Gaile on HoM

It's obvious this game revolves around the pvp side so the pve people that work so hard to get maxed titles get a stab in the back when it comes to the hall of monuments. I mainly play 1 character which is my monk which has 14 maxed titles so far and more to go. But as far as putting them in the hall of monuments HA! Nope! Oh well, i was questioning myself about buying gw2 HA! nope!

First impression of HOM....

Well, during the preview event I managed to open up two of the shrines.

As my PvE character had spent forever getting as many green weapons from all the other campaigns, I opened up the weapons shrine first.. only to be informed that only high end EoTN weapons can be shown here.. EoTN is an expansion yet has more importance than the original game and sequals. This sucks.

Secondly, I opened up the armour shrine and to my horror when I placed my elite luxon mesmer armour down, the display on the shrine shows male and female necromancer armour. Great, all that time spent in PvE getting the specific armour I wanted to get, goes to no avail. I dont use male characters.. why show male armour? I dont have a necromancer, I have a mesmer.. why show necromancer armour on her shrine? This sucks.

The rest of the EoTN preview was simply breathtaking and superb but this HoM is the biggest let down I have ever seen in GW.

HoM is an embarassment and a disgrace as a reward for the efforts players have put into their characters...

EotN as it is, a very good game, I like it a lot. HoM as it is, a very rubbish part of the game, the guy behind it should be sleeping with the fish. Won't stop me from buying the game tho, I like bear and big woman you see. Shame really that there's no monkey in this game and the eagle is just a big chicken.

I don't often, of ever, bother to post criticising game features but I must admit the HoM was a huge disappointment.

There seems to be little or no reward for PvE titles like Survivor, Treasure Hunter/Wisdom, vanquisher, cartographer except for a tiny passage about the KoaBD title. I honestly don't want to be remembered by a title that's based on pop culture parody.

There's now no reward at all for Drunkard and Sweet Tooth and I personnally have stopped bothering with booze after 7000 minutes drunk.

The armours being non-specific to your character also is rotten. GWEN weapons only I can live with so long as alot of weapon skins are recycled in the expansion.

Customising mini-pets is annoying but bearable. I don't care about mini pigs and most other pets, but customising my Kuunie seems harsh.

Overall applying GW2 heritages only to characters of exactly the same name is woeful, I honestly thought the game accounts would be linked and any character would be able to spawn heritages so long as I had a character on GW with the max title.

Gutted. I'll still buy GWEN cause I thought it played really well, but I'll pray that they see sense and change the HoM.

I hate that idea as it implies that weapons found in EoTN are superior to ones found in Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall... if this is the case then all weapons from these games are obsolete as soon as EoTN is released.

They should "at least" allow greens to be shown here, from any of the campaigns.

I like the idea that the heritage can only be tied from one GW1 char to one GW2 char. That's fine with me, but I would like to see all of the chars in the account stuff displayed in the HoM to make it worth seeing.

It'll also needlessly complicate trading.

Assuming gold weapons from GW:EN are recognised in the HoM...

How can one distingiush between an Elemental Sword dropped in NF to one dropped in EotN?

This is totally confusing, since the hall of monuments is unique 'per character', this must mean that if you get lots of acheivements on each character, you must get more stuff in GW2 (which is the whole point of the hall of monuments). But how do they expect us to get lots of good acheivements on every character?

Is it worth it to work on every character, rather than just focus on one and get some 'legendary titles' or something? How is the 'link' between GW1 and GW2 going to work? I can't find any satisfying explainations around here...

I really don't even care about GW2. Getting a bonus there is not something I need or care about. I really wanted a place to show off all my green weapons and titles. Kind of a big library of stuff I have collected or achieved just to show me and my friends.

I can only say I HOPE the HoM wasn't quite ready - I do NOT want to see any toon other than ME in my HoM.

I can say too that having to get that ridiculous hero armor just to show heroes is mighty bad - people get drops all the time and I got exactly none. And what about Razah? Isn't he already in the only armor he can get? The HoM didn't take him.

GWEN is awesome, HoM, well, I hope it wasn't entirely working.

The only reason I collect mini's at the moment is because I have did everything that I've wanted to in all 3 campaigns until EotN is released. But if the mini becomes customized then isn't there the possibility of the mega rare ones becoming either obsolete or even more expensive because no one can buy them or use them except for their current owners? What about the mini roller beetle? Only 100 of them in the whole game, what happens if they all become customized?

so we cant use those heros once theire placed in the hall of monuments?

QFT! QFE!

HoM is the most asanine, insulting implementation of a "Loyal Customer" reward I have ever seen and a pathetic tie in to GW2 which most of the playerbase will not be able to take advantage of. What a waste of developer time.

IF ArenaNet want's to fix HoM they should do the following:

• Pets: Flag pet to show it's been used in the hall (text in pets description to prevent ripoff sales). Pets are not customized and can be used by anyone then and yet they can only be used in hall once this way.
• Titles: Any and all title levels should count not just max and not just pvp. You're displaying achievements your characters have made. It is irrelevant if those achievements are not oober maxed, they are still achievements.
• Weapons: All high end weapons & maybe Greens should be shown from all campagins
• Armor: High end is fine but get the display right. Warriors should not be showing off Necro armor and Mesmers should not see monk or whatever.
• Heros: Show all unlocked heros regardless of "armor upgrades".
• Tier the rewards as they show up in GW2 to take into account different level of titles and things.

worst. implementation. ever.

the hall of monuments looked like it would have so much promise.... now its just a big dissapointment. and oh yah i feel bad for the guy who lent his panda to a friend for his hall, and then found out it was customised for his friend.

After the shocking customization of my 4 high end mini pets I went directly to ANET asking them to remove the customization. As I stated previously they said no. This is my last correspondance to them. The one prior to this included a link to THIS petition. I am pleased to say I believe the GW community is being HEARD! But here is my last correspondance with them:

I would like to clarify something/ask a question too. This is exactly what the Devotion monument says when you go to customize a pet. I customized a Mini Pig this evening intentionally so I could clarify this. This is what the second prompt says:

"Miniature Pig will forever be marked as yours. No one else will ever be able to use this miniature. Are you sure you wish to proceed?"

Option 1
"Display Miniature Pig customizing it to you forever."
Option 2
"Think it over some more."

(btw there are not "several "are you sure?" style decision points" as GM ***** suggests, just one and it isn't very clear)

It says display mini pig customizing it to YOU forever. It does not say customizing to this CHARACTER for ever.
Customizing it to me makes me think my entire account.
It's mine to use and no one else can have it.

Also -- When obtaining quests in your quest log you use different colored text to alert you of certain criteria with the quest. For instance, if I needed a particular hero to accompany me on said quest it would show up GREEN. If the quest I was doing was a [Solo] quest it shows up RED warning me I am about to do a quest by myself. If a quest is very DIFFICULT it shows up RED [Master]. Why then would you not put something so permanent: "Display Miniature Pig customizing it to you forever." <--- IN RED text WARNING/ALERTING/ATTENTION so it could not be mistakenly missed?

Please note the link that I submitted previously is growing enormous very quickly and the original poster put a link on his message that stems to a Gaile Gray thread which also is ENORMOUS full of /signed fans saying please change it.

And that's what I have to say,
Thank you for your time,
Kristy


I am quite disappointed to report that with out further reply they closed the ticket and that is that. What does this mean exactly? Do they not care? They have had not much to say about anything as others have said. And here they just ignore me. Ah well. ANET staff if you're reading this. I will NOT purchase GW:EN -or- GW2 unless you do something about my customized mini pets. End of story. That's about $200.00 US dollars you will not be receiving from me OR my husband.

/signed!!!

(the referred to petition can be found here:http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10189667)

[QUOTE]news for you

once something is customized they are unable note unable to go in and uncustomize any item.

Loviatar: Aren't you just a little bucket of sunshine?? I understand they are customized. MOST everyone hates HoM and the crap they are attempting to pull with it. MOST everyone wants to see changes made. I understand they are now customized. Now I want to see something like a hat trader. Where I can use ALL of my mini pets through out my account like I always have been able to.

News for you THEY are the developers and programmers
of the game. They can make ANYTHING happen.

All you have done is quote most everyone on this thread and find some way to flame them or bash them.

Don't you have something else better to do?? Like play your ANTI EPEEN game or go outside and play??

/Signed x5

MOST players had all kinds of misconceptions in their head about HoM despite being WARNED that HoM was not 100% finished and that NO promises were made on how HoM would work exactly AND the fact you were WARNED that your minipet would be customized if you proceeded.

Next time, read before you click on Ok, dont blame other people for your own mistakes.

So you would agree that using the HoM would be a mistake?

No, I'd say read what things do before you click on them.

I wouldnt add a Kuunavang though, no, but then I'm not all freaked out about HoM anyway.

Gaile

The problem is simply

The purpose Of HOm and what people want from it is conflicting


1) I do not care what I will get in GW2 from inheritance

2) What many people want including me is a place wherein I can see all my achivement s and trophys in 1 place. At this stage I am not trying to see what benefit I will get in GW2

But I would love HOM to summarise
1) All the minipets that my account has in 1 place
2) All the maxed PVE titles in 1 Place
Warriror - Survivor
Necro - Drunkard etc

From you post I can understand that you are trying ti justify that a single person cannot inherit from several characters .true i agree on that point

But I dont want HOM to be split upon characters

How and what benefits we get in GW2 i would leave to anet teams to break there heads for.

But for the sake of simplicity let me have an option to display all at 1 place

Otherwise ,
I log in in my warrior take friends along to HOM show them my miniptes
then I will have to tell bro wait i minute I will log in with my monk now to show u drunkard titles , wait now i needs to log in with necro to show heroes
now wait i need to log ........

When I show my friends my HOM I want tos how what I ( that me) have achived will all character in this game

HOM needs to excecute 2 things

Simplicity - That means presentable and simple

Execution - In GW2 what permutations and combinations should go so that what benefit who will get I dont care You have programmers for that

Many folks including Gaile Gray have stated that the HoM was supposed to be inaccessable for that weekend. Many folks have also stated that it is supposedly not 100% completed. Why then were people able to access an unaccessable incomplete portion of completed product which was to be released for SALE 1 week later?

I accept full responsibility for my oversight. My original e-mail to ANET was stating the fact that it was 2AM and I did not read what the button said. But one of their GM's suggested there were "several "are you sure" decision points" which is incorrect and the minute you push the accept button EVEN if it were accidentally for some folks. It goes straight to cut scene and it's permanent. I am NOT the only one who made this oversight/mistake. I am NOT blaming them for my customized mini's albeit I think it's sneaky as hell the way they are doing things. And as I stated earlier I do not believe it is very clear.

However since it is an "unfinished" "unaccessable" portion of a product I don't see why they are unable to UNDO anybody's mistake in the HoM and FIX it to some degree to keep their fans happy so that all of those who had misconceptions on how it SHOULD have been will have something to be proud of ANET for.

Honestly all I knew about the Hall of Monuments was that it was a place to display your achievements. That is it. I knew NOTHING other than that. I did not do any extensive research. I didn't even know about the whole heritage thing with GW2. I know a lot more now that I made MY MISTAKE. The hall of monuments is overall confusing and unfullfilling for most. Obviously there wouldn't be 300+ negative posts about it versus you and the other spreaders of good cheer (sarcasm implied) 20+ e-peen, you're stupid, it's incomplete, could care less, /unsigned, stick a thorn in your side posts!

And that's about all I have to say about that!

[QUOTE]and so do i

GO BACK MUCH EARLIER ON ANOTHER THREAD AND YOU WILL SEE MY IDEA OF A ZOOKEEPER WITH PETS INSTEAD OF HATS.

10 gold and get customized minipet of choice for that character

Gaile even said the idea proposed by me and others would be passed on

was that idea help or flame?

news for you

they cant change the database even for Gaile who deleted 3 long term characters a few days before she found out about the birthday minipets she missed by a few days.

they cannot change an account or *spoof* an account due to the design.

the dev closed servers are a different story than the main live database

A mini pet trader like the hat trader would be a fine solution to yet another mess A-hole-net have made.

They are simply crazy to think players would be fine with customising their minis.

If they didnt listen to the player community (Im 80% of cases they dont listen to us anyway), GW would have had no players left a long time ago.

People, what we saw during the preview weekend was just that.... a PREVIEW. I highly doubt it was fully complete at the time. I believe it will be completed, with PvE titles and whatnot, after GW:EN goes live.

Be patient and wait at least a couple more days before you pass final judgment on the HoM.

I dont want to disagree for the sake of it but I just think that a PREVIEW is not a DEMO or a BETA, so it should show us what the completed product will look like.. players pre-order to obtain a bonus weekend of the full game, not to be guineaa pigs/beta testers or whatever you want to call them.

Changes have occured in GW in the past on all campaigns but I cannot think of any major changes to the game, yet the HoM needs a MAJOR overhaul for it to be accepted by the vast majority of GW players.

I said this in another post, so I will say this again here to see what others think.

When we got to one of the first Norn out posts, the one with the Norn fighting arena, there was an NPC that told us that we could get a "Book" that would keep track of all our accomplishments. There was also an NPC that said the same thing at the Eye of the North (this one was Ebon Vanguard). However, they would not give us the book and told us to come back a week later to obtain it. I am pondering if this books is somehow related to our PVE titles and accomplishments that will be added into the HoM at a later time (aka after completing the EOTN game).
Just a speculation, but what do you think?

wrong on all counts.

we were given access to a small portion of the early game not the full game

and the HOM is not the game but a display case that even before the event was stated as not finished.

the vast majority of the people playing the game myself included will visit the scrying pool to look at cinematics and then leave it without a second thought.

2 years from now when GW2 goes live i will put minipets in and see what comes out of the GW2 side.

most people are playing the game not grinding titles to try to impress the few people who are impressed by pixilated items

GWEN is a game to play

GWEN is not the hom

[QUOTE=Loviatar]news for you too

Anything can be programmed into this game if Anet decided to do so. Anet want's customized stuff to be able to be uncustomized then they can program it to be so. They just have no inclination at this time to spend the man hours to do so.

Customizing minipets for HoM is stupid and never should have been done at all.

I *did* read it, and I *did* customize my Kuunavang.

When Faction came out, we couldn't find a CE. I collect dragons and reptiles in real life, so my daughters went out and farmed enough money and ectos to buy me a Kunnavang.

I have no intention of giving up my dragon, so customizing was no problem at all.

Ok I have read this thread and it seems that the HoM is not well liked in the condition it was shown in over the last weekend. Personally I am going to reserve judgement on the hall until after the game goes live and ANet has a month or two to work out the bugs. However I would like to see the following changes made in that time.

1) Minipets- Customizing to a single char sucks. period. I would like someway of sharing between my charactor. I agree with making them unable to enter the hall a secound time, through customization or whatnot, but let me enter my pet and still play with it on any of my charactors.

2) Weapons - I think green weapons that are customized should be able to be enshrined. Maybe some high end golds but they should be perfect. They should also be collectable from any campaign, not just EoTN. This is supposed to show my in game accomplishments for the whole game not just EoTN.

3) Titles - What were you thinking. PvPers hardly care about crap like this. please add our PvE titles here. KoaBD is cool but not at all a berometer of our accomplishments

4) personal hall - Ok I belive accomplishments in the hall should be per charactor, and should pass from one char in GW to one Char in GW 2. But really lets make the hall a display of accomplishments across an account. For example if Alyssia enters her armor, all my charactors should be able to see it and have a plaque that says enshrined by X. But when I enter my hall I should beable to see what I have accomplished and easily show it off. That is what you sold us on.

the HoM can be fixed very easily while maintaining the idea that enshrined items can not be shared amoung friends and the inheritance goes from one charaactor to the next, while still accomplishing the idea of a place to show what we have done and the time we have spent playing your game.

I have faith ANet can fix this, pease dont let me down.

I've posted some information from the design team about the Hall of Monuments as it relates to miniatures. You can find the page here.

In short, don't despair of you've customized your miniature, and don't worry about the process of getting credit for the mini, because some changes will be made in the next few months, certainly before the end of the year.

maybe EotN needs more dev time

sounds like with 2 teams working on it, it's still being rushed out, even when this has been promoted for a very long time

it's kinda hard to consider this good news when in the span of 2 weeks we've gone from high hopes, to immense disappointment, to it's not even near working order

You could have just put a big sign that say "UNDER CONSTRUCTION" in front of the hall, y'know. Do not enter without a hard hat and all that.


Ah well, at least you guys are going to do something about it.

The Hall is a feature that ties to Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars 2 will not even be in beta testing until the second half of next year. What we're offering now is the early stages of the feature which, like all features, is always in a state where we can respond to player input and make even better over time.

This is not a case of something not being functional. This is a case of us being flexible.

As they say in Red Dwarf, "Don't panic!"

[QUOTE]it was first even mentioned about 4 months ago in PCGamer.

if that is a very long time for you that is your problem
wrong as usual

it has gone from fantasy expectationg of storing everything you have in the HOM when you had been already told it would not be a storage.

as Gaile said it was not finished and IT MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE

that means she did not know if it would be accessable or not.

no more, no less

an opinion not any stated fact one way or the other

also the hom is the LEAST of GWEN as it wont be doing anything until GW2

this is a game you are buying with a little memento closet stuffed in a corner not a monument with a bit of landscapeing outside

I understand the back-end, rewards part of it won't be realized until GW2. Virtually noone is concerned about that now, if you read the big HoM poll thread.

The thing that more concerns me is the front-end aspects that appear to be irreversible: customizing pets to one character up-front, when we don't even really know what the outcome is. I sympathized with one forumite who didn't realize he was customizing 3 high-end pets to his character, because you earlier stated that nothing will be permanent. Also, because heroes can only be added to HoM with armor upgrades, this is forcing people to do start farming hero armor upgrades, EVEN IF they preferred the original armors. This is also a front-end, irreversible action.

So to say that things are changing may be true, but we are being asked to take leaps of faith making irreversible commitments up front, without knowing what the end consequences are.

Therein lies the paradox: use the feature that has been hyped and pinned as the great tie between GW1 and GW2, when it's incomplete, poorly conceived, and subject to change?

So... sigh

It's cool and all that other characters in your account can use them now, but, I don't see why they have to be customizeable in the first place. I understand that guildies and friends could just pass along minipets for free, so everoyne can get them in their hall, thus ruining the purpose. But now that they become customized they slowly leave the market, leaving several people without the chance to get these mini-pets. This is especially the case with some of the more rare ones, but even the price of commons will start to go up over time.

It's just sad in my opinion.

Umm, you can change a heroes armor back to it's original state after you put it in the HoM. And hell, from then on you always have the new armor unlocked, and you can switch back and forth. Hero armors are a win-win.

Note, I'm not arguing about the armors the monuments themselves have on, just the npc heroes themselves.

so basically i won't be using the HoM until i'm ready to start GW2

Please please please never become a Systems Project Manager. Ever hear of cost / benefit analysis?

FWIW, it would be much easier for them to give you a new mini than to create a new method to un-customize.