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Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

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17 Jun 2007 at 17:21 - 161

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

This reminds me of when Survivor first was put into the game and 100% of everyone's original main characters were screwed over without the chance of getting it since they didn't know beforehand their deaths would be held against them. Anet didn't do anything to stop screwing over those beloved original characters and give them an equal opportunity at earning Survivor. I don't see why Faction amber/jade traders should get more special treatment than Survivor title seekers who never had a chance to get Survivor on their old main character.

because survivor is still just a title that grants no benefits? because dying vs not dying isn't a choice, but rather a matter of well well you play?

and samurai, its still an abandonment of the original concept of guildwars...

edit: not that I'm saying I wouldn't like to see survivor changed so its just x amount of xp gained in a row without dying, but I give more precedence to the faction skill issue

Lonesamurai

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Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

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17 Jun 2007 at 17:50 - 162

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Originally Posted by Miral

and samurai, its still an abandonment of the original concept of guildwars...

not at all as the original exclamation of "skill over time spent" was meant for PvP, although it slightly failed (slightly?) due to the grinding for skill aquisition

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

17 Jun 2007 at 18:10 - 163

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Originally Posted by Miral

because dying vs not dying isn't a choice, but rather a matter of well well you play?

It wasn't an informed choice to not die before the Survivor title was put into the game. Many many characters would have made sure to have not died if they knew their deaths would be held against them in the future.

The complaint of amber and jade traders that they did not get to make an informed choice is no more valid than the exact same complaint from people who had no chance to get Survivor on their main character.

For Anet to cave to one of these complaintant groups yet not the other would be grossly unequitable. Since Survivor has been an outstanding issue for longer, the only equitable thing to do would be to fix that one first. Otherwise, leave them both as is.

Miral

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17 Jun 2007 at 18:15 - 164

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

not at all as the original exclamation of "skill over time spent" was meant for PvP, although it slightly failed (slightly?) due to the grinding for skill aquisition

not just for pvp. a core selling point of guildwars was ability to see all content without grinding

The Hand Of Death

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Cavalon

The Last Pirates (SaVY)

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17 Jun 2007 at 18:16 - 165

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

/unsigned

We got anywhere up to 5-6 plat for each of those amber/jade chunks back in the day, whereas the people (at least the vast majority that weren't in town owning guilds) that opted to put that faction to their title got nothing except the title itself.

If you want retroactive titles for amber earn't, then anet would need to give at least 1kgc per 1k faction donated prior to the change to make it fair.

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Ok, so what about all the people who put money into jade/amber AFTER they stopped being 5-6 plat. I know when I first got factions amber was at 4k and jade was at 3.5k or something like that and I joined an FF guild, got my title and left. At that time jade/amber were around 500g, do you think it is fair that I don't get the rewards of the title, while you still get the 1k for every 1k faction turned in even when I wasn't trading it in for jade at the time it was really expensive? Your idea screws over all the people who came late.

Sal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

PWN

Mo/E

17 Jun 2007 at 18:39 - 166

I fail to see how the title bearers can't understand the injustice of this update. It's really very simple , it all comes down to a choice that each player had to make while working their way through the factions campaign.

A. Spend faction earned on a title

B. Spend faction earned on rare materials

Players that choose to spend faction on the title were aiming for a reward of wearing a title.

Players that chose to spend faction for rare materials were aiming for a reward of gold or armor.

Both choices were made with full knowledge of what the reward was , either the prestige of wearing the title , or the prestige of having gold or prefered armor.

If the players that chose to spend faction earned on a title somehow feel they got less , then they made the wrong choice to begin with. Now that they received new skills for the title , they seem to think that it's their just reward.

Does this not degrade their choice in the first place ?

Look at me , I have a cool title

Look at me , I have new shiny armor

Get it ?

Skills are for everyone , Anet should get it right and change the aquisition of the skills , period.

greenthumb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

17 Jun 2007 at 18:52 - 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

It wasn't an informed choice to not die before the Survivor title was put into the game. Many many characters would have made sure to have not died if they knew their deaths would be held against them in the future.

The complaint of amber and jade traders that they did not get to make an informed choice is no more valid than the exact same complaint from people who had no chance to get Survivor on their main character.

For Anet to cave to one of these complaintant groups yet not the other would be grossly unequitable. Since Survivor has been an outstanding issue for longer, the only equitable thing to do would be to fix that one first. Otherwise, leave them both as is.

There's a certain analogy there in comparing the two. Perhaps Survivor could've been implemented another way....personally, when it first came out, I first thought it was a consecutive period of experience without dying, but we know that's not the case. The survivor titles were designed with another concept in mind. For some, it's a shame that's the case. (Perhaps when the title came out, they could've wiped the slate of deaths clean.)

That's still a different matter. Why does the same injustice need to occur here then? Why does one injustice somehow justify another which could probably be addressed by ANet?

In this specific case, for the Luxon/Kurzick skills, the system does keep track of faction earned. Is there some inherent unfairness if faction earned was taken into account, or perhaps some other mechanism was used instead? Is there an argument that it is somehow fair to base these "out-of-the-blue", unexpected Luxon-Kurzick skills off those Alliance titles?

It is an unexpected windfall. No one deserves it. How should it be apportioned out?

The fairest thing would actually be a new title.

Even if effectiveness of the Luxon/Kurzick skills was based off of those Alliance titles, is there any reason why eligibility to acquire the Luxon/Kurzick skills shouldn't be relaxed to something less restrictive than rank 1 of those Alliance titles? E.g., faction earned or completion of those 10K Befriending the Luxons/Kurzick quests?

Miral

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17 Jun 2007 at 19:27 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal

I fail to see how the title bearers can't understand the injustice of this update. It's really very simple , it all comes down to a choice that each player had to make while working their way through the factions campaign.

A. Spend faction earned on a title

B. Spend faction earned on rare materials

Players that choose to spend faction on the title were aiming for a reward of wearing a title.

Players that chose to spend faction for rare materials were aiming for a reward of gold or armor.

Both choices were made with full knowledge of what the reward was , either the prestige of wearing the title , or the prestige of having gold or prefered armor.

If the players that chose to spend faction earned on a title somehow feel they got less , then they made the wrong choice to begin with. Now that they received new skills for the title , they seem to think that it's their just reward.

Does this not degrade their choice in the first place ?

Look at me , I have a cool title

Look at me , I have new shiny armor

Get it ?

Skills are for everyone , Anet should get it right and change the aquisition of the skills , period.

the thing people dont seem to udnerstand is that we're not asking to wear their title. we just want the PvE skills in full capacity.

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

17 Jun 2007 at 20:46 - 169

You can STILL get the titles. Stop whining. Go get faction. The skills arent even that great....I dont understand why people want them so much. They really dissapointed me with the pve skills. The people who dont have the titles yet are NOT losing ANYTHING. Gaining pve only skills is not a competition. They do not give any advantage over anyone. There are plenty of skills to use until you get the titles if you want them. Why do people have an obsession about obtaining every single little thing in the game? You dont need every title in the game, you dont need every pve only skill in the game, you dont need every armor, or every whatever. Anet puts things in as options. If you do want to get everything in the game then work for it. Dont expect it to be handed to you.

If they want to make the SKILLS ONLY retroactive thats fine. But DONT touch the titles.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

17 Jun 2007 at 21:15 - 170

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

You can STILL get the titles. Stop whining. Go get faction. The skills arent even that great....I dont understand why people want them so much. They really dissapointed me with the pve skills. The people who dont have the titles yet are NOT losing ANYTHING. Gaining pve only skills is not a competition. They do not give any advantage over anyone. There are plenty of skills to use until you get the titles if you want them. Why do people have an obsession about obtaining every single little thing in the game? You dont need every title in the game, you dont need every pve only skill in the game, you dont need every armor, or every whatever. Anet puts things in as options. If you do want to get everything in the game then work for it. Dont expect it to be handed to you.

If they want to make the SKILLS ONLY retroactive thats fine. But DONT touch the titles.

I think I get it. Nothing is important, no one needs anything, there's no competition. But when your title is threatened all hell breaks loose. Yep, it's all perfectly clear to me now.

Miral

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17 Jun 2007 at 21:15 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

If they want to make the SKILLS ONLY retroactive thats fine. But DONT touch the titles.

thats 110% fine with me. make it so you can get the skills with some degree of power WITHOUT grinding, and all is well. you can keep your titles, armor people can keep their jade/amber, and everyone has equal access to the skills. that's all I'm asking for, equality. i save the lives of everyone in cantha, do it really efficiently to get rid of shiro for good, and then they STILL want me to farm 10,000,000 faction to get ONE semi-powerful skill *rolls eyes*

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

17 Jun 2007 at 21:25 - 172

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Originally Posted by Gli

I think I get it. Nothing is important, no one needs anything, there's no competition. But when your title is threatened all hell breaks loose. Yep, it's all perfectly clear to me now.

No you didnt get it. What I said is that people are complaining because they chose to go one way but now they want both ways. And by doing that they screw over the people that chose the other way. It is still possible to get the titles. It doesnt take as long as you think. You pick one or the other (pre-update I'm talking about) and now people are whining that they want both because "OMG I NEEDZ TEH PVE ONLY SKILLZ NOW NOW NOW!1!one!11!!!1!!"

Miral

Jungle Guide

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17 Jun 2007 at 21:30 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

No you didnt get it. What I said is that people are complaining because they chose to go one way but now they want both ways. And by doing that they screw over the people that chose the other way. It is still possible to get the titles. It doesnt take as long as you think. You pick one or the other (pre-update I'm talking about) and now people are whining that they want both because "OMG I NEEDZ TEH PVE ONLY SKILLZ NOW NOW NOW!1!one!11!!!1!!"

Wait... how exactly does it screw you over if I get two PvE skills that you said yourself aren't all that?

This whole ordeal sounds like side A wants the new content they've been denied, while side B just wants to either keep denying them the new content to grow their epeen for having something others don't, or are just arguing for the sake of arguing...

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

17 Jun 2007 at 21:43 - 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

And by doing that they screw over the people that chose the other way. It is still possible to get the titles. It doesnt take as long as you think. You pick one or the other (pre-update I'm talking about) and now people are whining that they want both because "OMG I NEEDZ TEH PVE ONLY SKILLZ NOW NOW NOW!1!one!11!!!1!!"

But if everyone gets the title today, you lose nothing. There's no competition, it's just a few letters beneath your name. Why would you care if everyone gets the title retroactively? How would you be screwed by what happens to people playing in different instances of the game? How does it help to post all-caps, infantile nonsense phrases?

And seriously, everytime someone traded in some faction since the update went live, I got screwed a little. It's still happening right now... I'm getting screwed as I'm typing this. Hundreds if not thousands of people are probably trading in faction for materials right now and getting title advancement. I'm not just being screwed, it's a goddamn gang-bang.

You being screwed is apparently something that's absolutely unacceptable, me being screwed is something I should just suck up and deal with. I absolutely do get it. Please, waste no more words on it.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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17 Jun 2007 at 22:22 - 175

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

/seconded

i never had any intention of getting the "friend of..." title, no, I have to get it to get these skills? (although are the skills nessecary? no, but its useful to have them)

Well, until the skills make it into the various cookie cutter elite mission builds. Then you either have them, or you don't get into pugs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

This reminds me of when Survivor first was put into the game and 100% of everyone's original main characters were screwed over without the chance of getting it since they didn't know beforehand their deaths would be held against them. Anet didn't do anything to stop screwing over those beloved original characters and give them an equal opportunity at earning Survivor. I don't see why Faction amber/jade traders should get more special treatment than Survivor title seekers who never had a chance to get Survivor on their old main character.

Yes the survivor title situation also sucks. However there are two differences here:

1 - The survivor title give no benefit to gameplay.
2 - Unlike the survivor title which couldn't be made retroactive due to a lack of data, the kurzick/luxon titles can be made retroactive if they were just made to use your faction earned amount (hover the faction bar) because they do have know number.

Matsumi

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

17 Jun 2007 at 22:46 - 176

Seems like a bad idea, but I'm sure the leeches from FA would gather together and rejoice. About 3/4 of the 1.5 mil faction I earned on my account went toward cashing in on rare materials and getting armors, the rest towards alliance. I'd say that's fair enough, I knew exactly what I was doing with it before the changes, and now there's a different optional goal in mind if I want to get back into AB and FA. That is, if I care to even play pve again with those new skills. The only reason I started dumping it into alliance is because I lost interest in pve and had no more use for gold much anymore. I still don't quite understand this whole debate really, does this mean that I now have a ton of free pve skills because of the title? Because I still had to go to the rewards guy and purchase the skills at 3k a pop in faction. Not like I'm really gonna use them anyway, and they're no good to me in AB or FA.

Sorry, guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

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17 Jun 2007 at 23:08 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matsumi

Sorry, guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

You will once you're influemced to post a whining rant about getting tino PvE groups because you lack the specific skills. For your own god, start seeing what the fuss is about.

Pwny Ride

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17 Jun 2007 at 23:09 - 178

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matsumi

Sorry, guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

You will once you're influemced to post a whining rant about getting into PvE groups because you lack the specific skills. For your own good, start seeing what the fuss is about.

EDIT: oops! double post, my PC net lagged up >_<

Miral

Jungle Guide

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17 Jun 2007 at 23:11 - 179

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matsumi

Seems like a bad idea, but I'm sure the leeches from FA would gather together and rejoice. About 3/4 of the 1.5 mil faction I earned on my account went toward cashing in on rare materials and getting armors, the rest towards alliance. I'd say that's fair enough, I knew exactly what I was doing with it before the changes, and now there's a different optional goal in mind if I want to get back into AB and FA. That is, if I care to even play pve again with those new skills. The only reason I started dumping it into alliance is because I lost interest in pve and had no more use for gold much anymore. I still don't quite understand this whole debate really, does this mean that I now have a ton of free pve skills because of the title? Because I still had to go to the rewards guy and purchase the skills at 3k a pop in faction. Not like I'm really gonna use them anyway, and they're no good to me in AB or FA.

Sorry, guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

Nope as a PvP player I don't think you would... lol... just kinda continues to prove the point actually, rewarding the pve skills for a primarily pvp (and also indirect pvp) title... while people going for mostly pve goals for the past year miss out on the new pve skills...

Niila

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

17 Jun 2007 at 23:28 - 180

Very good arguments here, but people, don't forget this thing:

# Exchanging faction points for amber or jade now gives progress toward these titles.

This is what made me thinking this change in the first place. If rare materials count now towards the title, why should not the ones we bought in the past count towards it?

Matsumi

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

17 Jun 2007 at 23:45 - 181

Oh ok, had to look at the updates page. Didn't know they got more powerful depending on your rank in the title. Yea, I guess that would kind of suck, but at least everything you do now even blessings from the shrine count towards the title.

The Hand Of Death

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Cavalon

The Last Pirates (SaVY)

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18 Jun 2007 at 00:11 - 182

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

No you didnt get it. What I said is that people are complaining because they chose to go one way but now they want both ways. And by doing that they screw over the people that chose the other way. It is still possible to get the titles. It doesnt take as long as you think. You pick one or the other (pre-update I'm talking about) and now people are whining that they want both because "OMG I NEEDZ TEH PVE ONLY SKILLZ NOW NOW NOW!1!one!11!!!1!!"

How does it screw you guys over? Because for all the people who spent it on jade/amber before are going to take title points away from you? You will still have the title. I forget who it was, but wasn't it you who said that it was our selfish decision to choose jade/amber. Well isn't it your selfish decision to make people who should have the title with the new update not to have it because you want your title to feel more special?

The Hand Of Death

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Cavalon

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18 Jun 2007 at 00:16 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

This reminds me of when Survivor first was put into the game and 100% of everyone's original main characters were screwed over without the chance of getting it since they didn't know beforehand their deaths would be held against them. Anet didn't do anything to stop screwing over those beloved original characters and give them an equal opportunity at earning Survivor. I don't see why Faction amber/jade traders should get more special treatment than Survivor title seekers who never had a chance to get Survivor on their old main character.

There are two differences between the survivor title and the friend titles. The first is that the survivor title doesn't affect anything while the rank in the friend titles effects how useful the pve skills are. The second is that how many people got screwed over because of the survivor title introduction? My best guessdamate would be mostly everyone meaning everyone was still put on a level playing area; they all had to start new characters to get the survivor title. The friend title is different because all the FFers got the title by FFing while the people who weren't in FF guilds decided to use it on themselves and now don't get the benefits.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

18 Jun 2007 at 00:31 - 184

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

Miral

Jungle Guide

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18 Jun 2007 at 00:42 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Al

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

because they can't do one thing they shouldn't do another? are you listening to yourself? oy. thats like saying because the US government can't catch every pot smoker, they shouldn't arrest people for burglary...

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

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18 Jun 2007 at 00:46 - 186

There was a suggestion to make the allegiance skills based on the prot of cantha title instead (can't be bothered to quote), if you want it like that, then the sunspear skills should be tied to prot of elona, to even it out (reasoning: it takes more skill to complete prot of elona than grinding to max the sunspear title).

The Hand Of Death

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Cavalon

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18 Jun 2007 at 00:55 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Al

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

Because all the people who either got jade/amber or put it into their alliance got the points for monster killing...

Miral

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18 Jun 2007 at 01:03 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

There was a suggestion to make the allegiance skills based on the prot of cantha title instead (can't be bothered to quote), if you want it like that, then the sunspear skills should be tied to prot of elona, to even it out (reasoning: it takes more skill to complete prot of elona than grinding to max the sunspear title).

that was my suggestion... and either way is fine by me. im rank 8 sunspear and have protector of elona, both are fairly painless and actually fun to acquire, no grinding needed for either...

Neo Nugget

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18 Jun 2007 at 01:09 - 189

Has Gaile or anyone posted regarding this topic? And i wish the blessing would have as many points as sunspear, Maybe more because the total faction for the title is quite a bit more than the sunspear title. I just want Something besides ab(losing isnt a very good way to get faction), Faction farming(repetitive but much better than ab for getting faction). what i hear is it is around 4k-5k for killing an entire area and that seems like it would take longer to get than AB.

I really dont see how this hurts the people that oppose this idea. Does it really hurt them?They will have everything that we will have.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

18 Jun 2007 at 02:06 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

because they can't do one thing they shouldn't do another? are you listening to yourself? oy. thats like saying because the US government can't catch every pot smoker, they shouldn't arrest people for burglary...

There's a difference between people getting caught for doing something illegal, and a group of FFFers getting a nice handful of faction because they farmed for amber, while people who just went out and killed monsters don't get the faction that the amber traders 'deserve'.

IMO, it shouldn't be retroactive to either group. If you traded the faction in for amber, then you got what you wanted - you chose amber over advancing your title track (even though it would have been nice if there was a hint that this track would count towards a title - we knew that there were going to be SS skills.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

18 Jun 2007 at 02:30 - 191

Yeah tbh i'm more annoyed that these Kurzick/Luxon skills came literally out of the blue...

It would've been nice if Gaile did something RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing useful and told us we were getting skills linked to the title. So much faction wasted on Amber that i don't even use when i could've got a nice buffer for my Kurzick Allegience title.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

18 Jun 2007 at 04:07 - 192

It really was a surprise...we knew we were getting the sunspear one, hell, we even knew that during the double sunspear weekend. I got my LB up to r6, I was pretty sure that gaile said that there would be a new LB skill, but no big deal....but yeah, in the future it'd be nice to know what title tracks to work on. There was really no point to ever work on these titles before.

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

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18 Jun 2007 at 04:21 - 193

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Al

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

Nice logic there. I wont even try to understand it but ill make one thing clear to you.

Faction on an account is TRACKED.
They have a ~ 'you have earned xxxx amount of xxxxx faction on this account'.

Monster kills are NOT tracked, and the data can not be recalled, and i even doubt it was stored.

This can be done, im sure. Maybe not easily but it can. Formula may be~

Total Faction Accumulated - Faction advancement in title = leftover faction traded for materials.

THEN

leftover faction traded for materials + Faction advancement in title = a fix.

Div

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18 Jun 2007 at 04:26 - 194

/signed

Yeah, the allegiance track should just be based on how much we've farmed so far, and forget the whole double counting for buying skills...

Niila

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

18 Jun 2007 at 09:21 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Nice logic there. I wont even try to understand it but ill make one thing clear to you.

Faction on an account is TRACKED.
They have a ~ 'you have earned xxxx amount of xxxxx faction on this account'.

Monster kills are NOT tracked, and the data can not be recalled, and i even doubt it was stored.

This can be done, im sure. Maybe not easily but it can. Formula may be~

Total Faction Accumulated - Faction advancement in title = leftover faction traded for materials.

THEN

leftover faction traded for materials + Faction advancement in title = a fix.

Or to make it more simple, just make the amount it shows in faction bar to alliance title track.

watrah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Dynasty Warrior

N/Me

18 Jun 2007 at 10:26 - 196

/unsigned

ok let me get this right so you spend your factions o get amber/jade for money and armor and Anet have give you additional bonus to help you with title track and still u are not happy about it and you want more. What about those who spend the factions in there title didn't they deserve something like jade/amber for there hard work or you just went for 1 side where you belong to and skip the other side

For me Anet should take out this because it is unfair if you want jade/amber/scroll you shouldn't get any bonus for the title because u choose the money over loyalty to you luxon/kurzk alliance so you can only get rank by only donat and that what I think it is the right thing to do

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

18 Jun 2007 at 10:56 - 197

Quote:

Originally Posted by watrah

/unsigned

ok let me get this right so you spend your factions o get amber/jade for money and armor and Anet have give you additional bonus to help you with title track and still u are not happy about it and you want more. What about those who spend the factions in there title didn't they deserve something like jade/amber for there hard work or you just went for 1 side where you belong to and skip the other side

For me Anet should take out this because it is unfair if you want jade/amber/scroll you shouldn't get any bonus for the title because u choose the money over loyalty to you luxon/kurzk alliance so you can only get rank by only donat and that what I think it is the right thing to do

And what good would donating the faction to my alliance of done when we don't have anywhere enough people farming the faction to ever have a hope of holding a town ?

So since it does nothing, I've got a choice between a meaningless title or some gold. So why should I of gone for the title ?

And for the people in the town holding alliances, they can make gold from reselling from the discount merchants.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

18 Jun 2007 at 11:08 - 198

Because maybe in the future titles are gonna mean something, now u say survivor is worthless, but maybe it will change in GWEN or GW2, and maybe all titles u want to benefit from should be on one person. etc etc. Retroactivity may be an option, but then also give amber or jade to the ones that went for the title instead. It will not yield as much money as before, but hey it is at least something to compensate for the simple title gain others got for just farming materials.

Alternatively the scales could be changed, say 5-10 miljon for the max title, and only 2 or 2.5 for tier eleven 500-750k for tier 10. In this way people can make relatively fast high levels becoming effective soon on, as with sunspear levels, while maxing it will still take the old grind.

Kratos Angel

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

France

Me/

18 Jun 2007 at 11:18 - 199

/notsigned
The title has became much easier to do, you can now progress your title when transfering to your guild, when you buy amber or jade, when you buy skills etc... It now works for the title track, wtf do you want ? You want to be R10 kurzick/luxon with playing 2 or 3 ab ?? No really
/notsigned, definitely

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

18 Jun 2007 at 11:21 - 200

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niila

Or to make it more simple, just make the amount it shows in faction bar to alliance title track.

Yea i was explaining a formula used to work it out...