Change to Favor System :wow:

Like the Luxon/Kurzick version 2.0? I can't wait to max thoose out. Just give me a decade to contribute to the new broken favor mechanic.

Yeah, this thread really saddens me. No-one seems to even have started up the game and have a look at the new system. Because if they had, they might have noticed that approximately two out of the last five or so hours we had favor. And this isn't even prime time in one of the "strong" territories (it's late at night/early in the moring in America and early afternoon in Europe). This doesn't look like too bad a quota to me, especially since in that time everyone has favor.

One could assume Anet has taken a look at their server logs to check out at what rate people max their titles, no?

Being "forced to grind" for favor? Oh c'mon, that's just silly. People grind and max titles all the time anyway, the did so before this change and they will keep doing so for a very long time.

I've maxed out the KoaBD title and think that those of us that have taken the time to max at least 15 titles should be granted entry to Fow/UW at any time.

I have nothing more to prove to the Gods until they raise the KoaBD higher. Therefore, Balth and Grenth should recognize my accomplishments and give free access to me and my party, anytime of the day.

Show the grinders some love!

I completely agree, can't wait to charge people 1k each to ferry them into UW to farm ecto, who needs to run for gold, who can be stuffed farming? I'm gonna max my title and ferry people to UW for 1k because your idea is just that awesome!

Could not agree more, have both work.

We have to put up with Beckham.... you have to type /favor... fair trade as I see it.

I am not sure how this change will work out, but I am willing to give it a chance before I decide whether it is good or bad.

The price of ecto hasn't really been affected because of this, unfortunatly :P.

Try face.

Not broken? Currently Nobody has favor. At least someone had favor before.

And europe is the closest to getting favor, so it's not that much different.

/sarcasm
Great fix.
/endsarcasm

And the biggest problem is, More people HA then max a title. So when HA was the favor changer, always some country had favor. Europe, America, Taiwan, ETC. currently, nobody has favor.

And it looks like america and eurpoe are going to get favor at the same time.

It does need to be given more time to work itself through. Anet are quite frankly not daft enough not to monitor the rate in which titles have been gained and the set number accordingly is correct.

The mechanism they have put in place does allow for tweeking of the number of titles as the title well runs dry. Our part in this process is to give accurate feedback, based on hard data so that any tweeks can be done accuratley.

It is a bizzare system tho, and personally I favor the approach used in Urgoz or the Deep, where team or individual achievements are rewarded by access as opposed to unlrelated flukes of the game. For example a complete cclear of all the quests in the UW would give your character permanent access to the UW. and the same would be the case for FoW. In other words unlock the mission and go to it any time.

We'll have to see how it pans out.

interesting idea. Maybe you could trade in X number of skill points to gain access. Like you could trade 10 skill points in to the God each time you enter? This would (maybe) incourage people to play through missions and such so they can level up and earn skill points to use to get into the Elite missions. As it is I don't have much use for skill points, as I have Legendary Skill Hunter and have bought pretty much all the skills I want.

I think that making entry tied to Titles is completely ridiculous. It makes zero sense. For this game being marketed as a one where you DON'T have to invest hours and hours of playing to be good this totally goes against that philosophy. This is promoting grinding to its upmost. I liked this game so much better without Title-reliant skills and such. I play for an hour most times, if I even have that much time. I have my fun then log out and do other things. I don't have time to grind out all these unnecessary titles.

Just open the damned Elite Areas up to everyone who reaches a certain point in the game and just be done with it. I could care less about ecto prices and shard prices, find something else to base the ridiculous game economy on.

Meh. I'm in a bad mood.

Seriously give it a chance. Anet aren't forcing you to grind anymore then they forced you to HA to get favor. The fact is: PEOPLE DO IT ANYWAY. Do you not think they didn't look at the numbers of how often these titles are obtained on average to determine how often it would be open and if that was a suitable amount. If anything it is better as the whole world benefits now instead of Europe the whole time.

And I am european! I could get into UW just about whenever I wanted, but I don't care! This system is much better then it being based on pvp battles.

Seriously stop complaining about anet fixing something that was clearly broken.

Ok... I've seen the new favor system in action, and, truthfully, I'm not impressed. Now no one gets to go to FoW/UW unless 20 other people max a title... even then, favor is only granted for 1 hour. If another person maxes a title during that 1 hour window, then favor is extended for 3 minutes.

Although I do agree with others that access to elite PvE areas should not be based on PvP achievments, this system makes things even more "broke" than they were before.

My suggestion for a fix... make it an individual thing. If one player maxes 5 titles, (and is ascended), then that character is allowed access to FoW/UW... permanently. If they want to make it a title grind, make it an individual effort. Each character that person "owns" will have to reach KoaBD for that character to have access. For some, like me who have 10 lvl 20 characters, this could take some time...

Although I can see the downsides of this, people not having enough time to play, 5 titles may be too easy to achieve, the grind of title farming, etc... I feel this would be a better system overall. Besides, once you get KoaBD, (which is actually very achievable), you're pretty much bored with PvE... (unless you make a new character)... give players a new challenge with permanent favor.

Although, it is a lower chance of drop rate, I can see the ToPK becoming a LOT more popular for ecto drop...

All this complaining and yet the system seems to be working just fine.

I'm pretty sure that's only pertained for getting max armor and max level and skills. Do you want everything handed on a platter to you?

See and this is what I have a problem with.
15 titles.
Even 5 is a bit steep.
How so you'll surely ask.
Simple - most titles are one hell of a boring piece of shit.
I currently have 3 max titles on my mesmer - and I have insane problems getting more:
1. I will never max the lucky title - the only title I care about.
2. HM titles are bull. I NEVER played GW so that I ran around and KILLED everything on the map. If I could I sneaked past foes. Plus I consider HM a massive design disaster and I never take part in it unless I farm there. So vanquishing is out of the question.
3. Mapping - I absolutely LOVE visiting the most secret places in GW! The problem is that I'd much rather look at the area then walk along a wall starring it! So mapping is out of the question again!
4. PvP titles my ass!
5. Drunkard doesn't do the trick for me.
6. Sweet Tooth is very sweet! The problem is that it requires massive amounts of cash and I am having serious problems deciding on what char should be my main. IF we leave out the cash problem - this one would be fun to have.
7. Lightbringer - massive mistake on A.Net's behalf. Titles shouldn't have an influence on gameplay. That is why I refuse to turn it let alone farm it.
8. Farming the Sunspear title - prolly not gonna happen - especially since it needs to be done in HM.
9. Keys are a waste of money - another title down the drain.
10. IDing golds - I do that on my ritu. But with the amount of golds it is impossible to max it.
11. Missions + Bonuses are doable - BUT it gets insanely boring so I doubt I'd be able to force myself to do them all on ALL my chars.
12. Skill capping - boring as hell but might be doable.

So as you can see - if I want to max 15 titles I NEED to do stuff I HATE! That for me equals going out and winning HoH and winning favour that way.
Not gonna happen.

5 are doable - Survivor + 3 for the bonuses + skill capping - but even that one is a bit stretching it.
So making a connection between titles and free entry to UW/FoW is something better then the current system BUT 15 titles just isn't worth it. I'll just buy a scroll then.
5 maybe ....

The biggest problem with monitoring past titles is simple : every title gained - which would show how often titles are gained - is a title lost.
It was gained - meaning it can not be re-gained!

Yay! I've gained Legendary Survivor on 6(?) of my chars! And that just in a few months! Does that mean I'll gain additional 6 in the next few months again?
Even I am not that stupid!
And that is why monitoring past titles isn't the data they should put that much weight on. That data shows how many titles are left rather then how fast they can be gained!

This has to be the most original idea I have seen. Kinda weird but totally original. It keeps all this Favor nonsense within the actual realm of the Guild Wars story (so to speak), unlike Titles which really make no sense within the scope of the game. I mean really, Titles makes you "step out" of the lore/story/game of GW to accept.

To keep it "in the story" you have to do certain things for the Gods in order for them to allow you into their realms? LOVE IT!!

Reallly, this is an A+ suggestion. Ya, some say it is still a grind, BUT, I say it is a much more sensible type of grind.

prime example is right now. its been hours since ANYONE has had favor cause there are not many people going after titles atm...
for the past 3 hours... OUCH...

so. yea... OH WELL.. thems the breaks...

IDK I'm will to give it a try, but if we go several weeks and when we get it we only keep it for an hour or so a week. I think it will be a problem for more people, even anet staff... Cause remember they play too, so they will defiantly notice if all the sudden no one has favor more often then expected.


I think my Passage scroll vendor in the end game areas will get looked at as a possible fair solution if the current favor system results in no one having favor too often.

I just have to ask who in thier bright mind thought this one up? ok, ok I know we are tired of Europe ruling the world till 11 pm, but does Anet think ahead? 1.) It's gonna take a while to max titles meaning we will have an hour of Fow/UW and then no one will have favor for like 3 days. and 2.) What happens when all the ppl who care enough to spend hours of grinding run out of max titles and have none left?



oh and if you have any scrolls hold on to them, cause the price is gonna SOAR!

Yup, thats what I meant by Title well. I'm sure Anet factored the fact that titles are a finite resource, even if logically, for example all people could do is delete their 21 titled character and start again, we know in the real world that does'nt happen that often. The title well i's an obvious flaw, so i'm sure they took that into account.

Two things, Havoc of PhoeniX did not originally post the comment you quoted I did

Secondly, I'm Australian. I have no control over Beckham, we don't even widely embrace soccer (See we even call it soccer).

from 5.5 to 7k in the first few hours hmmm WRONG

and shards from 2.4k-3k, imo it is a quite jump

This is IMO a huge improvement.

People who want to grind a title for prestige will continue to do so, and now they even get a little extra prestige.

People who want to get into FoW or UW will wait for favor, or buy a scroll, just like before.

But the big improvement is that favor will be fair. Everyone will have a shot to get in no matter where they live or when they sleep.

If anyone is honestly thinking of spending the time and effort to max a title to try to get 1/20th of one access for yourself, instead of buying a scroll, please find another game. You are too stupid for Guild Wars.

People aren't expected to grind titles for access. Titles are just a new, fairer, access-randomizer.

Well, I guess ANet wants people to play more grind in PvE. Getting ready for GW2, I see. That's one way to retain players, I suppose.

I actually like that idea. They could always tweak that so that when you vansquish FoW/UW, you gain perm access. Because i'm sure the majority of us here know how hard it is to clear both zones.

Its an idea, but what would you class as complete? Just clear all the mobs or all quests too... because you'd be very hard stretched to find a team of people willing to spend upwards of 5 hours clearing UW and all the quests... and wasn't Four Horseman bugged, making it stupidly hard? And more to the point... how would such a thing work, you only need 1 char on your account who has to enter on any char and would the team only need 1 person with access?

After playing Hard mode constantly since it was implemented and almost having 2 Leg. Vanquisher titles... i have a grand total of 6 FoW and 8 UW scrolls. WTB Urgoz/Deep scroll system please.

the favor system seems to be working fine right now, plenty of access to uw and fow. atm that i'm posting this, the favor is at 68 min. its true that sooner or later the people who care about maxed titles will run out of titles to max, but i'm sure that anet will change the favor system to adapt to that (decreasing the amount of maxed titles, or implementing a favor system independent of maxed titles). many people are complaining about how this new favor system will change guild wars into grind wars, but the thing is that there are plenty of people who max titles(at least right now) just for maxed titles and i doubt that people will being to max titles solely for access to uw and fow. imo, nothing has really changed, the people who grind continue to grind, the people who don't like grinding aren't forced to grind to play uw or fow.

how is it grind? You got s*it-tons of people playing the game so I doubt whenever somenody gets a max title will be a problem since there is so many people.

I however believe the number of max titles needed may need to be decreased, its a bit iffy way to get favor, maybe they will be able to fix it somehow. I havent been on since the fix because I am still on vacation but ill see very soon.

The thing is we have scrolls guys. Me and my guildies go to fow or UW whenever the hell we want because we basically have all the scrolls we need. Just do the buzzr farm out of lutgardis... scrolls up the wazoo. The only time we pay to go in is when we have favor which saves a scroll for when we dont. Favor isnt really a big problem with the implement of scrolls, just buy them for like 2k each.

Mmmmm so many opinions about this matter,

I do not like this new favour system same with many other players here, i think for anything to be done about it we should come up with better ideas for the favour system!

I quite liked the idea of there being a quota to be reached, for the Gods! (10,000 deaths for Balthazar, 1,000,000 health points healed for Dwayna and so on)

My idea is simple though, i believe we should have time slots, this would make things fair and probably keep everyone happy! (so long as the time slots provided are fair lol)
So calculate busy times for each Country etc and give them favour around those times (Time differences should prevent clashes)

I don't believe in giving favour too much to everyone as that would ruin the economy of guild wars, but i think this current way would also do the same.

If anyone has better ideas please share ^^

Thats not the point... its just stupid. Course we can't exactly tell until we actually get back onto school time and this afk event is over. But the chances are we'll have a steady flow of titles (90% Lightbringer/Sunspear) throughout the day, and either that total will last most of the night until the next days grindfest or it'll end randomly in the early hours. Which means the new system is just a complete and total waste of the developers time because it would've been 300x faster to just remove the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing favour effecting UW/FoW entirely. Or they could've spent there time developing a decent system... or they could've just left us with the old 1 and fixed the rest of the shit thats bugged and broken with the game. The Bugs Forum would be a good place to start.

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People play HA to get us favor???

Nobody is asking anyone to max out 15 titles. My point was this... If you're going to grant favor based on max titles, then the most impressive max title IMO is KoaBD. If someone like myself has achieved this level, then an unrestricted pass to UW/FOW is definitely something they should consider giving out. It's a just reward for grinding out all of these titles which took me months and months to get. It also allows players to have that elite status based on their accomplishments, something that GW:EN is promoting for GW2. Allowing unlimited access to UW/FOW for this might also give others incentive to achieve it too.

Agreed.

This change is what happens when Anet listens to forum whiners instead of thinking. They gave us scrolls to balance out favor issues. Even if they werent at a trader they were ALWAYS for sale for a reasonable price at toa. The scrolls MORE than fixed the problem yet people STILL cried for change. I hope they leave it as it is would serve both Anet and the forum people right. Favor should have been left linked to ha it helped to bring new people to ha. Argue all that you want that it doesnt but it brought me and I am sure others to ha trying to get that favor back. I went to toa after update and saw the same thing as when we had favor linked to ha ... people yelling that we didnt have it instead of doing something about it....

Hmm here's a though why not give unlimited access to people with armor of the gods (read obsidan armor)? How can you be more blessed then wearing their armor?

I have that too

so all of you tits already grinding on titles you wanted now are being forced to do exactly what you were already doing by choice

so stop the added grind BS

they adjusted facton many times to get the result they wanted

so give them time to study the logs and adjust this as well

yup the world is gonna end with this new system >_>

i log in and what do i see..... favor for 63 mins....

now 5 mins have past 61 mins of favor left

people get over yourselves and plat the damn game!

There are only two good points in the new system:
- Non permament, so favor is still 'especial'.
- Worldwide, so no region is left out.

And two very, very WRONG points:
- To slow and dependant of limited, non-repeatable values.
- There are quests that require favor, but statues are not available all the time.

The solution? There are many posibles.
- Keep avatars responding even without favor, but reduce prices when having favor to 50% and increase prices of their services without favor to 200%.
- Make favor ALSO dependant of elite missions. The more elite mission people finiosh the more favor is added. For example, +1 minute anytime a party kill one of the elite mission bosses.

This complaining is SO dumb...

THE SYSTEM IS WORKING. YOU LOSE.