Hair Stylists?

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

Quote:
Originally Posted by Craywulf
Bottom line is that customization puts load on ArenaNet's servers. If we have 4 million characters that are all visually unique, that would take a lot of coding for ArenaNet to process. Everything has a cost. If Anet had to go through all the codeing the player should have to pay a reasonable cost and not no 1k-5k BS. Like I said let the player go through the codeing and then they can change their hair. Anet shouldn't have to go through the codeing changeing everyones little whims when the individual can just remake their char, especially since the player had the option to choose a characters looks. Simple as that.

I simply agreed with my self because many people think it is easy to change codeing.

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

I would happily pay real money to alter my characters hair or change their names. Would make Anet some money and cover increase on server (if any).

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
Everything has a cost.
How much is the cost, is what matters. And for some reason, you feel that we should have to pretty much shoot ourselves in the head for customization.

I'm not demanding anything at all. I'm saying it would be awesome if I could change my hair. I'm not saying that I don't like my hair, I'm just tired of it. I'd like to be something different, and I think that's the mindset most people have.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord
I simply agreed with my self because many people think it is easy to change codeing. How do you know that it's not easy as hell for ANet to do? Do you know ANet's coding process?

Dervish Gnome

Dervish Gnome

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Northern America

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Dear ANET,
Having the option to change the looks of an older character would make my Prophecies Necromancer very happy. She's stuck back in the "thriller" days and needs to shed some light on her old shabby hair. My dear Necromancer has a bit of an armor lust...and with each new set of armor she is hoping to spice up her look, but she is always disappointed in the end. A new "do" may be the thing she's looking for to fill that hole inside her wrecked self-esteem. Don't you wish to save an old character from throwing herself into the delete bin along with other broken spirited characters that became too bored with what they were? I ask you to search your files and find a place for a hairstylist NPC in the new expansion GW:EN, if you won't do it for me...then please do it for the two year old characters who are inching their way to being a slot warmer only good for yearly mini pets.
Your's Truly,
Dervish Gnome

stiffler

stiffler

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

South Australia

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I logged on to my male Necro last night for the first time in ages and decided the corn rows need to go, I'm starting the think the hair stylist option might be a good investment.

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Most of people agree with hari style changes.
Many people agree with hair color changes.
Some people agree with very limited face changes.
Few agree with limited full design changes.
A very little few agree with unlimited full total customization.
And not many people talked about skin tone changes.
If full customization is implemented, then very few should be affected negatively because if they don't want to use any part(s) of the list, they can simply ignore those.

Quote: Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Changing their face is extreme though, have to keep that in mind. Something that extreme should be very hard to acquire, and very expensive at that. Why do you care if I or anyone wants to change the way our character looks? You don't want to then don't, but I don't see how it's beneficial to want to hinder others being able to use the option.

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Originally Posted by Matfei
Hair is OK; it can naturally be changed... Faces, I don't think so. It's good to keep something of a character the same; its not like you wake up in the morning and put on a new face after all!

Re-Roll if your not happy with the face. So it’s good for YOU to keep your character the same for whatever reason. If you want to stick to the natural ‘real life can’t/can do this, etc’ business then do so. As for the rest of us, it would be good to have the option to change.

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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One: It's ridiculous. I think they should update your faces (cleaner look to them), yes, but not entirely change them to what ever you so please! It's like I said, it's creating a new character with the status of your old one, that's very disrespectful to that character if you give a damn. I know, it's just a game, but you invest your self into them, they become real.

Two: All of you "face changers" are wanting, wanting, and wanting. I don't do with whiny people. You're the ones who haven't seen what ANET does for us and don't appreciate what is there already, and haven't understood either. You're the ones who are always asking for more, more and more then leave this game when you decided to compare it to WoW.

Three: All of you are wanting it to be cheap. Sorry here folks! If you guys are wanting a real life thing into a "Real-Like" Fantasy setting, then your going to have to pay the price. Face lifts, tummy tucks, breast lifts and all those fun things aren't cheap, neither will this. If your going to have to change your face, I think 500k or more will be excellent!

How does this effect me? I'll give you this, it doesn't. I'll tell you this however. To ask like you guys are is insane, hair and color is one thing, but a face? Seriously? You people understand that if this is implimented, you will only be able to choose from the exact faces you decided against during the creation of your character right? You won't be able to use a Elonian face on a Tyrian born character, or have any of you thought this?

All of this ignorance that is going on around in this thread is ridiculous, and most of it is from players who are likely the ones who kill us during the missions we need done the most, players who get on once a week or noobs them selves!

None of you asking for these extremes understand anything here do you?

Dervish Gnome

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Northern America

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Well said Perfected Shadow.

About the whole "that's very disrespectful to that character"...I'm pretty sure my old character isn't going to turn around on my screen in objection to my changing her nor will she /pout. The only emote she'd be doing after her so called "Face-lift" is /cheer. I admire your...uh, dedication; however, if you truly understand that this is JUST a game then why are you so hellbent on making sure that you ARE right and calling nearly everyone in this forum a bunch of noobs?

If I was to ever do a face-lift on a character I would only do so if I was able to choose from a wide variety among ALL the chapters. If I wasn't able to do that then I simply would NOT do it, but if another player wishes to change their Prophecies face to another Prophecies face then by all means go right ahead. Who am I (or who are you) to argue against that?

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome
Well said Perfected Shadow.

About the whole "that's very disrespectful to that character"...I'm pretty sure my old character isn't going to turn around on my screen in objection to my changing her nor will she /pout. The only emote she'd be doing after her so called "Face-lift" is /cheer. I admire your...uh, dedication; however, if you truly understand that this is JUST a game then why are you so hellbent on making sure that you ARE right and calling nearly everyone in this forum a bunch of noobs?

If I was to ever do a face-lift on a character I would only do so if I was able to choose from a wide variety among ALL the chapters. If I wasn't able to do that then I simply would NOT do it, but if another player wishes to change their Prophecies face to another Prophecies face then by all means go right ahead. Who am I (or who are you) to argue against that? See, the "turn around on my screen" thing is just what I figured one of you would say. We all know it's a game, yes, but those of who who understand that and have given our characters a life are the ones not wanting to see this implemented. You and the others are the ones who simply view this as a game, fine, congrats. Yes, that means I'm calling my self out as a real nerd here, but I'm sure the ones who do this know this game a lot better then most of you, the ones demanding and always asking for things. We don't want to see this created.

Not hellbent on being right, just hellbent on not seeing this come. Oh, and darling, I'm not calling everyone on this forum noobs, just the ones in this topic noobs. There is a huge difference there

And, with what you say about the "All", ANET wouldn't let you choose from any other campaign, so your quest for a new face is denied by your self. And, like I just said, why would choose a face you denied during your characters creation? They're the same, bland, boring faces as before, they aren't going to "come out of the screen" and say "Pick me!" to you.

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

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Join Date: Mar 2005

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I gotto agree with the respect thing.


I mean I know I wouldnt be able to JUST ignore it if there were face changes.

I mean, sure, I'd never do it... But I can imagine running across the same person 3 times and ONLY recognising the name. Not to mention, a lot of people would pick favorites and there would be quite a few more clones.

Know what that is?... RUNESCAPE!

Thaaaats right! You've just created the very game that GW fans sit arround in districts spamming that it "SUX". A game where the only recognition you get is finding a witty name that doesnt have 6 numbers after it!

So

YES to Hair Dressers
and holy crap NO to plastic surgery

**Oh and as I said earlier, regarding to how easy this is to code: The number of players in GW does NOT notably affect the coding proccess.

Take skill templates for example: They are small, and no matter what combonation of skills you use, they should stay around the same size. If they add more skills to the game, all your template files are not going to mysteriously grow.

The player database should be a bit like template files, a combonation of things.

Dervish Gnome

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Oh, and darling, I'm not calling everyone on this forum noobs, just the ones in this topic noobs. There is a huge difference there

And, with what you say about the "All", ANET wouldn't let you choose from any other campaign, so your quest for a new face is denied by your self. And, like I just said, why would choose a face you denied during your characters creation? They're the same, bland, boring faces as before, they aren't going to "come out of the screen" and say "Pick me!" to you. First off, never call me "darling" because the thought of being called by a term of endearment by...well, you...makes me ill.

Second, duh. I know we wouldn't be able to pick from all the chapters that is why I said if I wasn't able to do so then I simply would not change my character's face. Just because I don't get exactly what I want doesn't mean I'm going to throw a fit about it. Perhaps another player would like to change their face "just because" without any real reason. Who cares? I don't.

Third, indeed congrats to those of us who realize this is just a game. Sorry that I can tear myself away from the keyboard long enough to enjoy the so called "RL" outside my window.

Lastly, if you don't like the subject of this "topic" then by all means PLEASE don't post here. Excuse the rest of us for daydreaming about "what if..." and "if only..." Players are always going to ask for more, but just because we ask doesn't mean it has to be done. If people are going to stop playing Guild Wars just because they don't get a plastic surgeon (or because ANET broke down and put one in), then let them. All I have to say to those weak-minded players is "G'bye".

MithranArkanere

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When Prophecies first came out (even before being named Prophecies) there were some faces.

After some updates, new faces where added.

So the 'you have already chosen' is not valid for those, because you couldn't choose the new ones.

Dervish Gnome

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
When Prophecies first came out (even before being named Prophecies) there were some faces.

After some updates, new faces where added.

So the 'you have already chosen' is not valid for those, because you couldn't choose the new ones. That is a great point Mithran...I had forgotten about that. *cheers for MithranArkanere*

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
How much is the cost, is what matters. And for some reason, you feel that we should have to pretty much shoot ourselves in the head for customization.
IDK where in the hell you pulled that out from. I never said go to such extremes but it should have a fairly high cost to prevent folks from changeing every day and/or every week. I know it is their char but come on that would be rediculious (not saying everyone would but some).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I'm not demanding anything at all. I'm saying it would be awesome if I could change my hair. I'm not saying that I don't like my hair, I'm just tired of it. I'd like to be something different, and I think that's the mindset most people have. If your saying you are "tired" of your hair that means you basically hate it cuz its old, but ya still hate it.



Quote: Originally Posted by Bryant Again How do you know that it's not easy as hell for ANet to do? Do you know ANet's coding process? I do not know if going through Millions of individual codeing for each char is hard. how bout you find that out for me

Quote:
Originally Posted by stiffler
I logged on to my male Necro last night for the first time in ages and decided the corn rows need to go, I'm starting the think the hair stylist option might be a good investment. Good investment as it being another Money Sink for players? I know it is the players choice but imo this would be a money sink for most folks that want to be "unique". It would be their choice to buy and I couldn't tell them not to.



Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWasp
**Oh and as I said earlier, regarding to how easy this is to code: The number of players in GW does NOT notably affect the coding proccess.

Take skill templates for example: They are small, and no matter what combonation of skills you use, they should stay around the same size. If they add more skills to the game, all your template files are not going to mysteriously grow.

The player database should be a bit like template files, a combonation of things. It may not be Hard, but I suggest you go code for all of the millions folks that want/would like a hair change.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
See, the "turn around on my screen" thing is just what I figured one of you would say. We all know it's a game, yes, but those of who who understand that and have given our characters a life are the ones not wanting to see this implemented. You and the others are the ones who simply view this as a game, fine, congrats. Yes, that means I'm calling my self out as a real nerd here, but I'm sure the ones who do this know this game a lot better then most of you, the ones demanding and always asking for things. We don't want to see this created. I realize this is just a game. Sometimes when I play, I play to well.."escape" if I may from the outside world of stupid people on a day by day basis and play the game by myself or with friends.I do care what my characters look like because no matter what char looks like there is a little of you inside the char from the "names,hair,size,title or just over all looks". I Like all my chars and to change them...it just isn't the same I think.. but that is my opinon.

Lauryn

Lauryn

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Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

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When I created my first character I was a total noob Guild wars didn't have the nifty character creation screen that it does now and I didn't know how to work it, so my 27/28 month old character with over 2,000 hours has the default ranger face/hair/hair colour and height...

I would give anything just to change hairstyle

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
It may not be Hard, but I suggest you go code for all of the millions folks that want/would like a hair change.
Ey man never said I wouldn't do it. I dont have the source though, and I was like 10 when I was into C++ don't know much now.

But I still make some stuff for games like Half-Life, there was even this lil RPG mod. I know for sure the number of players doesnt make adding features harder, it just makes it more worthwhile.

I added a door to my house in a Swamp map...
Ray's house
...And uh, I don't have to reprogram it every time a new person joins the server. But hey, the more people that join, the more that can admire my cheap lil door.
Quote: This is where the thread splits. I and a few others will agree with you while a group of nay-sayers will deny, stomp, /pout all over the forum about how this should not be allowed.So I propose this, why not make the Hairstylist NPC an upgrade for a guild hall? Then if you want you can go to your own little guild hall and do your thing. Or if you don't want the NPC then you can whine and complain to your guild leader that purchased the NPC until they kick you out of said guild. Anyways, the point being that if you don't like the idea of a hairstylist then you wouldn't have to have one nor would you ever have to see one if your guild doesn't purchase the upgrade.Problem solved? Indeed it isn't. I'm sure someone will name off a dozen reasons why this would not work. Personally, I'm okay with this idea.

Sugr

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

UHOY

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
I realize this is just a game. Sometimes when I play, I play to well.."escape" if I may from the outside world of stupid people on a day by day basis and play the game by myself or with friends.I do care what my characters look like because no matter what char looks like there is a little of you inside the char from the "names,hair,size,title or just over all looks". I Like all my chars and to change them...it just isn't the same I think.. but that is my opinon. I can understand what you are saying now, and it makes a lot of sense.

So you can see why I wouldn't want plastic surgery in this game.

Hair is a different story, it's our natural attire. We were given hair so we could style it and see what makes us look better. Some people like to go for a new look every day. I don't think it'll compromise our identity too much.

Jongo River

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

I have to stop reading this forum. There are some opinions that make me want to hate myself for even being part of this "community". I just don't get it - in a largely third person game like GW, I barely see other players faces. I really don't understand how anyone could get that hung up on them. Even if the name was the only thing that remained consistent, I've played so many FPS games where that has worked just fine... Hell, in FPS games, names aren't reserved and can be mimicked and it still doesn't stop you from immediately recognising who you know, through personality. Granted, smaller communities, but even so...

Why the heck do some people go so nuts over this issue? If someone wants a change, so what? It shouldn't be of concern to anyone else.

Dervish Gnome

Dervish Gnome

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jongo River
Why the heck do some people go so nuts over this issue? If someone wants a change, so what? It shouldn't be of concern to anyone else.
So I propose this, why not make the Hairstylist NPC an upgrade for a guild hall? Then if you want you can go to your own little guild hall and do your thing. Or if you don't want the NPC then you can whine and complain to your guild leader that purchased the NPC until they kick you out of said guild. Anyways, the point being that if you don't like the idea of a hairstylist then you wouldn't have to have one nor would you ever have to see one if your guild doesn't purchase the upgrade. by Dervish Gnome Well said since just the idea of what you put or have in your Guild Hall is your total decision also. To me making a mistake in hair is something that can't be rectified. We can change many things but instead of wearing the Ugly helmets that some chars are left with what are we to do? So yes we can leave them off but we can't change after that. So why not give a choice to the Guild Leader to have or have not? Even if it's just changing to one of the choices already given when creating your char how is that difficult?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
IDK where in the hell you pulled that out from. I never said go to such extremes...
One of the extremes you mentioned was to just have a wig system, putting quite a dent in builds *and* removing the armor rating from the head.

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord but it should have a fairly high cost to prevent folks from changeing every day and/or every week. I know it is their char but come on that would be rediculious (not saying everyone would but some).
I don't see what's wrong with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
If your saying you are "tired" of your hair that means you basically hate it cuz its old, but ya still hate it. /facepalm

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
I do not know if going through Millions of individual codeing for each char is hard. how bout you find that out for me You've pretty much proved to me that you don't know what you're saying. Why do I have to prove something that was said by you in the first place?

White knight lord

White knight lord

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
One of the extremes you mentioned was to just have a wig system, putting quite a dent in builds *and* removing the armor rating from the head.
Well, what a nice and fair/reasonable cost.Prob would have some people rethinking bout getting a new hair style and I must say it is way better then loseing your all your armor if you change hair styles..yet that would work well too

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
One of the extremes you mentioned was to just have a wig system, putting quite a dent in builds *and* removing the armor rating from the head. Hmm that is soo very extreme...Still don't know where you got the whole "shoot our selves in the head throught" from....maybe you should just take it easy dude...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
You've pretty much proved to me that you don't know what you're saying. Why do I have to prove something that was said by you in the first place It was a simple request, so just let me know if going through millions of codeing is hard.I never said you had to prove anything, I was just makeing a statement of why Anet should or in this case shouldn't have to go through the codeing no matter how hard or easy it may or may not be to change something the player can alerady change (aka remakeing).

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
Well, what a nice and fair/reasonable cost.Prob would have some people rethinking bout getting a new hair style and I must say it is way better then loseing your all your armor if you change hair styles..yet that would work well too
Why? Why would that work well? Those are the extremes I'm talking about. You're just saying "YUS THIS WOLD WORK" without really saying why, unless you're just here to upset people.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord
Still don't know where you got the whole "shoot our selves in the head throught" from....
See above please.

Quote: Originally Posted by White knight lord maybe you should just take it easy dude... You're confused? Why did you quote me twice?

Quote: I am quoteing you so people can refer to the comment made by you so they know what i'm talking about. How bout you?


Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
It was a simple request, so just let me know if going through millions of codeing is hard.I never said you had to prove anything You were the one that said it was hard in the first place. Why should I have to prove your claim?

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
I was just makeing a statement of why Anet should or in this case shouldn't have to go through the codeing no matter how hard or easy it may or may not be to change something the player can alerady change (aka remakeing). That's kind of the whole point of why we're asking for a hairstylist - so we DON'T have to remake our character which we've spent so many hours in. Remaking does not equal changing.

White knight lord

White knight lord

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Why? Why would that work well? Those are the extremes I'm talking about. You're just saying "YUS THIS WOLD WORK" without really saying why, unless you're just here to upset people.
I am not here to upset people and I do not know how my opinions upset people...if they do well life sux. people don't have to read my posts or throughts on the forums. As far as why it would work, If Anet should have to go through the troubles of recodeing peoples mistakes because they are lazy and don't want to remake their chars (I have remade chars). The player should have to pay a reasonable price rather then 1-10k bs. I am going off the assumption that is is hard because of the MILLIONS of people that play and would probably want to do this (if you haven't figured that out).


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
You're confused? Why did you quote me twice?
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
You were the one that said it was hard in the first place. Why should I have to prove your claim?
lol, Never asked you to prove anything just asking.


JUST MY OPINIONS/THOUGHTS

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
I am not here to upset people and I do not know how my opinions upset people...if they do well life sux. people don't have to read my posts or throughts on the forums.
Quote: Originally Posted by White knight lord As far as why it would work, If Anet should have to go through the troubles of recodeing peoples mistakes- Cutting you off right there. Not everyone's hairstyle was a "mistake". You obviously ignored my older post. I'll snip a bit of it here for you to read (again):

Quote: Originally Posted by Me, a few posts back I'm not saying that I don't like my hair, I'm just tired of it. I'd like to be something different, and I think that's the mindset most people have. Quote: Originally Posted by White knight lord
-because they are lazy and don't want to remake their chars (I have remade chars). Well good job, not everyone wants to delete their characters that have 10 maxed titles, obsidian armor, and countless skills unlocked. Some people would just like to change their hair. In other words, not everyone's character is so disposable.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord
I am going off the assumption that is is hard because of the MILLIONS of people that play and would probably want to do this (if you haven't figured that out). Nay, you're simply going off the assumption that it's hard. I don't see how the number of people play into that.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord
I am quoteing you so people can refer to the comment made by you so they know what i'm talking about. How bout you? No no - why did you quote me, the same quote, twice? Read your previous post.
If you're doing it to look clever, ain't workin', homie.

kilkelo

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Do it! Make it happen! I can't believe it still doesn't exist!

Operative 14

Operative 14

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This thread is nuts.

It's turned into flaming over hairstyle changes. I am still trying to figure out why people are so militantly against this, and after fourteen pages, I have yet to see a good reason why we shouldn't have this option. I can understand not wanting to introduce fads into the game, and making it difficult in some way to keep people from changing their hair style simply dependant on what armor someone is wearing at this minute. But, quite frankly, who cares? I do not see any reason why anyone in this game shouldn't have the option to change their hair.

If you don't agree with it, don't use it. Just like I refuse to use runners my first time through a campaign, or any manner of other small moral delimas you face every day. The only way it will affect you, if you don't agree with the option and don't use it, is if a friend uses it. And if a friend uses it then you might want to take that up with them; perhaps you will respect their opinion enough to actually listen to why they choose to change their hairstyle instead of militantly restating the same points over and over again while steadfastly fighting it for no apperant reason other than to... Well... uh, I can't come up with anything.

And I certainly agree with the coding issue, I have no idea how hard this is to code. In fact, I am probably one of the least qualified people on this forum to evalute that. However, computer code was meant to be changed. And having to go through 3.5+ million individule characters codes to change their hairstyle? Please. I change my headgear on average at least 8 times a day simply to match the set of armor I'm wearing at the time (oh, wait, I also change the rest of my five peices of armor at that same time to) so there is a way to do something incredibly similar on your own already. And certainly having an NPC interface to do this would make it so that it was probably a lot easier. I imagine that the coding for the NPC to change your hair would equate to something saying;

Access character: Count Operoe
Change Codeline 666: change line "hairstyle=proph5" to "hairstyle=nightf8"

Again, I have no idea about coding or how complicated it is. However, according to the suggestion that we reroll our characters... We would have to do the EXACT SAME THING. Just simply that it would be associated with also deleting an old character. I imagine a process that takes quite a bit of coding in itself to enact, for instance; erase the name, make that name available on the database, delete that characters armor set, runes for those five peices of armor, inscriptions for those five peices of armor, weapons, staff wrapping, weapons staff head (in a casters case), delete titles and all the hundreds of other various items you might have associated or on that character accidentally, and consign them to the ether.
Then, after that seemingly arduous process, you also start a new character. Which means you have to file for a name, check that name, assign that name, then bring up the interface to select a face, then skin color, then hair, then hair color, then make five new peices of armor, add inscriptions for the armor, then start this new character. Not to mention buying the items and customizing them again. And then repeat this entire task if you want another hair change after that process because, of course, this character is meant to be disposable for something as petty and simple as a hair style change.

In short, the coding is there already. It's just simply that we are asking to be able to access the ability to change the hairstyle without having to hack the main database. Which I'm pretty sure would defeat the purpose since our accounts would be banned and deleted afterwards thus rendering our hours of gameplay, year(s) of loyalty to characters, titles, and customized weapons that we were trying to save though that process moot.

And as far as body changing, face or otherwise; honestly I don't agree with it. When you make a characters face you are tied to that. Same logic that you don't put a baby up for adoption becuase it doesn't look on par with your specifications, and then try again later to get a better looking child. (However this arguement, at least in my mind, does not relate to hairstyling becuase if you don't like a childs hairstyle you can simply change it. You don't have to create a new child becuase you don't like it's hairstyle. But I digress)

However, that option would never affect me in anway. The only way it would affect me is in a positive way. I will never use it because of the afformentioned logic, it's just my own sentimentality. Therefore, the only way I will be affected is if a friend uses it. In which case my friend will have wanted to use it for, probably, a good reason. My point: I'm probably not going to ever agree with nor want the ability to change my characters face. However, I won't waste my breath (or in this case the tips of my fingers) arguing against it becuase it won't affect me.
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As far as implimentation of the plan, I'm looking for something like this.

Option one: You walk up to an NPC in Kamadan, so you can get a Nightfall hairstyle. Then you come up with a window, similar to the dye preview that would allow you to look at all the Nightfall hair options for your characters proffession. To choose the hairstyles, you are able to click on little windows similar to the character creation screen. You can preview you character in full length, like the dye window, then you hit the button and it is your hairstyle, attached to your head. Make it so it costs 1k(arbitrary figure) or 2k(on par with a guild cape), to discourage frivolous changes but still be on par with what most players can pretty easily save up in a week, if not 15 minutes.

Option two: Same as above, except it is implmented as a sixth peice of armor, in between your head peice and your chest peice. No runes or insiginias, just a simple wig.

Dang I'm long winded, aren't I?

TsunamiZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

yes we need an appearance change option for existing characters

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

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Originally Posted by Operative 14
However, that option would never affect me in anway. The only way it would affect me is in a positive way. I will never use it because of the afformentioned logic, it's just my own sentimentality. Therefore, the only way I will be affected is if a friend uses it. In which case my friend will have wanted to use it for, probably, a good reason. My point: I'm probably not going to ever agree with nor want the ability to change my characters face. However, I won't waste my breath (or in this case the tips of my fingers) arguing against it becuase it won't affect me. Yeah I'm just confused why some are arguing against it. The 'clone' argument is weak I think.

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Long winded, but well said. I really have a hard time understanding why people are so against this too. If I want to change my character slightly, for my own satisfaction, I don't see why it matters. Sure, making him slightly taller or shorter may be "unrealistic" but this is a game. And honestly, who's going to notice? I doubt even the people I regularly play the game with would notice the difference, let alone random guys standing around in outposts.

There should definitely be some kind of fee on this, similar to the guild capes, to stop you from changing your character around constantly, but besides that I see no problem with being able to fix up your characters.

The "just recreate that character" is a very weak argument. Especially with the Hall of Monuments in GW:EN. Recreating a character just to get a different face or hairstyle means losing ALL of your achievements, armour, customised weapons and perhaps even mini-pets, etc, depending on how they work.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Good and well written post, Operative 14.

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
Yeah I'm just confused why some are arguing against it. The 'clone' argument is weak I think. Agreed. If there was gonna be "clones", I think we would have them now.

The affro might be pretty popular, though.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

On top of all, hairstyle changes would be one mor reason to get different campaings.

Make a Character in Prophecies, them take it to Cantha to get the last hit in Canthan hairdressing.

Aithieel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2006

Poland

Gwar

D/

I agree with that idea. I really hate how my mesmer looks and I'd like to change even her hairstyle. I just can't delete her, she's my oldest character. Operative 14 well said! About changing faces I could agree with that, I don't care what faces have others but maybe Tyrian charactes soudn't have access to Canthan, Elonian faces becouse there woudn't be any diffrence between character from other continetns.

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

I am not comming at you with a bat just my point of view and/or opinions again....


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Originally Posted by Operative 14
I am still trying to figure out why people are so militantly against this, and after fourteen pages, I have yet to see a good reason why we shouldn't have this option.
Like I said I don't agree with this "NPC", Because it just isn't the char you created and IF you want it to be more like R/L they might as well add surgens to change peoples faces and/or height.


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Originally Posted by Operative 14
If you don't agree with it, don't use it. A argument statement that can hardly be beaten.

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Originally Posted by Operative 14
As far as implimentation of the plan, I'm looking for something like this.

Option one: You walk up to an NPC in Kamadan, so you can get a Nightfall hairstyle. Then you come up with a window, similar to the dye preview that would allow you to look at all the Nightfall hair options for your characters proffession. To choose the hairstyles, you are able to click on little windows similar to the character creation screen. You can preview you character in full length, like the dye window, then you hit the button and it is your hairstyle, attached to your head. Make it so it costs 1k(arbitrary figure) or 2k(on par with a guild cape), to discourage frivolous changes but still be on par with what most players can pretty easily save up in a week, if not 15 minutes.

Option two: Same as above, except it is implmented as a sixth peice of armor, in between your head peice and your chest peice. No runes or insiginias, just a simple wig. Option one, with the prices that low won't stop people from changeing hair styles at a constant/fast rate. It may slow down the non farmers and the folks that don't play the game much, but the others that do farm and do play a lot will not be effected by it.Option Two isn't a too bad of an idea with the "wig" but still should cost around 10k atleast I think (and don't say it is hard to get 10k).

All in all this is a big topic with the GW community.I personally do not see this being implimented from an Anets perspective.I persoanally think this wouldn't be such a great addition to the game this late in the game,especially with with GW2 comming out but in about a year or so. Maybe hey are implimenting this into GW2 (or more "hairstyle" topics will show up).

oceanicdemigod

oceanicdemigod

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

The Kaizen Order [KaiZ]

N/Me

I also am perplexed by the images in the armor section of the official wiki.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/0/0...ed_armor_m.jpg

That Face = Tyrian

That Hair = NOT Tyrian

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/b/b...an_armor_f.jpg

Not expert on Female Rangers but is that Tyrian Hair?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/4...an_armor_f.jpg

Don't recall that Hair in the Tyrian Female Necro Line-up

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/6/6...an_armor_m.jpg

Necro Men in tyria DO NOT have this hair...I WOULD SO MAKE A TYRIAN NECRO MAN FOR THAT HAIR!!!!! ::drools::

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/c/c...nt_armor_f.jpg

This is Tyrian Mesmer with Canthan Hair for sure...my Canthan Mesmer has that hair.

So what's with that? Sound like a Cross-Campaign Hair Pool is best idea

on a Side note....what's an Event Hat but a glorified Hairstyle? (not sure if that was mentioned) - Thats why I don't really like my witch hats cuz it removes her hair and she looks bald with a hat on...i like some hair sticking out to show she has hair underneath the hat.

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

The Female Ranger is all NF I believe and the Female Necro Has Factions hair, But I want to say that is a Tryian face...

Paloma Song

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

[JM]

Rt/R

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
Yeah I'm just confused why some are arguing against it. Because some people don't like the thought of you doing something they wouldn't do (or are afraid to do, or have been told is immoral to do, blah blah). It's a control issue - they want to control what you do, so that it conforms to their view of how the world should be. Even if what you do has absolutely zero direct impact on them, they will invent an indirect impact as they cling to their comforting stasis. To them, it's more important that they feel in control of their surroundings, than to allow other people's individual right to control their own... whatever. A million real-life examples (quite a bit more important than Guild Wars hairstylists) spring to mind about uppity people getting in our bidness, but it's the same principle, and why derail this trainwreck? (Incidentally, these are the same people who throw fits over the idea of modding the client to display textures differently. They just want to control the way you play.)

I'd un-retire several characters for a hairdresser/face-changer option. Ditto with names. Genders too. I'd pay for it, in-game or out, and I'd pay a lot. Anet should take a lesson from games like UO, which charges a premium for name and gender changes, automates the process, and makes a fortune on an aging game and people who just can't bear to delete old characters even if the ugly tree had its way with them.

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

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Originally Posted by Paloma Song
Because some people don't like the thought of you doing something they wouldn't do (or are afraid to do, or have been told is immoral to do, blah blah). It's a control issue - they want to control what you do, so that it conforms to their view of how the world should be. Even if what you do has absolutely zero direct impact on them, they will invent an indirect impact as they cling to their comforting stasis. To them, it's more important that they feel in control of their surroundings, than to allow other people's individual right to control their own... whatever. A million real-life examples (quite a bit more important than Guild Wars hairstylists) spring to mind about uppity people getting in our bidness, but it's the same principle, and why derail this trainwreck? (Incidentally, these are the same people who throw fits over the idea of modding the client to display textures differently. They just want to control the way you play.)
May I ask how giving opinions on a FORUM is "controlling"? I thought forums were implimented for people to speculate or give opinions about topics (please correct me if I am wrong)? So anyway, this means people that want the NPC want to control what I do too. Hmm...human nature to control..interesting...thought,Eh?

Cyon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

E/Me

For those wondering y some people are against this idea...
Honestly, i think the only person that is so vehemently opposed to a hairstylist is Mr. White Knight Lord, who has posted since the 2nd page of this thread and has managed to find enough spare time to keep reading this thread and making responses.

I don't know where his particular attraction to this topic stems from though i suspect that it extends beyond the issue in deliberation. Maybe he really feels it would be a horrible injustice for anet to have to code "so so so" much even though anet said themselves that they sell a SERVICE and their responsibility is to make the game so that it fulfills the wishes of its players [They have been doing so and thats y I and many people support ANET], maybe he is bitter that he had to remake some of his characters and he feels the rest should have to do the same, maybe he just likes to argue [but i think there might be better places or more important issues for that], or maybe hes here to make friends with all of us because of a certain lacking elsewhere >.>, or maybe having an extra NPC in town will be a serious health concern for him .

Whatever the case maybe i think he should just respect other people's opinions. I mean, they don't really affect him in any adverse way do they?

And just for anyone who may be curious...
-I support a hairstylist [Hair style and color] because variety makes a game more entertaining, and for a billion [exaggerated of course] of other reasons which somebody must have posted somewhere in this big huge thread.
-I don't support face changes, body changes, name changes, etc because my own sentimental reasons [probably people have mentioned my reasons as well]
-AND YES mr. Knight, I have remade lvl 20 characters decked in 15k armors and other such customized fineries

For everyone else who may have similar opinions to either Mr. Knight's, I'm fine with that. For anyone who agrees with me I'm fine with that also.

I'm expecting Mr. Knight to have a response to mine in short time since he has proven that he checks this thread with such fervor and enthusiasm. If he doesn't reply, i congratulate him on a new Life. And Mr. Knight, if you take offense to anything in this post, my sincere apologies, but you brought it upon yourself by being so persistent. GL everyone and have a nice day. =]

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Originally Posted by White knight lord
So anyway, this means people that want the NPC want to control what I do too. Hmm...human nature to control..interesting...thought,Eh? ...

No. That's not what that means.

Operative 14

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

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May I ask how giving opinions on a FORUM is "controlling"? I thought forums were implimented for people to speculate or give opinions about topics (please correct me if I am wrong)?
The reason why giving your opinion in this issue is controlling is becuase you have so vehemently argued that people should not have the right to an option that does not affect you in anyway. And, also, stating that people should play the game the way you do (creating disposable characters and not springing for the expensive items) and anyone who plays the game in any other way is making a 'mistake' adds to that idea.

And you're quite true that that is what a forum is for. However, it's not the fact that you have stated your opinion; it's the fact that for fourteen pages you have strongly argued against hairstylists for no apperant reason.

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So anyway, this means people that want the NPC want to control what I do too. Hmm...human nature to control..interesting...thought,Eh? No, actually it does not mean that people who want a hairstylist are trying to control what you do. As has been stated literally countless times in this thread, usually aimed directly at you, you are not going to be forced to use a hairstylist in any way, shape, or form based upon what people in this thread have asked for. Human nature to control; well, I can't really argue with that. But I'm not the one whose been arguing for fourteen pages to play the game my way (I.E. make disposable characters and delete them for frivolous reasons). I've just been asking for the ability to give my Dervish a ponytail.