Is the maximum Faction Title count of 10 million points too high?
My answer would be Yes.
If you won every Alliance Battle you fought and got the 1250 pt bonus, you would have to....
1)Play and Win 8000 matches.
2)Playing 2667 hours with an average of 20 minutes per match.
3)Playing an average of 8 hours a day for 333 days.
Can I say "Full Time Job"?
Even with the added Blessing of the Luxons/Kurziks and buying Factions skills at 6k each, it would still take an enormous amount of time. The release for Eye on the North is scheduled before the end of the year, and the release for GW2 less than a year later. Who would have the time to finish this title before it becomes obsolete?
This title track might work if they were to seriously increase the Faction points awarded in Alliance Battles.
Max Faction Title Too High?
TSWatson1974
Series
I think the faction title should be butchered until it is reasonable to obtain max.
Splatter Mcnasty
/Agree whole-heartedly
Its WAY too F-ing high.
Not only that, but it would have been nice to know we were getting Factions PVE-only skills earlier, so that we could at least work on gaining some beforehand...
Its WAY too F-ing high.
Not only that, but it would have been nice to know we were getting Factions PVE-only skills earlier, so that we could at least work on gaining some beforehand...
seut
Leave the title max where it is, but max out the skills at rank5.
JGaff
I know the few people who might have reached the top will bitch, so Anet should throw them a bone before adjusting the system. I mean playing should be fun/rewarding on a more consistent basis (A Year of playing? For what Gain? An extra 40 damage on My Kurzick/Luxon skills. Woot!)
Edit: Seut's idea is probably better. Leave the title as is, but reduce the tiers to get full damage from skills. I'd satisfy most complaints methinks.
Edit: Seut's idea is probably better. Leave the title as is, but reduce the tiers to get full damage from skills. I'd satisfy most complaints methinks.
icymanipulator
!0 million is an exorbitant amount even when compared to the lofty goals of the Luck title. Doubling the donated amount is a step in the right direction considering in reality you only need 5 million to max it out. Not that 5 million of anything is a huge amount of grinding or anything.... 
You aren't going to see a massive change because the elite club of R10+ folks will bitch to high hell over cheapening the title.
You aren't going to see a massive change because the elite club of R10+ folks will bitch to high hell over cheapening the title.
Series
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Originally Posted by seut
Leave the title max where it is, but max out the skills at rank5.
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HawkofStorms
Now that you get double faction towards the title by contributing to your guild, its significantly easier to get the max title.
It's supposed to be godly high (because there are many people who FF almost non-stop)
/notsigned
Why do you want the title so badly? KoaBD? There are other eaiser to obtain titles. Do you want it to show off? Well if you make it too easy to get, then everybody will have it and it won't be that much of an acomplishment anymore (sort of like max sunspear).
It's supposed to be godly high (because there are many people who FF almost non-stop)
/notsigned
Why do you want the title so badly? KoaBD? There are other eaiser to obtain titles. Do you want it to show off? Well if you make it too easy to get, then everybody will have it and it won't be that much of an acomplishment anymore (sort of like max sunspear).
Splatter Mcnasty
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Now that you get double faction towards the title by contributing to your guild, its significantly easier to get the max title.
It's supposed to be godly high (because there are many people who FF almost non-stop) /notsigned Why do you want the title so badly? KoaBD? There are other eaiser to obtain titles. Do you want it to show off? Well if you make it too easy to get, then everybody will have it and it won't be that much of an acomplishment anymore (sort of like max sunspear). |
I do like Seut's suggestion too.
Onarik Amrak
5 million faction is still very high...
It seemed too high when Factions came out... it still seems too high today.
It seemed too high when Factions came out... it still seems too high today.
Yaga Philipe
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Originally Posted by seut
Leave the title max where it is, but max out the skills at rank5.
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icymanipulator
I guess if the necro or mesmer faction skills were worth a damn I'd care enough to spend the countless days farming out this title. As is its some lame optional content I don't see myself farming unless I get bored of PuGing elite missions. To each his/her own in GW I just can't understand the desire to FFF or AB out millions of faction points. If you actually did this then my hats off to you its a hell of an accomplishment...but in the grand scheme of things its inconsequential and unless you really enjoyed the repetitive behavior a tremendous waste of time. There are infinitely easier ways to reach KoaBD among other things. Cartography is a joy compared to this.
NeHoMaR
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Originally Posted by seut
Leave the title max where it is, but max out the skills at rank5.
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Navaros
Absolutely 5 million faction is way too high.
It should be 1 million faction tops to max the PVE skills. Although 500 000 to max the PVE skills would also be perfectly reasonable.
It should be 1 million faction tops to max the PVE skills. Although 500 000 to max the PVE skills would also be perfectly reasonable.
bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Now that you get double faction towards the title by contributing to your guild, its significantly easier to get the max title.
It's supposed to be godly high (because there are many people who FF almost non-stop) |
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I'd probably make completing the befriending quest the requirement for getting the skills for each character.
MMSDome
nope not at all, ive seen some people with the max title so that means it is obtainable. Not everything in the game is supposed to be easy to get, work for it guys!
icymanipulator
The skills don't need to be linked to titles bilateralrope its just an attempt to get more people interested in Factions. Whats surprising to me is that unlike Lightbringer there is no inherent benefit towards association or wearing of the Sunspear title or the Faction titles. If on the other hand it did something to modify the character in PvE like LB does along with boosting the title skills it might be half way decent. Maybe give a bonus as a Kurzick to fighting monsters in the Jade Sea and vice versa...just something rather than a senseless multi-million point grind.
GloryFox
/agree
and I'm still pissed off about the 1,000,000 faction I received for playing the game for one year and none of it going towards the a rank 6 title I should rightfully have now.
and I'm still pissed off about the 1,000,000 faction I received for playing the game for one year and none of it going towards the a rank 6 title I should rightfully have now.
fenix
Well, if multiple players have gotten 10 million, then why can't you? Not like the PvE skills matter, they're still super over powered with a low title. Hell, they're garbage compared to the Sunspear ones anyway.
xshadowwolfx
Why can't we? The people who have maxed the title have really only done one thing since factions has come out, AB.
fenix
Now you only have to get 5 million faction to get the title (donating doubles it), and you can also farm the points in regular zones (and in HM for double points). So the title is MUCH easier to get. It's still slow, but it isn't meant to be fast...
Navaros
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Originally Posted by fenix
Now you only have to get 5 million faction to get the title (donating doubles it), and you can also farm the points in regular zones (and in HM for double points). So the title is MUCH easier to get. It's still slow, but it isn't meant to be fast...
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It has always been an easy title to get. The only hard thing about it is how many thousands of hours into repeating the same one task thousands/hundreds of thousands of times a player is willing to do.
Cutting the ludicrous grind to get it it in half still leaves a ludicrous amount of grind to get it. It needs a lot more cuts than just the half it's gotten.
It doesn't make sense to reward players with increased PVE strength soley for them having invested thousands of hours into grinding faction.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by TSWatson1974
Is the maximum Faction Title count 10 million points too high?
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PvE only skills, with grindable titles, are bad in my opinion. I'd prefer the title itself removed entirely from practical effect (along with SS and LB).
bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by fenix
Well, if multiple players have gotten 10 million, then why can't you?
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Originally Posted by fenix
Now you only have to get 5 million faction to get the title (donating doubles it), and you can also farm the points in regular zones (and in HM for double points). So the title is MUCH easier to get. It's still slow, but it isn't meant to be fast...
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The double rewards for donating only made the faction title quicker to obtain. It did nothing towards making it easier or harder.
The reason I hate grind based rewards is because they are basically say "You can do that task with no trouble. Now go do it several thousand more times before I reward you for it"
How is doing the same boring (because you can easily flawless it) task over and over again any fun ?
kazjun
Don't care about the title, though it is set too high. Respect if you've got it, but how many out of the entire GW population have maxed it? Hell, seen posts asking how to even get 10k and how that's too high for a primary quest.
Then again, it's no big deal. The only really useful skill is the warrior one, which keeps aggro on the warrior in the party. But since I only play with guildies or H/H nowadays, I don't really need it anyway. I might just go back to AB and finish off my R2 which I was about halfway to before I stopped caring, but R12? I got better things to do.
Then again, it's no big deal. The only really useful skill is the warrior one, which keeps aggro on the warrior in the party. But since I only play with guildies or H/H nowadays, I don't really need it anyway. I might just go back to AB and finish off my R2 which I was about halfway to before I stopped caring, but R12? I got better things to do.
darktyco
/agree whole heartedly. I know that even if someday I reach rank 1, that it will end there as I basically have no hope of ever getting higher than that
Dione Davore
There are more things that take incredibly long to max them.
Anyone tried to get max rank in HA/GvG/TA?
If you compare it with AB. AB is the easiest to max.
*Offcourse there will be people who now will reply with: Those others can't be maxed? Can't they?*
Greetings, Dione
Anyone tried to get max rank in HA/GvG/TA?
If you compare it with AB. AB is the easiest to max.
*Offcourse there will be people who now will reply with: Those others can't be maxed? Can't they?*
Greetings, Dione
darktyco
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Originally Posted by Dione Davore
There are more things that take incredibly long to max them.
Anyone tried to get max rank in HA/GvG/TA? If you compare it with AB. AB is the easiest to max. *Offcourse there will be people who now will reply with: Those others can't be maxed? Can't they?* Greetings, Dione |
Or rather: You don't get locked out of having certain PvE skills because you don't have ranks in those titles.
Dione Davore
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Originally Posted by darktyco
True, but you don't get any PvE skills based on those titles.
Or rather: You don't get locked out of having certain PvE skills because you don't have ranks in those titles. |
But if people wish to use these skills they should be free to do so. But they also need to be aware that everything costs time in GuildWars. Nothing comes for free, certainly now maxed titles.
TGgold
Frankly, I think even R1 of the title takes too long for most players to get to.
100k. Alright, so that's 5k I need to earn. That means 40 matches, at 20 minutes (most take longer since you ALWAYS have the timer reset), makes about 13 hours of nonstop playing in AB. R1 Sunspear takes about 15 seconds. Maybe it's just me, but r1 of a title should be something that can be gained through casual play, not grind. 13 hours of constant work at something is not goign to happen casually. And that's assuming you're winning.
This would lead to: More ranks in the title. This also means we could have the same scaling for the skills as we go now, but the skills can max at a lower faction-level, wheras the title can keep going afterwards (with no benefit to the skills).
OR: Allow access to the skills to level 20 characters with more faction in one faction than the other. Then, just add a "rank0" part in there.
100k. Alright, so that's 5k I need to earn. That means 40 matches, at 20 minutes (most take longer since you ALWAYS have the timer reset), makes about 13 hours of nonstop playing in AB. R1 Sunspear takes about 15 seconds. Maybe it's just me, but r1 of a title should be something that can be gained through casual play, not grind. 13 hours of constant work at something is not goign to happen casually. And that's assuming you're winning.
This would lead to: More ranks in the title. This also means we could have the same scaling for the skills as we go now, but the skills can max at a lower faction-level, wheras the title can keep going afterwards (with no benefit to the skills).
OR: Allow access to the skills to level 20 characters with more faction in one faction than the other. Then, just add a "rank0" part in there.
FalconDance
They are skills I will never have because I do not PvP in any form. No interest in it.
Did finish Factions, even have a girl with the Protector title, but that seems to count for absolutely nothing. Factions is about PvP, period. Sometimes I really do wonder why Anet bothered to put in any PvE content.
~Falcon
Did finish Factions, even have a girl with the Protector title, but that seems to count for absolutely nothing. Factions is about PvP, period. Sometimes I really do wonder why Anet bothered to put in any PvE content.
~Falcon
darktyco
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Originally Posted by Dione Davore
I don't feel locked out because I simply don't feel the need of having those new overpowered PvE-skills. I can do very well without them. (Added a screenshot, doesn't mean that much tho)
But if people wish to use these skills they should be free to do so. But they also need to be aware that everything costs time in GuildWars. Nothing comes for free, certainly now maxed titles. |
I also don't mind if skills take some time to acquire. I've never complained that I had to progress a character to Ember Light Camp for some of the skills there, or that I had to go on an expedition in the Shiverpeaks to cap an elite. As you say, everything takes time in Guild Wars. But 100,000 Faction points just to get the skills in their weakest form is over the top!
Dyeane
Cutting it down now would really piss off some very dedicated players. Granted, there are very few who are at/near the cap (my friend who was at 9 mil last time I checked only knows of one guy who's maxed it), but just because they are few doesn't mean that their hard work should be disregarded.
Patrick Smit
Why, they still have the title not?
Luxury like plasma screens are dropping in prices rapidly, should people be pissed of because they are much cheaper now? No, they enjoyed it before. Likewise would inflation of wages, i.e. services getting more expensive then in the past, cause resentment in users of that service at later timepoints? Nah, change is a fact of life.
Luxury like plasma screens are dropping in prices rapidly, should people be pissed of because they are much cheaper now? No, they enjoyed it before. Likewise would inflation of wages, i.e. services getting more expensive then in the past, cause resentment in users of that service at later timepoints? Nah, change is a fact of life.
VinnyRidira
I could care less about Titles, the only reason I did the sunspear bit was every promotion brought 2 hero skills and also the double xp was an incentive. Lightbringer the same with the added bonus of extra damage for each level gained. I never really bothered much about faction and priest blessings (which do not start at Shing Jea anyway as far as I can recall), so now I could get some PvE skills only if I had known. This is grossly unfair.
Ludo
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nope not at all, ive seen some people with the max title so that means it is obtainable. Not everything in the game is supposed to be easy to get, work for it guys!
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Easy is Sunspear. You get to rank 7, 8 if you do every quest, just by playing the game. Doing every faction quest in the game just barely breaks you above 10k. That's 1/10 the requirement for the first rank. No thanks. Big fail for Anet.
Patrick Smit
LB just brings u to rank 1 or maybe 2, so LB ranks are not ok too? I agree the faction required for kurzicks/luxons ranks is a bit silly, but maybe the sunspear rank is a bit off (read simple) too.
upier
Well the only players i know that have high ranks in those titles are the lovely Dwight from the German district and the lovely Zoc.
How did they get the title?
Simple - AFK-ing at Aspy!
See - there is a way.
A pretty simple way.
And as long as it's not wrong - Just do it!
Seriously - play to get some faction, once you get bored, jump to aspy and afk a few matches while you read up and bitch about on guru.
All the cool cats do it!
How did they get the title?
Simple - AFK-ing at Aspy!
See - there is a way.
A pretty simple way.
And as long as it's not wrong - Just do it!
Seriously - play to get some faction, once you get bored, jump to aspy and afk a few matches while you read up and bitch about on guru.
All the cool cats do it!
baz777
Rank 1: Kurzick/Luxon Supporter: 100,000 Faction spent
Rank 2: Friend of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 250,000 Faction spent
Rank 3: Companion of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 400,000 Faction spent
Rank 4: Ally of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 550,000 Faction spent
Rank 5: Sentinel of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 875,000 Faction spent
Rank 6: Steward of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 1,200,000 Faction spent
Rank 7: Defender of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 1,850,000 Faction spent
Rank 8: Warden of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 2,500,000 Faction spent
Rank 9: Bastion of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 3,750,000 Faction spent
Rank 10: Champion of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 5,000,000 Faction spent
Rank 11: Hero of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 7,500,000 Faction spent
Rank 12: Savior of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 10,000,000 Faction spent
Really can't see myself going beyond Rank 4 or 5
Rank 2: Friend of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 250,000 Faction spent
Rank 3: Companion of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 400,000 Faction spent
Rank 4: Ally of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 550,000 Faction spent
Rank 5: Sentinel of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 875,000 Faction spent
Rank 6: Steward of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 1,200,000 Faction spent
Rank 7: Defender of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 1,850,000 Faction spent
Rank 8: Warden of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 2,500,000 Faction spent
Rank 9: Bastion of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 3,750,000 Faction spent
Rank 10: Champion of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 5,000,000 Faction spent
Rank 11: Hero of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 7,500,000 Faction spent
Rank 12: Savior of the Kurzicks/Luxons: 10,000,000 Faction spent
Really can't see myself going beyond Rank 4 or 5
Div
Funny how no one was complaining about this until the new faction skills came out. No one requires you to get the max level to use those skills...
And this is after Anet made it more than twice as fast to get the max level.
If you're not going to work for it, then no one's forcing you to use those skills.
And this is after Anet made it more than twice as fast to get the max level.
If you're not going to work for it, then no one's forcing you to use those skills.