Retroactive Luxon/Kurzick allegiance title track?

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Really there is NO REASON why ANet cannot do this. If they think getting jade should mean you get a faction boost now then they should give the same rights to those people that spent it in the past.

If ANet do not want to support this motion, they should come here directly and say why. No one-off statements, debate it with us and PERSUADE us.

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I would be somewhere around 800k by now if the jades I got would have counted as well, and I'm on 480k on my title track, since our guild stopped faction farming in alliances, I did keep playing AB and earned jades instead since there was little point in donating it to the guild.

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The titles are prestige, they show that you've done lots of AB or whatever to get them. You've done just as much ab to get them even if the faction was donated to get jade/amber. Why should your play time be devalued because you opted to get amber. That's similar to not getting fame if you go to HA to get a Sigil...

P.S. Hey Lex and Takeko ^^

Perfect example, and can only agree to that. They chose to get money (amber/jadeite) instead of the title so now they have a small drawback. But you can always try to whine a biot to see if u can get things done the easy way.

I would only go back to the shop if they had a lowest price guarantee, but means usually at the same moment, not a week later ^^.

We all knew before this update that getting amber or jade as a reward was simply getting some amount of gold (or armor) in trade for our efforts rather than advancing a title track. It was fair in that way for those that made the choice one way or the other before this current change. There's no reason now to make it retroactive. We're all going forward under a new set of rules in the way faction spending works.

Edit: I hadnt seen GodofAcid's post. I agree with that. Exactly what I was saying.

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My guild was never a faction farming guild going for control of a town, so I always spent my faction on amber and jade. I've only donated a total of 5k faction, so it's kinda sad looking at the tiny title bar compared to all the Faction I have actually earned.

It would be nice to see previous transfers for materials counted towards the title, and reworking the title track so it uses the total faction earned figure would appear to be the best way, as Loki says.

We did not all CHOOSE to get amber for money. Some people didn't have a guild or an alliance. And why should people be punished for not being interested in titles that had no meaning for them? I also recall giving tips for ferries to the deep/urgoz... so it's not as if those people made no money from their choices either.

And this is not a matter of not saving a few bucks. When you're buying something, you know that prices can change. You don't know how they will change, but you know they will. Anet gave us no hint whatsoever that skills were going to be tied to titles over a year later. There was no reason to expect this. To make up the difference, we have to grind for weeks. And there's no good reason for any of that.

This is a game. It's meant to be fun. Buying things isn't about having fun.

Edit: IMHO, I think that having the first rank of the title should give you these skills at max strength (no scaling). That way it would be relatively easy for casual players to accomplish, and reduce the sheer boredom of having to grind multiple titles to make skills effective. It would also preserve the nature of the title for those faction farming for it.

I really don't like where this is heading. Sure, have your fow armor and tormented weapons and grind titles. But now grinding gives you an advantage over others? The LB skills were bad enough, but they're only useful in a few places, and still not as much of a grind to make effective. This is worse than rank elitism in HA. Rank doesn't actually make your skills better...

I think them before the update that got amber/jade should get it back for there title as long as they give the gold they made from the amber/jade so it would be far for the ones who put in faction in there guild for the title the one who was not in it to make money from it as i know someone in my last guild who has 6 mil faction they put in the guild they could off got amber/jade and made a killing but they did it for the title not the money

they are now giving some points for exchanging for amber, all we ask is for the people that previously exchanged for amber to get our fair end of the deal.

I was JUST about to make this thread too.

Please make this happen A-NET, I wasted so much faction on amber.

No you dont. 130k faction is pretty easy to get.

Now that's just lazy. Most people are going to spend the faction to get to 100k and get the skills(s) they want and just be done with it. That is the casual level. The skills work at level one. Bringing them beyond level 1 is a reward for continuing on the title track.

Its not an advantage over another player if its not in PvP. You dont need a max LB to play in HM. Rank elitism in HA is still far worse a problem imho since its actually discriminatory and discourages newer or less experienced players from entering PvP and keeping that side of the game play vital.

discounted lockpicks seem like the only worthwhile perk for owning an outpost. but most guilds that own a town would require members to donate at least 5k per day, so they can hold it. now would you rather donate faction for the alliance and get 1200g picks, or exchange faction for passage scrolls/amber/jade then sell them for gold and still get to advance the title?

its good enough now that trading for materials and scrolls add points to the luxon/kurz title. a title which was previously only for those who donate alot for their alliance. the faction used for amber/jade is also not wasted... it was used to buy armor or sold for profit.

also i think anet doesnt have any records or kept track on the amount of faction traded for amber/jade. if they did then those who did would already have high rank titles. its the same thing last time, when titles were first introduced. the game didnt keep track of opened chests, identified rares...

the titles that were granted retroactively last time were those that were recorded on your current character such as the
- number of capped skills through your skills list
- map cartography via revealead area on the map
- completed missions
- /deaths. you get survivor if your character has 0 at that time.

-mouseover on faction screen showing how much you have earned

Well excuse me, but you don't have a effing clue how much time other people get to spend on the game.

Get up on the wrong side of something did we?

Neither I nor Andisa Kalorn made any actual quantification of time. Andisa said "we have to grind for weeks" which makes no specific claim on time actually played (15 minutes a day for weeks? 3 hours a day for weeks?) but simply brings with it the implications of a nearly insurmountable task more akin to other titles we're all aware of needing large amounts of time investment. It is all relative. I merely took the other side of a general statement like that and said no, its not that large a hurdle all things considered, compared to other things we are asked to do in game for the completion of some titles or goals we seek.

that would make so many players close to saviours of luxons! :O still i think its fair for those who [before the update] chose to aid their alliance rather than use it for their own benefit.

Easy to get if you can spend your whole day farming it... In HM you get 10 faction per kill, and 250 per boss max. That's only slightly higher than the points for sunspear. And there's no wurms. And the first level of the title is twice the max sunspear level. Even farming sunspear points sometimes strains my patience... it takes a while because I can't do it constantly.

Lazy? You know what's really lazy? Just buying a skill from a skill trainer. Or getting one from a quest. Or capping an elite from a boss right outside the door. That's just crazy. And then only having to reach level 20 to get skills at their highest attribute? Maybe we should have 100+ levels instead, then those lazy people wouldn't be maxing their attributes so easily.

Well then. I guess we should have fow armor have +20 armor from normal armor too. I mean, it's not like it affects your current armor, and it doesn't give you an advantage over anyone else because it's not pvp, right? And while we're at it, let's have tormented weapons do more damage than those collector items that lazy people use.

I guess people just want a game where you have to grind to be equal to other players. That's not the kind of game gw used to be, and it's not the kind of game I want to play.

Ok, let me get this straight: in the good ol' days, the righteous gave away their faction and in the process accrued a title, whereas the greedy spent their faction on loot, which didn't give them a title. Fair enough.

Now, the righteous can still act righteously (so are neither advantaged or disdvantaged) but now the greedy can act greedily and still get their loot and a title as well (advantage the greedy, congratulations to you).

But the greedy are so phenomenally greedy, that they want this new advantage applied retrospectively, and are whimpering that otherwise this in unfair and unjust?

That's the argument really isn't it, or am I missing something? Because you lot look pretty pompous and grasping from where I'm sitting.

What fair end? The deal was clear when u exchanged faction for amber, no rewards toward the title track and u gain materials and money. Nothing up to this point is UNFAIR. Now u get a change of rules that allow u to get it both ways, thats a plus for amber guys, and i might start collecting it as well as now, as the title is the only interesting thing. Owning a town is a long time ago for our alliance, and it is not soon to return.

You didnt really wast it, you exchanged if for materials u either sold or used for special armor.

People should just stop whining here. There is no reason to give it retroactively. Or do i get my 920 jadeite which i missed out on too?