Well... you eat in real life... and drink alcohol... should we remove food and spirits form the game because they are too real-life-like?
The omost important point to consider about an addition or suggestion to the game is this one:
- Would players enjoy it?
For this, the reason is yes. Most of them would love it.
Hair Stylists?
MithranArkanere
pamelf
I agree. People would either love it or completely ignore it. There are no negative side effects, so it is something you can choose to use, or not, as you see fit. 
Krusnik The Second
Okay, so, White Knight, there's just one thing that doesn't make sense to me...why are you so against this?
It's not like we are forcing you to change your hair style if this is added on, it just gives users some more choice after there character's initial creation.
People's tastes change, it's just what happens, so why can't their character change slightly too?
It's not like we are forcing you to change your hair style if this is added on, it just gives users some more choice after there character's initial creation.
People's tastes change, it's just what happens, so why can't their character change slightly too?
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posted by Krusnik The Second Okay, so, White Knight, there's just one thing that doesn't make sense to me...why are you so against this? I'll tell you why ... because someone suggested or invented the idea of pants and some people like their bushes and think everyone else should too.
(Can anyone name this pop culture reference?)
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with all do respect...your "examples" are not up to par....because that would be relatively dumb, and that is REAL LIFE.
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And BTW, $2 an hour was just a random figure I pulled out of my hat for a young kid going out and mowing lawns for a neighbor, I don't know what the going rate is. I'm glad you do.
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My comment was about the extent of selfishness. You ''don't want to see the ability to change appearance'' just because of the chances (probably slight) of others looking like you. I don't see much of anyone on par with that. |
And there is a BIG difference between a pixel image and Money
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You would be unaffected if the option was added, I don't understand why you want it to cost hell for others to be able to use the option.
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It would be nice to have the ability to change the whole look of a character ONCE - to make up for mistakes made in character creation.
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Well..its easy Lobster Get over it simple as that. It seems that you have a negative out look on life but that is up to you. I dont mind change at all, but Bunny has a very good point.
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I want my characters to be unique. Both are equally valid opinions and both are equally selfish. As an RPG player (right back to the tabletop times) I understand both sides. Tastes do change, mistakes are made, new expansions bring new options. I understand the desire to change. I desire a change, or at least the option of it, but I would like there to be limits to it. By having a hair stylist this gives two of the five total options up for messing around with - just under half. True, I've said I would not necessarily be fond of seeing Canthan characters walking around with Elonian hair, but to be honest it doesn't bother me that much. It is merely something that would appear a little strange to me. However the - "Oh I need to look like an Arabian belly dancer for 15k Sunspear, oh and now a European ice princess for 15k aero" is something I would rather avoid seeing in game, and before you say it isn't likely to happen just think about fashion in the real world. If you are male, you probably haven't made its acquaintance yet, so let me introduce you. Shadow, this is fashion. Being a female, I've a more intimate knowledge of fashion than I really care to have. I've my style, which isn't fashionable, and I stick to it because it is what I like and it looks good on me. But the social world of many young women actually revolves around fashion. They pick friends by the clothes they wear, the shoes, the accessories, the colour and cut of their hair, their makeup, and how frequently they visit the tanning salon in any given season. All these things are fashion, and to many young women they change with every season. A look becomes flavour of the month and they strive to emulate it. But this is a game, you might say. True, but real people play it. Real people who have the same concerns in real life that (possibly quite accidently) do carry across to the game. To see examples of this you only have to browse through the screenshot pages to see things like "oh, that armour looks great on ________" and pages later, "I just had to create another ________ because this armour looks so great on the character." Right back before Factions came out, before titles, when playtime and bonuses and all sorts of other things were unimportant, players WOULD recreate their characters to look like others if they found that "look" to be appealing to them at that time, afterall, there wasn't too much to do once you'd finished the game so why not? To have all character creation options available to all characters all the time WILL bring flavour of the month into play. It's not simply a possibilty, history and society says it WILL happen. My characters might not become flavour of the month, true, in fact I think the chances are small that they will - but the possiblity is there, and I'd rather it not happen. Furthermore it would be weird to see clones running around all of the time. Take bots. For a long time bots had one kind of look. The "default" look that loaded in the character creation screen. This "look" was the same all the time - something which has now changed. At Augury the number of blonde, half bald, female monks (all with the same, default face) running around was amazing. The half-bald look is not popular with the general population because many consider it to be ugly. Of course once you realise that these were bots, it became obvious as to why they all looked the same. The grab it and go principal - gold farmers (of this type) don't care about their characters, they aren't there to play the game. Which brings me to another point. While it is a game, it is a certain type of game. An RPG. We are suppose to BE our characters (or pretend to be). Changing our character might be fun, but it isn't "realistic" in terms of any fantasy game/story/movie that I've played/read/seen. In all those cases magic and the like can change the appearance, but not permenantly. You might say, here's a chance for Guild Wars to be different. True, but IMHO I don't think it would be a good addition to the game. When you can change your whole appearance like you can armour, you don't and can't become attached to a look, look = character - the name is meaningless unless there is a permenant, identifyable physical embodiment of the being. This is an important point because RPGs draw a large amount of their power to entertain from immersion, the ability to (or pretend to) BE a character in a different world. There is no immersion if you can change your character from - icy mesmer princess, to tribal mesmer, to canthan orphan mesmer in what would effectively become the blink of an eye. I know that some who play don't think too much about their characters, they don't give them stories or backgrounds, they don't care for the story, they don't become immersed, they don't give in to escapism. They are there for the phat loot and to prove how completely uber they are to the rest of the noobish population. The game for them is an ego trip. But that doesn't mean that the game should stop trying to immerse the players in the world and their characters. Being able to change your character's entire look whenever you want PREVENTS immersion, and is counter to the idea of RPGs in general. I'm not, as you suggest, against change. Change (in general) is good. What I am against is anything that runs against the general idea of RPGs (and my enjoyment of them), and anything that might add "flavour of the month" in big red letters to the equation. "GLF NUKER, MUST BE BLONDE, HOT, AND FASHIONBLE!" Just what I always wanted to see in game...
White knight lord
Very well said Lady Lozza, and everyone is different (as we can all see).Personally I am still against it, but that is my opinion.
pamelf
Well we can probably close this thread since the video from E3 (look up the guildwars walkthrough video at gamespot.com) confirmed that GW:EN will have more customization for existing level 20 characters. While I'm not 100% sure what it entails, it did look from the video that it's new hair etc, with the addition of facial hair which will be great! So, there we go. Even if it's not quite what we expect lets at least wait to see what they come up with then re-open this thread or start a new one.
Thanks Anet, you've done us proud yet again!!!
Lady Lozza
Oh that is good news (hope it's only hair/asthetic stuff)
 Can someone post a link for this if there isn't already one in another thread - or point to the thread with the link in it.
pamelf
http://au.gamespot.com/video/938739/...walk-through-1
They announce "new ways to change the look and appearance of your existing guild wars characters."
Nevin
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You and Bunny are wrong, and I'll tell you why. When ever someone changes their armor in game (Scar pattern, Tattoos) does it change their character in the server like you say it will? Everytime a necromancer uses a Canthan scar pattern that makes his eyes change color, does that make his character different in the server? If so, then the PROBLEM you're using as your argument, already EXISTS. If hair changes work as simple as buying armor that permanently fits to your character, the harm in it will be .000000000000000000000000001. A pebble of coding in the server's ocean.
Please be real, unless your computer lags and blue screens every time someone puts on a different helmet in game, this'll have no humanly visible affect on your game play at all, other then checking out that person's sweet new hair style. As long as Anet conducts the new customization through the same way they code armor (a physical change to your character), things will be fine, and they'd be stupid not to do so.
To make sure I don't heave any holes, we've already seen that Anet can handle character size changes and things like that based off how they do so with armor, hair styles get bigger or smaller. And heres one of the many physical trait changing scars if you've never seen one for yourself.
Bryant Again
trielementz
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Well we can probably close this thread since the video from E3 (look up the guildwars walkthrough video at gamespot.com) confirmed that GW:EN will have more customization for existing level 20 characters. While I'm not 100% sure what it entails, it did look from the video that it's new hair etc, with the addition of facial hair which will be great! So, there we go. Even if it's not quite what we expect lets at least wait to see what they come up with then re-open this thread or start a new one.
Thanks Anet, you've done us proud yet again!!!
um i went through the video, checked the monk hairstyle and beard in it.. it's actually a nightfall option so i don't think it's confirmed yet.
Thanks Anet, you've done us proud yet again!!!
um i went through the video, checked the monk hairstyle and beard in it.. it's actually a nightfall option so i don't think it's confirmed yet.
White knight lord
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You and Bunny are wrong, and I'll tell you why. When ever someone changes their armor in game (Scar pattern, Tattoos) does it change their character in the server like you say it will? Everytime a necromancer uses a Canthan scar pattern that makes his eyes change color, does that make his character different in the server? If so, then the PROBLEM you're using as your argument, already EXISTS. If hair changes work as simple as buying armor that permanently fits to your character, the harm in it will be .000000000000000000000000001. A pebble of coding in the server's ocean.
Please be real, unless your computer lags and blue screens every time someone puts on a different helmet in game, this'll have no humanly visible affect on your game play at all, other then checking out that person's sweet new hair style. As long as Anet conducts the new customization through the same way they code armor (a physical change to your character), things will be fine, and they'd be stupid not to do so.
To make sure I don't heave any holes, we've already seen that Anet can handle character size changes and things like that based off how they do so with armor, hair styles get bigger or smaller. And heres one of the many physical trait changing scars if you've never seen one for yourself.
Fyi armors don't change the char. Armors are a simple cover like every day clothes like soemone would wear. Please answer this, when you put on clothes does it change your hair.height,face or skin tones? the face scars don't change your char eye they simply cover them as does the armor. So the only thing that I could see Anet doing is a wig system (like the holiday hats) and simply cover the old one up. So might wanna do more research.
Bryant Again
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Fyi armors don't change the char. Armors are a simple cover like every day clothes like soemone would wear. Please answer this, when you put on clothes does it change your hair.height,face or skin tones? the face scars don't change your char eye they simply cover them as does the armor. So the only thing that I could see Anet doing is a wig system (like the holiday hats) and simply cover the old one up. So might wanna do more research.
Like I said: if they're able to change your gender, which is changing quite a few variables, I think that changing your hair shouldn't be too difficult. I guess we'll wait and see.
Like I said: if they're able to change your gender, which is changing quite a few variables, I think that changing your hair shouldn't be too difficult. I guess we'll wait and see.
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...video from E3 (look up the guildwars walkthrough video at gamespot.com) confirmed that GW:EN will have more customization for existing level 20 characters. While I'm not 100% sure what it entails, it did look from the video that it's new hair etc, with the addition of facial hair which will be great!
sorry pamelf but the video doesn't show any new facial hair options. It's just a NF monk.
Cineris
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Fyi armors don't change the char. Armors are a simple cover like every day clothes like soemone would wear. Please answer this, when you put on clothes does it change your hair.height,face or skin tones? the face scars don't change your char eye they simply cover them as does the armor. So the only thing that I could see Anet doing is a wig system (like the holiday hats) and simply cover the old one up. So might wanna do more research.
In terms of actual effects, I'm reasonably certain that changing armor does "change the char." Most armors are not just skins overlaid onto an existing body model (tattooed armor such as for Monks and Necromancers may be an exception). Exceptions aside, each armor is itself a distinct model. If you do a comparison in game you can see many physical characteristics (e.g. waist, hips, legs, bust, etc) that are noticeably different depending on what armor your character has equipped. Supporting evidence can be seen in how characters load in outposts (often piecemeal), how pieces of characters are missing with certain armors, etc.
In terms of actual effects, I'm reasonably certain that changing armor does "change the char." Most armors are not just skins overlaid onto an existing body model (tattooed armor such as for Monks and Necromancers may be an exception). Exceptions aside, each armor is itself a distinct model. If you do a comparison in game you can see many physical characteristics (e.g. waist, hips, legs, bust, etc) that are noticeably different depending on what armor your character has equipped. Supporting evidence can be seen in how characters load in outposts (often piecemeal), how pieces of characters are missing with certain armors, etc.
Nemeth
I've just stumbled across this thread but only skim-read the last page or so...
I find myself agreeing with both sides. I've had my elementalist since Prophecies came out, and I would welcome the chance to change hair. This isn't something new, I began disliking her hair about a year ago.
However I disagree with the "aesthetics" of a character. Hair is one thing, but body shape and face etc is another...
Someone mentioned the point about immersing oneself in the story and the character. I'm like that. However I disagree with the option to change your hair being unrealistic. Following the same principle one could imagine being an Elonian vain and proud mesmer who quite welcomes a visit to the hair stylist every so often...
Perhaps there should be a limit. I agree with it costing a fair amount (but not SO insane). Perhaps implementing a time limit would also be wise, so hair could be changed just once every 30 days for example.
And as for clones, I hold Guild Wars and Arena Net in high esteem for making it able to have a lot of diversity. Other RPGs I tried were a breathless rush to the "high levels" (if ever there was end to the ladder) and obtaining the "best" armour and weapon, ending up in everyone wearing the same things, wielding the same things, and just being a complete mesh of ... well... amorphity.
Guild Wars doesn't really have that. You pick and choose armour depending on what suits you, pick and mix on what looks good, and what serves well. Or at least I do. You don't really see a LOT of 2 people looking exactly the same, except perhaps those who farm and use black dye on their armour as a sign of 'status'/ego boost/'penile comparison'...
I don't believe that hair will cause such mindless trends, that is assuming that all styles are priced the same. Were there a hierarchy in cost, granted, people would want the more expensive ones...
I think that a hair stylist is a good idea, though it should be used in moderation and the person has to earn it.
I've created quite a few characters, by the time they reached level 8 I had already decided whether or not I was happy with them. And level 8 isn't such a great loss as level 20...
I find myself agreeing with both sides. I've had my elementalist since Prophecies came out, and I would welcome the chance to change hair. This isn't something new, I began disliking her hair about a year ago.
However I disagree with the "aesthetics" of a character. Hair is one thing, but body shape and face etc is another...
Someone mentioned the point about immersing oneself in the story and the character. I'm like that. However I disagree with the option to change your hair being unrealistic. Following the same principle one could imagine being an Elonian vain and proud mesmer who quite welcomes a visit to the hair stylist every so often...
Perhaps there should be a limit. I agree with it costing a fair amount (but not SO insane). Perhaps implementing a time limit would also be wise, so hair could be changed just once every 30 days for example.
And as for clones, I hold Guild Wars and Arena Net in high esteem for making it able to have a lot of diversity. Other RPGs I tried were a breathless rush to the "high levels" (if ever there was end to the ladder) and obtaining the "best" armour and weapon, ending up in everyone wearing the same things, wielding the same things, and just being a complete mesh of ... well... amorphity.
Guild Wars doesn't really have that. You pick and choose armour depending on what suits you, pick and mix on what looks good, and what serves well. Or at least I do. You don't really see a LOT of 2 people looking exactly the same, except perhaps those who farm and use black dye on their armour as a sign of 'status'/ego boost/'penile comparison'...
I don't believe that hair will cause such mindless trends, that is assuming that all styles are priced the same. Were there a hierarchy in cost, granted, people would want the more expensive ones...
I think that a hair stylist is a good idea, though it should be used in moderation and the person has to earn it.
I've created quite a few characters, by the time they reached level 8 I had already decided whether or not I was happy with them. And level 8 isn't such a great loss as level 20...
Nevin
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Fyi armors don't change the char. Armors are a simple cover like every day clothes like soemone would wear. Please answer this, when you put on clothes does it change your hair.height,face or skin tones? the face scars don't change your char eye they simply cover them as does the armor. So the only thing that I could see Anet doing is a wig system (like the holiday hats) and simply cover the old one up. So might wanna do more research.
I would've explained but Cineris beat me to it, very well done so I might say. "FYI" you never want to use a witty statement to close your post unless you're 100% positive you're right.
I would've explained but Cineris beat me to it, very well done so I might say. "FYI" you never want to use a witty statement to close your post unless you're 100% positive you're right.
Silly Warrior
Guys I'm sorta wondering what to do with this thread as it is.
Theres a lot of arguing going on...some not so civil.
A few of you are saying that it has been confirmed? Has it? I've been pretty updated on this information, and I haven't heard anyone say "yes, hair style can change".
Can anyone provide some links showing official statements?
Theres a lot of arguing going on...some not so civil.
A few of you are saying that it has been confirmed? Has it? I've been pretty updated on this information, and I haven't heard anyone say "yes, hair style can change".
Can anyone provide some links showing official statements?
Silly Warrior
Guys I'm sorta wondering what to do with this thread as it is.
Theres a lot of arguing going on...some not so civil.
A few of you are saying that it has been confirmed? Has it? I've been pretty updated on this information, and I haven't heard anyone say "yes, hair style can change".
Can anyone provide some links showing official statements?
Theres a lot of arguing going on...some not so civil.
A few of you are saying that it has been confirmed? Has it? I've been pretty updated on this information, and I haven't heard anyone say "yes, hair style can change".
Can anyone provide some links showing official statements?
White knight lord
The Closest thing to any positive news on this topic is in the video (I believe) provided by pamelf around the part when the guy says there will be more costimization options for existing lvl 20 chars.
Operative 14
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The Closest thing to any positive news on this topic is in the video (I believe) provided by pamelf around the part when the guy says there will be more costimization options for existing lvl 20 chars.
Yeah, that's pretty much all I've seen in this topic that might point towards official news either way. I'm waiting for;A) Gaile or someone to come here and either say it's impossable
B) Gaile or someone to come here and say it is possible
C) Gaile or someone to come here and say that it's in GW:EN
D) August 31st when we will all find out.
MithranArkanere
Remember those magma hands in the video?
I think they refered to things like that, armors usable by all professions, isn't it?
I think they refered to things like that, armors usable by all professions, isn't it?
Cathode_Reborn
When browsing through the necro armor on the official wiki, I always wished I made an elona nec because the male nec shown in the pictures looks really cool, but then I noticed something:
The 1st face is the one on the official wiki.
The 2nd is a Prophecies nec.
The 3rd is an Elona nec.
Look closely at the Wiki and Prophecies nec - their face is exacly the same, except that the Wiki nec also has an Elona hairstyle. Another thing is that the pic of the Elona nec I took is the lightest skin, yet the Wiki nec has Elona hair with what looks like much lighter skin, but that could just be the lightning on the character menu.
It seems that it is possible for Anet to do, but may or may not be possible to add in for players.
EDIT: The female nec shown on the official wiki clearly has a prophecies face with canthan hair. The elemenatalist's shown on their also seem to have a mix
The 1st face is the one on the official wiki.
The 2nd is a Prophecies nec.
The 3rd is an Elona nec.
Look closely at the Wiki and Prophecies nec - their face is exacly the same, except that the Wiki nec also has an Elona hairstyle. Another thing is that the pic of the Elona nec I took is the lightest skin, yet the Wiki nec has Elona hair with what looks like much lighter skin, but that could just be the lightning on the character menu.
It seems that it is possible for Anet to do, but may or may not be possible to add in for players.
EDIT: The female nec shown on the official wiki clearly has a prophecies face with canthan hair. The elemenatalist's shown on their also seem to have a mix
Nevin
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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
When browsing through the necro armor on the official wiki, I always wished I made an elona nec because the male nec shown in the pictures looks really cool, but then I noticed something:
The 1st face is the one on the official wiki.
The 2nd is a Prophecies nec.
The 3rd is an Elona nec.
Look closely at the Wiki and Prophecies nec - their face is exacly the same, except that the Wiki nec also has an Elona hairstyle. Another thing is that the pic of the Elona nec I took is the lightest skin, yet the Wiki nec has Elona hair with what looks like much lighter skin, but that could just be the lightning on the character menu.
It seems that it is possible for Anet to do, but may or may not be possible to add in for players.
EDIT: The female nec shown on the official wiki clearly has a prophecies face with canthan hair. The elemenatalist's shown on their also seem to have a mix Nice find, I noticed that to. Perhaps you simply didn't make the Prophecies necro pale enough, they can get pretty pale.
The 1st face is the one on the official wiki.
The 2nd is a Prophecies nec.
The 3rd is an Elona nec.
Look closely at the Wiki and Prophecies nec - their face is exacly the same, except that the Wiki nec also has an Elona hairstyle. Another thing is that the pic of the Elona nec I took is the lightest skin, yet the Wiki nec has Elona hair with what looks like much lighter skin, but that could just be the lightning on the character menu.
It seems that it is possible for Anet to do, but may or may not be possible to add in for players.
EDIT: The female nec shown on the official wiki clearly has a prophecies face with canthan hair. The elemenatalist's shown on their also seem to have a mix Nice find, I noticed that to. Perhaps you simply didn't make the Prophecies necro pale enough, they can get pretty pale.
MithranArkanere
Not only that. You can see many hairstyles are used between different professions.
I'm pretty sure some professions could share hairtiles, probably all females and all males can share them.
Some Warrior faces would look horrible on a mesmer, but not their hair.
I'm pretty sure some professions could share hairtiles, probably all females and all males can share them.
Some Warrior faces would look horrible on a mesmer, but not their hair.