Which Army would win?
KalleDamos
Man, everyone seems to like the mursaat..but without the spectrail agony, they would be pathetic and easily crushed by just about any other army. Take away the Monster Skills and make it even playing feild, hen who would win?
eightyfour-onesevenfive
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Remember, at the end of Iron Mines? You watch the Mursaat eles just rip through the stone summit? Yeah....I just have memories of them gliding over the group of summit that just spanked by Spectral + lightning spike.
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Especially I remember how I did the bonus there with a complete team of uninfused henchmen, without a single death. Spectral agony really isn't that scary. Some half-decent monking can hold up with that. I also remember the mursaat being bombed to smithereens by the Dwarven catapult ice ships. And that's the Mursaat's main flaw: They die way too easily.
In the end I think the Undead would prevail. They come in very large numbers and now with Joko they have a leader again. They also have quite a few units with decent skillbars, especially now with the Awakened. Minion Masters (from Prophecies), Bonder Monks, Resurrects, Interrupts... it's all there.
Turbobusa
and Edenial...
yeah the undead army is very strong
As for spectral agony, any army with monks carrying spirit bond would defeat them.
yeah the undead army is very strong
As for spectral agony, any army with monks carrying spirit bond would defeat them.
Grand Theft Ecto
Mallyx & Lords of Anguish & Army (which is basically the entire DoA) > All :-)
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive
Especially I remember how I did the bonus there with a complete team of uninfused henchmen, without a single death. Spectral agony really isn't that scary. Some half-decent monking can hold up with that.
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Originally Posted by KalleDamos
Man, everyone seems to like the mursaat..but without the spectrail agony, they would be pathetic and easily crushed by just about any other army. Take away the Monster Skills and make it even playing feild, hen who would win?
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Removing Monster skills also removes the torment creatures ability to spawn more significantly weakening them, it also makes Margonites heal less, the demons lose there best abilitys like fingers of Chaos, Juggernaughts, Abaddon, Base defenders. and Turtles then have no attack. Giants no longer knockdown, Grasping Ghouls, Shiro, Varesh, Juukundu, etc. lose all there attack abilitys, Kournans lose their Siege ability, Cosairs lose there slow downs..... the list goes on.
Milan-V
Titans would easely beat the %@#$ out of all the army's. I mean, once you start killing, the just multiply in just as strong monsters. And do you guys remember the titan-imps, they were a complete horror.
This doesn't even inconclude their ability to "summon"(?) a searing.
This doesn't even inconclude their ability to "summon"(?) a searing.
KalleDamos
Alright, I admit, I do not like the fact that every thinks just because of one skill(that can be countered with infusion and decent monking) the Mursaat would win hands down. But you have to admit that without it they are rather helpless. And I did the math(well guildwiki did the math, I'm just quoting) but you only have -30 health degen and 100 points of dmg per second with 0 pieces of infused armor. A full set of infused armor reduces the degen to about -3 per second and the direct damage to 9 per second. And really who faces the mursaat without infusions(exlcuding those who have no idea what they are doing).
Also I would like to now clarify. I forgot about Joko for a moment, but now that I was reminded I would like to include all the undead into one catagory, that means basically mixing the undead armys of Joko(minus the wurms cause they aren't undead) and the undead orrian army into one huge Night of the Living dead that would make George Romero proud.
Also I would like to now clarify. I forgot about Joko for a moment, but now that I was reminded I would like to include all the undead into one catagory, that means basically mixing the undead armys of Joko(minus the wurms cause they aren't undead) and the undead orrian army into one huge Night of the Living dead that would make George Romero proud.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Game play wise, Mursaat > all. Spectral Agony is like one of the most broken abilities. The monk mursaat boss could probably solo Mallyx
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Willa the Unpleasant > Anything.
Pwny Ride
If say, Titans where an option as a force on their own, they would hands down win. They are still considered the most difficult of enemies to kill, and the fact that whenever a titan is killed it divides. Power in numbers. Titans have both.
eightyfour-onesevenfive
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
so -30 degen + 100 direct damage per second, and -80% speed, attack speed, and skill useage isnt scary?
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I do not say that Spectral Agony is not powerful. It is a strong weapon, no doubt about it. In a 1 on 1, any mursaat would for sure defeat most other creatures the game has to offer (anything really apart from special units like Vengeful Aatxes, Horde of Nightmare or Rotscale and the like). But this is not a fair 1 on 1 we're talking about.
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Given that this whole discussion is based on the assumption of an even playing field (levelwise), the question comes down to: "Does Spectral Agony alone compensate for the by far inferiour numbers of the Mursaat?"
I'd answer that with "No". But really, your guess is as good as mine.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive
No, it isn't. Degen caps at -10, that is 20 damage per second. Protective Spirit prevents about half of the direct damage. Even Alesia can handle a total of ~70 damage per second (only if Lina is quick enough with the prot and only if she isn't the target herself, I give you that).
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Sure other races can res but whats the big issue with res, DP, meaning they just die again but faster
A Leprechaun
My bets on the titans. If it were not for you they would have destroyed the whole of Tyria (that was their purpose.) But then again, the mursaat are pretty tough. What about a scarab army? They have a queen ^^. Also to consider, another searing could wipe out a heck of a lot of stuff and the dwarf seige weapons could do some damage.
So, yeah my moneys on titans.
~A Leprechaun~
So, yeah my moneys on titans.
~A Leprechaun~
Rainman
you forgot 1 army, the wurms >
Ahellio Nanje
Ya good point leprechaun the scarabs could totally do some damage. Especially if they were all grouped up with traps like they are with kephet AND jade scarabs (now with feast of corruption in hardmode) dug in the ground around the trappers, and a bunch of monk scarabs with same abilities as kephet. That would be one hell of a devestating army.
Also, what about the djinn. Ya I know they dont really have a leader but imagine hundreds of djinn organized under somethings leadership, just imagine the destructive capabilities of that army. Remember you usually only fight djinn 3 at a time
Also, what about the djinn. Ya I know they dont really have a leader but imagine hundreds of djinn organized under somethings leadership, just imagine the destructive capabilities of that army. Remember you usually only fight djinn 3 at a time
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive
No, it isn't. Degen caps at -10, that is 20 damage per second. Protective Spirit prevents about half of the direct damage. Even Alesia can handle a total of ~70 damage per second (only if Lina is quick enough with the prot and only if she isn't the target herself, I give you that).
I do not say that Spectral Agony is not powerful. It is a strong weapon, no doubt about it. In a 1 on 1, any mursaat would for sure defeat most other creatures the game has to offer (anything really apart from special units like Vengeful Aatxes, Horde of Nightmare or Rotscale and the like). But this is not a fair 1 on 1 we're talking about. |
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Given that this whole discussion is based on the assumption of an even playing field (levelwise), the question comes down to: "Does Spectral Agony alone compensate for the by far inferiour numbers of the Mursaat?" I'd answer that with "No". But really, your guess is as good as mine.
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Honestly there's a reason why the titans 'killed' the mursaat off-panel because they would never be able to do it on screen.
eightyfour-onesevenfive
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
The Jades inflict spectral agony on each hit.
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blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive
That is incorrect. Maybe it used to be like that, but nowadays Spectral Agony has a recharge delay of 15 seconds and Jade Armors and Jade Bows don't use it at all.
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Look on the talk page for Spectral Agony on wiki (near the bottom, I don't know how to link to certain parts on a page). I'm not the only person saying it
Sophitia Leafblade
I have seen spectual agony been Cast by Jades, but from reading the page its very possible Anet changed this secretly in an update over the times. So nice find there
eightyfour-onesevenfive
I stand corrected. /bowhead
Well, this changes just about everything. It's quite a big difference whether a couple of fragile casters use a skill every 15 seconds, (no matter how devestating that skill is, they would eventually succumb to superior numbers), or if it is applied with each hit of the physical units, too.
Well, this changes just about everything. It's quite a big difference whether a couple of fragile casters use a skill every 15 seconds, (no matter how devestating that skill is, they would eventually succumb to superior numbers), or if it is applied with each hit of the physical units, too.
ivan.alicard
you guys left out the most destructive army! the 55 monk bots at granite and hotspring! they have made that 2 place their outpost and is raising money to take over >.<
Mister O
Shiro, Lich and Shadow army belong to Abbaddon
son of lulu
I think the ice imps would destroy everyone because they would snare everyone before they got to them snd or mind freeze spike you....<_<
KalleDamos
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Shiro, Lich and Shadow army belong to Abbaddon
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Hey_homies
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I'm sorry but for the purposes of this thread, Shiro has his own army, as does the lich. The shadow army belongs to Menzies, not Abbaddon. Just because they fought with him, does not make them his.
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Paul Mahdi
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Originally Posted by Hey_homies
Shiro's army do belong to abaddon because Abaddon gave shiro those powers
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...but for the purposes of this thread, Shiro has his own army...
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Although, I'd think that the Kurzicks and Luxons would probably team up again if they realized quickly that they were pretty much screwed if they stood by themselves. (I'm pretty sure that, alone, they're the weak links in a giant battle. They're extremely easy to kill minus the juggernauts and turtles which take slightly more effort)
In fact i think the only way any of the armies could defeat the titans would have to be if they teamed up with at least one other force for some reason, seeing as how the titans probably wouldn't turn to anyone for help. (I'm just assuming this because they seem like they'd be very stuck up about how powerful they think they are.)
KalleDamos
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Originally Posted by Hey_homies
Shiro's army do belong to abaddon because Abaddon gave shiro those powers
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Free Runner
So really your setting rules to the battle like:
1. Each army is alone (for instance Shiros Army would not be linked with Abaddons)
2. Each armys special ablities are taken away (Mursaat lose Spectral Agony,Torment Demons lose Call to the Torment ect)
In that case my answer for who would win is Abaddons Army win (Not including Shiro or The Lich). He has Torment Demons,Margonites and Titans all in one. Palawa Jokos Army before their defeat would be my second choice.
1. Each army is alone (for instance Shiros Army would not be linked with Abaddons)
2. Each armys special ablities are taken away (Mursaat lose Spectral Agony,Torment Demons lose Call to the Torment ect)
In that case my answer for who would win is Abaddons Army win (Not including Shiro or The Lich). He has Torment Demons,Margonites and Titans all in one. Palawa Jokos Army before their defeat would be my second choice.
Willow O Whisper
shiro no doubt that guy is a psycho+ The man is a envoy wich means he get unlimited supply of warriors, by reaping the souls from the mists and creating either Bound shiro'ken or affilifacted. In war numbers allways count.
KalleDamos
Very true that numbers count. That is why money still lies with the undead forces. They have access to warriors who have just died and what not, so they would have an advantage there.
FlyLokiFLy
Charr Would Win, because They are Teh Leet =]
Hundred Blades
I'd have to say the Charr or Mursaat would win, seeing as though the Charr were powerful enough to nearly wipe out Ascalon, and the Mursaat would kill nearly anyone that is not infused which is probably most of the other armies, so they really wouldnt have much of a chance, Charr also have very large numbers, as we witness when we go over the wall in Pre.
Elena
i'd go for palawa joko and his undead we dont even know what skills or how powerful oure undead joko is
plus i like him cause he insults Zhed
plus i like him cause he insults Zhed
draxynnic
If we're removing monster-only abilities, I think people are underestimating Glint's Forgotten - especially if they get Crystal Spiders/Guardians along with appropriate elites. Heck, the Spiders and Guardians are dangerous enough even without elites until you get used to them, and Enchanted Bows have that nasty "we'll Daze you then blind you, now whatcha gonna do?" combination. (I know Afflicted Rangers can pull off that combo as well, but they just didn't seem to be as good at it as the Enchanted Bows.)
Sophitia Leafblade
One of the Human armys would Win, after all it only took 8 humans to take down a god. (Imagine what an army of humans could do!) Of Which the Battle hardened Ascalon Army or its Far Shiverpeak offshoot would probally be the strongest Army (since they are highly experienced and battle hardened) although the Luxons with there impressive Seige machinary would give them a run for their money.
Hundred Blades
8 humans to kill a god..... That is just a legend they made up for the kids at bedtime, seeing as though it takes like 13 people from the Ascalon army just to kill a Charr...Glint's Forgotten would have a big chance though, with their combined powers.
Elementer Masta
If it's an option, I vote for Mallyx and the Lords of Anguish. I honestly think they would mow down everyone else. If that's not choose-able, I believe the Charr would just overwhelm everyone else with sheer numbers. Maybe even have some mages in the back conjuring another Searing. I don't think that's possible though, as I remember Bonfaaz Burntfur as one of the overseers of the searing, and he's sorta dead..
Barrett
Charr FTW! ^^
Vermilion Okeanos
I think the afflicted would win, if we go by game stats.
The explosion thing would take out the opponent even after death, and it is armor ignoring as well. The more you kill them, the more they hurt you. How many of those army's monk got protective spirit anyway? The army with protective spirit probably win.
If we add in story elements too, anyone who fought afflicted and die, also turn into afflicted. It is endless.
The explosion thing would take out the opponent even after death, and it is armor ignoring as well. The more you kill them, the more they hurt you. How many of those army's monk got protective spirit anyway? The army with protective spirit probably win.
If we add in story elements too, anyone who fought afflicted and die, also turn into afflicted. It is endless.
gnome
You people discount the shadow army alot considering how much aoe they have (and that we r not counting monster skills(?)). Hell, the eles in DoA even have meteor shower and sf. Rangers with barrage, wars with 100 blades.....the mesmers in nf have lots of anti melee and shatter ench (theres goes prot spirit) and the monks have WoH so any more than 1 are a pain in the butt to kill. They even have those evil necs with either ss or depravity draining everyones energy (learned that from fighting the mob on the way to farahlon). the abyssals r a pain (killing a caster in 3 hits as it says on wiki) with all the kd and the deep wound. they even have an aoe kd! Also, they have Menzies behind them, a kickass half-brother of balthazar who is most likely as powerful as seen as they r still fighting in FoW. although there is a slight lack of bosses the greater darkness and the darkness make up with their lvl 30ness and nasty armor ignoring aoe dmg and energy drain. in short, they have enough aoe to take out a huge number of foes and relatively good survival (iway on wars/WoH). even if you dont think they could win, they are certainly a strong contender.
willypiggy
Shiroken or maybe afflicted... just the amount of them. otherwise Abbadon would come, someone would dance, everyone would die.