Epic armor unlockable only by maxing titles (i.e Lengedary Gaurdian)

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You have to laught because they have pretty much done what I suggested in GWEN. You cant get Norn armor unless you get a certain rank in their reputation title. So woop!!

Along the same lines anyway.

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I realise that GWEN is soon to be released and they might add some kinda of (what I would call) Epic armor, which is armor on a grander scale.

But the idea is simply that you would have an armor set which can only be bought after you have achieved certain max titles. Note I say titles, but I'm thinking primarily the legendary guardian title and the IVIP title!

You would still need to collect the gold, materials and rare materials for the armor. However you could only purchase it after you have achieved (for instance) legendary guardian or IVIP.

I'm focusing on legendary guardian primarily, because it would act as an incentive to do hard mode, and with the new Favor system, we need to incourage people to max titles!

Because all current armors are just a case of getting to point A or B and buying it, you dont get a real feeling of accomplishment when wearing it.

If we had armor which could only be bought after maxing certain (tougher) titles, then it would feel more of an accomplishment and you would have more pride in wearing it. Some people will say that GWs isnt about showing off armor and feeling l33t. But if that was the case, then why did Anet change armor names to include the names "elite"!

Whether it was called epic armor or something else I dont know, but it would have to be on a grander scale then other armors. Something you would notice when standing in an outpost.

Maybe have all professions be natually white and shining metal armor. Kind of king like! You could have it be craftable in the Hall of Monuments after you add certain max titles to your records!

As I said, GWEN is soon out and we dont know what elite armors will look like, so they might do grander gear yet!

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jrk247 made a good point.

This would solve a major issue about people ebaying the gold for armor. Lets assume you didnt require the gold or materials once it was unlocked (i know it would change the idea slightly). You would have an armor set that you had no choice but to earn yourself, and it would be impossible to resort to ebaying or other methods to make gold for it.

As jrk247 mentioned. one reason FOW and other expensive elite armors have lost their status is because players ebay (or use ther methods) to make the vast gold required which could be concidered illegal.

The end result is we have an armor set that could be considered truly "elite", and would require actual effort and achievement to attain. No cheating or getting around it! All your own work! That cant be a bad thing right?

/signed

Even though I think it should require the ''My Apartment Smells of Rich Mahogany'' title, which might be introduced in GW:EN.

grinding titles for armor ? not in my game!

just because I don't like title-grinding doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to get armor I want.

Well this might actually give me an incentive to work towards the title, instead of just helping guildies who are working towards it and leaving the last few parts incomplete as I usually can't be bothered finishing up the parts they hero/henched.

As for encouraging people to get the titles, as of this post we have 1'238 minutes (20 hours, 38 minutes) of favor remaining. This is higher than about 700 minutes at a similar time yesterday so at a brief glance I'd say that getting favor simply isn't a problem.

Personally I divide titles up into two groups, the grind titles (where you repeat one action over and over, like drunkard or allegiance) and the task-list titles (where you need to complete a list of tasks, but only need to get each title once, like cartographer or protector). Personally I'd prefer that armours are only linked to the task-list titles. However I'll only object to armours linked to the LDOA and survivor titles because there are many characters who are permanently unable to get them.

/signed for task-based title armours
/meh for grind-based title armours
/unsigned for LDOA and survivor based title armors

You already have to grind money to get armor. You want to grind titles, too? No way, not signed.

Good Idea->

You dont have to grind for the armor its your choice , serioursly you cant just bash ideas because your inable/lazy to go for the titles. It would be far better if they added sets for titles then even people who dont farm all day and do titles can have a sense of accomplishment.

/Signed.

Grinding out the factions allegiance for skills was already a bad idea.
If I don't have to grind for the titles until GW2 is out , I might do it but not otherwise.

I'll sign only if the armor has an anti-gravity build in like those musaat have. Because if you're a VIP, you might as well be walking on air.

This armor isnt a necessity though. If it was then I would agree with those comments. But its not.

You have countless other max-normal and max-elite armors to buy ingame. All ranging from 1k to 15k. So if you dont want to "grind a title" to buy this armor then you dont have to. This armor would be primarily a reward and an incentive to max certain titles.

You're bound to have certain players who think "damn you, I want every armor set ingame, but I dont want to grind a title to get it". But why should that stop them adding the armor?

Just because one person doesnt want to put a certain amount of effort in to achieve something, doesnt mean it shouldnt be added.

Plus I dont concider maxing legendary Gaudrian a grind! I concider anyone who aims for both protector and gaurdian worthy of some respect! If you think trying to complete all bonuses and masters in NM and HM is a grind, then i have to question your dedication to the PvE apect of the game.

If you dont want to achieve protector and gaurdian, then that is your choice. But alot of players (like myself) get great satisfaction from it and it would be nice to have a reward for doing that.

But we do need some incentive to max titles now because of the favor system, and we badly, desperately need some way to incourage hard mode playing.

If that icentive is a unique, epic armor set then great! Why not reward that?

Well... you have to beat Shiro to get the Elite Imperial and Elite Exotic armors, beat Abaddon to get to the Primeval, and make some quest in order to get to the Obsidian armor crafter.

I would agree with more thing like that, but titles? No.
Titles are optional. I have quite plenty of them, but I don't want to haver others forced to grind for some titles just because others did.

Imagine if only those who got max luxon/kurcick were able to get elite luxon/kutcick armor...

Geez...

Titles are, IMO, the worst GW has to offer. They are generally boring to grind for and pointless to have. With the exception of very few titles, I wish they had never been added, or at least added in as titles and not as supplemental content.

A reason to work for them? Bleh, I want to enjoy my game time, not have it feel like work. I love the art of GW and armor is part of the art. Adding grinding titles to a part of the game I do enjoy would further destroy what was a great game at one time.

Horrible idea, sorry.

/no way in any way shape or form signed.

You lost me there. So you want titles to be added in as titles? Say what?

And you don't want additional content to be added as supplemental content? Huh?

You're speaking in tongues.

Anyway, it would be nice.

/signed
Sick of Anet going on about "the casual player"

More of game completed should = more rewards
And titles are part of the game

/sign
But only for the non grind titles, the "task-list" ones. Guardian is not a grind, want to know what is a grind, allience, teasure hunter, wisdom. I'd say vanquisher is also somewhat of hybrid between the two, seeing how even if it is a different zone, they do get repeatative.
I say legendary Guardian is a winner, gives reasons to strive for it, and it not much of a grind, doing a mission 2 times on different difficulties is not a grind, do the FFF 12 thousand times(this is the number of times needed for savior of kurzick) if you want a grind.

Again with the anti title speach. I dont mean this to sound bad, but no one forcing you to grind those titles. If you dont like titles, then dont earn them! If my idea was to be implimented, you wouldnt be forced or need to unlock these armor sets. It wouldnt improve your gameplay and it wouldnt be a necessity to continue. Titles and any max armor is purely optional. You can choose and pick which ever armor you want, but you dont need to own every existing kind of armor.

The only argument I have heard so far against this ideas is...

"Well if I dont like to earn titles and if I cant have this armor, then no one can, so im not signed!!"

...and that seems a rather childish attitude to me.

Understand this: title are optional and this armor would be optional. You wouldnt have to own it and no one would be forcing you!

It would be purely a thankyou from Anet and a reward for taking the time to earn Legendary Gaudrian or some other high end title. Are people seriously suggesting that Legendary Gaurdian is a grind, despite all you have to do is complete all parts of a mission a couple of times?

Why do you play PvE if you dont enjoy re-doing missions?

If you consider earning LG a grind, then you must consider rolling a whole new character a grind because its basically the same principle!

He's not asking for 160 Armor on each peice only a flashy look

As OP said it wouldn't affect game play and if you choose to miss titles thats your problem

Before you say "Anet want to make everything availible to everyone so nobodys left out" explain the mini's only avilable through magazines not every country gets

I do feel Anet neglect the hardcore gamers sometimes and listen to the people that (in this case) can't be bothered working for it so say nobody should get it

If honestly can't submitt enough time and are a casual player then why would you care what armor others have? you see it 5hr/week ?


EDIT : I quoted that as thats exacly how i feel, didn't make the reason for quoting clear in my post

Since these armors would be in GWEN, as the OP said, instead of making the armor for things like Legendary Guardian, which would require owning the three previous campaigns, make them tied to the groups we are going to meet in GWEN, I think I remember something about four new titles tied to the different people we will meet, when you max out their title, you get a piece of this new armor, when you max all four, you get the fifth piece to complete the collection. And not when you max the Norn title, you get say the chest piece, you get to choose which piece you want for the people who might find the armor ugly.

Thats likely to happen anyway, or atleast some kind of armor related to the different new races like we have luxon and kuzack in factions. How you aquire that is anyones guess.

What im trying to suggest is having rewards for maxing certain titles other then just having it look nice to show under your name.

There is nothing wrong with having armor that would require you own all 3 games, because we have titles which require you own all 3 games. If you can have one, then why not the other?

You need all 3 games to aquire all possible heroes too! This idea already exists, so why not branch it out into armor?

The idea is that this armor would be a reward for completing all 3 games on the hardest setting possible and for guarding the tyrian world the best you can!

You cant do that if it doesnt include all 3!

We also need something to incourage players doing HM and to have a unique armor set available only to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, it would be a huge insentive! Armor being one the most sort after things ingame.

I like your idea too, but thats likely to be implimented anyway I expect.

To be honest I don't like this idea whole lot. Getting an armour piece as a reward for completing a series of quests or missions? sure. Having to grind out a max title - No thanks.

I think titles should be there as a small reward for people willing to put in the time to achieve them. They should not be a pre-requisite to getting actual items in the game.

The overall cost of an ascended armour set is enough of a barrier to the average player as is, why add yet another obstacle to obtaining nice armour? Isn't this game supposed to be about the fun and not grinding?

On a little aside - I think A-Net knew what they were getting into when they added titles to the game. A certain percentage of the hardcore GW players wanted something to show for the hours they were putting into the game, titles gave them that. However they must also know that offering more than a trivial reward for time spent could be a slippery slope - the more they start to reward time spent, the more people will demand it, and the more it slides towards being a bog-standard MMORPG.

4 Races
4 Armor Set's per proffesion

Logic FTW

ok i HATE that idea but to throw you a bone why not make new armor a part of the upcoming mission packs

/signed, basically because I'm sick of seeing everyone with FoW just because it's the most expensive armor to get and I've even seen people admit to eBaying every set of FoW they have. So having armor like this would be a nice change even though I'd probably never get it. It would show what people actually spend time to get armor instead of just buying it with money. And it would reduce the amount of sets out there so it would actually be something to admire. I mean back when GW was fresh everyone was like, "Woah FoW armor," now it's like, "Meh FoW armor..." So adding a new money/time sink armor would be nice and would make something for hardcore fans that are waiting for GW2 (not I) to do.

yeah,we need more fow like armour.

this would would be great imo, had my doubts at the start.

did anyone feel fow was for the casual gamer? they did they it was graind free?

no, wasnt nesicary but remained.

maybe gaurdian for a couragious hero aspect

or KoaBD maxed for one, these would be hard to get ,hece the point, and it is OPTIONAL, like fow?
did ye complain, "oh fow is too hard to get, make it made with only cloth and dust"


/sign

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, beyond those four armor sets is a fifth, that you can only get pieces to my maxing the titles in GWEN. Plz read. I understand wanting people to play in HM and to own all three previous chapters. But frankly, HM is just gimmicky with the double everything approach and that is why most people don't like to play there. And I also understand that they want people to buy other chapters they don't already own, but if you are going to do something, at least make it better than just armor that you only get after beating gimmick mode.

Well I have been wanting armours that actually look magical for a while now, though I was thinking more like a Margonite semi-transparent arm effect. And since these armours will require a lot of work to acquire, it makes sense that they should look really special.

However I agree that the stats should be identical to the current max stat armours

Well I wasnt suggesting the armor be more powerfull or strong then other elite armor. It would have normal max stats depending on the profession as all other armor does ingame.

It would purely be very nice looking, grand armor that looks impressive and....epic! *shrugs*

A thank you for getting max titles...a reward for getting max titles.

The reward for getting a max title is funnily enough a max title.

I'd agree with quest linked armour pieces etc but not to legendary guardian/Ivi etc.

/unsigned

Titles are supposed to be a fun alternative thing to do right? They are supposed to be something you opt to, or opt not to do right? I think we agree with that.
15k armor (for example) is also supposed to be fun and optional right? I think we agree with that as well.

What you are saying is tie one optional thing to another, thusly making the first optional thing no longer optional if one wishes to gain the second option.
Therefore, that title becomes mandatory grind (or a wall) in order for the player to get what he/she actually desires. It would be no different in saying you can't have access to X title until you grab 5 sets of 15k armor and at least one set of FoW.
Biggest problem for me here is that the title system in GW sucks so bad, it drains the fun out of the game; however I did enjoy gaining and even working towards affording that armor I wanted. If I had to (and yes HAD to) grind out some stupid title before I was even allowed to purchase the "optional" armor, yet more fun would be removed from the game.

So, it's a bad idea in simply that it removes this "optional" choice even you are preaching and makes it mandatory for some players - as some players enjoy gaining lots of armor sets (as shown with the HoM coming out and the ability to showcase the sets you have earned).

As for your example of LG; it is grind. HM is supposed to also be optional and something to do after you have finished the game in NM. This further presses optional titles and optional game modes as mandatory for some players to get what they want.

I guess to put it simply; if having a title isn't enough reason in itself to have, then perhaps that title isn't one you should be working at getting.

/not signed again; still a really bad idea.

i kind of like it (added content is allways good imo) but i think this is what we may be getting (or something simmilar) in GW2 anyways.

No one is forcing anyone to get titles, there are plenty of other things to do in this game....if you feel OBLIGED to get titles and yet you dont enjoy it....something is wrong.

I remember seeing Fishh in the title notification text within the past week or so. Congrats to you.

However...although I don't recall which title it was that you achieved, it seems suspiciously convenient that it was probably Legendary Guardian. If that is indeed the case, the credibility of this idea is gone. It essentially becomes "I have an achievement that other people do not; how can I milk it for more of an advantage over everyone else?"

Not to mention that there is no system in place for ranking max titles among each other. Who are you to decide that the Exploration titles are more or less significant than Skill Hunter? To create a special armor skin for each and every one of them is an impossibility, and inevitably some people would feel slighted because their title of choice isn't "the one."

/not signed.


edit: fixed a syntax error. Lack of proofreading ftl.

/not fu**ing signed -.-

Titles are optional prestige content, so not supposed to get you extra stuff
You wanna see more and more gold sellers ? you'd have to ebay yer "Epic Armor"

Seems like a cool idea it would definitely be only for the legendary titles that you get from having multiple titles of the same type (cartog, guardian, skill hunter, vanquisher). These are the titles that take the most skill and for the most part aren't grind guardian probably having the least grind of all pve titles and taking the most skill (vanquisher might be about as hard more time consuming for sure tho). Giving an armor for completing the biggest accomplishments in pve game play seems like a pretty good idea to me.

/signed

That's the whole idea behind adding a title (or titles) that you can't just buy with real money, so it would actually be work to get this armor not just the money/mats that are needed (not saying it's not work to get FoW if you get it the legit way). So this would reduce the amount of people just buying real money for this armor, sure they can buy the money and mats but they'd still have to actually play the game to earn the armor.

I really don't know why people don't sign for this, if you don't want the armor don't get it. Are you afraid someone else will have a more prestigious
armor set than you? -__-

No

12 chars....

Lets assume all you had to do was get that max title and you had access to the armor, without any need for gold or materials (I know its a change to my original idea). Explain to me then how you could possible ebay that armor?

And even if you still did need the gold and materials, you still need to max that title firt which takes effort.

You probably did see me achieve legendary skill hunter and VIP. So no I dont have legendary gaurdian, but I am 8 missions away from it. But how can you say my opinion isnt credible just because I already have some maxed titles? That is just arrogant!

Ofcourse I'm going to suggest this idea if I have already maxed most of them, why else woulld I suggest it?

And are you going to suggest that completing all 3 games in both NM and HM isnt an achievement worthy of rewarding? Ofcourse LG has a higher status then exploration, skill hunter, the widsdom or treasure hunter titles or any other pve title. LG show you have put the effort into completing the game to the hardest setting.

Im not devaluing any other max titles, because I have most of them. I worked hard for them and they are just as impressive as the other. But LG is far more important then most!

Again with the negativity towards titles. Why does everyone assume that because they think titles are either rubbish or flawed, that everyone else does.

I happen to love gaining titles and I think they are the best thing Anet added. I also love HM so I dont consider any aspect of it a grind!

Try to look at this idea from a perspective other then your own. Not everyone hates these things.

/signed, but with some exceptions.


I've always thought that the whole system to get FoW or Vabbian armor is one of the biggest mistakes in the game design, as it requires to grind for gold and is the only reason that keeps the ebay gold sellers alive.

Less than 1 week after NF was released, I saw a dervish with FoW armor.
Well, it's hard to believe that dervish in less than 1 week was able to collect 105 ectos+shards playing or farming in FoW and UW lol.
I also bought my dervish a vabbian as soon as I reached Kodash, and I'll probably do the same for my paragon, ok I like the skin but I feel I somehow cheated, using the gold earned with another char for it.

No achievement is requied to get a FoW armor, just ectos and shards in your storage. And those can be obtained farming endless hours in UW or somewhere else, ebaying or even without playing at all, just sitting in Kamadan and trading, without killing a single foe.

Same is for tormented weapons. You can buy the armbrace and get one without killing a single foe in DoA. Wrong game design imo.


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That said, it's clear that end-game armors like primeval are much more valuable than Vabbian or FoW, because they require 1 achievement, that is very easy but at least is an achievement.

That's the line to follow.

When you became guardian of a continent, you are allowed to craft i.e. the Tyrian Guardian Armor. If you own all 3 campaigns, you can achieve the Legendary Guardian armor.
The cost could be something like 15k per piece + normal materials. Skill should be rewarded, not gold amassing.


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Now, which titles should be considered for a special armor?

Guardian of course, one for each continent + the legendary one.

Vanquisher is something in between, it's a lot of grind but you need to fight, so I'd be undecided about that.

All other titles I think are pure grind, even cartographer. I have both Tyria and Cantha GMC, and I know they don't require combat skill, just endless hours facing the walls, that is no skill and 100% grind.

/not signed

I don't like getting titles. I do like getting the armor I like, this would force me to go get titles if I happen to like one of the armors you can get.

Put an armor crafter somewhere behind the endboss of an elite mission, that would make much more sense to me. Take Mallyx for instance, very few people are able to beat him now that he must be dealt with head-on, doing that is an achievement that warrents some elite armor in my opinion.

Can't Ebay titles..wanna bet?

You can find just about every service in game if you offer the right amount of gold for it.

WTB Alcohol
WTB Sweets
WTB Masters Run
WTB HM Masters
WTB Leveller
WTB Un'id Golds
WTB Elite Tomes

You've all probably seen those. Lets see how many max titles that makes.

Drunkard
Sweet Tooth
Protector (3)
Guardian (4)
Survivor
Wisdom
Skill Hunter (4)

oh look, it's possible to easily Ebay I'm very important.

I can then use the exact argument against you're idea.

I dont like playing elite zones, I hate them infact because I find them a grind and personally not fun. For that reason I can then say we shouldn't have elite zone armors at the end of elite zones because I could never get it.

See how that works?

However, I wouldnt say that. I would fully accept them putting elite zone armors into the game because Im not spitefull. Even if the armor was really nice, I would accept that I could never get it because it. I would never try to because I wouldnt enjoy the process of getting there.

So why is it so unacceptable to have armor that wouuld require maxed titles, just because you personally dont like maxing titles?

The armor may be nice, but you dont have to own it. We have dozens of alternative armors ingame to use, so you can't argue that its unfair to have one set you cant reach just because you dont like the road to reaching it.

It wouldnt be any stronger or more powerfull then your existing max set, so its not going to give a huge advantage. Your opinion is purely driven by vanity and the want to own something that looks nice then what you already have.

Is it really that hard to see someone in a set of armor, and not be spitefull just because you cant aquire it (because you dont like the process of doing so)?

There is an attitude in this game of "well if I dont like the road to unlocking that particular armor, weapon or object, then no one can have it!". How is that far on those who have put the effort into actually achieveing that goal?

There are players ingame (like myself) who like maxing titles, while others done. Just as some players love elite zones, while others hate them! There are nice looking weapons that are only attainable inside elite zones, but you dont see me winging that I cant get them!