I'm not sure really. What I have played of it has been on "borrowed" time, on a trial and an old guildies account. From what I have played so far (haven't been too interested, so that basically consists of a chunk of the storyline and some on-the-side nonsense), no, I don't think it's worth $40. Maybe $25 or $30, but $40? Come on, I could have bought Prophecies cheaper than that and had more fun replaying it. However, as I haven't finished every little thing in EotN, and do not intend to (take your worthless title grinds somewhere else, kthx), I don't know if I'll ever be able to firmly say whether or not I believe it is worth the initial cost.
As for whether or not it is cost effective? Well, for me, it simply isn't. I can get more content out of other games for lower prices. In the month or so it would take me to fully complete EotN for $40, I could have been spending time partially completing some other games (won't mention any because apparently whenever I make a comparison, it is "trolling", and I really don't want to argue with carebears and fanboys tonight) for the same, or lesser costs. Why spend $40 for so little content when I have the others available?
So, in short...
Worth the cost? Maybe.
Cost effective? Hell no.
Was GWEN too expensive for what we got?
Faer
arcanemacabre
I'm on the fence with this. Honestly, there doesn't seem like a whole lot to do, even with all the extra "freedom" gained with the quest-based playstyle instead of mission-based. Main problem with that part - not enough quests. Oh, they're good quests, don't get me wrong, freakin fun stuff, just not enough of them.
The dungeons and grind for titles are about the only lasting elements gained through GW:EN.
The minigames are a nice touch, unfortunately, they aren't that great:
1) Polymock is boring and repetitive.
2) Norn arena is either too damn easy with the right build, or too damn difficult with the wrong build - so, Build Wars it becomes.
3) Kilroy's punch-out quests are fun, but limited and can become boring and repetitive like polymock.
My wife and I always play each release the same way - doing every quest (or just about every quest), reading all the dialog, and refraining from any wiki, attempting to figure everything out the first time through. It took us a month to beat prophecies (not counting Glint quests), 2 weeks to beat Factions, and about 2 weeks to beat Nightfall. GW:EN? A whole 4 days. So, content = a lot less.
I personally don't care about the armors too much (though I would've loved better armors, preferably more models instead of reskins), the loot is decent (cool skins), and HoM was a let down, but none of those things are what I was really getting GW:EN for, so they don't sway my impression of it one way or the other. My main complaint is the sheer lack of fun stuff to do.
Oh well, I got another 9 characters to get through, some titles to grind, and some dungeons to crawl. It will be fun, but I will miss the opportunity of all the quests and all the minigames that could've been.
So, summary:
Dungeons and quests that are there = Win
Too few quests and boring minigames = Fail
All the little things = so-so
Overall = Would do it again, but I don't think it was worth the price.
The dungeons and grind for titles are about the only lasting elements gained through GW:EN.
The minigames are a nice touch, unfortunately, they aren't that great:
1) Polymock is boring and repetitive.
2) Norn arena is either too damn easy with the right build, or too damn difficult with the wrong build - so, Build Wars it becomes.
3) Kilroy's punch-out quests are fun, but limited and can become boring and repetitive like polymock.
My wife and I always play each release the same way - doing every quest (or just about every quest), reading all the dialog, and refraining from any wiki, attempting to figure everything out the first time through. It took us a month to beat prophecies (not counting Glint quests), 2 weeks to beat Factions, and about 2 weeks to beat Nightfall. GW:EN? A whole 4 days. So, content = a lot less.
I personally don't care about the armors too much (though I would've loved better armors, preferably more models instead of reskins), the loot is decent (cool skins), and HoM was a let down, but none of those things are what I was really getting GW:EN for, so they don't sway my impression of it one way or the other. My main complaint is the sheer lack of fun stuff to do.
Oh well, I got another 9 characters to get through, some titles to grind, and some dungeons to crawl. It will be fun, but I will miss the opportunity of all the quests and all the minigames that could've been.
So, summary:
Dungeons and quests that are there = Win
Too few quests and boring minigames = Fail
All the little things = so-so
Overall = Would do it again, but I don't think it was worth the price.
wolfwing
I think some people are failing to understand anything, or just don't care about their money.
WHY is it that GWEN costs as much as a full game, but gives us 1/5 the content of a full game? Is this game 4/5'ths of Nightfall? And yes it's an expansion but if they are going to charge 4/5th the price it should have alot more content then it does. It be more reasonable to sell it for another 10-20$'s less. I'm enjoying the game so far, but it's no where near worth the cost of it.
WHY is it that GWEN costs as much as a full game, but gives us 1/5 the content of a full game? Is this game 4/5'ths of Nightfall? And yes it's an expansion but if they are going to charge 4/5th the price it should have alot more content then it does. It be more reasonable to sell it for another 10-20$'s less. I'm enjoying the game so far, but it's no where near worth the cost of it.
Gattocheese
In my opinion that remark about "the armor doesnt have to be flashy as long as it is max" is the most retarded thing i have ever read. I must say again this is my opinion, but saying that you dont care what the armor looks like on your character is nuts. You might as well just keep your first max armor you ever had, and never worry what your character looks like.
Yes i paid too much for GWEN.
(What i was expecting)
1. New emotes, such as dances
2. 40 NEW armor sets
3. Character development
4. Stand alone pieces
5. 18 vast dungeons
6. 10 new heros
7. New elite weapons
(What i got)
1. Stand alone pieces
2. 41 RESKINNED armor sets
3. 18 dungeons, less than half are vast and elite
4. 10 new heros
5. Some new weapons, most reskinned as well
I do enjoy the world of GWEN, its nice and beautiful. The hero's got all of the luck on this one with 3 original armor sets that are amazing. Some weapons are nice. I like the grind, because everything should be earned and not given. But all in all, it feels rushed. I have no reason to play GWEN beyond beating it. No reason to obtain a nice end game green if it is a brute sword. lol. Or no reason to work hard on titles for crappy reskinned armor. They expect us to play this junk for the next year and a half?
Yes i paid too much for GWEN.
(What i was expecting)
1. New emotes, such as dances
2. 40 NEW armor sets
3. Character development
4. Stand alone pieces
5. 18 vast dungeons
6. 10 new heros
7. New elite weapons
(What i got)
1. Stand alone pieces
2. 41 RESKINNED armor sets
3. 18 dungeons, less than half are vast and elite
4. 10 new heros
5. Some new weapons, most reskinned as well
I do enjoy the world of GWEN, its nice and beautiful. The hero's got all of the luck on this one with 3 original armor sets that are amazing. Some weapons are nice. I like the grind, because everything should be earned and not given. But all in all, it feels rushed. I have no reason to play GWEN beyond beating it. No reason to obtain a nice end game green if it is a brute sword. lol. Or no reason to work hard on titles for crappy reskinned armor. They expect us to play this junk for the next year and a half?
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by wolfwing
I think some people are failing to understand anything, or just don't care about their money.
WHY is it that GWEN costs as much as a full game, but gives us 1/5 the content of a full game? Is this game 4/5'ths of Nightfall? And yes it's an expansion but if they are going to charge 4/5th the price it should have alot more content then it does. It be more reasonable to sell it for another 10-20$'s less. I'm enjoying the game so far, but it's no where near worth the cost of it. I agree, and I said that. However, nothing can be done - Anet has your money already. It's not that I don't care about my money, it's that I know nothing can be done - they aren't going to refund us $10-20 just because we don't think it was worth it. Best thing we can hope for is they decrease the price for those who haven't bought it, yet.
Also, I disagree that it's 1/5 the content as much as I disagree it's 4/5 the content. I'd say something like 1/2 the content, maybe a bit less, though that's completely out of my ass. It just feels like half, or just under. I really think they thought their minigames and dungeons would make up for all the crap missing, and they just don't. Dungeons are nice, of the Sorrow's Furnace caliber, which was free I might add, not many of the ones we got.
WHY is it that GWEN costs as much as a full game, but gives us 1/5 the content of a full game? Is this game 4/5'ths of Nightfall? And yes it's an expansion but if they are going to charge 4/5th the price it should have alot more content then it does. It be more reasonable to sell it for another 10-20$'s less. I'm enjoying the game so far, but it's no where near worth the cost of it. I agree, and I said that. However, nothing can be done - Anet has your money already. It's not that I don't care about my money, it's that I know nothing can be done - they aren't going to refund us $10-20 just because we don't think it was worth it. Best thing we can hope for is they decrease the price for those who haven't bought it, yet.
Also, I disagree that it's 1/5 the content as much as I disagree it's 4/5 the content. I'd say something like 1/2 the content, maybe a bit less, though that's completely out of my ass. It just feels like half, or just under. I really think they thought their minigames and dungeons would make up for all the crap missing, and they just don't. Dungeons are nice, of the Sorrow's Furnace caliber, which was free I might add, not many of the ones we got.
WinterSnowblind
I love it, but I would agree that it's a little short for how much it cost. But wasn't that the trade off for no monthly fees?
I'd gladly continue paying like this for expansions instead of paying monthly.. Also, in the UK it was only £17, the standard price of most expansions.
I'd gladly continue paying like this for expansions instead of paying monthly.. Also, in the UK it was only £17, the standard price of most expansions.
Gattocheese
Do you work for Anet or something. Because all i ever read you post is positve things about every single campaign. "No fees" What? Did you expect them to start charging us fees for an expansion? Good grief
WinterSnowblind
Try reading more of my posts then. I've expressed my hatred on some of the armour sets (though I do like most of them), and I absolutely despise Factions more and more every time I have to play through it. But I happen to enjoy most things without the need to whine about every single little detail.
What I meant is that Anet aren't charging us monthly fees to play the game, thus they're making up the cost by charging more for the games. Seems pretty reasonable to me. I remember back when people were complaining about the cost of Nightfall too.
What I meant is that Anet aren't charging us monthly fees to play the game, thus they're making up the cost by charging more for the games. Seems pretty reasonable to me. I remember back when people were complaining about the cost of Nightfall too.
Surena
I don't care about the costs. I can come and play whenever I want, that's the advantage. So far I liked the quests in GW:EN, they are a big improvement and the best in this game so far, whereas Nightfall almost killed me on the second run.
kaheiyeh
For the cost you get here in Australia ($49.95 compared to $89.95 for a full campaign), I think it's quite worth my money. I'm having loads of fun with it and I often even find myself so indulged in it. I'm having more fun in GW:EN than I am with Factions and Nightfall on the first time through. It's like playing Prophecies again when I first got it; that nostalgic feeling.
There's some new added stuff they don't mention like monsters now having secondary professions and also much better skill bars etc. The mini games are fun, but I must admit, they do get a bit sleazy after a while.
There's some new added stuff they don't mention like monsters now having secondary professions and also much better skill bars etc. The mini games are fun, but I must admit, they do get a bit sleazy after a while.
Jongo River
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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
I love it, but I would agree that it's a little short for how much it cost. But wasn't that the trade off for no monthly fees?
I'd gladly continue paying like this for expansions instead of paying monthly.. Also, in the UK it was only £17, the standard price of most expansions. Unfortunately, that's also the standard price of big new releases from companies like Play, Amazon etc. All normal editions of GuildWars have been available at that price in the UK, right from the original lauch of Prophecies.
I'd gladly continue paying like this for expansions instead of paying monthly.. Also, in the UK it was only £17, the standard price of most expansions. Unfortunately, that's also the standard price of big new releases from companies like Play, Amazon etc. All normal editions of GuildWars have been available at that price in the UK, right from the original lauch of Prophecies.
Gattocheese
Anet justifies there no monthly fee by other means. You can pay 10-15 a month for subscription, Or like us in the guildwars community we pay $40+ for each campaign, $10 each additional character slot and now merchandise. Tally those up, i would say at least half of guild wars owns a second account and at least 10 character slots, most with all three campaigns. Most of us here have spent more on Guild Wars in the last 2 and half years, then paying a monthly fee. Thats another reason why they can do GW2 without charging monthly. Dont let that monthly fee thing fool you, they have big wallets and smugness installed in there hearts now. They got their money for GWEN, in their eyes this expansion is a complete success. In our eyes its a lot more disappointing than what we pay for.
Etta
Way to missed the point ^. Anyway I paid £29.99 for each of the earlier chapters. So £17.99 is a right price for an expansions, 18 quid is not that much for me at all. Don't get me wrong though, there're load of crap stuff in EotN but there're also lot of good stuff.
And for me the good is just about out weight the bad.
And for me the good is just about out weight the bad.
Gattocheese
I am glad to see that there are people who can outweigh the bad with the good. But for me, i been playing all 2 and a half years, and i will admit it, i am a grinder, not a title grinder, but a grinder netherless. I prefer to work on my character and get the best weapons, items and armors i can. Bettering myself in the game makes me play guild wars. With not much for me to do in GWEN, i am afraid in my opinion, that it wasnt worth my money or worth $40 to say the least.
Hyper.nl
No, it was not too expensive for me. Guild Wars is relatively cheap to other fully online games because there is no timely cost. I like end enjoy Guild Wars and my 32 euro's was a fair price.
Government Flu
I'm going to have to say that after playing Eye of the North for a while, it's overpriced. I paid $39.99 USD for the game and feel it is only worth 30 bucks tops. However, 40 dollars was a price I was willing to pay, so I'm going to continue enjoying the new expansion.
Mordakai
Bottom line: Anet needed money to continue to work on GW2.
Is $40 too much, but $30 is OK? Are we really haggling over $10?
The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics...
and then Anet shot themselves in the foot with bad armor reskins, with reputation requirements to boot. I have to wonder if the Armor and weapon skins were better in GWEN, would there be less complaining? (oh, and more ways to get reputation points would be nice, too).
Is $40 too much, but $30 is OK? Are we really haggling over $10?
The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics...
and then Anet shot themselves in the foot with bad armor reskins, with reputation requirements to boot. I have to wonder if the Armor and weapon skins were better in GWEN, would there be less complaining? (oh, and more ways to get reputation points would be nice, too).
Longasc
It has equal or even more content than Factions.
You just have a shorter main story line but much more optional content. And much more innovations, though many dungeons are repetitive in terms of gameplay elements and graphic elements, e.g. Rragars Menagerie and the Ooze Den have exactly the same tunnel and stairs.
This chapter does have some nice armor sets, though most are not to my liking. There are also very nice weapon skins - check the weapon crafters!
I personally like the Monumental Female Necro Armor. I also like the Asura Bows, the Norn Axe and Shield e.g.. The fact that I can craft Dwarven Axes and Longswords.
Good, Droknar Weapons are odd, Destroyer Weapons often miss the mark, too. But Axes, Spears and maybe even the Wand (got used to it) are definitely nice!
I think people ar just done with GW and should play EVE for a while or Hellgate, or play WoW or whatever.
What bothers me is the lack of quests. They are usually high quality, but I would prefer some more. Also some more areas. But we should not forget that many areas in Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall are very barren and have no quests or thousands of fed-ex quests like Kaineng City.
This all said, I still have to agree that GW:EN feels too tiny! This can only blamed partly on the fact that the dungeons are underground.
You just have a shorter main story line but much more optional content. And much more innovations, though many dungeons are repetitive in terms of gameplay elements and graphic elements, e.g. Rragars Menagerie and the Ooze Den have exactly the same tunnel and stairs.
This chapter does have some nice armor sets, though most are not to my liking. There are also very nice weapon skins - check the weapon crafters!
I personally like the Monumental Female Necro Armor. I also like the Asura Bows, the Norn Axe and Shield e.g.. The fact that I can craft Dwarven Axes and Longswords.
Good, Droknar Weapons are odd, Destroyer Weapons often miss the mark, too. But Axes, Spears and maybe even the Wand (got used to it) are definitely nice!
I think people ar just done with GW and should play EVE for a while or Hellgate, or play WoW or whatever.
What bothers me is the lack of quests. They are usually high quality, but I would prefer some more. Also some more areas. But we should not forget that many areas in Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall are very barren and have no quests or thousands of fed-ex quests like Kaineng City.
This all said, I still have to agree that GW:EN feels too tiny! This can only blamed partly on the fact that the dungeons are underground.
Gattocheese
^ maybe thats it. Maybe it is time to give up Guild Wars. It had its long reign. I dunno. The expansion will not keep me motivated to play much longer. When you have taken a character through GWEN, and beaten everything and dungeons. Whats left? Maybe a stand alone piece with another character? Why bring more characters into GWEN and for what purpose? The armor and weapons suck, and no content available. Title grind so you may press on to GW2? I dont think that will keep alot of people. Again my opinion. Seems they spent alot of money on their music, voice overs and graphics, but not alot on the promised end game content which really makes any game worth playing.
Hollerith
Judging from their past products, GWEN was not worth the money. It felt like Anet was riding on the coattails of the previous chapters and figured they wouldn't have to expand that much effort.
I'm pretty cynical, and I've been a huge fan of Anet's business model, but I think they pretty much let most people down with this. My only explanation is that there's an expansion a la Prophesy's Furnace update.
I'm pretty cynical, and I've been a huge fan of Anet's business model, but I think they pretty much let most people down with this. My only explanation is that there's an expansion a la Prophesy's Furnace update.
Darksun
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Next time you "rest your case" use information that is relevant to the discussion, not epeen out of left field.
Quote: Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer They aren't gonna leave us hanging like this, either, ANET will probably add in Sorrow's Furance size updates for free. Also, I can't even say that HoM is completed yet. You still can't rearrange properly, a "pet" stable would be awesome (Doubt about this though), and they will probably add in more weapons in the valor monument, as everyone isn't happy with the destroyer weapons. Also, you cant buy a game and expect EVERYTHING you wanted out of it. I don't know about a Sorrow's Furnace size update, and the reasons I listed are hardly "EVERYTHING I wanted out of it". I'm pretty sure they will update HoM somehow, they are definitely doing hard mode. I dunno, I really like everything so far (except the armor) so the general response is "well then it's worth it" but I'd like to be realistic with my money & the worth of things. If Prophecies is going to be $50, I don't know if EotN really warrants the $40. The price is so close, but the content isn't. I was waiting for the "customize your character" & "character development past level 20" stuff. I got reskined armor & some nice standalone stuff.
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Is $40 too much, but $30 is OK? Are we really haggling over $10?
The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics... I think the point is the content/price ratio from Chapter to expansion. Something feels wrong.
And there are some new weapon skins.
There is a mesmer armor I will go get in GW:EN, because it just looks good.
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- over priced for the content relatively speaking to other chapters. (no doubt about it)
The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics... I think the point is the content/price ratio from Chapter to expansion. Something feels wrong.
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
and then Anet shot themselves in the foot with bad armor reskins, with reputation requirements to boot. I have to wonder if the Armor and weapon skins were better in GWEN, would there be less complaining? (oh, and more ways to get reputation points would be nice, too).
lol from me there would be. Customizing my character (visually, weapon wise, titles, and hopefully NEW ways to personalize ) is the whole game to me.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Bottom line: Anet needed money to continue to work on GW2.
Is $40 too much, but $30 is OK? Are we really haggling over $10? The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics... and then Anet shot themselves in the foot with bad armor reskins, with reputation requirements to boot. I have to wonder if the Armor and weapon skins were better in GWEN, would there be less complaining? (oh, and more ways to get reputation points would be nice, too). £10 is quite alot to some people! Thats quite a few items of shopping, food, clothes and alike that are more important then computer games. Plus its several pints and more money to spend entertaining friends when you go out for meals. So im quite happe to squabble over £10 myself. Buts its not about how much we were willing to pay. I probably wud have paid more for the expansion, because I love GWs. Its the fact we spent that money thinking we'd get more then we did.... and we didnt get an astounding amount.
Lonesamurai
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Wow, you actually proved you aren't being objective.
Next time you "rest your case" use information that is relevant to the discussion, not epeen out of left field. yeah ok, cos its not being Objective to start a Guild Wars radio show now and actually get backing for it from NCSoft if i thought there wasn't a good call for it and life left in the game? This is my own business too and real money rides on it, do you seriously think I would intentionally back guild Wars if i thought for one second that it was a waste of my time and possibly a bad business decision on my part to do so?
Darksun
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IT'S EXACTLY MY POINT! Because you are riding on it, of course its going to be hard for you to be objective when it comes to this topic.
And there are some new weapon skins.
There is a mesmer armor I will go get in GW:EN, because it just looks good.
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Quote: - HoM is a failure (customization char based, minis, pvp titles etc.) HoM will be revamped, Im like 99% sure of that.
Quote: - as someone mentioned new heros but nothing new added they do the same thing And? For those who don't have nightfall its nice.
Plus some of them look better then my old ones.
Quote: - I'm definitely no fan of using stupid bear/wolf whatever form and hate idea of bears shooting arrows with a bow. That's just ridiculous Your opinion....
Quote: - 1 on 1 matches are kind of fun but no big deal These should've already been added as mini games while you wait in AB for so long Its all about the fun.
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