Cap of +25 to the armor buff ... is it right?

I only want to discuss one change in the DEV update.

How will the Armor de-stack update affect your ability to beat some missions such as DoA and RoT in Hard Mode? Will the standard DoA team build be possible anymore with the OF Tank build null and void?

I can think of a few Tactics builds I use. Combinations that have Watch Yourself, Shields Up, Disciplined Stance, Stand your Ground and Dolyak Signet just to name a few skills will no longer be viable stack options anymore.

Was Armor stacking that abusive in PvP and GvG?

Its meant to make DoA harder? (I really hope not)

I am not a PvP player, so I don't think I can offer a great view of PvP, but I don't imagine it's very helpful in PvP, because it takes so long to get your armor up that high, and obviously the other team would switch targets.

They better make DoA easier then (which I don't think they needed to anyway, but with this they will)

What? DoA actually been hard?!? We can't have that! Those 'elite' PvEers in there might actually have to work for there next FoW armour as they rake in the next batch of Titan Gemstones.

I really can't see how it will make that much of a difference. Stoneflesh isn't armour, bonds aren't armour.

At a wild guess with regards to PvP usage, it was probably down to Paraway again chaining Stand your ground and perma Watch Yourself.

I thought DoA was just fine before. (I wish some areas didn't take as long as they do, but thats okay)

Well, Dolyak and Armor of Earth were kinda needed for the OF tank.

Like I posted in the Dev Update Thread, this cap to armor buffs at 25 is retarded. It was included to reduce the effectiveness of Earth Ele Tanks in PVP but it breaks way more skills than it fixes.

My last remaining Paragon build is now ruined and one of my favorite Warrior team pve builds is now broken as well. Thanks Anet for fixing something that wasn't broken. Can you please, please, please go just one skill update without forcing me to find a new build for my Paragon? Please? I play primarily PvE and I don't deserve this kind of abuse.

this is very typical of anet: they go into obs mode and look at whatever is the flavor-of-the-week, and nerf it, not realizing that these skills are not only useful but very much needed in totally different aspects of the game (ie, high-end pve)

This was one of the better posts on the subject in the Dev update so I added it here.

Dear ANET you seriously need to rethink this change.

PvP kills the PvE star again.. Not a rant against PvP just a fact of life.

I'm pretty sure that was meant to take out paragon chant/shouts.

From all the complaints I think they'll end up taking this out or modding it.

I think maybe they should change it to just shouts/chants since they cant be removed like enchants can. Or to reword it, instead of shout/chant, any non removable skills. Dont let those stack. Enchants are ok imo.

I don't understand why they couldn't just up the adrenaline on Watch Yourself! or give it like a 5 second recharge to avoid the constant uptime. Either that or... those terratanks? Balance changes are made because of RA griefers now?

I suggested a simple suggestion that was to nerf stand your ground to 18 ar and watch yourself by -2 or so per rank. Even better, make the armor gain from Stand your ground scale like it does for watch yourself.

I dont think any other armor gain skills were 'abused' in PVP. RA and AB dont count.

apparently so -- since obs mode is so easy to see what's currently en vogue in any pvp arena, the nerfs follow.

And Anet has sunk to another low in terms of trying to engineer a metagame: instituting hard caps/ceilings on things like armor boosts and soul reaping, rather than adjusting skills in terms of amount/duration/energy or adren cost, etc. Getting very lazy.

I think its a good change, they just need to tweak some mobs' damage to compensate a bit in balanced teams

Another move by anet that makes me wonder what is going on over there.

Its something like:

guy #1-"Ppl are still complaining that farmers get things faster than non-farmers."

guy #2-" Those armor buffs in PvP make games really last long and getting boring."

guy #3-"Brilliant idea!!!! Why not cap AL, say its because PvP (and we arent lying) and make farming/elite area farming harder, so we level the community more?!"

IAS is capped
regen is capped (with spillover)
Degen is capped (with spillover)

now armor buffs are capped.

anyone remember if inscreased movement speed is capped...i cant quite remember.

While i think +25 is friggin low for a cap, i think a hard cap isnt too unreasonable, given that other mechanics are capped already.

Increased movement is capped at 33% I think.

Yeah the Armor Stacking Nerf makes NO SINCE whatsoever. ANET is out to Kill Solo Farming. Gaile always says this is not true but truth is in action. And the only thing I see coming down the Nerf Wagon are Nerf's to solo farming.

Movement Snares are also capped (at 50% I think)

The armor cap IS pretty silly, especially for War & Par trying to protect their team. But most of the changes are great.

I think decreased movement should be capped at 66%. The 90% slower is insane.

Why doesn't anet just go ahead and make it impossible to leave a town without a full party already?