Which Army would win?

There are so many armies in guild wars, ever wonder what would happen if they all fought each other? I'm talking massive war here, here is what i mean:

Charr Vs. The Stone Summit Vs The Undead Orrians Vs The White Mantle Vs The Mursaat Vs The Shiro'ken Vs The Afflicted Vs The Luxons Vs The Kurzick Vs The Wardens Vs The outcasts Vs the Kourans Vs Marrgonites Vs The Forgotten Vs The Shadow Army

Now lets forget level here for a second. And lets assume that all these armies meet in a common point and start beating the snot outa each other. Lets also take out the player involvement with the Luxons and Kurzick. Also rule out the Titan interferance with the Charr. Who would win? Which army out of numbers, power, skill or tactical abilitiy would win?

Me.. I say that the Undead would stand the best chance. I mean, they kill someone, there is a new solider right? And they were by far the biggest pain at the time. But who knows, still I wanna hear your opinion on this!

Oh also, if I have forgotten anyone, please let me know.

I would say half of them are just ranks of the same army. Here are the basics of each army.

Nightmare Horde = Kanaxai > Kanaxai Demons > Outcasts

Echovald Guardians = Urgoz > Urgoz Minions > Wardens

Mursaat Army = Mursaat > White Mantle

Shiros Army = Shiro > Shiro'ken > Afflicted

Abbadons Surface Army = Varesh > Margonites > Kournans

The Shadow Army = Menzies > Shadow Army

Undead Army = Undead Lich > Undead Soldiers

Armies you have missed:

The Sunspears = Kormir > Sunspear Troops

The Zaishan

Deldrimor Dwarves > King Jalis Ironhammer > Deldrimor Dwarves


I would say the Mursaat Army and Shiros Army have the best chances. Charr may come close. The Undead would be weak in this contest. And the Luxons and Kurzicks would be only fighting each other really.

Shiroken and Mursaat...easily....

Mursaat, I bet that the others are not infused, so GG

lets assume that they are infused for a second, and lets also just assume that they are all say, level 22-28ish. Would that make things more balanced?

1. where would they be fighting
and 2. naga pwns all

Mursaat and Shiro'ken. No contest!

Spectral Agony pwns Song of the Mists.

Mursaat themselves are not infused

Ruriks vanguard would PWN all!

free runner you forgot Abbadon's demons.

Horde of Darkness > all other armies

Well tactically the Charr have proved themselves to be better than the Ascalonians.

But all in all the armies with uber powers will win. E.g the Mursatt and the Torment Deamons.

Once it's down to those two, who can say?

If i included Abaddons army i would be taking out a few of the other armies aswell. Shiro and the Lich are part of Abaddons.....aswell as Varesh.

.......because really if we included everything Abaddon has theres no doubt who would win.

Abaddons forces = Abaddon > Dhuum and Menzies > Shiro and the Lich > Shiro'ken > Torment Demons > Shadow Army > Dhuums forces > Titans > Varesh > Margonites > Kournans

Of course most of them are on the same level but that gives you an idea of Abaddons forces.

The Charr proved themselves yes...but they used the Searing which suprised and weakend the Ascalon people.In a scenerio where the Charr had nto used the searing the outcome may be different.

Which really doesnt matter unless the Mursaat planned on attacking themselves......

I'm still with the Mursaat and Shiro'ken. Saying the other armies are infused is basicly throwing the Mursaat out but the Shiro'ken in vast numbers would be extremely dangerous.

Mursaat hands down are the most complete group, and their bosses pack some punch too.

Mursaat have some of the best skills mixed with Spectral Agony too, so yeah.

Yet ingame, you and 7 others manage to beat them all!

Abbadon FTL

Na Mursaat would never win, they were slaughtered by the Titans.

Army wise u have(pre EotN):

Ascalon + aligned guilds
Kryta Guilds
Vabbi Princes forces + aligned guilds + Djinn
Luxons + aligned guilds
Kurzicks + aligned guilds
Imperial(The Canthan forces) + aligned guilds
Joko and his Undead
Dwarves
Asura
Fiery Destroyer and co.
Charr
Norn
Forgotten + Enchanted
Glint + alligned creatures/creations
Kuuvaang + The Saltspray Dragons
The Dredge tribes
The Grawl tribes
The Heket tribes
The Naga tribes
The Skree tribes
The Yeti tribes
The Ettin tribes
The Giant tribes
The Centaur Tribes (various)
The Tengu Tribes (various)
The Oni
Whatever is left of Istan + Sunspears + aligned guilds
whatever is left of the White Mantle and its alligned Guilds
Whatever is left of the Shining Blade and its alligned Guilds
Whatever is left of the Mursaat + Jades
Whatever is left of the Seers (could they be involved with the Fiery destroyer)
Whatever is left of the Kourna forces + aligned guilds
Whatevers left of the Wardens (if there any remaining post Urgoz)
Whatevers left of the Nightmare Horde (if there any remaining post Kannaxai)
Whatevers left of Dhuums forces (although most appear to have abaddoned him)
Whatevers left of Menzies forces
Whatever remainders of Abaddons forces (most have been destroyed, as did Mallynx and his forces)
Whatevers left of the Jade brotherhood
Whatevers left of the Am Fah
Other special Races made by the gods - The Gretchins, the snowmen, the druids

all in all id say the Fiery Destroyers forces > all, hence why we need to ally in EotN

I would say the stone summits, as they have a god to back them up, (the great destroyer) while Abbadon is sort of dead atm .

I doubt in a full on conflict with all the foes together that would be the case.


After being stretched thin by humans attempting to get to the Ring Of Fire. With great numbers vs foes that are not infused they would take down many.

Na the Mursaat always feared the Titans, i presume they had a weakness to them. sure the Mursaat would take down lot of the others but as soon as the Titans gunned for them there reign as king of the hill would be over

The Summit are gone, King Jalis and his forces restored Peace in the Shiverpeaks once his pesky cousin aka the Leader of the Summit was killed. And im pretty sure they still beleive in the Great Dwarf, they simply didnt like non Dwarfs or anyone whom aligned with non dwarfs.

Alright, I figured I better post everything these armies bring to the table, time for a pro/con list for all of them!:

Charr-> Pros; Strong, large numbers, organized attacks. Cons;Civial war due to loss of their "gods" to reliant on strong arm, rush tactics.

Stone Summit-> Pros; Brutal, determined, organized, power grunts/leaders. Cons-> Xenophobic, doesn't trust anyone outside their guild, very small people, once again relies too much on brute force

The Undead-> Pros; Undead unaffectied by bleeding, poision and disease. Was a real army at one point, high number of annoying units. Cons; Double dmg from holy, without a proper leader with the Litch gone

The White Mantle-> Pros; Zealous, tactical, deceptive, in deep within Kryta with no plans of leaving. Cons: Zealous, reliant on their "Gods" for direction, too focused on small incidents to see the big picture.

The Mursaat-> Pros; incredible damage, well defined plans, tactical minds, the Jades. Cons; Without the jades they would not be half as good as they are.

The Shiro'ken-> Pros; powerful foes with no fear of anything because they are bound souls, already dead. Cons; Without Shiro, they loose all sense of real purpose.

The Afflicted-> Pros; 8 of 10 proffesions, annoying has hell, afflicted soul explosion. Cons; Also loose purpose without shiro, die way too easy.

The Luxons-> Pros; Culture is based on individual strenth, siege turtles are a tactical advantage. Cons; Ranged is where their real power lies, up close they have little power.

The Kurzicks-> Pros; Juggernauts, Stubborn. Cons; relitivly small area, blocked in, refusing the move.

the Wardens-> Pros; have varried ranks amoung the different professions, skill co-ordination(eg Knockdowns/brambles). Cons; only really focused on the forests, limited view, limited numbers.

The Outcasts-> Pros; Insanity is a plus in some cases, powerful foes that have access to some luxon weapons and most of the luxon resources. Cons; Insanity is a problem when trying to plan something however, rather focused on the jade sea.

The Kourans-> Pros; Strong military force, tactical planning many fotreses and outposts, able to beat a siege by the sun spears. Cons; Curently without a leader, became divided into smaller groups fearing the margonites, many were sacrificed.

The Margonites-> Pros; have powerful forces, bosses from all 10 professions, pain in the rear to kill, monks that acctually heal. Cons; many were destoryed along with abbadon, so lacking in numbers, stuck in the realm of torment again.

The Forgotten-> Pros; Powerful and diverse classes with many strong attacks. Cons; like the mursaat, would be less powerful without their enchanted armors.

The Shadow Army-> Pros; units are acctualy an army with a lot of battle experiance against another god's army. Can be rather annoying. Cons; Leave expoitable corpses,are focusing on efforts in the Fissure of Woe.

Also I am excluding The sunspears, the ascalonian army, Rurik's Vanguard, and Deldriemore. mainly because they have far too much player interferiance. And yes, I have a bit of bias when it comes to some of theses, eg the kurzicks and luxons, so forgive me.

Also if anyone wants to add any pros/cons feel free to do so.

the Kurzicks or Luxons will win, depending on which one can bring their Base Defenders into the battle first.

Luxon/Kurzick Base defense FTW!!!

Ziashen are PvP. PvP kills PvE so Ziashen would ownd them all.
If not Ziashen then the Orrians a they had the gods on their side

Bazzr Dustwing > Everything else in the known GW Universe imho.

I'll just pretend i didnt hear this conceited and misplaced comment.
As for the thread, i think the Afflicted would have a very high chance of winning because of their numbers, their explosions, the ease to create them and their strong leader (shiro). But in reality the dredge would win because when the fight would begin, they'd dug themselves in altrdy^^.

Stop with the "___ pwnz" and sarcastic Bazzr comment please.
I think it'd be Abaddon's army, margonites+titans (Shadow army is still menzies, doesnt count)+torment demons. Good game Mursaat. Shiroken and undead are "backup" I suppose.

The Horde of Darkness would be able to easily stop the shiro'ken because they are imune to all damage except burning and Junundu(sp?) Siege.

r the titans a choice?

The titans are not a choice because they are not an army, rather a group of monsters, like Elementals.

I would consider them an army. Even Glint calls them an army.

I would think they are an army. Also, they seems to be resistant to Spectral Agony, like the Eidiolon.]

Abbadon's full army still destroys anything else. Margonite Anur anyone?

I think it would come down to the Titans and the Torment Demons. And if you include the the Titan Abominations with the Torment Demons then I think they'd end up with the upper hand.

I'd say the mursaat

mursaat monks (tanks) ftw

Remember, at the end of Iron Mines? You watch the Mursaat eles just rip through the stone summit? Yeah....I just have memories of them gliding over the group of summit that just spanked by Spectral + lightning spike.
GG

Mursaat FTW.

Or the ghostly Sunspears....Daryl the quick was a beast in Jokanur Diggings mish as a runner.

I don't count the titans as an army because they follow no marching orders. They have no leaders, no chain of command. They take orders from no one really. So Titans(for this board at leas) do not count as an army. And now I'll admit that spectrail agony does kill most people, but what happens when you take away all the monster skills and just leave all the armies there with skills that any player could use? Then who would win?

...........................

The Titans take command from the Titan Lords. They have an order- To destroy Tyria by attacking the central towns in each kingdom. The whole point of the Titan Quests is to take down the Titan Lords who are commanding.....the Titan Army. They may have the appearence of mindless monsters but if you look closer they are just like every other army.

Opps, quite sorry. I've beaten the game with my necro, but never done the titan quests^^" sorry bout that.

Lore wise I prefer think the titans would win (my opinion, no real reasoning here)

Game play wise, Mursaat > all. Spectral Agony is like one of the most broken abilities. The monk mursaat boss could probably solo Mallyx

Abaddon's army, they like triggered all these events didnt they?

What would work better.

The invulnerable Horde of Darkness or the "I will melt you with Spectral Agony before you even touch me" Mursaat?

I'd go with the Mursaat just in terms of how long it takes to kill their targets.

...on the other hand, some Charr could hide in the back of the army and conjure another Searing...though it is quite suggested that the Titans gave them that power, and as such technically the Titans would be destroying everyone.

Mursaat would win in my opinion.

But lets not forget the jade brotherhood, remember hardmode, they prove to be sturdy fellows.

A tie between the Mursaat (Have you ever experienced Spectral Agony without any infused pieces of armor?) and the Luxons/Kurzicks (Base Defense is quite the powerful ability)