Gaile on HoM

This is going to be my 2 cents

2 things,

1. HOM DEFINTELY should be account based simply because, I as a player believe that my account is actually one big family, leading to a single descendant that are able to gain the benefit from many. even if I wanted a alt gw2 character, I'd still be happy if my original gw2 character were the only one that had all the eye candy. as for the problem of descendants and inheritance; a possible alternative could be derived from a old pc game, Dungeon Siege your character could be a jack of all trades, OR be a grandmaster of a single profession. one is powerful, while the other is more versatile. that would still retain the flavor of GW, and showcase our accomplishments as a whole at the same time. I'm sure all the lore loopholes can be worked out if we can have intraspecies breeding in GW2.

2. I'd like to refute the account based titles vs char based titles, How can my monk have the hero title track, if my warrior earned it in HA? but wow look at that! my monk has the title! I'd like to ask the devs at Anet to stop being retards and actually think how titles really affect us as a player and a consumer. nobody has the time nor the patience and the skill to play to gain all the titles on a single character for a unknown sparkly effect in GW2. if the player himself/herself actually accomplishes that across all their characters, the player is already a KOABD for having the guts, patience and persistence in doing that, and it really shows their dedication to the game.

I'd want to reward the players themselves for playing the game, and purchasing character slots, rather than punishing them for seeking a more diverse experience. the characters aren't sentient, the person sitting at the keyboard is. WHO gives a flying fig if a specific character did it, we all know who's really behind the scenes controlling the character is. Besides, to tell you the truth, true roleplayers that like to act out stories and what not is a remarkably small minority in GW, WOW has a bigger fraction, but still just a minority. yet, Anet, you seem to think we all stand around and go oh Balthazar's Flames! the lich is opening the Door of Komalie!!! and we have to kill him on that magical stone to close it!

Give Me A Break!

I don't really care whether stuff in Hall of Monuments gives bonuses in GW2 or not. However in the context of GW1 alone the current state of HoM seems like a huge amount of wasted potential to me. It's very limited, boring and not fun. I really hope some adjustments will be made before or after the big launch.

I have another issue which I have yet to see any reference to here. It was my understanding that the hall also servered the purpose of bragging rights. Well I tried to take a guildy in to my hall and show off what I had done. I have all the tapestries displayed, 3 minis(still grumbling about customized), Olias is Displayed(I usually never leave home without him) .....My guildy and I entered only to find a bare hall. Now if I cant take anyone in with me, then please explain just who the hell am I showing it off to, Myself?

I would go for that answer had it not been for the fact that the Honor pedestal had its small note about my accomplishments.

I think the solution would be to display the HoM of the party leader. Havin it display randomly is pretty shitty and smells of lazy developers. The random organization of the heroes (keep pressing reorganize till you like it) also smells of lazy developers. Has ANet gotten lazy or is the expansion just an after-thought to keep some revenue coming in while they spent their main effort on GW2? I don't think that's the case though. The rest of GW:EN is awesome. it looks good, it plays good, it's enjoyable. i think they just had a few turds assigned to the HoM that aren't as good at their job as they thought they were.

I got very disappointed when i saw the HoM as well =/

I spent 3k hours playing GW, i got 11 PvE characters (plus 2 PvP), several of them with ascended armors. I got 20+ minipets, some of them rare.

And what will i get?

10 HoM almost empty, with like, one armor set and/or one weapon for display and maybe a title.
1 HoM with some titles, 1 armor set, 2~3 weapons, and no minipets because i don't want them customized.

As some people have stated previously here, i would like to see my accomplishments as a player, not as a character, because i don't wanna have only one character, i was given 9 character slots and i bought another 4 of them, and for what?

I really would like to know how the inheritance is going to work now =/, because if this is the way it will work, i will stop playing all of my other characters and focus in only one for the rest of the game, so i only make and focus in one single character in GW2 if i get it... i will purchase EotN for sure, but if i keep playing several characters and the HoM doesn't change, I won't be getting GW2.

Indeed, who cares about my HoM?

News Flash: I DO.

If nobody cares about his/her HoM, WHY HAVE IT IN THE GAME THEN?

So in the end it goes back to char based vs. account based titles. I've argued for the latter before and got shot down I think. Time to argue again . ALL titles should be account based to reflect PLAYER achievements.

We'll never get that, but I completely agree. The character focus is ridiculous, in a game where most players have at least 8 slots and Anet are always willing to sell you more.

HOM was frankly a brilliant idea that is basically - sadly - lacking any real use in its current format - This feature got so many people excited - providing synergy with GW2 - great idea!

I wanted a place that allowed a certian personal feel - that actually meant something to PvE players - nevermind!

Lets see

* Customized pets on Character, not account - fail
* Heroes require armor upgrades to display - could live with that.
* Titles - only hardcore PvP titles count. Hello? I though this was like ... PvE thing. double fail. Its just freaking stupid.
* Armors - yay, armors of other classes and genders are being displayed. WTF? - fail
* Weapons - so, none of my current coveted weapons are good enouigh - double fail.

And most important: Character based?

Good concept, i'll give anet that, but execution is flawed in so many things... its just wasted idea and wasted work as it is now.

The way I see it, there should be one HoM per account.
In that one hall, all achievments from all characters would be in it, with the name of who got it.

BUT

In GW2, one character only inherates from one character out of your HoM.

You must be r12 hero and/or r9 champion to make the honor thing react. Wtf?
There must be like 100-200 players who have reached r12 in HA and the very best GvG players are like r6 at most... Is that a joke or what?

exactly, just like i said before.

And continuing the thinking... how many of those players even have a PvE char and are going to give a whit about moving them through the PvE world to a far off shrine? Now if there was a link from the Temple of Balth to the HoM, then you might see some use.

Instead ANet is going to force its top PvP players into the PvE world. Well... I guess that's better then trying to force all the PvEers into PvP. Oh wait.

Please change it to account based. Please let us put achievements from any character to the same Hall of Monuments so you can have a grand overview of everything achieved in Guild Wars, no matter on which character.

Also, as suggested, a minipet customization system similar to the festival hat system would be awesome.

And last but not least, please allow us to put all maxed PvE titles into the hall. I guess that it will be added when GW:EN gets final, but for now I miss it. I especially have been working on PvE titles because of the Hall of Monuments.

NEWSFLASH

THE EARLIEST ANYBODY COULD ACTUALLY USE/BENEFIT FRON THE HALL IS WITH THE RELEASE OF GW2

a year and a half to two years in the future

right now they are working on GWEN which will be used right now.

the present epeen self worship impress people hall is a ........PLACEHOLDER

GWEN is now and your shrine to self worship can wait a few weeks/months with no damage at all as it wont be used for well over a year.

me..............i will have fun playing the game while you scream for a bigger monument because you...........worked so hard for it...........in a game

You've just summed up a reason why some people like me won't bother with HoM or GWEN to begin with. Wait for a few weeks/months? I'm not gonna wait when there're something better for me out there.

The entire thing is just POINTLESS, no matter now or 2 years later.

the point of HOM is to allow some transfer fron GW1 to GW2

that is its primary use.

GW2 is not coming out soon so why does it matter if they have a PLACEHOLDER hall for a while while the fix other more important things we will be playing right now?

is a shrine to your self so important you cant wait a few weeks/months to admire yourself?

Wow, your post wasn't entirely in caps and bold.
/congrats

Just because people want it done right doesn't mean it has anything to do with "epeen." Anet spent a lot of time talking about HoM and the role it would play in GW:En. So many people are upset with how it came out. I know I don't want to see a necro or mesmer when I see my warriors 15k armor. It should be the armor I put up not something completely different.

How is the Hall of Monuments a placeholder? What is it a placeholder for?

True. If it was a "placeholder", the area inside the monument would not be accessible. And if it was (accessible), it would not be semi-functional.

We're either looking at the final-product, or something close to it.

And how do we know that it isn't in its finished state?

Rule of online games: Don't make people wait for content or you kill your game, ex: Phantasy Star Universe, Rf online and every other Asian online game that refused to update the U.S servers in a timely fashion. Waiting until this Friday I can do, months - no. HoM isn't even for admiring yourself, it's something to do and feel like you've accomplished something/gw2, it was pretty much the reason I was interested in Eye of the North.

if everybody is missing it obviously i am explaining wrong.

try a different way.

if you put for example one of my mini pigs in the hall and 2 years from now GW2 goes live and i get *GW1 MINI PIG GW2 UNLOCK* unique GW2 minipet and all GW1 minipigs equal the exact same UNIQUE GW2 MINIPET no matter when they were entered right how does waiting a month or so for them to fix/polish have any effect on GW2?

except for someone who wants to show off right now

/off topic Jebus... if people playing GW think they're grinding they should try RF. It's enough to make your eyes bleed. And that's coming from a perfectly content WoW player (me).

/ontopic

While I think there is definitely a lot of room for improvement with the HoM, Loviatar has a point (even if I don't necessarily agree with the way he makes it sometimes). Give the devs some time to digest the reaction from players and wait to see what happens.

I just hope they listen.

Well so do I.

Not aimed at anyone in particular >>>

/sigh... I didn't really want to weigh in with the "I should know" argument, but having worked in games for the last seven years I know hot air when I see it and there's been a heck of a lot of it round here the last few days.

The word "beta" has been thrown around a lot, GW:EN is not beta, it's gone past Goldmaster and is either being pressed right now or will be in the next day or two. Hell, it probably already has been, and is being packaged as we whinge.

But, and this is a big "but" it's a PC game. PC games often hit the shelves with the devs knowing damn well it's going to need patching the minute it's installed, so while I don't necessarily agree that anything is "placeholder", it's certainly going to be looked at if the devs feel it needs to be. Judging by the backlash over the HoM I'd be surprised if they didn't review it.

That said, I do agree with whoever it was that said it, that as far as Arena.net are concerned, this is pretty much how they planned it to be. You can judge that for yourselves from Gaile's posts. Whether or not it stays that way is largely going to be dependent on whether the response they get from the players is not just some 30 page bitchfest, but rather we offer opinion backed up with some good reasoning. And there has been some of that, but not a whole lot.



/applies flame retardent body stocking.


My personal opinion:

Per character seems fine to me, expected that anyway
mini pets - NPC or account customising works better
Armour - profession specific would be better, but i really can't see myself wanting to get people to admire my epeen anyway.
Lack of PVE title recognition - pretty sucky. Doubt I'll bother with getting past PKM.

That is what people were saying about the SR nerf.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

The HoM is the only wrong thing I've seen in the Preview.
- You can't remove heroes from the monument once you add them.
- You can't use the miniatures ith your other characters once you add them.
- No PvE titles can be shown in the hall, only PvP.

I'm dissappointed with HoM however I agree with Lovitar in that what we are seeing this weekend is unlikely to be what will be the end HoM. The devs will be seeing the feedback here and hopefully will (as they have done many times before) change things accordingly. I liked the solution to minipet customization similar to the festival hat guy and I believe Gaile did as well and will pass it to the devs. I totally see why they went that way but I think a Zookeeper in town would keep what they are trying to prevent from happening and still keep us able to swap minis around our chars. I do very much want my PVE titles displayable and correct armors etc, but that is perhaps just like all the quests...just not enabled YET. That does not mean it won't be enabled ever or even enabled by release. I love the story/scenery etc I am willing to be patient with HoM and have faith the devs will see and respond

edit:

Regarding the Beta/Goldmaster thing Seraphim just posted above, while a good point, I do think it should be pointed out that GW is NEVER as it is in the box, it is online. They update and change content very often so in that regard I think whether this is beta or goldmaster is rather moot.

Thing is, they should have anticipated this reaction and have been ready for it. Take the armor issue... did they think that we'd wouldn't notice that "our" armor in the HoM was for a different gender and class than our character? It shouldn't have been that difficult to program in a simple Get/Set command to find the exact armor and show that one. In fact, unless they use the same two armors for each type for everyone, it should have been a little tougher to program in the randomization.

Again this also goes back to the lack of communication. They should have made it clear that they weren't going to show your specific armor from the get go.

Well, yes it never should be as it is on the box, given the nature of MMO games. But there is a large difference between beta and gold. Beta should be feature fixed with all alpha bugs fixed, but that's still a way from Gold. Could be anything up to three months, maybe more for an MMO. Not sure, never worked on one. But I wouldn't call it moot. Actually, if anyone thinks my banging on about beta/gold was in defence of the devs it wasn't to be honest. It was more about not using the word beta as an argument for it not being finished, or not what was expected. Eh it's late, tired.. not sure i made my point very well there.


Well people are communicating their displeasure now, we could at least let them get through the weekend before expecting a response. I dunno, I'm not sure I want to be told everything before it happens.. maybe that's just me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly impressed with the HoM either...

The armour issue could be intentional, it may be a bug. We just don't know yet, though I tend to think it's pretty much what was planned. Guess we'll find out on Friday.

Well I see this thread has diminished into an arguement. As far as the armor in HoM on display; my thought is that it should basically be the same image used on your login screen. It would be realistic and surely very easy for the devs to do.
Personalized minis.....While I TOTALLY understand their fear of ppl exploiting this feature, I do think that account based customizing is the way to go.
I do think they may have set themselves up for this "Bitchfest" by promoting HoM as a sell-point for GW:EN. As with all online games there will be a patch(always is hehehe) and things will change. Our job as responsible players is to:

1. Enjoy the game..........And GW:EN is a beatiful game so far.
2. Give our feedback about the game in a less-agitated manner.
3. Enjoy the game.

There really is no reason for people to be attacking eachother in this thread. It is purely rude and uncalled for. If you want your opinions to be taken seriously then present them in a mature/polite manner. With some of the posts you people are making, if I were the Dev or rep from anet reading this.....I would click the happy little "X" on the right top side of the window.

TO THE POINT?.....Some people here need to mature a little instead of throwing dirt in your fellow player's eye.

TO the DEVS:.....The Game is beautiful so far, and we will be looking forward to the few "minor" bugs being fixed over the next few weeks. And Thank You for a very nice game. Which we get to play for free(no monthly fees rocks)

Bye All

what I was expecting from the HoM was something like this.

each account had 1 hall in which all the titles that had been achieved were on show. If you looked closely at any title or clicked on it I would give information like.

"Legendary guardian achieved by characters A & B"
"legendary Survivor achieved by characters B &C"

while pets armour etc could have a small space on the wall for each character.

This would allow players to see what they have achieved and share this with other people in the way it seemed to be described.

As for moving on to GW2 the titles would still be specific to each character and could be linked back that way. So in 2 years time you decide your first character is descended from character B you would have whatever benefits legendary survivor and guardian give on just that character. While another new character descended from character A would just have the benefits of legendary guardian etc.


As for the pvp titles I would suggest having access to the monuments when you reach rank 2 of most titles and rank 3 of hero. These titles are not to hard to get and will update as the player gains more rank. (I even thought having a small representation of the animal you have like deer, wolf, tiger or phoenix as the monument) This would at least allow the HoM to be used as most people thought it would be.

The silly high ranks for pvp titles, character based halls (esp for minipets) seems a really bad idea which in its current form makes the well publicized HoM into a bit of a joke as it currently stands. However this is a test weekend and hopefully devs will look at peoples ideas, general feedback and make adjustments. I am quite confident they will make this better in the same way they removed the silly restrictions on players being in guilds for a set time before they could participate in ATs, the players said this needed reduced and it was adjusted by the devs not to long later.

Has anyone managed to put at least one weapon on display in HoM then? I have tried with most green I got from previous chapter and some drops from GWEN and could not put it on... maybe I did something wrong, I dunno...

But, HoM as it stands for me, is gonna be mostly empty with the exception of the minipet section, and maybe armor section.... kinda still shocked with the pvp requirement... Dun't think imma gonna bother much with HoM... I'll just enjoy GWEN, and forget that HoM ever existed...

I am lucky because I have 1 main character that has titles (which cant go in the monument....), mini pets and armors. I havent been around long so thats the reason. really sucks for those who have multiple characters.

The only thing I found disappointing about GW:EN is the Hall of Monuments. I play multiple characters on a daily basis. I plan to unlock all the primary profession skills for every character type, which, at a plat a skill in a very short time costs a lot, so each character gets only one set of elite armor. I detest PvP because I am terrible at it, and will never get into it. Right now, if I were to set up my hall, I would have one set of armor on display. Since I never really bothered with the challenge missions (I prefer the other PvE stuff), only one of my characters has any heroes to be displayed at all. So about the only thing on the fellowship monument are pets charmed. My spider on my ranger, and an "animal companions" statue for the hero pets. Including the Black Moa my one hero has.

I have 30 individual mini pets, only two of which are displayed because I was dumb enough to not notice the customization the first time (I had not read this thread before I started). Luckily they are fairly common ones one of which has already been replaced, but now that monument is useless to me.

So, while the idea of the Hall is nice, it is pretty useless to me. It is also useless to a lot of the people I play with a lot because we all play multiple characters, swap mini pets among those characters, and tend to just relax and enjoy the game.

When a character gets a tapestry as a reward, I will go hang it so I don't have to store the tapesty. Other than that, the Hall of Monuments is basically just a place on the map for me.

Maybe in the future I will care about GW2 and inheriting stuff from past characters, and find that the Hall has some purpose after all. For now, though, I plan to just play through the story line, enjoy the dungeons and the repeatable quests/rewards, and ignore a certain place on the map unless I have to go visit the scrying pool again.

Woodsy

Please quote me where I stated I want to transfer "things"?

I know full well what I'm going to get in GW2. Cosmetic and what not.

Please tell me, is it wrong that I happen to CARE about such feature? After all, someone gotta do that. Otherwise, why would Anet make such feature available to begin with?

The 2 biggest things that dissapointed me is the fact that only pvp titles seam to count and that all my effort finding great weapons in the previous 3 chapters is meaningless.

Why are only GW:EN weapons concidered for the Hall?????

Is a Crystaline that drops in GW:EN somehow better than one from FoW??

A Zodiac Shield from GW:EN vs one from the Deep??

Can Gaile or somebody please explain how this makes any sense?