Hair Stylists?
T1Cybernetic
I wish i could change my character's hair's and appearance's too but i dont see this happening 
shame too as it would be a welcome addition to the game.
LobsterMobster
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Originally Posted by RSGashapon
Oooh, I didn't read that all the way through the first time. Oops.
Yeah, seems it would be fairly easy to do then. So why haven't they done it? Perhaps it's not so easy. Maybe instead of changing each character's stats in each area, they just swapped around the art asset files in those cities. They've already shown that they can make location-specific appearance changes, like at Rollerbeetle Racing.
Yeah, seems it would be fairly easy to do then. So why haven't they done it? Perhaps it's not so easy. Maybe instead of changing each character's stats in each area, they just swapped around the art asset files in those cities. They've already shown that they can make location-specific appearance changes, like at Rollerbeetle Racing.
Faceless Pyrus
I think it would be fine as long as it's only limited to hair. No changing height, skin tone, face, etc.
Also, make prices relative to how they are in real life. It would cost less to change your hair style than your hair color. And maybe it would cost more to get an exotic style (i.e. a Tyrian character getting an Elonian hair style.)
Also, make prices relative to how they are in real life. It would cost less to change your hair style than your hair color. And maybe it would cost more to get an exotic style (i.e. a Tyrian character getting an Elonian hair style.)
guildwars101
i agree and i wonder by changing appearance if they could make it so you could change any aspect of your characters like gender hair face height after the character is made cuz i wanna change someof my PvE chars but i cant
NeHoMaR
Remember hats? Believe it or not, hats are actually HAIR, yes hair, try to put the head of any character under water and you will see it without hair, he/she just have a hole in head for the hair or hat; When wearing a hat, hair is removed and hat replace it using exactly the same spot of the hair. Right now all characters are able to wear everything in head, including all hairs obviously, even for other gender and professions, that is already implemented in game; Just a minor develop is needed for professionally add the feature to game, for example fix hats/hairs for don't overwrite helmet stats, add all hairs as hats if needed, preview window for hats/hairs, etc.
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Originally Posted by LobsterMobster
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Perhaps it's not so easy. Maybe instead of changing each character's stats in each area, they just swapped around the art asset files in those cities.
Hmmm! that look too hard for a fool day joke.
Lady Lozza
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Originally Posted by LobsterMobster
Perhaps it's not so easy. Maybe instead of changing each character's stats in each area, they just swapped around the art asset files in those cities. They've already shown that they can make location-specific appearance changes, like at Rollerbeetle Racing.
I'm imagining the April Fool's Day worked something like this:
female hair001.var (--->) male hair001.texture
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And so on for the entire list of options available.
Just an extra little reference file to give us all a different look, a file which once removed would turn things back to normal.
It's not the same as what people are asking to be done.
I'm not going to claim how much more difficult the task may be, because honestly I've no idea how or where they store all the character variables. I would be taking a wild guess if I said that writing only occurrs to the game (specifically the character) DB on character creation (presumably for security reasons) and therefore it might very well be "impossible" for them to implement a (permenant) hair/face/skin changer without "breaking" the "security" of their DB.
female hair001.var (--->) male hair001.texture
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And so on for the entire list of options available.
Just an extra little reference file to give us all a different look, a file which once removed would turn things back to normal.
It's not the same as what people are asking to be done.
I'm not going to claim how much more difficult the task may be, because honestly I've no idea how or where they store all the character variables. I would be taking a wild guess if I said that writing only occurrs to the game (specifically the character) DB on character creation (presumably for security reasons) and therefore it might very well be "impossible" for them to implement a (permenant) hair/face/skin changer without "breaking" the "security" of their DB.
DarkWasp
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Originally Posted by Faceless Pyrus
I think it would be fine as long as it's only limited to hair. No changing height, skin tone, face, etc.
Also, make prices relative to how they are in real life. It would cost less to change your hair style than your hair color. And maybe it would cost more to get an exotic style (i.e. a Tyrian character getting an Elonian hair style.) Lets just hope if it's added, they dont make it require some rare object that is hard to obtian and driven WAY up in price by eBayers.
Also, make prices relative to how they are in real life. It would cost less to change your hair style than your hair color. And maybe it would cost more to get an exotic style (i.e. a Tyrian character getting an Elonian hair style.) Lets just hope if it's added, they dont make it require some rare object that is hard to obtian and driven WAY up in price by eBayers.
Dashface
Rhedd
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
female hair001.var (--->) male hair001.texture
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And so on for the entire list of options available.
Just an extra little reference file to give us all a different look, a file which once removed would turn things back to normal.
It's not the same as what people are asking to be done.
I'm not going to claim how much more difficult the task may be, because honestly I've no idea how or where they store all the character variables. I would be taking a wild guess if I said that writing only occurrs to the game (specifically the character) DB on character creation (presumably for security reasons) and therefore it might very well be "impossible" for them to implement a (permenant) hair/face/skin changer without "breaking" the "security" of their DB.
Somehow I doubt it.
I'm not one of the people saying that hairstylists are so easy they have no right not to do it, but I certainly wouldn't expect it to be impossible.
LobsterMobster
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Originally Posted by Rhedd
Somehow I doubt it.
I'm not one of the people saying that hairstylists are so easy they have no right not to do it, but I certainly wouldn't expect it to be impossible. I don't know how they've structured their art assets, but it could be as simple as moving the contents of one directory to another, serverside. I'd agree it'd be easier to just swap the gender if that's all that happened, but it wasn't. They also changed hair and skin tones. Maybe male and female colors aren't parallel?
If they let people change their gender and height, maybe they should force them to have their armor remade, since the logic behind armor being untradeable is that it's custom fit for each individual.
Lady Lozza
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Originally Posted by Rhedd
Somehow I doubt it.
I'm not one of the people saying that hairstylists are so easy they have no right not to do it, but I certainly wouldn't expect it to be impossible. Rhedd, that is also possible. I don't know how each section of the character model is generated. Could be a number of ways:
1) head = ..., body = ...
2) gender = ..., head = ...
You are right in that if gender is referenced in the character build, AND it effects which skins the head, body, and armour show, which would honestly be an easier system, then they would have had basically one line of code.
My point however, was that it would have been one line/one file or both. What people are actually asking for is for DB changes, which are another matter altogether. If people want their "stats" changed for good they would have to go into whatever DB they use for storing character properties.
It can be said almost for certain that the DB work with a character reference number. Anymore than that would be a wild guess. I would GUESS that face choice, height, skin tone, hair, hair colour, and name are all stored in a table somewhere on the server. It wouldn't suprise me if they were all stored in the SAME table - afterall they have (up till now) been the attributes that couldn't be changed after creation. My GUESS is that, for security reasons, this DB is only writable DURING CHARACTER CREATION. Which would make it difficult (not impossible) to change. And might make it "impossible" WITHOUT BREAKING their system.
As I've said a number of times when discussing the various technical aspects that some players seem to think are "sooo easy", I honestly don't know how their system is set up - I can only guess at how, and I can only guess why it is that way. If my basic premises are correct, I can see a work-around, somewhat similar to what I suspect they did during April Fool's day, however I imagine it would take quite a bit of modification to implement.
Hairstylist impossible? No. Easy? Not necessarily. Do I want one? Yeah, it'd be pretty cool, but I'd like it to stop at hair. Plastic surgeons and tanning salons are not needed.
Radioactive Panda
Here's an idea:
If you don't like the hair stylist, don't use it.
If you don't like the hair stylist, don't use it.
LobsterMobster
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Originally Posted by Radioactive Panda
Here's an idea:
If you don't like the hair stylist, don't use it. oh noez but then the n00bs that want a haircut are still on my intarwebs using all my bandwidth!
If you don't like the hair stylist, don't use it. oh noez but then the n00bs that want a haircut are still on my intarwebs using all my bandwidth!
Age
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Originally Posted by Faceless Pyrus
I think it would be fine as long as it's only limited to hair. No changing height, skin tone, face, etc.
Also, make prices relative to how they are in real life. It would cost less to change your hair style than your hair color. And maybe it would cost more to get an exotic style (i.e. a Tyrian character getting an Elonian hair style.) Why not the height as well as I wouldn't mind changing some of my char height?
Also, make prices relative to how they are in real life. It would cost less to change your hair style than your hair color. And maybe it would cost more to get an exotic style (i.e. a Tyrian character getting an Elonian hair style.) Why not the height as well as I wouldn't mind changing some of my char height?
White knight lord
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Originally Posted by White knight lord
I personally think it would be dumb, just another NPC waste of space as I see it,and if they do this you know someone will want to change their chars face (aka plastic surgery in r/l),skin color(aka tanning in r/l),or size (working out or dieting in r/l),its just a game folks its there to play not to change your chars, if you want to change your char go play the SIMS.
Many people are predictable
DarkWasp
This happens every time.
We got the people who like their characters who say... Why would I need to change me hair?
Then we got the people who don't like their characters and are willing to kill for a new cut.
And if you aren't debating on that matter, you're probably debating how hard it would be to implement.
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Well heres what I gotta say
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I like my character's and think I gave them a fine choice of hair, all of them. However, I REALLY want to see a stylist added to the game.
1. Because I realise that i'm not the only person playing
2. Because I like new things
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3. Who knows, maybe i'll like their options better
And i'd like to appolgise in advance to all you haircutter-haters... I'm sure it'll hurt when you trip over that one extra NPC on the way to your storage.
Oh, and in the high def ign game demo video, is that another new style on that paragon?
NOW! As for adding it! How many of you have ever programmed? Raise your hands
In almost all cases, developers try to make the source code as easy as possible to modify. Example: HL2, has Valve Hammer. Sure it's for modders, but the developers used it to map for the game, it makes things really easy.
I imagine they made our characters all nice and editable too. They probably have record of creation date, appearance, unlocks, items .etc all in the same file or segment or whatever.
Programers also use a lot of variables to simplify things. They can tell the source to change the hair model on the character to, lets say "Hair Style 2", every time the command "Changehair2" is ordered.
Basicly, you set the situations and what to do with each one (If-Thens) into one command and the computer follows orders and changes everything. Otherwise, April 1st would have taken weeks of preparation.
Just remember that the hair stylists only have to be created and tested once, then they can be repeated. Not saying it'll work for sure, but they wont have to write a whole program for each and every one.
In short! ("Finnaly" Right?) With the resources they already had, hair stylists should be one of the easier projects. Not only easy but simple. The number of players isn't a factor either.
We got the people who like their characters who say... Why would I need to change me hair?
Then we got the people who don't like their characters and are willing to kill for a new cut.
And if you aren't debating on that matter, you're probably debating how hard it would be to implement.
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Well heres what I gotta say
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I like my character's and think I gave them a fine choice of hair, all of them. However, I REALLY want to see a stylist added to the game.
1. Because I realise that i'm not the only person playing
2. Because I like new things
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3. Who knows, maybe i'll like their options better
And i'd like to appolgise in advance to all you haircutter-haters... I'm sure it'll hurt when you trip over that one extra NPC on the way to your storage.
Oh, and in the high def ign game demo video, is that another new style on that paragon?
NOW! As for adding it! How many of you have ever programmed? Raise your hands
In almost all cases, developers try to make the source code as easy as possible to modify. Example: HL2, has Valve Hammer. Sure it's for modders, but the developers used it to map for the game, it makes things really easy.
I imagine they made our characters all nice and editable too. They probably have record of creation date, appearance, unlocks, items .etc all in the same file or segment or whatever.
Programers also use a lot of variables to simplify things. They can tell the source to change the hair model on the character to, lets say "Hair Style 2", every time the command "Changehair2" is ordered.
Basicly, you set the situations and what to do with each one (If-Thens) into one command and the computer follows orders and changes everything. Otherwise, April 1st would have taken weeks of preparation.
Just remember that the hair stylists only have to be created and tested once, then they can be repeated. Not saying it'll work for sure, but they wont have to write a whole program for each and every one.
In short! ("Finnaly" Right?) With the resources they already had, hair stylists should be one of the easier projects. Not only easy but simple. The number of players isn't a factor either.
Perfected Shadow
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Originally Posted by Faceless Pyrus
think it would be fine as long as it's only limited to hair. No changing height, skin tone, face, etc.
Why not? If they're going to implement editing of a character feature, why not implement editing of all character features? Being able to go back to the char creation screen to edit existing characters would be ftw. As said before, if you don't want to change your height, skin tone, face, etc, then do not. I don't see a reason to prevent others from editing things that you don't want to change.
stiffler
Lol I think I have more of an issue with the name I gave my Warrior rather then the look I gave him. Why not add a NPC to change your name (birth certificate). What I'm getting at is this is a can of worms best left closed, this is a little to much freedom for characters. If its just limited amount of options for hair alone then I can live with that, but whole body changes is probably taking it to far IMO.
RavenGT
Just to let you guys know, the new World of Warcraft expansion -- Wrath of the Lich King -- is going to have a hairstylist. Yeah. Good frigging game.
Perfected Shadow
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What I'm getting at is this is a can of worms best left closed, this is a little to much freedom for characters. If its just limited amount of options for hair alone then I can live with that, but whole body changes is probably taking it to far IMO.
What's wrong with the freedom of being able to change your character? And why is it taking too far? You don't have to use the option you know.
iriyabran
i would die of hapiness if there's a hairstylist
although i don't think they'll do it for us..
Neriandal Freit
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
What's wrong with the freedom of being able to change your character? And why is it taking too far? You don't have to use the option you know.
Why would you change your entire characters appearance? Honestly? That's creating a new character and still using the benefits of the old one.
Not cool. If you want to do that, you need to delete and recreate. If you want to change your current characters hair and other minor things (and I do mean minor things), then by all means, go for it.
stiffler
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
pixiLated
Oh for a hairstylist and ingame tanning salon! *dreams*
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
When I make all my chars I spend lots of time going through the character creation screen before I finally settle on a "look". With most of my chars I'm still very very happy with their appearance and at present I don't wish to change anything about them. However; when I first made my ele, I saw her as young, foolish and flighty. She is now 10 months old, has conquered 3 continents amongst other things and has "grown up" considerably imo (yup I roleplay her so sue me Now that's just my thinking and my opinion, but I think that a hairstylist npc would be a fantastic addition to the game. I'm female and it's a "girl" thing; heck I can't even keep the same hairstyle/colour for 3 months, I'd love the same freedom to change about my char. I don't want to change her face or her name, just her hair (style and colour). Ok maybe not just her hair, I'd love to be able to change her skin tone. When I made her, as I considered her Kurzick born, with pale, luminous skin she was perfect, but you can't expect a girl to go running around Elona and not get a tan! But then that's something for a whole new thread. Something else I would love to see, and I'll quote lucifer_uk here: Quote: Looking to the future, the norn have tattoos and other characters have other body mods. So maybe they should look at installing a body modification feature in GW2. Theres nothing I would like more than for my ranger to get some ink and piecings done like mine.
To be able to give my wee ele some fine ink and piercings like mine would seriously rock. Hell she has biker chick attitude, she wears as close as I can get to a biker chick combo; the ink would just seal the deal. Ok maybe just throw me in some of those awesome mesmer 15k Rogue boots for her aswell and you'll have a very happy ele
I know from this thread that there are some that consider this to be superfluous to the game, but there are a hell of a lot of us who would really love this addition for the additional depth it would bring on many levels. And so long as there isn't the ability to alter your chars appearance ingame, I shall continue to add my voice to the voices of others that would like to see this addition too. You don't want it, don't use it. But those of us that do want it will continue to ask for it.
MithranArkanere
The thread asking for them is so long that I bet they are at least considering it.
Neriandal Freit
"Hair Stylist Possible Money Sink?" one? That thread is massive, and this is just the reincarnation of it
Envious
I wouldn't mind having a hair stylist, but I really don't care if they add one or not to be honest.
Rohan
One thing I'd love to see, more than a hair changer, would be a way to change your characters name. A lot of my characters names were made a loooong time ago and I'd love to be able to change them to include the name that people call me now
Lady Lozza
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
Why not? If they're going to implement editing of a character feature, why not implement editing of all character features? Being able to go back to the char creation screen to edit existing characters would be ftw. As said before, if you don't want to change your height, skin tone, face, etc, then do not. I don't see a reason to prevent others from editing things that you don't want to change.
It is true, Shadow, that we don't have to use it. But let me explain why I feel that it is unecessary and is something which I never want to see ingame.
UNIQUE CHARACTERS. People complain all the time on these forums, how there are too many clones running around. A lot of people use very similar faces and hair styles, skin tones, and even height because they believe it is hot/smexy/pretty/beautiful. Players complain that Anet hasn't given them enough "pretty/hot" choices. We all want our characters to look beautiful and certain hair and face combinations are very popular choices. However further to this players have been beginning to discover that some armour looks better on certain hair/face/skin tone characters. By adding the ability to play merrycob with characters' appearance, there will be an increase in clones. Wearing 15k sunspear - hair/face/skin combo. Wearing 15k aero - hair/face/skin combo. It doesn't matter how much of a gold sink you make it, people will still do it. You will also have the added complication of "poor" players complaining they can't "fix" their character because it costs too much. And if they are truly using it to fix a "mistake" made during hasty character creation - then yes, in someways it would be unfair. I'm selfish. I don't want people walking around looking lilke my characters simply because their look has become the flavour of the month. I recreated my characters to look fairly unique, and I'd like it to stay that way. Certainly it means that certain armours don't look so great on my characters - the only reason that I've not bought Vabbian for my ele - but that doesn't bother me. I have a choice of other armour which does look very good on her. I'm selfish, I want to be unique, and I'm not afraid to admit it. This is the reason I support a hair stylist and NOT a plastic surgeon or tanning salon. Hair stylist has the ability to ADD variety to the game, the other two will only detract from it. My selfish attitude is not beside the point. It is the point. This is about something I want and something I don't want - not won't use - don't want to see ever. The only other system I would support would be the option of changing appearance ONCE - at a designated time (say lvl100 equiv. ~1.4k xp). However this system would take away from the idea of the hair stylist which I believe most would like to operate much like the common hair salon in RL.
Droniac
I'd be all in favor of hair stylists - if only because it's a bit weird for my 27-month old character to still be wearing the exact same hairdo he did back in Prophecies' pre-order weekend (and there are better hair styles available nowadays).
Anyway, if you listen closely to the recently published narrated video for GW:EN then you can hear him talk about changing your character's appearance in other ways than mere armor. Perhaps that could indicate the implementation of a hair-stylist-ish feature? Ah well - we'll find out come release day (or maybe even in the pre-order weekend event).
lucifer_uk
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Something else I would love to see, and I'll quote lucifer_uk here:
To be able to give my wee ele some fine ink and piercings like mine would seriously rock. Hell she has biker chick attitude, she wears as close as I can get to a biker chick combo; the ink would just seal the deal. Ok maybe just throw me in some of those awesome mesmer 15k Rogue boots for her aswell and you'll have a very happy ele I know from this thread that there are some that consider this to be superfluous to the game, but there are a hell of a lot of us who would really love this addition for the additional depth it would bring on many levels. And so long as there isn't the ability to alter your chars appearance ingame, I shall continue to add my voice to the voices of others that would like to see this addition too. You don't want it, don't use it. But those of us that do want it will continue to ask for it. You know it makes sense... I'm sure my ranger has a piercing hidden out of view somewhere... Seriously, if they don't add any more customization options for GW they will have to definitely do some for GW2. It adds more dimensions to the RP aspect of our characters.
kradens
its kinda annoying walking around with tyrian chars who are not as cool looking as a factions or nf char. my ranger has a beard which i have to cover up with a mask (masks ftw : P) - i dunno what i was thinking back then, but i sure dont think its cool now....besides...i really wanna eye patch!! all the other rangers are picking on meeeeee...
WinterSnowblind
Can't Gaile get us any real information about this?
I wouldn't particulary mind if they aren't going to add it in, but I'd at least like to know if we're not ever going to get it. I have a few characters I really dislike now because of certain hair styles. I'll probably just delete them, but I'm holding onto the hope that GW:EN might just add in some sort of hair stylist.
Mr. G
ahhh the nearest you can get to an unique look now is texmod...my ele happily has covered his body in tribal tat's...pity only i can see them =[
Operative 14
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Can't Gaile get us any real information about this?
Now that raises a good question, has anyone from Anet ever addressed this in any of the many topics that have been brought up about Hairstylists? I have never seen them do so, but I'm not very good at keeping track of such things. Perhaps they're not mentioning it becuase they want us all to be pleasently surprised on the 31st |  .
Molock
The new WoW expansion has a hair stylist.... I think us GW players also deserve a hair stylist....
Teoball
Give us a hair stylist!
Bassu
I don't give a heck about hair styllist.
My dervish is so freakin sexy now xD
T1Cybernetic
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Originally Posted by Molock
The new WoW expansion has a hair stylist.... I think us GW players also deserve a hair stylist....
Haha, this will work, nudge nudge, wink wink!
White knight lord
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Originally Posted by Molock
The new WoW expansion has a hair stylist.... I think us GW players also deserve a hair stylist....
Comparing GW to WoW...not such a smart move. I personally don't think they will add one.GW1 is like a big test now to see what is good and what is not to create GW2 with less problems and make it really good. I think they are going to save this topic for GW2 because why waste time with this by implamenting it in GW1 when its going to decrease in players(more or less) when GW2 is coming out. I agree with Wintersnowblind, Gaile is supposed to be the community relations person ...right? So why can't Galie just say there will or won't be a hair stylist rather then having people get all hyped up about something and then be disapointed?
That is my opinion. 
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