330hp Rt/Mo Vengeful Spirit Bonder -Quick HM Farming!

Vexed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Mo/

15 Jul 2007 at 23:08 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshgt2

I haven't seen any where in this topic if it is possible to do with a Mo/Rt... I saw it was asked in the second post but I don't see any answer to it. Is it possible to do with Mo/Rt? It can be done, but the Rt primary gets a lot more mileage out of the damage skills, and you don't really need the divine favor healing bonus.

So, doable, but the Rt primary is much, much more effective.

Also, Rez, I've found that I prefer a sword/axe with 10% half spell recharge + focus with 20% restoration recharge (crafted in Vasburg Armory) to my Kekphet's refuge. Naturally I'll be putting a 20% enchantment mod on the sword as soon as I can find one, but I find I can chain VwK very often with all the opportunity to halve the recharge, noticably faster than with the 20% half spell recharge from a staff alone - especially since spells cast while holding VwK do not get the enchantment bonus.

Also, I think you're maybe a little dogmatic with all the Radiant and Attunement insignias / runes, since as soon as you engage a mob the energy just flows in and you have no need for all the extra. Of course, I can't think of anything that would be more beneficial, but I certainly haven't needed all that extra energy.

Still, fantastic build, and I'm racking up the mods and tomes wherever I farm with it.

Persie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

You Play Like A [GiRL]

16 Jul 2007 at 01:05 - 82

interrupts?
dazed?

teotuf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

16 Jul 2007 at 04:20 - 83

actually, if the monk takes SoA instead of RoD, and blessed aura instead of essence bond, and set the max hp as much as the user is comfortable with (i use 410 hp for 13 retrib dmg), it is totally doable with monk.

of course killing speed is about 2/3 of rt/mo, but it does offer effective mass aggro possiblities with a scythe and corner positions

Smexy Dexy

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2007

Souls of lost heroes

Rt/

16 Jul 2007 at 11:18 - 84

This build is awesome. UW works great. I also find out that Issnur Isles was a very good place for this build.

Anyway I'm looking for a boss to farm for this build. I've tried the monk boss outside Blacktide Den but it was a bit slow and after 10 rounds with no good drops I guessed that it wasn't the best boss to farm. =/

Ty very much for the build!

Snick

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

16 Jul 2007 at 13:30 - 85

does it work as mo/rt?

stogez

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

USA

ToA...guild formerly known as Koss and TAM

16 Jul 2007 at 13:54 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snick

does it work as mo/rt? Did you read?
Read the 5-6 posts before yours and you'll have an answer.

thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

16 Jul 2007 at 19:32 - 87

karunpav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

16 Jul 2007 at 19:33 - 88

ReZDoGG, I want to have your babies. I've made a new Ritualist because of you. Thank you. So much.

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

16 Jul 2007 at 20:47 - 89

AscalonWarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kokkola, Finland

Mo/

16 Jul 2007 at 21:02 - 90

You can keep the quest, but the event will end, quest will stay if you don't remove it

stogez

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

USA

ToA...guild formerly known as Koss and TAM

16 Jul 2007 at 23:49 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by thor hammerbane

Man this makes me want to make a ritualist.
Just a question tho.

How does spirit bond heal you for that 80 hp? With prot spirit, you take 33 dmg, max, and it says that you need to be hit for more than 60 to get healed. With 15AL armor, you're hit with a lot more dmg. Its just that PS reduces it to 10% of your health. The healing from SB is calculated on the base dmg before PS is applied.

teotuf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

17 Jul 2007 at 00:18 - 92

if you have tried it out, SoA does not reduce retribution dmg... not does it prevent essence bond from gaining energy from elemental/physical atks.
and because of the SoA reduce, ur not limited to 330 max hp, as ur hp will drop to about 1/2 to 2/3 before ur taking 0 dmg and dealing ur vwk dmg and ur ACTUAL retribution dmg.
and it is not mroe energy intensive, as most of the time u'd not even be using/renewing sb which is a 10 energy skill for every 2 secs, and only using SoA, which is a 5 energy skill for 10 secs, vengeful weapon is mroe than enough to heal you to full hp for the next SoA.

try it out before you say something doenst work plz

the thing with mo/rt is, it kills faster as you increase ur aggro group. mo/rt kills luxon sins slower than rt/mo if u take on 4 at a time, but if u compare the rt/mo take on the first group, then the second group, with mo/rt taking on both of them at the same time, it's about the same (u'll understand what i mean if you try it out)

or course, this is still a brilliant build for rit, just saying it monk works too with some mods

thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

17 Jul 2007 at 01:50 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by stogez

With 15AL armor, you're hit with a lot more dmg. Its just that PS reduces it to 10% of your health. The healing from SB is calculated on the base dmg before PS is applied. I guess you learn something new every day hehe..

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

17 Jul 2007 at 01:54 - 94

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

17 Jul 2007 at 03:30 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Persie

interrupts?
dazed? annoyances at best with this build. Most of the enchants that keep you alive are fast casting and offer very little opportunity for interrupts. The damaging spells can cover each other, more or less.As long as you have either spirit bond of VwK available to use and uninterrupted then you're fine. At least this has been my experience while using it.

Thunder79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chaos Rising

17 Jul 2007 at 04:16 - 96

Great build...
Tried it on the Sins...that's a great place to get Assassin Tomes...

Trying it now on UW...big pain in the ass when they interrupt SB or Vwk...it's nice when you get Vwk up as it feels like a nice safety blanket for a bit..SB becomes less of a problem when you have it up...

still haven't really dealt with the dying nightmares yet...only Bladed Aatxes....they are enough of a pain.

edit: literally just after submitting this post I ran into my first dying nightmare...scrambled to behind the spirits...and....I'm Alive...dying nightmare is dead...Yay! Not so much a problem as long as you can get the spirits to body block. Looking at these Aatxes close up makes me want to get one as a pet

. Now I have a goal for my farming

I'll get it just like every other UW build I've used so far...just takes time and practice practice practice.

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

17 Jul 2007 at 10:51 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

It is very useful in the festival mission 'Darkness at Kaitan' where u can kill at least 35 nagas without running around too much... At least 2K + 1 gold per run. Hope the mission remains there forever, but I doubt that I was going to mention that quest, but I wanted to kinda keep it to myself :P I didn't see to many people going in and out there, so I figured there was a few that actually farmed it.
I have been farming there with my Rit since the first day of festival. When I got that quest and was about to finish it...once I seen all the naga right outta town, I thought of farming it right off. I got a sh*t load of gold weapons and items from there. I once got three req 9 gold Sunqua Blades in one 8 min. run. Since then I've got around 20 gold sunquas, and about 30-40 other golds just from farming there. I do hope that it stays, and not too many people know about it

So it dont get removed... I'm sure most have completed the quest anyways. Sux for them

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

17 Jul 2007 at 11:07 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

This is definitely the build of century, got 30K in less than 2 hours plus other goldies and HM items... (Doing 'Darkness at Kaitam' over and over)

I am ready to kill my 55 and SS since this build can farm a varieties of mobs

Thanks Again, oink I haven't used 55 Monk and 55 Nec in alooooong time. Since HM came out I've used nothing but my 105hp builds and then now the 330hp. I almost got 3 mill experience just from farming alone. Thats just farming here and there, not going hardcore or anything. And my Rit is only 6 months old... Well you do get alot of exp solo farming in HM. But that tell's ya I don't use Monk or Necro at all, maybe once in a great while... only to farm places my ritualist don't have yet.

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

17 Jul 2007 at 11:16 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder79

. Now I have a goal for my farming

I'll get it just like every other UW build I've used so far...just takes time and practice practice practice. Blades Aatxes go down the quickest out of the UW run. But only in Hard Mode of course. Only ones you have to worry about are the Grasping and their interrupts, especially getting Dazed by them. I have done the first three UW runs with the build with success... and that was with using Reversal of Damage. I have been meaning to try Mending Touch instead of RoD for removing Dazed with the Graspings. Just have to learn how to time it so you don't get interrupted. And farming UW with this build does take some experience... it can be difficult in different situations. Just make sure you read the guide for UW runs thoroughly.

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

17 Jul 2007 at 11:30 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

It's actually kinda pointless to use SoA with Retribution. Reducing all damage being done to you, will only allow Retribution to do +1 damage to foes while active. And you would need to spam Spirit Bond constantly since VwK will only steal 29, and will not negate damage being done...especially with 400hp or more.
You be best just to go usual SoJ Spirit Bonder with Monk without SoA...still works but only on same sized groups as my build. But Mo/Rt wouldn't be worth using... SoJ Spirit Bonder will do more damage. And if you wanna take on bigger mobs, either use my 105hp Rt/Mo builds, or just use usual 55/105hp Monk with SoJ. And massive aggro with VwK is not so good against alot of melee enemies, they will keep running away and healing themselves. 55/105hp Monk is best to take on massive groups of enemies, since you can attack one to keep him from running and eventually die... and do that until whole group is dead. And Spirit Bond is definately not good for massive mobs anyways. If there are 10 or more enemies, Spirit Bond will end within 2 seconds.

Get yourself a Ritualist and you will be all set to go

Mo/Rt is not worth it, u will do less damage, and use up more energy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rezdog

Yeah I knew it would work, but it's just not worth it like I mentioned. Monk SoJ Spirit Bonder would probably do more damage over time... And I tried using SoA with my build and it did reduce Retribution, same for Shielding Hands. It will do alittle damage when SoA is adding up and reducing 5 damage each time...but once it hits 0 for about 4-5 seconds, it won't allow Retribution to reflect barely any damage at all. And with any more than 290hp, VwK will not negate it with a monk...there for you gotta use Spirit Bond more than a Rit. Which does lead to using up more energy, and I didn't mean it would drain your energy. I
I mean if you want to use Mo/Rt you could, but I recommend just getting a Ritualist to actually experience what the build can do. I notice flawls in your posts, aswell you seem to not take advice from others...I suggest you actually try things out before you claim something as a fact

Retribution keeps dealing it's orginal damage, even when SoA is on.

If you're going only for the gold items/ecto's whatevah, mass aggro (and thus not 330 HP rit) are your best bet. Like suggested, SB+SoA -> mass aggro. Earth eles too. there are lots of ways.

If you decide to run 600 HP on a monk, you have a constant 20 damage with retribution (at high enough smiting). Add SoJ (or even better spitefull spirit?, but i don't know how the attribute alter would allow max curses, same if you run vwk) and you deal pretty damn good damage. More than this anyway (so don't tell me that a rit/mo is faster than a monk/necro or monk/rt, in the end rt/mo will loose).

Maybe this 1 is faster for small groups (faster recharge on vwk than on soj) but who is farming small groups nowadays? Ye, white junk lovers

. But farming small groups is not that profitable if you look at the rare's rate over time.

Than again, we're farming with vwk in this thread so not gonna compare them. I like vwk the most when farming kappa in masses. Life stealing ignores their skill which reduces dmg (don't recall name now, something like turtle shell).

Tab

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Under a bridge

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/

17 Jul 2007 at 11:35 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by thor hammerbane

Man this makes me want to make a ritualist.
Just a question tho.

How does spirit bond heal you for that 80 hp? With prot spirit, you take 33 dmg, max, and it says that you need to be hit for more than 60 to get healed. A bit late, but Spirit Bond works off 'theoretical damage', rather than damage after prots. So if an Aatxe was going to hit you for 500, but PS reduces it to 33, SB will trigger because it goes off the 500.

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

17 Jul 2007 at 14:30 - 102

no need to sorry, I'd rather comment long replies than short ones.

First off all, I don't try to hate the build. I've used it (like I said, i still use vwk for kappa's; yes I have a ritualist, if you have read my reply) and it's not bad at all. It has it uses, and like you claimed it's fast in kililng small groups. I also said this was true (if you have read my reply). I also said killing small groups is a good idea if you're going for white weapons. I also said that killing mass groups is better for your rares rate in the long run.

But I commented you in first place since you claimed that rt/mo 330 in THE FASTEST WAY TO SOLO EVERYTHING. You bombed this build to be THE NEW AND BEST way to farm EVERYTHING. And that's not true.

We are on a forum so I thought; let's discuss that.
First, best for you is not best for others. You think best means farming small groups as fast as possible so you get more white weapons. Others think best means killing masses as fast as possible to get more rares in the long term.
You claim that vengefull weapon and RoD make this build the fastest.
If you have 12+ enemies on you, you're better of doing damage to all of them than damage to single enemies. Sure, you have small groups so this single damage is better and more noticable, but if you're going for the large groups like others, this is nothing.
Don't claim that killing massive groups is only for experience. We all know that killing massive groups is more profitable if you look at rares than killing small groups, which takes long to kill the same amount of enemies.
I probably can think of more reasons but Im not gonna write 20 pages now.

Ugh this already sounds like I hate this BUILD, but I'm not hating it! I just don't like how you, rezzdogg, claim that this build is the best...This build has its uses, just like every other build out there. No build with 8 skills is the overall best for all areas in GW...So quit the crap plz kthnx.

AuroraSerpico

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2007

17 Jul 2007 at 15:10 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

no need to sorry, I'd rather comment long replies than short ones.

wow... Talk about a party pooper.

p.s. Rezzdogg, i'm loving the build! great work

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

17 Jul 2007 at 15:51 - 104

Edit By Silly Warrior: It's just a build, I want BOTH of you to end this right now, or I'll just keep closing all the threads/posts you make. We don't need it. Take it to Private Messaging if you truly care enough about this. Keep it to yourselves, nobody else cares.

ibex333

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Brooklyn, NY

[EYE]

Rt/A

18 Jul 2007 at 01:06 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

no need to sorry, I'd rather comment long replies than short ones.

First off all, I don't try to hate the build. I've used it (like I said, i still use vwk for kappa's; yes I have a ritualist, if you have read my reply) and it's not bad at all. It has it uses, and like you claimed it's fast in kililng small groups. I also said this was true (if you have read my reply). I also said killing small groups is a good idea if you're going for white weapons. I also said that killing mass groups is better for your rares rate in the long run.

But I commented you in first place since you claimed that rt/mo 330 in THE FASTEST WAY TO SOLO EVERYTHING. You bombed this build to be THE NEW AND BEST way to farm EVERYTHING. And that's not true.

We are on a forum so I thought; let's discuss that.
First, best for you is not best for others. You think best means farming small groups as fast as possible so you get more white weapons. Others think best means killing masses as fast as possible to get more rares in the long term.
You claim that vengefull weapon and RoD make this build the fastest.
If you have 12+ enemies on you, you're better of doing damage to all of them than damage to single enemies. Sure, you have small groups so this single damage is better and more noticeable, but if you're going for the large groups like others, this is nothing.
Don't claim that killing massive groups is only for experience. We all know that killing massive groups is more profitable if you look at rares than killing small groups, which takes long to kill the same amount of enemies.
I probably can think of more reasons but Im not gonna write 20 pages now.

Ugh this already sounds like I hate this BUILD, but I'm not hating it! I just don't like how you, rezzdogg, claim that this build is the best...This build has its uses, just like every other build out there. No build with 8 skills is the overall best for all areas in GW...So quit the crap plz kthnx.

Dood.. Have you nothing better to do than sit here and waste your time typing this stuff? WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE? Why do you care if Rezdog said his build is the best or not? All that matters is HE SHARED IT! I couldn't care less if Rezzdogg will say in this thread that his build is the best, the LEETEST build the world has ever seen.. I don't care if he says he's my daddy and I'm his b*tch!!! Who gives a damn? It's a forum. In reality I'm the king of ya'll all, and I'm your daddy, but that is another story.

All that matters to me, is that Rezzdogg shared his build with me, and thanx to him, I now have yet another way of making money! THANK YOU REZDOGG!

As for you bud.. Well.. Do you realize that you wasted several minutes of your life typing all that up? It really was a waste cause you accomplished nothing! You could have been farming, you could have been f***ing your girl, you could have been doing whatever else, but you spent your time on a pointless argument. You think you will make Rezzdog realize that he should NOT gloat about his leetness? THINK AGAIN. He will realize that when his time comes.

As for now, excuse him, and everyone else for taking pride in our accomplishments please! Excuse us for feeling good, and gloating about it if we do something nice for ourselves and everyone else. Whether it is right or wrong, it's human nature no?

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

18 Jul 2007 at 01:26 - 106

This is a really awesome build Rezdogg

but I gotta ask when using the rit to farm luxon assassins did you get a lot of rare weapon drops?
cause I like only see gold armor

teotuf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

18 Jul 2007 at 05:21 - 107

ughh... i really don't get how my suggesting of a variation of the build with mo/rt caused this argument...

nowhere in mine and konings posts did we say this was a bad build, we even admitted its advantages. so please, don't take it personally (plus, things tend improve with criticisms and comments, not mindless "omfg this is such a great build")

as for the others who were flaming koning... i really think you should come up with something as good as his e/me before you start to criticize him

360??

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

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W/Mo

18 Jul 2007 at 05:29 - 108

Thanks a lot, Rezdogg.
Quote:

And I guess from now on, I will keep my builds to myself. Especially when Eye of The North comes out... Why share knowledge if people just going to flip out and tell you your stupid? I can't stand the people that just go out of their way to make sure they go to every thread and make sure they put some kind of negative comments, thinking they know everything about everything... I don't recommend you to do that because of one persons opinion. You've made a couple of GREAT builds, which deserve to be shared with this community. I'm sure when GW:EN comes out you'll invent some more cool farming builds, so I encourage you to keep on sharing your wisdom to people. You've only received one negative comment, rest of them are positive. Ok, enough about it.

If I'm only after ectos in UW, should I use this one or the Rt/W build for it?

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Jul 2007 at 08:40 - 109

Frustrating how people show a lack of reading skills.

Teotuf is totally right, we've never claimed that this was a bad build, we even said it was good in some ways.

People tend to forget where a forum is for; not for giving comments like 'OMG your build is uber fast' but to improve and give critique, so builds can only become better.

I pointed rezdog only on some faults (how he thought about SoA+retribution, and how he claimed that this build was faster and more). I felt that I had to put him back in his place because what he claimed simply isn't true. Same as in the other rt/w thread, where he claims things which aren't true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdog

And I guess from now on, I will keep my builds to myself. Especially when Eye of The North comes out... Why share knowledge if people just going to flip out and tell you your stupid? I can't stand the people that just go out of their way to make sure they go to every thread and make sure they put some kind of negative comments, thinking they know everything about everything... I don't know what to think of this, besides that this is kinda sad. I also feel you are pointing to me, but apperantly you're wrong.
'Go to every thread to give negative comments'. Grow up, you don't see me in every thread first of all. Secondly, this clearly shows that you can't take any critique. It's impossible to expect that every1 gives comments like 'OMG U ROCK' you know...(only exception is if it's true ofcourse

)

Like teotuf said, the others trying to flame me clearly don't know what they are talking about...(and ibex333, I have time for this because I farm faster and thus saving time to do other things....)

Zarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

The Lost Heroes Guild

18 Jul 2007 at 08:55 - 110

Thanks for the nice build RezDogg

a little hard to use for UW, well in the beginning

but hey, whats a build without any challange?

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Jul 2007 at 13:17 - 111

I'm glad you finally found out that what you were trying to claim was wrong.

And I doubt in first place if people are reading trough all that ( Lately it's either responding 'OMG UBER' or responding how to do this/that while things are explained a few posts above his reply), and if they're not interested they can just skip it...it was our discussion afterall, not theirs.

teotuf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

18 Jul 2007 at 14:04 - 112

well, we are just trying to give you a option of expanding ur guide by adding a viable mo/rt variation... if you don't like it, fine, but plz don't say it things like "retribution and SoA don't work together", or "mo/rt is more energy intensive because u have to renew sb every 2 secs", or "u can't have 400+ hp and survive, cuz vwk don't steal enough for you to survive". those statements are simply not true.

btw, if you can't tell, we are giving you constructive criticisms, not mindless flaming, so plz be a little less defensive.

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

18 Jul 2007 at 14:27 - 113

Alright Guys I'm not going to be going through 3 pages of flaming and annoying stuff to sort out all the good. I'm only going to tell you all this once.

Its called constructive crit, please do that around here, nobody likes hearing these endless arguements about if it was changed the build would be better.

Perhaps RezDoGG is being a bit stubborn about his build, but if you dislike that, go make another build thread oriented around your idea. Why not?

Koning, RezDoGG, no unconstructive argueing will go on in this thread. If there is, or to the level that there was, I WILL close it.

Keep it clean...please.

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Jul 2007 at 15:06 - 114

Glad you mods took action.

He even began to call me names now... seems to me that calling names whitnesses of a lost discussion...

Maybe you can edit them out?

Dr Imperial

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

[DVDF]

18 Jul 2007 at 15:13 - 115

"Knucklehead" and "Loser"?

Oh yeah, we probably should edit out those profanities...don't want to harm any children.

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

18 Jul 2007 at 15:50 - 116

Thanks again Silly... I wanted this non sense to stop. And he took action because I asked him too.

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Jul 2007 at 15:54 - 117

Than why did you even start it and made it evolve like this? (btw for the record, I made them aware of this so don't try to be cool. )

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

18 Jul 2007 at 15:59 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

Than why did you even start it and made it evolve like this? (btw for the record, I made them aware of this so don't try to be cool) You know what, if it makes you happy and feel good on the inside.... you were right this whole time. YOU WIN. now you can live a happy life. lol. Case closed!

and for the record... none of this would happened if you didn't make the claims and comments u did.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

18 Jul 2007 at 16:11 - 119

I would like to point out that killing the same number of enemies in a large group shouldn't have any bearing on your gold rate. Drops are calculated per death not per group. So if one monster dies it runs the drop calculation algorithm if fifteen monsters die at once it still runs the same algorithm individually. So let us say that you are doing Minister Cho's estate, you decide to pull several small groups together. Ok so now you have a large group but the drop chances are still the same as if you pulled each group individually. The large group myth, and yes until I see the section of game code or an excel spread sheet with the statistical tracking on it it is a myth, needs to stop being perpetuated. Being that this is a farming thread I thought that that needed to be said. RezDoGG I finally got the timing down to keep my energy from cycling out too fast. I have to say that while the build is straightforward it does take a bit to master.

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

18 Jul 2007 at 18:42 - 120

Well its noticeable if you kill a huge group of enemies at once at the same exact second, you do get less drops. I didn't mean less rares... I know you still get rares no matter what if the enemy is goin to drop it, and no matter what size of the group was. But getting them extra merchant stuff does bring in alil money. It's a type of nerf that keeps those massive farming builds from bringing in alot of items and money by doing massive ownage in a very short amount of time. It may not be said, as I don't think they would want to. If they put the nerf in the first place, they won't want anyone knowing how to get around it soon as it takes affect. Some things are left unsaid, and left for us players to figure out. I still think farming decent sized groups is better than farming massive groups...