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Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

24 Aug 2007 at 14:39 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by free_fall

OK, I'm a bit confused since I haven't really been following this whole GW:EN/HoM/GW2 thing very closely, so maybe someone can clarify this for me.

Is creating a HoM REQUIRED for playing through the GW:EN PvE or is it an OPTION for those intending to purchase GW2?

If it's optional then I guess I'm safe since, at least from what I've read about it at this point, GW2 doesn't interest me in the least.

If it's required to play thru GW:EN PvE, then I guess I'm screwed since I have lots of chars (and, hence, lots of heroes) that I trade weapons between, weapons that I'd prefer not to be "customized" for a single char obviously. And if that's the case, I'll take my 2 (unopened) pre-order packs back to EB Games for a refund.

I'm pretty sure it's just an optional thing. And the way the Hall of Monuments is now, I choose to never use it.

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

24 Aug 2007 at 14:41 - 242

It's optional, just don't put anything on it. It won't affect GW:EN in anyway, just GW2.

Chieftain Heavyhand

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

wpg

24 Aug 2007 at 14:49 - 243

Like PvP, HoM is something I'll not be (if it stays the way it is) participating in.

Whining and voicing a concern of a product (a new product at that) are 2 very different things.

Matfei

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

None. Being a loner X-Fire: matfei1

W/Mo

24 Aug 2007 at 14:54 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

I guess this means your HoM will be inherited by a character with the same name in GW2. This is disappointing as many people would like to change some names they did.

That sort of takes the whole 'lineage' idea out of it.

Anet: "Oh yeah. The Asureans invented cryogenic storage... Sorry. You're choices are limited if you want the spiffy new items. Now do you want your character thawed?"

Personally, I'd like to create a new descendant.

Star Gazer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE]

W/

24 Aug 2007 at 15:15 - 245

and from what I saw, most of the new 'races' are not human. what the hell kind of descendant would a Charr or an Asurian make for my war?

Matfei

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

None. Being a loner X-Fire: matfei1

W/Mo

24 Aug 2007 at 15:20 - 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Star Gazer

and from what I saw, most of the new 'races' are not human. what the hell kind of descendant would a Charr or an Asurian make for my war?

One really screwed up genetic mishap.

I await to see how they clean this up.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

24 Aug 2007 at 15:22 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matfei

One really screwed up genetic mishap.

I await to see how they clean this up.

Family does not have to be of the same race.............................................. .

bobrath

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Scouts of Tyria

24 Aug 2007 at 15:24 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isfit

Monument of
Fellowship: Crap, why can I only display Heroes when they have an other armor than the standard armor?
Honour: Wtf? Only PvP-Titles, and this so high? Did you completely got mad?

Fellowship - why reward everyone for doing something you do as part of following the storyline?

Honour - Maybe so high because this is supposed to be only for something special or extrodinary

Maybe we all need to step back and think of the HoM as a holding place for truly amazing accomplishments and not something that just anyone can do. Not to mention that until we hear how this all works out in GW2... why does it matter so much? You can just wait to immortalize your uber self once you know more what its going to mean.

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

24 Aug 2007 at 15:30 - 249

Rework that honor monument and lower those rank requirements, ESPECIALLY Hero to 3, otherwise people will be ticked off to no end.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Aug 2007 at 15:31 - 250

Whoa no make hero 6 at least.

jkyarr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Earth, mostly

Hotties Of Ascolonian Rule

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2007 at 15:32 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer

Honestly.... do they expect us to do titles on each and every character?

What else did you have to do for the next 2 years before GW2 comes out? LOLZ!!! Evidently anet thinks we all fit the "video game players have no life outside playing their game" category.

So rack up titles on one character, memorialize him/her in the hall of monuments and then do it all over again ad naseum! Aren't you entertained by doing the same thing 15 times over? Anet thinks so! All the farming and titles in the game back up their findings! We're content to sit and do the same repetitive tasks... no arguing that. Are we really surprised that we're being set up to do them clear through until GW2 comes out? That's just good marketing!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............... ...

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

24 Aug 2007 at 15:34 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Whoa no make hero 6 at least.

If the atmosphere in HA was more welcoming I'd agree, but with the way it is, 3 is the best way to go. Considering it's next to impossible to PuG in there until you hit 3.

Rothen Kithkanan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Between a rock and a hard place

Pah, who needs guilds?

E/

24 Aug 2007 at 15:52 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkyarr

Aren't you entertained by doing the same thing 15 times over?

clearly some people are, based on the number of characters they have. Seems they're quite happy to go through each game X amount of times, but only want to get each title the once.

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

24 Aug 2007 at 16:00 - 254

You guys have not gotten it yet have you?

After all this time in GW and you still don't understand Anet.

This is classic Anet move, implement something that people won't like much and then fix it to their liking and bam, everyone loves Anet again.

Just wait and they will fix it the way people want it.

Absolut Monk

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/

24 Aug 2007 at 16:01 - 255

The clock was ticking into the early morning on the East Coast. 3:01AM. Finally! I log onto my character and delve into Eye of the North. Pure elation! The music was awesome, the graphics were cool. I felt a feeling close to giddiness as I journeyed closer to the Hall of Monuments. I had seen all of the movies, read all of the reviews. I felt prepared for what I’d see.

The Monument of Devotion would be where I could finally unload these 35 minipets off of a storage character and set them on a shelf, how cute!

And over there, the Monument of Valour! Maybe it would be a checklist of greens found throughout the world, a place where I could amass an arsenal to prove to the future that Absolut Monk was worthy of her name. Maybe it would be a place I could enshrine my precious Long Sword of Enchanting that I’ve 55 smited so many foes with.

Oh yes, and the Monument of Resilience! I could unload my seven sets of 15k armor off of various storage characters and set them on a shelf so that future generations can remember what I looked like.

Gasp! The Monument of Honour. This is what I’ve been waiting for, as my monk truly is absolute. Having 24 maxed titles, I had imagined seeing something truly worthy of showing off to my friends. In fact, my 25th title is just around the corner! Maybe I can run those last 500 chests this week before the game officially launches? It would make that monument/statue thing light up with a thousand shades of bling!

And then I got there, and I feel disgusted knowing how much time I’ve wasted on my character. There was no bling, only burlap. “Please select a PVP title to display on your monument”. I was shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that even my KoaBD track barely got a footnote along side of chapter completion. I can display my title on my character and get the same effect!

So at close to 5:00 am this morning, I shut down my computer. I will log back on in a week, with a clear head and a better attitude, knowing that ANet will make it right.

Performance Pudding

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

post ascalon

Over The [Wall]

W/

24 Aug 2007 at 16:06 - 256

Quote:

Ouch I have to complete a set armor just to make it showable.My Necro is wearing Luxon,Kurzick,Canthan 15K imagine how much money I need to complete these set.Most of my others char also wearing pieces from a lest 2 sets. Imagine money needed to complete them.

longa thatsucks and all but think of it this way. i have 2 sets of grotto and 2 sets of citidel armor so theres 1 set each down the drain then i got a elite sunspear with elite kurzick helm 2 peices of primeval and a vabbain chest piece so ya i have to buy like 8 more 15k peices then all those rubiesandsaphires which will probably go way up thx to probably asura armor. then again i was planning on getting every armor set for my war so ya lol. i just wish tere was a way to store it. (like most people my storage is full of items)

Healers Wisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anaheim, CA

BoMB

N/

24 Aug 2007 at 17:01 - 257

I dont know why so many are surprised by the one GW char to one GW2 char transfer in the HoM. It has been said the whole time, and now that it is here and confirmed you guys are acting like its the end of the world. I mean really, how many of you out there benifit from all of your ancestors accomplishments.

Look at this from a real perspective, we can take a family heirloom. Usually they are passed down from generation to generation, but goto one specific person. In my family it is a bible, this bible has my family tree writen in it for over 500 years. It is very vluble in my family, but it always goes to the oldest male child of a generation. Not to all of us, just one though it shows the history of my whole family. That is how I expected the Hall of monuments to work. But it seems like every char will be a different family, nbd. I still plan to aquire titles on my three main toons.

As for the minis, I understand custimizing them, but I hope that they are customised by account. If not, ts not the end of the world, but it will make me sad as all of my toon like to play with my Koss, Asura and Hydra

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

24 Aug 2007 at 17:24 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

4) screw the whole minipet thing, not worth it

LMAO!

I am disappointed that all those hard earned PvE titles won't carry over (need to max one more for PKM).

Quote:

“Please select a PVP title to display on your monument”.

From GW website:

Quote:

The Monument of Honour shows your titles and accomplishments, including finishing a campaign.

No mention of PvP ONLY titles. Misdirection?

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

24 Aug 2007 at 17:36 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Nice, so this is how Anet rewards players buying character slots.

What have you done for Anet in the past 5 minutes?

Quote:

You guys have not gotten it yet have you?

After all this time in GW and you still don't understand Anet.

This is classic Anet move, implement something that people won't like much and then fix it to their liking and bam, everyone loves Anet again.

Just wait and they will fix it the way people want it.

Eventually people will get it, what they do then I can only hope.

w00t!

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sorrow's Furnace Hot Tub

RoS

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2007 at 17:45 - 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

festival hat maker lets all account characters have fun with any hat

so what would you say to a zookeeper NPC?

10 gold and pick the customized pet you want for that character

Absolutely perfect suggestion.

Amongst all the flaming and ranting you posted a perfectly sensible solution. Meets both Anet's and player's needs at the same time.

"I submit it to you Greg" (semi-obscure movie reference) that Minis are different from titles and weapons and be treated as such. I have no trouble making titles character dependent, but they are much more like festival hats in that:

1) They are vanity items
2) The provide no in-game benefit to the character

Not only should there be a zoo-keeper, but his name should be Loviatar.

Mindcrime

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Sweden

[Dark]

W/Mo

24 Aug 2007 at 18:01 - 261

Buhu. Give me a break. First day of the pre-release of GWEN/HOM and everybody seems to believe that the current state of HoM is finalized. lol, wait until the real release before crying out loud.

JGaff

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Lotus Eaters

Me/

24 Aug 2007 at 18:05 - 262

Meh, you guys ought to raise less hell and more gold. I think the best measure would be allow for players to enjoy their HoM in their own way.

For instance, a Monument to a R3 hero is pretty plain, but as you increase, so does to grandeur displayed. This would be equitable in that those who didn't want to grind could enjoy the fruits of their labor as much as those who wouldn't sleep until their hall was trimmed with awesome.

Also, I enjoyed putting my Male Mesmer's Obsidian set in his monument. I'm going to assume the Male Rit/ Female 'Sin is a placeholder.

Granted, I've known Anet to slip up in the past, I have no qualms about the issues being addressed in a timely manner. Communicate your dislikes in a clear, precise manner while offering a means of improving the situtation. I have seen some very agreeable ideas posted within this thread. My guess is that Gaile doesn't want to be the punching bag for your frustrations. If you'd like to be treated in a prompt and courteous manner, I'd suggest acting as such. Whining/flaming isn't going to bring about change.

I'll get off my pedestal now, but I'd like to mention That at least I'm enjoying the preview this weekend. I don't expect any PC game to be flawless at first. Like any great wine they tend to improve with age (and subsequent patches too!)

Havre Fras

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/Me

24 Aug 2007 at 18:07 - 263

6 or 7 days till release.

Think ANet can fix all these issues in this time?

Oh and how come we had to, erm, "pay" for access to the preview this time?

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

24 Aug 2007 at 18:09 - 264

I think I'll wait until GW2 is a lot closer to release before I do anything with HoM. Who knows, I might not even me interested in GW2.

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

24 Aug 2007 at 18:27 - 265

HoM is the only disappointment for me.. the rest of the game is great (from what I've seen so far).

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Aug 2007 at 19:26 - 266

Well Mendes is posting again, so that's good enough for moi.

RSGashapon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Sol 3

R/

24 Aug 2007 at 19:31 - 267

I might as well shut the doors and weld the locks on my HoM, because I refuse to use it in its current state. The building amounts to nothing more than a half-assed "Museum of Customized Grinding".

Count me out as another disappointed player.

Jette Antral

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 19:55 - 268

Truth be told, I don't really give a crap about most of this stuff, but the minipet thing really upset me. Customizing them to your account I could understand because you're right, but preventing your other characters from using them is ridiculous. I have only about 5 minis, compared to my 10 characters. I only really use one, mini Mallyx, who would be obscenely expensive to obtain a duplicate of. Even if you could only attach a mini to one character's Hall, I'd really like to be able to display him on other characters. My price problem is bad, but other people who have miniature Kanaxai-s and Vizu-s would really have a problem.

This having been said, I greatly enjoy all other revealed aspects of EotN.

Meo Yeong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Canada Eh!

Test

Mo/E

24 Aug 2007 at 21:04 - 269

I agree with many posts about HoM needing to change how minipets are customized. Good thing I used a mini pig to do it lol but regardless now that mini pig can only be used on one character. There is no way I will customize my mallyx or kun if I can only use it on one character. If it became customized but usable on all of my character across my account I would be happy with that. I would also be happy with the idea of it being like festival hats where I can submit my minipet and remake it later with it being customized tothat character. As many mentioned the HoM is character based and not account based so they would have to set up the pets that when you submit them if you want to get them on your other characters either an npc or a command like /bonusitems (/minipet [name of minipet]?) is available.

Anyways something needs to be done about that and teh HoM minipet shrine needs to be account based!!!!!!!!!

cR4zY-n^

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Zadar - Croatia

We Work As A [Team]

Mo/E

24 Aug 2007 at 21:06 - 270

Thump up for HoM.

Looks perfect to me.

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

24 Aug 2007 at 22:46 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isfit

Monument of
Fellowship: Crap, why can I only display Heroes when they have an other armor than the standard armor?
Devotion: Crap, make minipets Account-Customized, otherwise I will NEVER put ANY Minipet on this Monument
Honour: Wtf? Only PvP-Titles, and this so high? Did you completely got mad?
Valour: The only Monument that I dont have anything to complain about.
Resilience: Why the hell cant I see my Char there?

Just my 2 Cents, hope A-Net reads it.

This pretty much sums it up for me. Thanks for the preview. It's good to go in with open eyes. So this is "GW:EotN... Vehicle for bridging GW1 and GW2". So far, I've learned that if I want to use this vehicle, I should ignore missions, vanquishing and cartography. I shouldn't bother putting any effort into the appearance of my character. Because none of this will be reflected in any consequential way in the HoM, and it will receive similar attention in GW2. Instead I should devote 18 hours a day to PvP. Endlessly farm and spam WTS in order to acquire gold for armors. Cut each character's inventory down to 10% in order to make room for all the customized mini pets... because these are the only things that matter.

Well at least I can say spending $5 is much better than spending $40 and finding out I have absolutely no interest in this.

Maybe I will eventually buy GW:EotN... but only after I spend the needed time to collect the appropriate monument building criteria on all ten of my characters. Which, given the most conservative estimates, will be roughly 10 years from now. If you want to make it strictly character based, and practically ignore all the accomplishments I've gathered so far, then you will have to wait for my characters to be ready before I buy... It's your call.

w00t!

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sorrow's Furnace Hot Tub

RoS

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2007 at 22:48 - 272

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkyarr

FAIL! Nobody from Anet is standing by your desk with a gun to your head forcing you to play the game at all, let alone dictating how you play it.

Agreed

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkyarr

now we're getting down to language that is expressive of what your real wants are. My interpretation of what you said is, "I want a reward I haven't met the established requirements to receive so change the requirements so I can have things my way".

I agree in every aspect except mini-pets

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkyarr

Please remember there is something like 2 years before GW2 comes out. That's a really long time to get your existing characters as far along as you like. Now at least you know what you'll be doing during that time if you decide to continue to play!

Weapons: agree. Armor: agree. Titles: agree. Mini-pets: disagree

The only, and I mean only, disagreement I have is with Mini-pets. This is the only item that has a limited supply. There is nothing else in the game that you can't reasonably expect to get through hard work. Minis are an exception.

Therefore, while I agree with the sentiment of your post, I have to take exception with regards to Minis. Anet has already established account-wide titles and festival hats. They could certainly do so with Minis.

Heck, I wouldn't even argue with Minis being per-character, excepting that I would have no way to store my collection.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

24 Aug 2007 at 23:21 - 273

I think ANet got the message that people really hate their underdeveloped HoM concept.

Minipet customization, so many char based title tracks and whatever... no weapons displayed right now at all, and the monument of honor demands maxed titles that are all pvp titles.

This is unfinished business.

They really need to THINK about this Hall again, BEFORE they say "ah well, it is a long time till GW2, let's see what stuff people will get through the Hom".

I also agree that this more and more demands and rewards focus on one char, not only because of Norn/Asura/Ebon Title tracks, but because of this odd hall of monuments.

P.S.: Maybe they finally get the idea to customize minipets/weapons and maybe even armors to the ACCOUNT, and not to the char. Would remove items from the market just as well and leave more flexibility.

thral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

W/

24 Aug 2007 at 23:43 - 274

HoM is BS!!!!! not only is the only PvE title that counts is the Kind of a Big Deal (so far) but minis are character based, me not a happy bunny >:|

*Goes off to start a revolt*

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

25 Aug 2007 at 00:19 - 276

think theyve got hall of monuments wrong. a lot of people have many chars, cos its fun and good, some have a title hunter thatll go after certain titles (sweet tooth etc).

i think they should have a main hall for the account (pets, some titles, armour etc, statues of your chacaters or something, then a room for each chacater.

so the many chacater player will have a main hall as richly decorated as the person who only plays 1 chacater pretty much.

mini pets shouldnt be customised either, just do a check on storage/inventories of chacaters before entry, then have a little zoo with them together.

player selected weapons too, rather than predetermined "elite gwen only".
i want a candy cane weapon display, also im sure many have weapons that mean alot to them, for emotional reasons... a gift from someone or something, or just a funny weapon like those shields that req 13 strength with +1 divine favour.

armour dummies so we can make our own combo's up from a chacters armour and festival hats.

HOM should cater nicely to all players, even those who arent actully that good at the game, or havent achived alot.

another quick idea, minipet zoo should always have a couple of pets so if someones only got a minipet pig its not sad and lonely

. just have some always on minipets that only appear in the hall of monuments zoo

.

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

25 Aug 2007 at 00:35 - 277

This is awesome. almsot everyone of the 10+ pages shows us taht everyoen wants account based HoM. i presonally dont have a problem wit char based HoM EXCEPT that minis are character customzied. seriously, wtf? i mean i know that rare minis will become even rarer but to make them cuzotmied per char? that blows.

/sign make mini customziion accoutn based.

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

25 Aug 2007 at 01:17 - 278

Yeah was kinda the stupid way to do HOM. They should have done it like a storage. If you got a mini pet, you put it on display at HOM, and it's stored there on the wall. When you remove it to take it out for a walk, it's removed from the HOM. This would prevent people from "borrowing" pets to put on display because it would be pointless unless they decided to keep the pet forever. I dunno why ANET went and did the whole "oh the pet is in your inventory so we'll customize it to you and scribble on the monument that you happen to have one".

Basically this sucks for people with multiple characters because one character will have a ton of mini pets taking up their inventory/storage, and if you want to do multiple characters, you gotta get a ton of duplicates of mini pets. I'm sure everybody has plenty of mini pigs left over to do this, but multiples of mini pets takes up a crapload of storage space. Basically you'd have to add your mini pet to the monument, and then drag it to the trash bin to make room. How the heck does that work? /signed

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird?

True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler

25 Aug 2007 at 01:18 - 279

Gosh, I'm not playing in the preview event, and still, every day I learn something nifty and new about the HoM!

Today's lesson: Even though I'm working very, VERY hard for my Legendary Cartographer title, and will be proud of it (regardless of the opinions of strangers), I've learned that this title is officially not leet enough to get a monument. Guess I should have played a bazillion hours of Random Arena, instead. Would I be leet enough, then?

Oh, well. Maybe the title monument will be directly across the room from the insane mini-pet destroying one, and they'll look balanced in their utter emptiness.

Almost as neat as yesterday's lesson: If my ranger diligently collects a bunch of high-end armor, she'll have a whole room full of pretty monk, assassin, and dervish statues to show for it! Whee!

Luckily, I'm buying GW:EN for the story, snow, and dungeons, not the HoM.

Integrity Phoenix

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

25 Aug 2007 at 02:06 - 280

So nice to know that even though the main monument, the monument to honor, was supposed to be able to display "all the titles earned"(quote from: Eye of the North Guided E3 Demo Video) they somehow overlooked the 22 max PVE titles I have acquired (specifically for GW:EN and GW2). I am not buying GW:EN if that is not changed. I am questioning if I will buy GWEN if they don't allow the minipets to be account based customized (either as like a bonus item or customized for the entire account and not just one person).

Sick of Grinding,
Phoenix

bebe

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

http://tinyurl.com/4g5ueb8

Put the peanut in the peanut hole!

25 Aug 2007 at 02:07 - 281

Is it just me.. or when I goto my boyfriend HoM (he has stuff in there)
It turns out being empty?

*Yes he is the party leader.