Change to Favor System :wow:

Or more possible... Anet have no idea what the hell they're doing and people are just farming there max titles at the moment because they have to? Sooner or later we'll run out of people who can actually be arsed to farm Leg Sunspear.

While I applaud the seperation of PvP from PvE, I am appauled they replaced it with another system that made me rely on the actions of others to gain access to content. Entry to FoW and UW should be based on a players own achievements only.

They got the access model right with DoA, why this backward step?

in a 20 minute time span, ive watched 8 people get titles. This seems crazy enough to work...for a time.

That might all be good and well... For now. But I really think this plan lacks FORESIGHT. Sure, we might have favor at a decent rate. But what when GWEN releases, when people do not grind the old titles, and have yet to max the new titles?
And what about 6 months from GWEN release? Will people be able to keep up the rate by then?

_Zexion

Have we gotten favor yet? And does it show globally when someone's gotten favor, or is it only in Tyria?

Time will tell, Evilsod.

I'm still betting Anet looks at the stats before they rolled this out. I'm sure there will be downtime during the off hours. My guess is during heavy playing periods, favor will be pretty constant.

Moreover, given how many hours and hours it takes to farm a title, I just can't believe people are running out right now and doing it. Occam's razor says no.

All regions get favor together now. Just type /favor to see either how close we are to getting it or how much time is left.

Well, like many people have stated, I'll just have to give it a while to see how it plays out. So far I was on for 1 hour earlier and the closest to favor was 5 titles needed maxed, but then I had to get off the game. So I can see it really being a crapshoot as far as whether or not we get favor at the times that I'm on. However, considering I've seen America with favor (at the times I'm on) like once in the past month then I'd say the odds are probably greater for me getting access now.

As far as scrolls go I guess I feel pretty stupid because I've been playing the game for over a 1 1/2 years and this is the first time I've heard of scrolls to UW/FOW. I checked at the traders while in game, but there were none. Any ideas how often the traders have UW and FOW scrolls?

And on a personal note, I think the most titles are pretty ridiculous for my own personal gain. With my style of gameplay and at its current rate I wouldn't max out most any of those titles for 5 years. I don't know how much of the GW population is just casual players versus more hardcore gamers, but most of those max titles seems so unbelievably unattainable to the casual gamer its not even funny.

So for now I will standby and rely on hardcore GW nerdwads with no life shoot for stupid max titles so I can leech off their efforts to get into UW/FOW.

ANet is a very incompetent planner and developer. Seems like EVERY idea they come up with ends up getting implemented severely wrong (Kurzick/Luxon title grind) or at the least, half-assed (only 3 heroes in a party?). Big fundamental change ideas like this should've been brought to the forums for discussion long before it was implemented. Ever try and ask people - your dedicated playerbase who probably plays the game more than you do - for reasonable suggestions on how to change the favor system? Of course not. ANet knows all, but they know nothing. This is terrible. Players have been requesting a change to favor since Day 1, you finally decide to change it, yet decide to do everything on your own with absolutely NO player input? Note to ANet: you don't even know what's wrong with your own game. Hell, the guy who gave their E3 presentation couldn't even get his facts straight. Does anybody at ANet even have a clue about this game anymore? Does anybody at ANet even play this game anymore?

What a waste of ANet's time and precious "resources" to make this change when there are more severe problems at this stage. (*ahem* *ahem* Party Search window message length and trade in general *ahem*). The original favor system kind of sucks, but people had gotten used to it. Plus, with ecto and shard prices down you didn't need to farm those places 24/7 anymore to build up a stash for armors or whatnot. Scrolls were doing the job too.


Before EVERY damn expansion, I swear... ANet makes a change to something people had gotten used to. This is the big one for GW:EN. Unbelievable, and pathetic. Now they have to spend even MORE developer time and resources to fix this travesty instead of taking their time, getting it right the first time, and having that extra time to work on other problem areas of the game.

I could report the bug of the missing bridge on the compass map in Ring of Fire, but it wouldn't ever get fixed. I could report the bug of the missing bridge in Gate of Pain to the 3rd Emissary of Dhuum, but it wouldn't get fixed for about a year. This is why I don't bother to make suggestions, give ample feedback, or give bug reports anymore. ANet doesn't have a clue what players want or what the people who actually play this game need to improve their game experience. They refuse to open their ears and listen. Hint: it's not title-grind. Titles were introduced as a luxury. With the POS lengthy grind for the Kurzick and Luxon titles, and now this, titles are slowly becoming the key element of the game. Forget it.

lawl my bad,
but how anet put the pvp titles there? If there is no max for pvp titles?.

just make it open to all, with some pre entry quest/challenge maybe...

i do agree this is a rather random change

maybe make the requirement the same as hardmode?...

If anyone has actually noticed, at least 10 of the titles are not complete and there is no known max for them, like all the PVP ones. Others are simply a grind and would take forever to max. This is stupid, although the idea is kinda good, but 20!!! people for ONE HOUR??? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!??? lol

Wow. Just wow. You obviously have little or no love for ANET. I tend to disagree with most of what you've blabbed about. I'm quite sure ANET knows a hell of a lot more than you think YOU know. Good Lord...

If it gets to the point that we almost never get favor, im sure something will change.

The whole world will know when somebody gets rank 15......i wonder what kind of wispers that guy will get lol.

I love the game. I don't love many elements about the game or the people who make the decisions regarding those elements. It is my belief that this game's potential suffers moreso due to ANet's incompetent planning and implementations of things than competition stealing players away.

I'm just being honest. Don't kill me for having an opinion. It's not wrong to hold ANet to a higher standard because IMO that's what this franchise deserves.

Sorry dude, I guess I was a bit harsh. I do see what your saying; however, I guess it's my opinion that ANET has done well with much of their updates/changes since I've been playing the game.

Granted, it is frustrating when something gets changed and it forces you to re-vamp your skill sets or whatever. Likewise it is sometimes frustrating when they roll out a long awaited change that does not meet your expectations. However, I think it's important for the game to evolve and not get stagnant. Perhaps there are things they could do better, but my overall opinion is that they do a pretty good job.

Wtf does Occam's Razor have to do with this... go to the off-topic section if you want to talk about House MD.

So in short, what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is the point to this change? If what you say will actually happen then the favour will be up constantly between hours of regular playtime (note this is the summer holidays... lots of people NOT at school!), and down during the night. So all this does is punish the people who can't get online at 'heavy' playtime.

This change makes the favour system completely worthless. Either it'll be up randomly and have nothing to do with actually gaining 'impressing' the gods or it'll be up constantly and should just be removed and stop wasting our damn time with this crap.

I'm with TideSwayer... Anet really do have no idea wtf they're doing, not a single person has ever asked for the favour system to made into a title based system, and if they did people probably thought it sucked, so they do it anyway without any input from people who actually play!

Uh huh, Rockmoulder, Soul Reaping, no, not Awad. Yay, more grind for PVE. I'm gonna pass, thanks

Please change this system.

It is not going to work like Evilsod said.

The titles will eventually get max-ed out, and we wouldn't get favor then?
And to those with max titles now, this isn't fair.

I hate to repeat myself, but Anet can add more titles. They will with GW:EN, and they will if the hundreds of thousands of people in the current player base start to run out. Have a little faith.

Let's say there are 10,000 hardcore players amongst the more than 3 million purchased games. Let's say half of the titles are already achieved and 25% cannot realistically ever be attained. That leaves 5 titles left per hardcore player or 50,000 titles * 3 minutes per title = 150,000 minutes. Let's say the average hardcore player has 8 characters. That's 1,200,000 minutes or more than 2 years of favor. Let's say the downtime period is 1/2 of every day. That means 4 years of favor. Throw in non-hardcore players who can hit the sunspear title without too much difficulty and you've got oodles of time.

And let's say I'm totally wrong. Anet can change the system at will as needed.

Yes. Feeling sorry for yourself is the only appropriate reaction. Geez.

Unlinking FoW/Uw from PvP is a good idea but this update isn't just right, being based on titles is a very bad idea. How about we just leave both areas open and everyone is happy it's a game meant to HAVE fun not a game where you have to grind till frustration to play in your fav area. If favor is linked back to PvP I suggest the wins needed to win favor is 2-3 wins instead of 5.

Ganni

Lol at all the people who wanted favour uncoupled from pvp. Shows you should be careful what you wish for, since it may end up not being what you wanted at all. Oh well, HA is for fame not favour.

Give it time, it'll either work or anet will change it again. Maybe by the time GW2 comes out (or people aren't maxing titles as much as anet expected) they'll just put scrolls in the scroll trader.

Oh, and drunkard and sweet tooth counts cause the gods love beer and choccies. All praise the Gods

My sentiments exactly. The game could be great if they focused on fixing requested issues instead of adding new ones to the pile.

That is preferable to a system that punishes players who cannot switch to the region that has favor all the time. Try putting yourself in the shoes of a Japanese player.

Plus, all the Americans switching to the Euro servers means the lag is generally worse on your side of the pond.

The other benefit of this system is that players will have incentive to return to their home regions. This will mean less lag for those players, since the servers will be geographically closer. It will also mean less lag for the folks in Europe when the "visitors" leave.

Anet change something at will? Lmao. Who the hell are you kidding, Anet would leave us with some piece of crap update for weeks, maybe months till they decided to do somet about it.

And what your saying is its a good thing if Anet just turn the entire thing into a PvE title grind just to justify this shit of an update to the Favour system? Not to mention it'll completely wreck any use in the KoaBD title track if its max rank really is 25 titles... so easy to get.

And now statues look destroyed almost all the time.

There are Two quests that require favor!
What they should make is this:

- No favor.
*Avatars take 2k instead of 1k to get to FoW, UW.
*Scrolls drop normally from monsters in FoW/UW and bosses.
*Avatars take gold to give blessings.

-Favor.
*Avatars take 1k to get to FoW, UW.
*Scrolls have have double drop chances.
*Avatars give blessings for free.

Now I can't tal to Dawyna to get the quests, and wherever I go in Explorables atatues are broken...
... and I hate them like that... I've never seen them like that outside of missions! And I hate it! They look horrible!

Sooner or later will be not enough title increases to get favor...

Who knows? Guild Wars is one of the most e-peeny games around, what with all the titles and whatnot. This just might work - it's one of those things where you have to wait and see.

Anet has said that it is technically very difficult to increase the Party Search message length, but I understand they are working on it anyway. Trade is now much improved, although I agree more could be done.

On the other hand, there have been complaints about the current favor system for a very long time, and despite a lot pathetic self-pity, there have been no strong arguments against the new approach.


This mindset always surprises. It is primarily teenagers who play the game. Teenagers should theoretically be much more adaptable to change than a person who has lived a long time. Instead, everytime there's a change they whine like grandpa did when Matlock was cancelled.

I'm not saying that. Grind is optional. Always has been. Always will be.

I personally have one maxed title on one character. I got that through regular play, by accident. I have no plans to change my playing style after this change. Well, except for visiting the UW and FOW a bit more often.

Is there any point retorting to that... you did it for me. Grind is optional... oh wait we need it for UW/FoW entrance... er yeah.

Its already off and you guys really think people who want to fow are gonna wait for more teeny weeny titles so they can do fow? They will simply grab a scroll and go.

I'm sure the folks in Asia are weeping in solidarity with you.

Becoming a police officer is optional. oh wait we need police for a functioning society... er yeah.


Yes, grind must occur (as must policing). No, you don't have to grind (nor do you need to join the police force).

Bleh, I maxed a title while farming and got more than 50 PMs about it from strangers. Good thing it was not at a busy time with as many people playing as say, the amount of people playing on a saturday afternoon for example, or I'm sure I'd have gotten lagspiked and error 7'ed from 100+ PMs.

I don't like this new setup HOWEVER call me a blasphemer. I am thinking of contributing to this Favor thing by completing the R9 to R10 transition for Legendary Sunspear on my Paragon. Just for the hell of it.

Just go on do not disturb when you max a title.

If you enjoy being stalked, go for it

I think I'm going to wait until the rewards are a little better, like a favor point for each title tier in cartography instead of just for legendary cartographer or a favor point for protector instead of just legendary guardian, and then finish some more titles. And then finish those titles in the middle of the night while on "Offline" status

Your right... and reading all the crap your starting to write is optional too.

GG Anet well done.

You killed Guild Wars. I mean this system is rubbish, 15 titles to get favor?
What happens to the people that already got most titles maxed.

Sort of nullifies the point of HoH teams... Unless your that narcissistic that you get off over being in the team announced for winning.

Forced grindfest it seems to me. America and Europe often shared the favour of 12 hours either side roughly, USA often has the favour during the day here in Aus.