Update July 17th

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

Quote:
Originally Posted by liner
i get disconnected when trying to hop from .eu to .am servers.

Anyway, this change to the party window is horrible. You are literally forced to use it!
1) party window now no longer accepts vertical resizing
2) trade channel now gets flooded with useless "party search" messages (
3) trade-seeking window still wont let you enter a decent sentence, just a very limited number of characters. ((
AGreed on this, you cant describe anything anymore, the trade term WTS or WTB becamne quite useless, as they cut short the message. The amount of characters must be set free, and when u hover on an item of interest in the party search shown at full in a pop up window.

AT first I was thrilled by them mentioning it, but the actual implementation is horrible. I hope this is not the way the intended it to work.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayelyyb
Curse you i like the idea of the possible kick buttons but i do see flaw.most runners will tell u to pay say on droks run say 3k per run pay 1k snake dance 1k camp rankor 1k at droks or something close to that now what keeps them from taking ur 1k at snakedance and kicking you?
What keeps them from taking the gold and just leaving the game?

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
AGreed on this, you cant describe anything anymore, the trade term WTS or WTB becamne quite useless, as they cut short the message. The amount of characters must be set free, and when u hover on an item of interest in the party search shown at full in a pop up window.

AT first I was thrilled by them mentioning it, but the actual implementation is horrible. I hope this is not the way the intended it to work.
Just wait until the...lfg WTS Blah blah blah 100k+X

Greedy Gus

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

Breaking obs mode, removing the ability to vertically resize party bar, randomly rearranging buttons: just a bad update all round, rollback plx.

aka

DO NOT WANT.

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Okay, my take on the update:

Positive:
Uh, freaking huge map... still oogling.



Negative:

1.Instead of random wts wts omfg wts spam, we now have organized spam starting with "party search: xyz"...
ANet, please... first you did the right thing, now you artificially make spam even more annoying then ever. WTF?!?
It also does not make party search better or more popular in any way, just more annoying.

2. Party Bar fixed/auto resize:
Add a toggle please, or remove, some people used fixed size party windows since day 1, and now their screen layout gets screwed by a so-so improvement. I see some benefit to this, but this has the mentioned considerable drawbacks.


BTW: Thanks for fixing Euro server lag.

Xenex Xclame

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

R/

@ Kayelyyb , runners that want to keep running will not do this,cause people would go and spam beacons sayin person X is a scammer.
Like curse has said, you probably need multiple votes to be able to kick.

@omniclasm Reputation, like said above runners that want to keep running wont do this, the guy however that wants to make a quick buck to buy that armor will however.Nothing you can do about these, but they are 1 in a 100, so its ok.

Of course you only get runs from known runners.
Its MUCH easier to get scammed as the runner then it is to be scammed by the person being runned, especially missing out on that last 1K at droks,but this is a risk runners know and take.

Arya Nibelrund

Arya Nibelrund

McLovin!!!

Join Date: Aug 2005

Farming Zaishen [keYs]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy Gus
Breaking obs mode, removing the ability to vertically resize party bar, randomly rearranging buttons: just a bad update all round, rollback plx.

aka

DO NOT WANT.
QFT. Especiallly the party window update is pretty bad.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Kalibanov
Personally I hate the new party list. As a monk I find it very awkward. I particularly don't like the collapsible ally area. If you accidentally click on the area between the party and the allies, the allies list disappears -- then gg if you were trying to infuse the ghostly.

I also despise the party list resizing. I find this distracting and it upsets my aim when I'm trying to click on someone.

Please give us the option of putting this back the way it was.
Agreed, the collapse i dont mind too much (yet) but the reason u mention is important, maybe only collapse when u punch the + sign, not the blacked out area.

MirageMaster

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

Update has its problems as i see it but over all it got me exited about the game again.Thank you Anet.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

One possible reason for the large size is that they are shipping the vaunted graphics update to the game. You can already see some of the new fire effects--for example, in the southwest corner of Sunjiang District (explorable) in the Am Fah-filled place that has burning ruins and smoldering embers. While there, note also the new Turok-like fog effect. I could post screenshots, but it would be more convincing to see for yourselves.

The entire game has become darker. They should tweak the lighting a bit because there are several areas in the game (check out the Undercity) that are far too dark now.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

use the gamma option to make visibility in dark areas better

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

Not a Big update (in terms of content currently available) and yet a HUGE update file wise but still a very good one from Anet Im glad they finally weakened RoT somewhat, maybe i might actually get around to completing the Mallynx mission so they ive completed Every available quest atleast once with my Ranger. The Party search and Party window updates were long over due, although not perfect yet there a step ion the right direction. *Thumbs up* Nice 1 Anet

TheBaron82

TheBaron82

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

The update was good, but I like the old party bar, please make an option for me to turn it back to what it used to be.

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

The party serch needs a rethink altogether, it started as a shakey building and they havn't repeaired it well. Imo Knock it down for a major rethink, i dont think anyone will miss it. Yes ive turned to W.T.S for now so i can fit more than 3 chars in a sentence i mean whats up with cutting off half your message?

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diddy bow
The party serch needs a rethink altogether, it started as a shakey building and they havn't repeaired it well. Imo Knock it down for a major rethink, i dont think anyone will miss it. Yes ive turned to W.T.S for now so i can fit more than 3 chars in a sentence i mean whats up with cutting off half your message?
eh party search is actually quite good for actually searching for a party.

NiukNiuk

NiukNiuk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

France

P/

Is this a new graphical option? didn't notice it until this morning:


Also it seems that they finally fixed the "bug" when taking screenshots without interface while fighting: previously, when you took a screenshot "without the game interface" (shift+print screen for example) while fighting, the "damage numbers" still appeared on the screenshot...now everything is back like before.
Thanks !

impression

impression

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Kalibanov
Personally I hate the new party list. As a monk I find it very awkward. I particularly don't like the collapsible ally area. If you accidentally click on the area between the party and the allies, the allies list disappears -- then gg if you were trying to infuse the ghostly.

I also despise the party list resizing. I find this distracting and it upsets my aim when I'm trying to click on someone.

Please give us the option of putting this back the way it was.
/agree

There should always be given the option to toggle this kind of things on/off.

Have fun,
impression

Gawa

Gawa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

[Oldschool Respect and Honour]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diddy bow
The party serch needs a rethink altogether ... ive turned to W.T.S for now so i can fit more than 3 chars in a sentence i mean whats up with cutting off half your message?
Im looking at party search right now in LA 1 and there are 20 trade ads in party search; 3 guilds and 3 missions. Every one of them makes clear sense.

eg

WTS 30hp for hammer..4k
WTB 30 steel ingots
wts perfect green req 9 kanaxai
WTS perfect flatbow offer pls
wtb gothic axe
wts icey axe haft
wts ancient scythe Q9 10k
sell thorn wolf, Palawa Joko 70k
wts barbed feathered longbow
wts gold eternal shield 15k
wts mini Rurik, WTS mini mallyx

And so on. So you are being nowhere near accurate when you say you cant fit more than 3 characters in a sentence.

It is nice to be able to see trade items without scrolling. Ill definately be looking first to party search for trade items. It is also going to get more people using party for other aspects as well which is good. I also like that the party window resizes automatically.
Misc - not sure if its my imagination, but the graphics look better or more vivid colours or something..

Decent improvement thanks ANet.

Traveller

Traveller

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Finland

League of Extraordinary Explorers [LOST] (my one man guild)

Me/

So you don't really mind that people can't describe their items more detailed than, say "Perfect flatbow" or "gold eternal shield" ? To me, this creates an unnecessary brouhaha of people spamming the seller with "tell me the stats" and "can I see" when you could just write the stats down if there were more space to the chat window.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

The new chat thing is horrible. Now I have to go back to using W T S instead of WTS, which is more than a little bit stupid. So basically, trade has gone from people selling how they want, to...this?

1) WTS/WTB automatically swapped from Local to Trade
2) WTS/WTB completely removed from Local with bans if you do it
3) WTS/WTB messages cut to more than half length and automatically put into Party Search

I'm SURE this wasn't what people wanted when they were asking for an Auction House...for the last 2 years...

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

The messages getting cut in half is annoying, but if you're looking for a specific item, it's not too much bother to whisper the person and ask for the stats. I'm glad the search thing is actually useful now, it's a lot easier than having to scroll upwards in a constantly updating flow of crap just to see if a person actually said what you think they did.

Koning

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

couldn't try the party window updates yet, but I can say I really like the update on DoA! Now I can only hope there will be no more cookie cutter crap. Oh, and probably the gem prices will also drop even more? At least titans I think.

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Well, maybe all of you here are just ranting, but I am not. GG A-net. I love this update. Party Windows is great, just the thing I wanted. I hated when you go to some mission with 8 people and after it, go to town and that big window is still there, but with only you in it, rest of it empty. So now I don't have to resize it. And I like Party Search too, I don't see why all of you are complaining, I was never in situation in which I can't put everything I want to write in it. People that are interested will now whisper or open trade with you and that's it.
So... /highfive Anet

SilentAssassin

SilentAssassin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

Remnants of Ascalon, KT alliance

R/N

this is an awesome idea

1) they need to adjust party discription length
2) they need to give the ability to have more at the same time

if they do this then this is an awesome system no? then you can just scroll through what everyone is selling and see if you need something.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Ok this has probably been discussed before but just to register my unhappiness:

There's a Spanish District, French District, German and Italian Districts...and a COMMON DISTRICT?

wtf?

COMMON????

WHERE did "English" go?

Not happy on that one ANet.

gogo International District!

Dione Davore

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/E

It's not cool that you can't write down all the information needed in the party search.

Tachyon

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Ok this has probably been discussed before but just to register my unhappiness:

There's a Spanish District, French District, German and Italian Districts...and a COMMON DISTRICT?

wtf?

COMMON????

WHERE did "English" go?

Not happy on that one ANet.

gogo International District!
I'd have thought with you being a Jock that you'd be happy about that! Although I do have to agree with you though, I want my English district back!

I guess ANet don't realise that being called 'Common' is a slight insult in over here!

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azagoth
I'd have thought with you being a Jock that you'd be happy about that! Although I do have to agree with you though, I want my English district back!

I guess ANet don't realise that being called 'Common' is a slight insult in over here!
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Well actually, don't let the info under my avatar fool you. I live in Inverness, I was actually born and bred in Yorkshire, lad! Eee Bah Gum!

Remember: If it's not from Yorkshire, it's *****!

And yes, the first thing i though of when I say "common district 1" was insults we used to throw around years ago at school. I seriously think they should alter the name...preferably change it back.

Lorekeeper

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

all these cosmetic changes to trade channels.. WTB/WTS filters... trade spam bans etc etc

it doesnt affect me that much since i do not farm or trade to make my gold. But surely all of these tedious nonsense would have been avoided if GW actually had a adequate trading mechanic to support the player driven economy that it was always meant to have. It really is no suprise that some people abused the chat channels to sell their items or to find items... not everyone has the patience to sit in kamadan or Ascalon for hours on end to buy or sell something.

Because GW has never had a proper centralised trade mechanism... like an ''auction house'' for want of a better term, its been victim to all these numerous cosmetic changes that just remind everyone what the game is truly lacking.

i have the utmost admiration for people who have the patience to sit in the most populated towns and spam their items in trade chat all day long. And i have sympathy for the fact that their attempts to advertise their items has been so horribly affected by this update.

And please. Instead of taking away functionality like user ability to customise party window size, why not just allow the option to allow the game to resize the window.

/sigh

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

I'm easy going, I'll adept to anything.


As for being common..well if the shoe fits Anet

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

The new map is pretty yet not pretty.

Those who own several campaigns will notice - Tyria and Cantha used a realistic art style for the map, and Elona used a slightly cartoonier one. Tyria is now battling between the realistic Prophecies areas and the new cartoony sections.

Anyone notice where Orr would be has been redone to have the new cartoony look? DOES THIS MEAN SOMETHING?

Oh, and that Ring of Fire-type island in the top left is SOOO where the big bad guy will be.

Took me a while to dl...but it was...worth it? Not really. Just for the pretty map.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

Meh on most of it. I'm neutral.

On the common district.. it did make me go "huh?" at first, but on reflection if it stops the asshat bigots I keep seeing abusing non English speaking people for being on the wrong server (!) then I'm all for it. Can't abide obnoxious morons that seem to think the English district is strictly for English speakers, there's plenty of Dutch and Scandanavian players that don't have dedicated districts, and probably don't want to go to deserted ID outposts.

Hobbs

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

Quote:
wts perfect req 9 kanaxai
That does not make sense, kanaxai what? edge, axe, mallet, I dunno.

All in all I like the party window changes except for the collapsable thing, but I appreciate how it could be annoying for some. Didn't have the moved around window trouble so I can't really comment on that.

Ty Anet.

DeBron

DeBron

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

MD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka
That does not make sense, kanaxai what? edge, axe, mallet, I dunno.

All in all I like the party window changes except for the collapsable thing, but I appreciate how it could be annoying for some. Didn't have the moved around window trouble so I can't really comment on that.

Ty Anet.
DUR! It's obviously a perfect req.9 Kanaxai minipet.

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Anyway, there are some issues I need to share with you, for instance, graphical bugs like:[LIST][*]Changes to the position of the interface elements
Ahaha, i knew it, the postion of the interface *windows* is a bug!

It hasn't been fixed yet though, and i believe the other issuies have....

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miral
eh party search is actually quite good for actually searching for a party.
Thats true but if you create you own party in say HA, its to small to fit in what 7 profs and piticular builds you need.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawa
WTS 30hp for hammer..4k
WTB 30 steel ingots
wts perfect green req 9 kanaxai
WTS perfect flatbow offer pls
wtb gothic axe
wts icey axe haft
wts ancient scythe Q9 10k
sell thorn wolf, Palawa Joko 70k
wts barbed feathered longbow
wts gold eternal shield 15k
wts mini Rurik, WTS mini mallyx
And thats what im talking about, "perfect flatbow"? you cant fit a half decent discription in. 15^50?, +5 enregy? 20/20? And for items with a long name like fethered flatbow you can barley fit a price. cant rly shorten it down to FF. Mabay feth flat? but whos gonna know what that means :P. Its like trying to write a text message without a proper "language".

TheYellowKid

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mina Sucks [Blz]

k is it just me or did they swap the leave and kick buttons.. is well annoying, i dont usually look before i click and have managed to leave the team im in about 4 times today.

They also messed with the way you select hero's afai can tell, if you dont click on the arrow instead of opening the dropdown it selects when u let go. not a prob.. first issue is tho

AnnaCloud9

AnnaCloud9

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Minnesota

Well if you're bored, then you're boring!

R/

If I am selling something that requires a lengthy description, I always go to party chat, type in my descriptive message about the item, hit enter, register it in the chat string, then if anyone asks for the stats, it's as easy as clicking their name and arrow up.

Wallah.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Hey, guys,

I may repeat myself. Forgive me if I do, but not everyone reads the full thread, right?

I've relayed your comments about the text limitations in the Party Search / Trade window to the programmers who work on the game interface and they're going to take a stab at making some changes. There are text limitations, and some of them need to stay, but the idea they're working with might address that limitation very nicely. We know this is an important issue to you, and it'll be given key attention and will hopefully be changed soon.

The interface changes that I've seen remarked about most are the change to the party window, so that you can't extend and compress it, and the placement of the different windows. (And, sometimes, those sub-windows being resized.) We will be sure to point to this thread in the Community Summary, so that the designers can read your input on the changes. Clear, concise, I like this, I don't care for this and would suggest [this alternative] is very appreciated, as it allows the designers to read through quickly and really see the crux of your comments.

The changes to the UI that made the territories appears to be accessible via the upper-left drop-down menu was an error on our part. It was something that a couple of designers were experimenting with, and as you can see, it was not functional, which is why you got an Err 7 when you tried to hope districts. It's all tidied now, I just wanted you to know some info about that.

Players have asked that we not update the game in the middle of our tournament series. However, since the ATS runs 24/7, it would be impossible for us to work around that schedule. I have relayed to the dev team that this is a player concern. However, game updates must come first and we cannot set the timetable for updates – especially emergency updates – based on tournament games. We will do what we can to avoid interruptions whenever possible but will need to roll updates when they’re ready. Thanks for understanding.

As I said, this thread will be linked from the CS, so thanks for your constructive comments and suggestions!

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

Thanks for the update, ms. Gray.

Please do take a look at the skill anomalies found after the update, too. Things like the Vampirism spirit's life steal losing connection to the SS title and similar, I think they are listed in the bugs section of the forum. Possibly, a glitch or two manifested, god knows 500+ megs of data are bound to have those too

I would like to add that I like the new party window, although I must also admit that I haven't tried to monk with it yet. While it changes constantly, it changes consistently. Previously, I sometimes got things all messed up with a large party and an application to join the party.