Max Faction Title Too High?

I think its funny A-Net implemented PvE skills which are only feasable through either large amounts of PvP grinding or a silly FFF run, which is niether enjoyable nor short for the goal intended. I understand that this title is account wide and so player who have max Sunspear on their monk have to do it all again on their warrior or elementalist, however I don't beleive that the amount of time you need to farm faction just to gain these PvE skills at a useful rank is justified.

Fair enough don't lessen the title as it cheapens it for those who actually had max Faction titles, but don't make another part of the game exclusive to people who spend all their play time in one area. These skills are supposed o be fun additions to the game for the whole community, the way it is now people who are able to use them at max rank are those who mostly only play in PVP anyways and will prolly never use them anyway. The shrine blessing is horribly slow to level these skills and some people don't like to PvP at all. I have the original packaging for the guild wars game which says and I quote, "You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, NOT HOURS PLAYED, decides your fate." Up until now grinding has only had an aesthetic (ie purely appearance based) impact on the game which is why myself and so many other people love it. Titles are great for some people, gives you something to do and sets new challenges in obscure parts of the game but when it impacts on skills which would be fun, and exciting to many people it's not in the spirit of GW.

I personally see no problem with them making these skills max to begin with, however I can understand how this would upset a lot of people. If you want to play a game which rewards hours played go play WoW. Maxing at r5 is MUCH better than the current exhorbitant amount, however this will still be too big a grind for a casual player.

Not that it matters but for the record, I have AB'd A LOT and spend most of my time at Fort Aspenwood these days, when I can stand the leeching and Warrior bugs. I am only r2 as I always chose jaedite over contributing to my guild's town ownership. I still don't believe this is a fair goal.

I have a lot of maxed-out titles but I'm not pursuing this one; I enjoy HM so guardian was fun, I liked the fear involved an going for survivor, I even did the vanity cartographer titles because they didn't take that long; but I don't like AB and I have no interest in FFF. However, respect to anyone who wants to go for it; just because I'm not interested in the title myself doesn't mean I'm not impressed by those who have achieved it.

Regarding the new skills, I would point out that you don't actually "need" them. As possible to beat the game and get bonus/masters in most missions with heroes and henchies then by definition these skills are not required to play or enjoy the game.

Finally, and maybe it's just rationalization on my part, but it looks to me that the skills are generally just not much good, and if you feel you must use them, you could get respectable attributes at reasonably low rankings.

max faction title is good, nothing has to be changed

I said I wont be postin here anymore but I CANT STAND PEOPLE TELL SILLY AND/OR USELESS to fff or gaining faction. Maybe you dont know but farming faction AND DONATING TO GUILD is one of the biggest goals of the game wich is for GETTING(Haha you never get it) OR HOLDING House Zu Heltzer(Of course for some there might be little goals). And I like to say that Faction Farm guilds are in a group of MOST AWARDING place. While not many people know which are the best gvg or ha guilds everyone has echovland forest or jade sea know the alliences. And to the person who think that FFFers are just plain FFFers its basicly clear that you dont know a bit about fff guilds. We also enjoy farming, doing hm missions, make pvp parties and no not only members are doing this guild leaders and officers also playing with us. Dont comment without knowing about it


If you want to get those skills so much and dont wanna grind so long I suggest you just leave at r5 or just leave skills alone.

I think the max faction title is fine. I just got Rank 6 and moving on to get Rank 7 eventually.

Max titles should be extremely hard to obtain. I say raise it higher. 100 million. Seriously.

Wow, they have raised the Faction points awarded - a little! Now it will only take 300 days at 8 hours a day to max out the title! And I just thought I was going to have to quit my day job.

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Two years to get max title before GW 2? I think that is enough time.

/agree
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or what ever, but this is true, I really hate that title, it's ok to do for a while, but to dedicate full time, it's insane.

You do know when you donate 5k you get 10k towards the title right?

And stop complaining. Complaining is pointless it just leads to anerf nerfing something...

This thread won't do anything. Arenanet has no idea that "thousands of hours" is a long time.

You have my vote, the amount of time this title takes to max is quite rediculous.

Yes, we complainers are all well-aware of this. However, even with "10k towards the title", the title still takes several hundred hours to several thousand hours to max. Therefore due to PVE skills being tied to it, it is still way too ludicrous and needs fixing above and beyond the "10k towards the title".

I honestly think that anyone who favors the ridiculous amount of time it takes to max the title lives a dull life that involves spending countless hours doing AB in guild wars. Anyone who's already maxed the title certainly must be a sad person....or has an unhealthy obssession with AB.

You dont know anything about FF title. I mean ANYTHING.
As I said before faction farming alliences get the one of the biggest awards that an allience can take. CITIES. FFF also nets you 20-25kfaction title per hour and half benefit to guild and about 50-75k xp every hour and about 5k every hour so it is one of the best gold earning ways in the game nowadays. FFF isnt useless and people dont do it fot title! If you call every grind in the game 'useless' then I suppose you just go play another game to achive longer goals for longer time cause the storyline of gw only takes ne less then 1 week and other then that I call it 'grind'. As I say you call grinds useless then farming golds for fow is useless, trackin titles are useless and so on. And now titles are easier to achive and I suppose this was BEST you could get. I hated it that other than donating guild gives faction cause its not possible to track someone donated how much faction every week. BUT title is really easier now. Just go earn faction if you want those skills so much so much to death. If not its not your problem dont post here. And people who want skills you dont have to max it JUST AS YOU DONT BOTHER CANOT MAXNG ATTURBUTES AT 16 AND TALKIN CAUSE YOU WANT MORE ATIRBUTE POINT OR MORE RUNES STACKIN. If you want title faster it doesnt matter cause youll be allways show that you gave so little time it wont make the max same as now savior now savior is worser then before cause gives double point

It's supposed to be something you have to work for. So no, I think it should take you awhile to obtain it. Why dumb down the title so everyone who wants to get it right away and without putting in the time, instead of making it for the people who are willing to put in the time and effort.

You dont need to do PvP to get faction. You can easily get 1000 faction in 10 minutes in Arborstone in hardmode with blessing. Kill 25 monsters then the 3 easy bosses.

Max faction title is way too high, lower it plz.

Ok, 1k every 10 minutes. Thats still 5000 runs needed to max out the title.

833 hours

So how many hours a day can you handle doing that and only that ?

And for the casual players, how many hours a week do you actually have to play guild wars ?

Bilateralrope
Hmm well Its easy to answer: MAX FACTION TITLE AINT FOR CAUSUAL PLAYERS(nor do they care)
On a post above I said its ONLY 3hour a day 4 month work(I prety mean it by saying only) what if it was a week work. Everyone with savior? It would be like spear marshall or holy lightbringer? how much do they impress you? I have both spear marshall and holy lightbringer maxed and I prefer to show my r6 kurzick title.
SO AND EASY CONCLUSION
IF YA ARE MAKIN THIS FIGHT CAUSE YO WANNA GET SKILLS MAKE FIGHT TO MAKE SKILLS LINK ATTIRBUTE(but you still want it to be linked to title dont you? cause you wanna do this without attirbute point. BE LOGICAL)
IF YA WANNA GET TITLE MAXED JUST GO HIGH AS YOU CAN AFTER ALL IF SAVIOR WOULD BE 1200K IT WOULD BE AS IMPRESSIVE AS STEWARD
IF YA ARE JUST A MAXED TITLE HUNTER GO WITH OTHER SKILLS FIRST BUT IF YA OBSESSIVE TO GET ALL TITLES MAXED BETTER NOT FACTION ONES i MUST SAY

I don't have the feeling that there is something wrong with the title.
The skills aren't needed to complete a thing so they are optional, just like the title is optional. Play to earn.

I agree. I'm not sure that rank5 is the right place to put it (seems too high to me), but I wholeheartedly agree with scaling the skills across a small subset of the ranks.

I think a combiniation of lower titles on the low end (raise the rate more exponentially for max) and lower rank for max effect. I only plan on getting to tier 4, maybe teir 5. FFF is NOT that much fun.

Please provide proof for your statement that the casual players don't care about actual stat improvements.
Personally I don't think that anyone actually cares what title your displaying, except for the LB title in the areas where it helps.
I'm only complaining about this title because it gives actual stat improvements. If the skills get unlinked from the title, then my complaint vanishes. As does the complaints of almost everyone complaining about this title.

Oh and posting in all caps is the equivalent of shouting, so next time you post in all caps I'm just going to ignore you for being rude.

If you dont care about title just make your efforts in makin them not linked of title but from no where. So this is a grind titles if casual players dont wanna grind just get an easier title cause if a casual player going for maxed titles title they arent casual anymore. And as I said if the max lowered it wouldnt get more impressive.

Well maybe you didnt but it isnt that fun to compleate missions when all chars have done camping all i can do now is to track titles as farmin nerfed and i cant make gold goals.

if you dont have anything yo do with title just whant them to get maxed without a title need. after all you people say than even 875k is a lot and no than if even that is a need. if there is no way for you to grind just say that skills should be seperated not faction title too high.

If its what you want to make faction maxed (I really,really wonder what are max of people thing. After all it shouldnt be that easy right) A days work to max a title it would be the easiest title to max.

CAPS EXPLAINED:
AND NO CAPS DOESNT MEAN I AM SHOUTING. FOR ME IT MEANS THAT I WANT THAT SENTENCE TO BE SHOWN AS MORE IMPORTANT JUST AS I WANT YOU TO SEE THIS OR SO. LIKE UNDERLINE. WHY YOU THINT TITLES OF ARTICLES OR SOMETHINGS ARE NOT LOWER CASE? TO SHOUT READERS?

I've been playing for nearly two years and still don't have much more than a mil faction. :-\ 10 mil is a bit much.

If you arent faction farming you wont have more then mil. And after all that ambers and jadeites doesnt worth money now the only reason someone to faction farm is that someone loves their guild. That means guild leader'officers and people that will stay log there

Faction titles are set very high because they're account specific, not character specific. However, because there are skills linked to the title, it is certainly too high.

Solution? Tie the skills to class attributes. No reason not to.

I think it would be fine if it wasnt linked to the kurzick/luxon skills. If someone wants to fff for ages to get a good title thats fine by me but if you need to farm lots of faction to make your skills better its a bit much :/

employing bold or italicized format would be enough to highlight something. Caps can get very annoying very quickly.

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Cap is ok, skills need to be maxed out at a lower rank though.

Sorry but the title should stay as it currently is. People already got a double faction boost for any future skill purchases or alliance submitting.

This is itself is a huge bonus to attaining levels in the title track.
The skills scale great, with halfway to the max level title ( 5 million ) you are only 2 levels below the max.

Yes it does require some work to get but anet have already made this title easier to get 2 times now and you whiners are still complaining about it being too much.

Well its quite pathetic really, you want it work for it.

And no, im not one of those that already has the title maxed, but I am working on it like many other people. It feels slow going at times, but hell its only a game and steadily the title builds up.

Its like all you want is to have these skills available at max level with only minimal effort on your own part and as I said before anet have already made the skills much easier to get to a reasonably high level.

Its like you just want everything handed to you on a plate and that is a sorry mentality to have.

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omg!!! the writer is very rude. He is shauting at me. Maybe you dont realize but messin up with those bold bottons and such are harder then clicking a bouttoun.

Keep the title where it is (for no-lifers) and either:

1) Tie skills to an attribute, so they can be maxed depending on build
2) Max the skills at 100,000 faction.

I pretty much hate myself for even mentioning #2 as an option, because I am 100% anti-grind. If GW:EN has PvE skills tied to a grind, or a title like Lightbringer, I won't be buying it (unless of course I can AFK farm like I did for my LB points.)

Right, and I think that's exactly the problem with how ANet restructured the title. They confused the amount of faction needed for each rank of the title (and the corresponding usefullness of the new skills) with the work that people had already done on their titles. The goals, and the reason for working on them, are completely different. The benefits should likewise be different.

Long-time faction farmers have always been focused on keeping their alliance in control of an outpost, and gaining the advantages associated with that. Admittedly, this takes persistance and continued work. This has it's own reward.

The faction skills, on the other hand, should be accessable to most, and not require more than say 100 hours of play to reach the 80% mark. It certainly shouldn't be compared with the top-flight 0.0001% of factions farmers that sit around and do nothing else all day, day after day...

- Grunntar

The disparity between getting the sunspear skills and the faction skills is huge, here is a few numbers, assuming a player has finished the campaigns and is able to farm sunspear and faction points:

Sunspear takes about 8 hours to max, 2 or 3 hours to get 1 away from max
Faction takes 312 hours to max, assuming perfect kurzick FF runs

Considering the fact that faction is account wide, it would take an equal amount of time to max sunspear on 40! characters as it would to max faction. I'm pretty sure no one has 40 pve characters on their account. It's even worse when you consider getting to r9 sunspear only takes a few hours, or casual farming/vanquishing to get.

The new sunspear and faction skills are now a reward for grinding in guild wars. Reading from my good old guildwars box: "You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, NOT HOURS PLAYED, decides your fate." (emphasis added). Thats why 1.5k armor has the same stats as obsidian armor. Adding in these skills is the game-equivalent of giving people with obsidian armor +100 health over 1.5k armor. Now think of the complaining that would make? When people say "You don't NEED these skills to win" it's the same case, you don't NEED that +100 health, but I would complain when people who farm have an advantage over those who don't. A good idea I read in this thread was giving the skills at rank 1 and linking it to primary attributes. Another good idea I haven't read yet is linking it to the number of hard mode missions you have finished. This would seem to put it as a reward for skill, not time spent, just as guild wars is supposed to be.

it's fine. rank15 = many years full time

The problem is not the title but simply that tieing of skills to it.

Meh.

The faction skills at rank 1 are more powerful than many standard skills. Suppose you have all three games and 8 pve toons. To get to rank 1 each 'toon will have to contribute 12,500 faction. This drops to 6,250 per character if you don't spend it on scrolls/jadeite/amber.

I fail to see how getting the skills is all that hard. Yes, it takes time, but everything worth anything takes a little effort.

I was in a faction farming guild when Factions first came out. I left after week or two, because it really did start to feel like work with the guild leader acting like the worst kind of hysterical boss. Everyone was expected to contribute 5,000 per day. In that fairly short time, I contributed 45,000 Kurzik faction. In that same period, others in my guild had contributed 400,000. We even held HzH for a few days before the alliance fell apart.

Until last week, I still had that same 45,000 faction. With the new ways to get faction, it's up to 70,000 now with not that much effort. Given how powerful the skills are at the lowest rank and the fact that the skills are account wide, and that people if FF guilds who hold major towns have been toiling with little recognition for their labors for some time now, I have no problem whatsoever with how it was implemented.

Of course, if the people on this thread crying their precious little eyes out convince Anet to make it easier to accomplish, I won't complain about that either.

HAHAHA you are soo lazy. Maxing skills at 100k and still so much? After the update I donated 110k in 1 single day and got 220k. SO THAT EASILY MEANS IF YOU WORK HARD FOR 1 DAY YOU CAN GET IT. and with half of my effort of getting 220k