Unrealistic Difficulty!!!!
masta_yoda
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Originally Posted by nw5221
I have been playing Guild Wars since July of 2005. I have purchased all of the new games, as well as the new expansion. I’ve been looking forward to “Eye of the North” ever since I read about it. I enjoy GW immensely but I have to tell you that I am also VERY FRUSTRATED!!
With every new game, I’ve grown more and more irritated at the unrealistic difficulty in certain areas. I understand that there has to be a degree of challenge, but the game is becoming 90% aggravation. The quests in the dungeons are next to impossible to complete. Within 2 minutes the entire party has a -60% death penalty. The foes are not only unrealistically ultra-powerful but there are times that I’ll attack a group of 5 and within seconds every red dot on the mini-map is drawn in and ‘suddenly’ I’m fighting 30. And that’s a “lovely” experience if you happen to be near a resurrection shrine. Because the AI isn’t smart enough to Rez away from the foes…So I get to experience the “joy” of getting slaughtered 50 times.
I have tried several quests 4 or 5 times only to quit in frustration. I’ve tried with henchmen and I’ve tried with real players. I’ve yet to complete them.
I’m at a point where I’m about to quit. stop the frenzy healsig, try 7 monks maybe and u wont die
With every new game, I’ve grown more and more irritated at the unrealistic difficulty in certain areas. I understand that there has to be a degree of challenge, but the game is becoming 90% aggravation. The quests in the dungeons are next to impossible to complete. Within 2 minutes the entire party has a -60% death penalty. The foes are not only unrealistically ultra-powerful but there are times that I’ll attack a group of 5 and within seconds every red dot on the mini-map is drawn in and ‘suddenly’ I’m fighting 30. And that’s a “lovely” experience if you happen to be near a resurrection shrine. Because the AI isn’t smart enough to Rez away from the foes…So I get to experience the “joy” of getting slaughtered 50 times.
I have tried several quests 4 or 5 times only to quit in frustration. I’ve tried with henchmen and I’ve tried with real players. I’ve yet to complete them.
I’m at a point where I’m about to quit. stop the frenzy healsig, try 7 monks maybe and u wont die
nimloth32
Maybe it is due to lack of skills available to your heroes as you had been absent, it is not surprising if you have missed out some important skills for your heroes.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Taki
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
PvE is an Art: "Art, in its broadest meaning, is the expression of creativity or imagination, or both."*
PvP is a Science: "systemized knowledge derived through experimentation, observation, and study."**
The two will Never see eye-to-eye But I do disagree just a bit with it.
I'd say PvP was the art as it has the stage and elements for expression while PvE was the science as it is constant; a controlled environment perfect for experimentation and a perfect match for the definition given; a change in build directly affects difficulty while everything else stays the same. My thinking behind it was that with PvE, you have to think your way around certain situations. You have an infinite number of attempts / lives until you get it right. Let's take an example: Soloing Shiro. It takes a little ingenuity, a little experimentation, and a little knowledge to create a solo build for a notorious NPC such as The S-Man. Likewise with mission completion, you come up against an overpowered boss, you're in the mission and need to think of a way of solving it there and then, and look for things you can use to your advantage (such as rocks, bugs etc..)
I described PvP as more of a "science"...it seems to me that much of PvP seems like using outside influences to decide on a build. Ie. Strategically planning to be able to effectively counter the most likely opponent? Either way, the planning and strategy behind PvP makes it seem much more sciency to me.
PvP is a Science: "systemized knowledge derived through experimentation, observation, and study."**
The two will Never see eye-to-eye But I do disagree just a bit with it.
I'd say PvP was the art as it has the stage and elements for expression while PvE was the science as it is constant; a controlled environment perfect for experimentation and a perfect match for the definition given; a change in build directly affects difficulty while everything else stays the same. My thinking behind it was that with PvE, you have to think your way around certain situations. You have an infinite number of attempts / lives until you get it right. Let's take an example: Soloing Shiro. It takes a little ingenuity, a little experimentation, and a little knowledge to create a solo build for a notorious NPC such as The S-Man. Likewise with mission completion, you come up against an overpowered boss, you're in the mission and need to think of a way of solving it there and then, and look for things you can use to your advantage (such as rocks, bugs etc..)
I described PvP as more of a "science"...it seems to me that much of PvP seems like using outside influences to decide on a build. Ie. Strategically planning to be able to effectively counter the most likely opponent? Either way, the planning and strategy behind PvP makes it seem much more sciency to me.
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
'You suck' is actually not an indefensible statement to make. Gathering from your ignorant comments, I would put forward the hypothesis that 'TabascoSauce sucks', and from what I gather, a large portion of people would agree. Now if you'd stop dodging my request for your bars, then maybe we can start to prove or disprove my hypothesis. From your reluctance, you are either obstinate or afraid, frankly of which I am not surprised. You've put up a lot of inflammatory comments with absolutely zero to back it up.
We're not on this board to be PC. PvP doesn't coddle the morons who want to run whatever they'd like. Good bars and playing abilities are rewarded with victories, bad bars and poor judgement are punished with losses. I would say the PvP mindset actually fosters more understanding and deeper knowledge of the game. Those people (like you) who would rather cover everything up in a mile deep layer of bullsh*t are the ones that are the problem here.
In PvP, you call it how it is. You don't spend 3 hours to get a group together and just drag along the lone lame duck in your group who can't hold up their end of the bargain. But you wouldn't know that, would you?
EDIT: If you looove the super mending/healing hands pve mindset, I would recommend GWO.
So I guess we can conclude from your statement that you feel that PvP players are more skillful players and that PvE is to be looked down upon because there you may need some social skills and care about people in general. I never realised it was a bad thing to help out a weaker player.
And here I was thinking we were talking about a computer game...
We're not on this board to be PC. PvP doesn't coddle the morons who want to run whatever they'd like. Good bars and playing abilities are rewarded with victories, bad bars and poor judgement are punished with losses. I would say the PvP mindset actually fosters more understanding and deeper knowledge of the game. Those people (like you) who would rather cover everything up in a mile deep layer of bullsh*t are the ones that are the problem here.
In PvP, you call it how it is. You don't spend 3 hours to get a group together and just drag along the lone lame duck in your group who can't hold up their end of the bargain. But you wouldn't know that, would you?
EDIT: If you looove the super mending/healing hands pve mindset, I would recommend GWO.
So I guess we can conclude from your statement that you feel that PvP players are more skillful players and that PvE is to be looked down upon because there you may need some social skills and care about people in general. I never realised it was a bad thing to help out a weaker player.
And here I was thinking we were talking about a computer game...
tmakinen
According to Godwin's Law, this thread is now officially over, and sorry to break the news but Cthulhu, you lost
Can we have a mod here, please?
Can we have a mod here, please?
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
That holier than thou attitude most likely derives from better knowledge of underlying mechanics in the game. You choose to see the simple truth as condescending talk - this simply obscures your own ability to see that the basis of what they are saying is true. No one is claiming PvP'ers are actually better human beings than PvE'ers - however if the claim was made that PvP'ers were generally better players than PvE'ers, that would absolutely be true. Whether you decide to take that simple truth as condescending or not is your problem, not a valid complaint at all.
you just positioned yourself as what people generally refer to as anti-social.
PvP'ers, or at least a certain amount of them, may know the game mechanics better but they certainly do not seem to know how to behave in a social context. I never disputed that PvP forces you to know the game mechanics better but I am simply speaking about the attitudes that are displayed here by people like yourselves.
Just because a point may be correct doesn't mean you can behave any way you d*mn well like. There is still a social context and a responsability as a human being.
Perhaps social skills can be considered a part of the definition of a "good player" since it is an online game/community and then you see that people like yourself would rate very low.
So a lot depends on your definition of a good player. Your attitude is might makes right. Just cause you can win a lot in PvP you feel that you can behave like an insolent and well if it considered crude or condescending by others it's their problem...you're a psychology project and certainly not a person with an eye for community.
PvP'ers, or at least a certain amount of them, may know the game mechanics better but they certainly do not seem to know how to behave in a social context. I never disputed that PvP forces you to know the game mechanics better but I am simply speaking about the attitudes that are displayed here by people like yourselves.
Just because a point may be correct doesn't mean you can behave any way you d*mn well like. There is still a social context and a responsability as a human being.
Perhaps social skills can be considered a part of the definition of a "good player" since it is an online game/community and then you see that people like yourself would rate very low.
So a lot depends on your definition of a good player. Your attitude is might makes right. Just cause you can win a lot in PvP you feel that you can behave like an insolent and well if it considered crude or condescending by others it's their problem...you're a psychology project and certainly not a person with an eye for community.
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by tmakinen
According to Godwin's Law, this thread is now officially over, and sorry to break the news but Cthulhu, you lost
Can we have a mod here, please?
"However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's Law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons"
Can we have a mod here, please?
"However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's Law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons"
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
This is the sort of thinking that was the foundation for the 3rd Reich aswell. They exterminated disabled people aswell as Jewish people.
OMG, ffs this is a frigging video game, what on earth has the third reich to do with it, this thread is starting to big time...
tmakinen
I'm totally speechless if you think that it's a valid comparison to call people with the PvP mindset Nazis ...
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
OMG, ffs this is a frigging video game, what on earth has the third reich to do with it, this thread is starting to big time...
Why are people upset with that while they are fine with people displaying an attitude where they look down on others who help or drag through players that are weaker players.
My point was that it was just a game and that this attitude more resembles something else and that was why it disturbed me.
Do you not find his comments upsetting?
Incidentally, they can close this thread as far as I'm concerned anyway. I doubt the OP is reading any of it anyway. Maybe it's my mistake to get upset at some of the elitarian comments coming from certain people and should just ignore them and act like it doesn't exist, but then that is always where it goes wrong.
Oh and by the way, this thread failed a long time ago so don't say it's starting to fail. I'll just try to not be so upset at this commentary anymore and ignore this thread from now on for the sake of the forum.
My point was that it was just a game and that this attitude more resembles something else and that was why it disturbed me.
Do you not find his comments upsetting?
Incidentally, they can close this thread as far as I'm concerned anyway. I doubt the OP is reading any of it anyway. Maybe it's my mistake to get upset at some of the elitarian comments coming from certain people and should just ignore them and act like it doesn't exist, but then that is always where it goes wrong.
Oh and by the way, this thread failed a long time ago so don't say it's starting to fail. I'll just try to not be so upset at this commentary anymore and ignore this thread from now on for the sake of the forum.
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by tmakinen
I'm totally speechless if you think that it's a valid comparison to call people with the PvP mindset Nazis ...
that is an interpretation you made of what I said and not what I actually said. But I forget sometimes that a lot of people here are quite young and don't understand history or why it repeats itself so I will accept that it is best to take the comment out.
In any case I am NOT talking about PvP ers but a couple of people here that display elitarian views whether they mean to or not who happen to use PvP as their foundation.Again my reactions are about their attitude and nothing else
In any case I am NOT talking about PvP ers but a couple of people here that display elitarian views whether they mean to or not who happen to use PvP as their foundation.Again my reactions are about their attitude and nothing else
tmakinen
Except that I seem to be older than you, and keenly aware of issues that ultimately lead to such crimes against the humankind. Don't take me wrong, I agree with several of your propositions, and in fact strongly argued in favor of the value of social skills in a MMORPG earlier in this thread. It's just that the Nazi card was grossly out of line.
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by tmakinen
Except that I seem to be older than you, and keenly aware of issues that ultimately lead to such crimes against the humankind. Don't take me wrong, I agree with several of your propositions, and in fact strongly argued in favor of the value of social skills in a MMORPG earlier in this thread. It's just that the Nazi card was grossly out of line.
Well, you may or may not be older. I have no evidence myself either way.
But I see from your reaction that it is too easily misinterpreted and so in that sense it was out of place and I took it out upon realising that. However it was not meant as a "Nazi card". I mean I had to look up what Godwin's Law was to begin with.
But it is true that when people start talking down about other people and generalising them away and portraying certain attitudes, it reminds me instantly of the attitudes and behaviours in the 30ies that led to the 3rd Reich coming into power and not so much what happened after they got into power.
So I guess it was wrong to voice that as the subject matter does call up certain reactions from people, whether correct or not and I suppose that was my mistake.
So I shall just state that the beforementioned attitudes shock me and leave it at that.
But I see from your reaction that it is too easily misinterpreted and so in that sense it was out of place and I took it out upon realising that. However it was not meant as a "Nazi card". I mean I had to look up what Godwin's Law was to begin with.
But it is true that when people start talking down about other people and generalising them away and portraying certain attitudes, it reminds me instantly of the attitudes and behaviours in the 30ies that led to the 3rd Reich coming into power and not so much what happened after they got into power.
So I guess it was wrong to voice that as the subject matter does call up certain reactions from people, whether correct or not and I suppose that was my mistake.
So I shall just state that the beforementioned attitudes shock me and leave it at that.
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
Why are people upset with that while they are fine with people displaying an attitude where they look down on others who help or drag through players that are weaker players.
My point was that it was just a game and that this attitude more resembles something else and that was why it disturbed me. I'm not fine with it, but I don't always care too much, unless sensible discussion emerges from it. But I think we're beyond that because people already said what they wanted to say on this. Besides, many rabid PvP-ers on this board are never too cheap to give good advice.
Big black schlong up my p** hole disturbs me, PvP doesn't
My point was that it was just a game and that this attitude more resembles something else and that was why it disturbed me. I'm not fine with it, but I don't always care too much, unless sensible discussion emerges from it. But I think we're beyond that because people already said what they wanted to say on this. Besides, many rabid PvP-ers on this board are never too cheap to give good advice.
Big black schlong up my p** hole disturbs me, PvP doesn't
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
I'm not fine with it, but I don't always care too much, unless sensible discussion emerges from it. But I think we're beyond that because people already said what they wanted to say on this. Besides, many rabid PvP-ers on this board are never too cheap to give good advice.
Big black schlong up my p** hole disturbs me, PvP doesn't
lol....I concede to this. Your point is well taken.
Big black schlong up my p** hole disturbs me, PvP doesn't
lol....I concede to this. Your point is well taken.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by masta_yoda
stop the frenzy healsig, try 7 monks maybe and u wont die
Frenzy + Heal sig is fine as long as your properly echo mending
yum
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Frenzy + Heal sig is fine as long as your properly echo mending
guide for the year... ye it requires a lot of skills <cough>
Crom The Pale
I do belive the original poster has left the building.
All that remains is flames and joke.
Mods.......End This!
All that remains is flames and joke.
Mods.......End This!
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
you just positioned yourself as what people generally refer to as anti-social.
PvP'ers, or at least a certain amount of them, may know the game mechanics better but they certainly do not seem to know how to behave in a social context. I never disputed that PvP forces you to know the game mechanics better but I am simply speaking about the attitudes that are displayed here by people like yourselves.
Just because a point may be correct doesn't mean you can behave any way you d*mn well like. There is still a social context and a responsability as a human being.
Perhaps social skills can be considered a part of the definition of a "good player" since it is an online game/community and then you see that people like yourself would rate very low.
So a lot depends on your definition of a good player. Your attitude is might makes right. Just cause you can win a lot in PvP you feel that you can behave like an insolent and well if it considered crude or condescending by others it's their problem...you're a psychology project and certainly not a person with an eye for community. Sorry, your little version of morality does not actually apply to the world the way you think it does.
And way to go, generalizing PvP'ers. Let's ignore the fact that we have to work together and get to know one another in order to form connections and bonds in order to get goals done (win halls? win in gvg?). I don't understand why you have this near-total inability to think straight when it comes to PvP'ers.
We're people, just like you. Except instead of bathing in relative mediocrity we've come to value skill and ability. It's like working on a project in a group. Does someone not pull their weight? Are they just plain stupid? Do you sit around and think about their hurt feelings while the rest of your group is punished by their incompetency?
Well if you do, thank god the world doesn't operate on your level, otherwise we'd never get anything done correctly.
If you suck, you suck. You can paint it in a million different covers and call it 'blowing hard' or 'noodle short of a bowl of spaghetti' or 'a penny short of a dollar'. I don't care what you call it. Stop f*cking crying.
And for your information, I don't act insolent or crude at all. I just don't play with the morons. Way easier. I play with guildies and friends who don't suck. Wow, wasn't that easy? No need to be cruel or condescending.
It's when I come to the forums and read the relentless crap you people post that I feel like someone should speak up for plain spoken truth. What is with you people? All you want to do is dance with the fairies and fart perfume. PC doesn't change anything except add more bullsh*t to the truth, so get over yourself already and learn to talk straight.
And lastly, if I'm a psychology project than you're a full blown case of insanity. Welcome to the real world.
PvP'ers, or at least a certain amount of them, may know the game mechanics better but they certainly do not seem to know how to behave in a social context. I never disputed that PvP forces you to know the game mechanics better but I am simply speaking about the attitudes that are displayed here by people like yourselves.
Just because a point may be correct doesn't mean you can behave any way you d*mn well like. There is still a social context and a responsability as a human being.
Perhaps social skills can be considered a part of the definition of a "good player" since it is an online game/community and then you see that people like yourself would rate very low.
So a lot depends on your definition of a good player. Your attitude is might makes right. Just cause you can win a lot in PvP you feel that you can behave like an insolent and well if it considered crude or condescending by others it's their problem...you're a psychology project and certainly not a person with an eye for community. Sorry, your little version of morality does not actually apply to the world the way you think it does.
And way to go, generalizing PvP'ers. Let's ignore the fact that we have to work together and get to know one another in order to form connections and bonds in order to get goals done (win halls? win in gvg?). I don't understand why you have this near-total inability to think straight when it comes to PvP'ers.
We're people, just like you. Except instead of bathing in relative mediocrity we've come to value skill and ability. It's like working on a project in a group. Does someone not pull their weight? Are they just plain stupid? Do you sit around and think about their hurt feelings while the rest of your group is punished by their incompetency?
Well if you do, thank god the world doesn't operate on your level, otherwise we'd never get anything done correctly.
If you suck, you suck. You can paint it in a million different covers and call it 'blowing hard' or 'noodle short of a bowl of spaghetti' or 'a penny short of a dollar'. I don't care what you call it. Stop f*cking crying.
And for your information, I don't act insolent or crude at all. I just don't play with the morons. Way easier. I play with guildies and friends who don't suck. Wow, wasn't that easy? No need to be cruel or condescending.
It's when I come to the forums and read the relentless crap you people post that I feel like someone should speak up for plain spoken truth. What is with you people? All you want to do is dance with the fairies and fart perfume. PC doesn't change anything except add more bullsh*t to the truth, so get over yourself already and learn to talk straight.
And lastly, if I'm a psychology project than you're a full blown case of insanity. Welcome to the real world.
TabascoSauce
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
Who said it was the positive thing to do to just say 'You suck'?
It happens all the time in here. Go back and read the thread - its full of a bunch of people shouting "FAIL" at the OP. Do you think they actually they ask themselves if that is the right thing to do? Look at the post you just made, is that really how you want people to see you?
I'd say they do not, and you do not.
As long as those who are the problem think twice before doing this again.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
I'd say they do not, and you do not.
As long as those who are the problem think twice before doing this again.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
It happens all the time in here. Go back and read the thread - its full of a bunch of people shouting "FAIL" at the OP. Do you think they actually they ask themselves if that is the right thing to do?
I'd say they do not.
As long as those who are the problem think twice before doing this again.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce Who cares? Who are you arguing with again? None of the other people you've been responding to in your last 10 posts have said it was a good thing to say "You suck!".
Go back and read your posts. All you did was meander and then find yourself confused as to which cause you were championing again.
Don't forget to edit your little rant against the PvP'ers and how they must be incredibly mad at you and how they're sooo angry at favor not being linked to HA (lol).
I'd say they do not.
As long as those who are the problem think twice before doing this again.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce Who cares? Who are you arguing with again? None of the other people you've been responding to in your last 10 posts have said it was a good thing to say "You suck!".
Go back and read your posts. All you did was meander and then find yourself confused as to which cause you were championing again.
Don't forget to edit your little rant against the PvP'ers and how they must be incredibly mad at you and how they're sooo angry at favor not being linked to HA (lol).
TabascoSauce
Listen to yourself. Everything has to be perfect - victory all the time. Those less efficient are losers, and are not worth your time, and you kick them to the curb. Man, that's an awesome philosophy. Did you think that up all by yourself?
You claimed before that this was merely your way of playing the game, as if that was an excuse for your statements? How is how you act different than how you act in life? You are dealing with real people, with real feelings.
With your mindset, Stephen Hawking would have been "put down" and we would not have the scientific astronomy and physics knowledge we have now because of him.
I think you have a problem, and it comes down to the need to win. It is not actually that important. Don't believe me? Go out to a bar, sit next to a pretty gal (or guy, depending on your gender etc) and start talking about how much you win at Guild Wars.
Yeah, go ahead, I'll wait, because this will be a short trip for you.
See? They did not care.
So, now that we have put the "victory or die" mantra to rest, because no one cares, its time to deal with the rest of your argument........ Hmmm.... Well there is no rest of your argument.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
You claimed before that this was merely your way of playing the game, as if that was an excuse for your statements? How is how you act different than how you act in life? You are dealing with real people, with real feelings.
With your mindset, Stephen Hawking would have been "put down" and we would not have the scientific astronomy and physics knowledge we have now because of him.
I think you have a problem, and it comes down to the need to win. It is not actually that important. Don't believe me? Go out to a bar, sit next to a pretty gal (or guy, depending on your gender etc) and start talking about how much you win at Guild Wars.
Yeah, go ahead, I'll wait, because this will be a short trip for you.
See? They did not care.
So, now that we have put the "victory or die" mantra to rest, because no one cares, its time to deal with the rest of your argument........ Hmmm.... Well there is no rest of your argument.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
lennymon
The goals are not mediocrity as you clearly are either misinterpreting or misrepresenting, they are simply to have fun. Therein lies the fatal flaw in almost every PVE vs PVP 'debate' that's ever occurred on these hallowed boards (and why each and every time they are both pitiful and humorous).
PVP players value winning/beating the competition that's what is fun, be that vs the ai (not as challenging) or vs a human (at least technically human).
PVE players can have fun in town yakking with their friends not acchieveing ANY victory.
Both are successful at this game, and neither 'side' will ever admit that since of course there is bad blood... for ob*li*vious reasons.
Yun, you have excellent logic. You can figure it out... however you may need to concede a tie in order to win.
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
PVP players value winning/beating the competition that's what is fun, be that vs the ai (not as challenging) or vs a human (at least technically human).
PVE players can have fun in town yakking with their friends not acchieveing ANY victory.
Both are successful at this game, and neither 'side' will ever admit that since of course there is bad blood... for ob*li*vious reasons.
Yun, you have excellent logic. You can figure it out... however you may need to concede a tie in order to win.
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Sorry, your little version of morality does not actually apply to the world the way you think it does.
And way to go, generalizing PvP'ers. Let's ignore the fact that we have to work together and get to know one another in order to form connections and bonds in order to get goals done (win halls? win in gvg?). I don't understand why you have this near-total inability to think straight when it comes to PvP'ers.
We're people, just like you. Except instead of bathing in relative mediocrity we've come to value skill and ability. It's like working on a project in a group. Does someone not pull their weight? Are they just plain stupid? Do you sit around and think about their hurt feelings while the rest of your group is punished by their incompetency?
Well if you do, thank god the world doesn't operate on your level, otherwise we'd never get anything done correctly.
If you suck, you suck. You can paint it in a million different covers and call it 'blowing hard' or 'noodle short of a bowl of spaghetti' or 'a penny short of a dollar'. I don't care what you call it. Stop f*cking crying.
And for your information, I don't act insolent or crude at all. I just don't play with the morons. Way easier. I play with guildies and friends who don't suck. Wow, wasn't that easy? No need to be cruel or condescending.
It's when I come to the forums and read the relentless crap you people post that I feel like someone should speak up for plain spoken truth. What is with you people? All you want to do is dance with the fairies and fart perfume. PC doesn't change anything except add more bullsh*t to the truth, so get over yourself already and learn to talk straight.
And lastly, if I'm a psychology project than you're a full blown case of insanity. Welcome to the real world.
And way to go, generalizing PvP'ers. Let's ignore the fact that we have to work together and get to know one another in order to form connections and bonds in order to get goals done (win halls? win in gvg?). I don't understand why you have this near-total inability to think straight when it comes to PvP'ers.
We're people, just like you. Except instead of bathing in relative mediocrity we've come to value skill and ability. It's like working on a project in a group. Does someone not pull their weight? Are they just plain stupid? Do you sit around and think about their hurt feelings while the rest of your group is punished by their incompetency?
Well if you do, thank god the world doesn't operate on your level, otherwise we'd never get anything done correctly.
If you suck, you suck. You can paint it in a million different covers and call it 'blowing hard' or 'noodle short of a bowl of spaghetti' or 'a penny short of a dollar'. I don't care what you call it. Stop f*cking crying.
And for your information, I don't act insolent or crude at all. I just don't play with the morons. Way easier. I play with guildies and friends who don't suck. Wow, wasn't that easy? No need to be cruel or condescending.
It's when I come to the forums and read the relentless crap you people post that I feel like someone should speak up for plain spoken truth. What is with you people? All you want to do is dance with the fairies and fart perfume. PC doesn't change anything except add more bullsh*t to the truth, so get over yourself already and learn to talk straight.
And lastly, if I'm a psychology project than you're a full blown case of insanity. Welcome to the real world.
byteme!
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
Mumble mumble mumble
Just shut up. Post your builds that you use and let us PvE'ers disect it for you to see what your problem is. Seriously if you are that bad at PvE since it's quite apparent now...what argument can you possibly hold up with PvP'ers? I've respected your posts in the past but now it's getting ridiculous. You're nitpicking through everyone's post who doesn't agree with you to find things to quote. YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE LAST WORD BECAUSE ALOT OF PEOPLE PvE or PvP DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. If you can't figure that out yet maybe you should go back and read this thread all over again. Would it make you feel better if I found a similarly bad PvE player that agrees with your views? Do not quote me....Do not go off topic.....just do this....
Post your PvE builds or stop posting. You are a walking flame bait.
Post your PvE builds or stop posting. You are a walking flame bait.
KANE OG
Not locked yet? Hmmmmmm, Mods must not be on the ball. I don't agree with the unrealistic difficulty aspect at all. I think some things are a bitch and others are cake. I take the bitch and eat the cake later.
KANE
KANE
Div
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
It happens all the time in here. Go back and read the thread - its full of a bunch of people shouting "FAIL" at the OP. Do you think they actually they ask themselves if that is the right thing to do? Look at the post you just made, is that really how you want people to see you?
Yes it is.
If I complain how Kryta is too hard in NM, then I'm pretty sure people will be shouting fail at me too. And it's the right thing to do, because that's the truth.
If I complain how Kryta is too hard in NM, then I'm pretty sure people will be shouting fail at me too. And it's the right thing to do, because that's the truth.
byteme!
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Yes it is.
If I complain how Kryta is too hard in NM, then I'm pretty sure people will be shouting fail at me too. And it's the right thing to do, because that's the truth. Exactly. If thousands of people can do a quest/mission which is seemingly easy and I cry that it's too hard I deserve what's coming. I'll take it like man instead of crying and ranting about it until someone sees my point of view.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
If I complain how Kryta is too hard in NM, then I'm pretty sure people will be shouting fail at me too. And it's the right thing to do, because that's the truth. Exactly. If thousands of people can do a quest/mission which is seemingly easy and I cry that it's too hard I deserve what's coming. I'll take it like man instead of crying and ranting about it until someone sees my point of view.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
TabascoSauce
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Yes it is.
If I complain how Kryta is too hard in NM, then I'm pretty sure people will be shouting fail at me too. And it's the right thing to do, because that's the truth. ...so you are saying that that is a better answer than saying "Cap and use these X and Y skills"?
This is not a "Win or Die" universe. Yours is not really an appropriate response to other human beings, since that is what we are dealing with here, not bots. Since others are giving me extremely disparate viewpoints about life, and how human beings should treat each other, perhaps some extreme examples to show how inappropriate it is.
At your school graduation ceremony preparation, the doors to the auditorium were not hermetically sealed, poisonous gas pumped in, and then sufficient antidote dropped into the center of the room in autoinjectors to cure half of your class, with "Win or Die!" blaring from the speakers.
At your wedding, you should not determine the worthiness of the Priest to marry you by attacking him with a sword right before he says "I do", yelling
"Win or die!"
After your retirement, and subsequent failing health, your children will not assume that you need to prove yourself, and light the retirement home you reside in on fire while chanting outside "Win or Die!"
If your children have a question about their homework, phrased politely or poorly, you do not scream "Fail!" at them.
If you come across someone involved in an accident, and see that they are bleeding, you should not scream "Fail!" at them.
If you see a homeless man, it probably would be better to either give him some change, or ignore him, than screaming "Fail!" at him.
Does that about cover it?
I think the mods keep this open because it is riotously funny.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
Edit - I almost forgot, if you get married, uh, well lets say that if you do decide to scream "Fail!" at them, then I would watch, uh, when you say it, you know? In fact, never say fail to your spouse.
If I complain how Kryta is too hard in NM, then I'm pretty sure people will be shouting fail at me too. And it's the right thing to do, because that's the truth. ...so you are saying that that is a better answer than saying "Cap and use these X and Y skills"?
This is not a "Win or Die" universe. Yours is not really an appropriate response to other human beings, since that is what we are dealing with here, not bots. Since others are giving me extremely disparate viewpoints about life, and how human beings should treat each other, perhaps some extreme examples to show how inappropriate it is.
At your school graduation ceremony preparation, the doors to the auditorium were not hermetically sealed, poisonous gas pumped in, and then sufficient antidote dropped into the center of the room in autoinjectors to cure half of your class, with "Win or Die!" blaring from the speakers.
At your wedding, you should not determine the worthiness of the Priest to marry you by attacking him with a sword right before he says "I do", yelling
"Win or die!"
After your retirement, and subsequent failing health, your children will not assume that you need to prove yourself, and light the retirement home you reside in on fire while chanting outside "Win or Die!"
If your children have a question about their homework, phrased politely or poorly, you do not scream "Fail!" at them.
If you come across someone involved in an accident, and see that they are bleeding, you should not scream "Fail!" at them.
If you see a homeless man, it probably would be better to either give him some change, or ignore him, than screaming "Fail!" at him.
Does that about cover it?
I think the mods keep this open because it is riotously funny.Thanks!
TabascoSauce
Edit - I almost forgot, if you get married, uh, well lets say that if you do decide to scream "Fail!" at them, then I would watch, uh, when you say it, you know? In fact, never say fail to your spouse.
Burst Cancel
There's a difference between, "Guys, I'm stuck here, please help" vs. "This is impossible, Anet RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, PLZ FIX!!!" Specifically, one poster will get help, the other will draw flames. It's not difficult to see why.
If you're going to extrapolate game attitudes to real life (the validity of which is highly debatable to begin with), at least pick relevant and realistic examples. For instance, Corporation X isn't going to coddle slackers and morons - those kinds of people get fired. Similarly, bad sports player either warm the bench all year or don't make the team in the first place. There is absolutely no similarity between the current situation and your gross misrepresentations (gassing high school students for no reason? okay).
GW is, in general, a performance-based activity. It is unrealistic and unreasonable to expect those who perform well to tolerate those who do not - just as underperformance is not tolerated in the workplace or on any competitive team. The argument is similar in scope to why the complaints of new players in Halls (e.g., not being able to find good teams) were entirely without merit. Of course good teams won't take poor players; there is no sound reason to do so.
Finally:
- children that do things wrong do get punished. And while parents might help their kids on their homework, the tests and grades absolutely will scream "fail" at them. Finally, children are coddled because they are children. If a grown man can't do his job, you scream "fail" at him.
- If you come across someone involved in an accident, you do not scream "fail" at them - unless the accident was their own doing, and they complain that it's unfair and the government should do something about it (alternatively, if they do something to themselves and then turn around and sue someone for it). Then you scream "fail" at them.
- If you see a homeless man, you do not scream "fail" at him. However, if he starts complaining about the unfairness of the world and demanding handouts from all passersby, you scream "fail" at him.
So you see, although the situations are generally the same, the exact circumstances and behavior of the subject can be such that screaming "fail" at the subject is, if not warranted, at least understandable.
If you're going to extrapolate game attitudes to real life (the validity of which is highly debatable to begin with), at least pick relevant and realistic examples. For instance, Corporation X isn't going to coddle slackers and morons - those kinds of people get fired. Similarly, bad sports player either warm the bench all year or don't make the team in the first place. There is absolutely no similarity between the current situation and your gross misrepresentations (gassing high school students for no reason? okay).
GW is, in general, a performance-based activity. It is unrealistic and unreasonable to expect those who perform well to tolerate those who do not - just as underperformance is not tolerated in the workplace or on any competitive team. The argument is similar in scope to why the complaints of new players in Halls (e.g., not being able to find good teams) were entirely without merit. Of course good teams won't take poor players; there is no sound reason to do so.
Finally:
- children that do things wrong do get punished. And while parents might help their kids on their homework, the tests and grades absolutely will scream "fail" at them. Finally, children are coddled because they are children. If a grown man can't do his job, you scream "fail" at him.
- If you come across someone involved in an accident, you do not scream "fail" at them - unless the accident was their own doing, and they complain that it's unfair and the government should do something about it (alternatively, if they do something to themselves and then turn around and sue someone for it). Then you scream "fail" at them.
- If you see a homeless man, you do not scream "fail" at him. However, if he starts complaining about the unfairness of the world and demanding handouts from all passersby, you scream "fail" at him.
So you see, although the situations are generally the same, the exact circumstances and behavior of the subject can be such that screaming "fail" at the subject is, if not warranted, at least understandable.
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by nw5221
I’m at a point where I’m about to quit.
I won't bother commenting more than this once I saw that comment, If you can't beat certain area, double check your builds, check guildwars fansites for ideas and information and seriously quitting the game cause you can't beat an area is childish.
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by lennymon
PVP players value winning/beating the competition that's what is fun, be that vs the ai (not as challenging) or vs a human (at least technically human).
PVE players can have fun in town yakking with their friends not acchieveing ANY victory.
Both are successful at this game, and neither 'side' will ever admit that since of course there is bad blood... for ob*li*vious reasons.
Yun, you have excellent logic. You can figure it out... however you may need to concede a tie in order to win.
I would say that the average PvE'er regards mending/frenzy/healsig/endure pain wammos with a large amount of derision. The irony is that they don't realize its all a matter of degrees. That wammo is playing for fun, and what he thinks is a good build. Sure. But people think he's a tard. The 'elite' PvE'ers think that since they've been playing for X years they are certainly better than that stupid wammo. Then, they get all riled up when PvP'ers decide to tell them their bars suck/they don't have 'skill' (making gross generalizations here). What they don't get is that when they laugh at that wammo, they are doing the same thing the PvP'ers do.
Human beings are generally the same. More experience PvE'ers laugh at new, stupid PvE'ers, less experienced PvP'ers laugh at more experienced PvE'ers, and the most experienced PvP'ers laugh at the less experienced PvP'ers.
The difference between PvP'ers and PvE'ers in a large part is that PvP'ers already know that this happens. It is a part of PvP culture, because we strive to dominate or win over other teams. PvE'ers on the other hand will stridently claim ridiculous notions of 'feelings hurt' or 'Pvpers are full of crap' or some other borderline thoughtless comment, without realizing that they do the same thing all along.
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
Listen to yourself. Everything has to be perfect - victory all the time. Those less efficient are losers, and are not worth your time, and you kick them to the curb. Man, that's an awesome philosophy. Did you think that up all by yourself?
You claimed before that this was merely your way of playing the game, as if that was an excuse for your statements? How is how you act different than how you act in life? You are dealing with real people, with real feelings. With your mindset, Stephen Hawking would have been "put down" and we would not have the scientific astronomy and physics knowledge we have now because of him. I think you have a problem, and it comes down to the need to win. It is not actually that important. Don't believe me? Go out to a bar, sit next to a pretty gal (or guy, depending on your gender etc) and start talking about how much you win at Guild Wars. Yeah, go ahead, I'll wait, because this will be a short trip for you. See? They did not care. So, now that we have put the "victory or die" mantra to rest, because no one cares, its time to deal with the rest of your argument........ Hmmm.... Well there is no rest of your argument. Thanks! TabascoSauce Again, more straw man. Who taught you to argue anyways? I'm beginning to think you're just trolling, because I can't honestly believe you would take a meter and make it into a f*cking mile EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's comforting to know that in your mind you would end up dead and I would be alive. PS. Real life isn't a f*cking game. TabascoSauce
Your allegations of team sports and bad players being sacked, or corporations and such, is a good comparison for PvP. This is not PvP. Those are occasions where a specific group of people with the right specialties are brought together to achieve a common goal, which does not resemble PvE in the slightest.
PvP, as has been shown, does not sell enough games to support itself, so ANet knows that PvE is their bread and butter. We pay for your convenience, because you cannot support yourself. Without "them", there would be no "you". So, Burst Cancel, the process can be broken down to steps. The poster posts, sometimes well, sometimes poorly. A bunch of posters scream "Fail!" at him. He flames back. Other posters offer help. The OP goes on his merry way. This is not an unusual occurence, as we all can see. The whole "Fail!"/flame cycle could be skipped, because it is irrelevant, and offers no value. This is a no-brainer. You folks can try and try and try, but there is no good reason, ever, to use "Fail!" or otherwise ridicule any poster asking for help in PvE, be it well or poorly. Thanks! TabascoSauce
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
Your allegations of team sports and bad players being sacked, or corporations and such, is a good comparison for PvP. This is not PvP. Those are occasions where a specific group of people with the right specialties are brought together to achieve a common goal, which does not resemble PvE in the slightest.
PvP, as has been shown, does not sell enough games to support itself, so ANet knows that PvE is their bread and butter. We pay for your convenience, because you cannot support yourself. Without "them", there would be no "you". So, Burst Cancel, the process can be broken down to steps. The poster posts, sometimes well, sometimes poorly. A bunch of posters scream "Fail!" at him. He flames back. Other posters offer help. The OP goes on his merry way. This is not an unusual occurence, as we all can see. The whole "Fail!"/flame cycle could be skipped, because it is irrelevant, and offers no value. This is a no-brainer. You folks can try and try and try, but there is no good reason, ever, to use "Fail!" or otherwise ridicule any poster asking for help in PvE, be it well or poorly. Thanks! TabascoSauce Why don't you just go hug Barney? If you're really that much of a carebear I'd advise that GW is the wrong place for you to start. There are plenty of other organizations like Greenpeace, PETA and various organizations that could use someone like you to champion the case for human justice, love, peace and equality. Alternatively you could go find the guy that runs Miami Ink and have him tattoo a huge f*cking rainbow with My Little Ponies, Cabbage Patch Dolls and maybe Spongebob Squarepants on your belly for you - although Spongebob might be too offensive for you to handle. In addition, if you want to find other people like you who desperately want to provide help, you might to check The Hall of Knowledge, The Campfire and the Gladiators Arena, each of these subforums have people submitting builds, others evaluating or commenting on them, and generally helpful feedback occurring. If you want to get complain like a b*tch about how you've played for two years and can't beat GW:EN in normal mode and how you are most definitely going to rage quit the game cause ANET is full of sh*t, then come here and prepare to get your face wiped in mud by the community. Give it up already, you're not a power ranger, no matter how hard you try.
cdgsax
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Originally Posted by KANE OG
KANE For all those who complained about people telling the OP that he/she sucked, doing it wrong, whatever, go read the very first post of this thread again. The guy/girl NEVER asked for any help. It was just a rant about how Anet created some type of unrealistic difficulty, in his/her mind, that caused him/her not to progress through some part(s) of the game, and he/she is at the point of quitting all together. If someone posts crap like that, they are setting themselves up for responses like "Fail", or "You Suck". Whether or not he/she truly wanted help is not relevant because he/she NEVER stated "I need help". We aren't mind readers. I have no sympathy for the OP. If he/she wants sympathy, then OP, go look in the dictionary. You will find it there.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
At your school graduation ceremony preparation, the doors to the auditorium were not hermetically sealed, poisonous gas pumped in, and then sufficient antidote dropped into the center of the room in autoinjectors to cure half of your class, with "Win or Die!" blaring from the speakers.
I, for one, support the mass murder of 17 year olds.
/sarcasm Seriously, do you realize how retarded you look right now?
Thom Bangalter
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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
...so you are saying that that is a better answer than saying "Cap and use these X and Y skills"?
This is not a "Win or Die" universe. Yours is not really an appropriate response to other human beings, since that is what we are dealing with here, not bots. Since others are giving me extremely disparate viewpoints about life, and how human beings should treat each other, perhaps some extreme examples to show how inappropriate it is. At your school graduation ceremony preparation, the doors to the auditorium were not hermetically sealed, poisonous gas pumped in, and then sufficient antidote dropped into the center of the room in autoinjectors to cure half of your class, with "Win or Die!" blaring from the speakers. At your wedding, you should not determine the worthiness of the Priest to marry you by attacking him with a sword right before he says "I do", yelling "Win or die!" After your retirement, and subsequent failing health, your children will not assume that you need to prove yourself, and light the retirement home you reside in on fire while chanting outside "Win or Die!" If your children have a question about their homework, phrased politely or poorly, you do not scream "Fail!" at them. If you come across someone involved in an accident, and see that they are bleeding, you should not scream "Fail!" at them. If you see a homeless man, it probably would be better to either give him some change, or ignore him, than screaming "Fail!" at him. Does that about cover it? I think the mods keep this open because it is riotously funny.Thanks! TabascoSauce Edit - I almost forgot, if you get married, uh, well lets say that if you do decide to scream "Fail!" at them, then I would watch, uh, when you say it, you know? In fact, never say fail to your spouse.
oh so video games=real life?
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Seriously, do you realize how retarded you look right now?
There was a time this wasn't true? When and where was this?
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
There was a time this wasn't true? When and where was this?
You dare correct me and make me look wrong? That's the same as messily devouring an infant covered in BBQ sauce. I would like to make a stand and say that both correcting people and the devouring of infants is wrong.
(Insert wall of text here)
Faer
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Originally Posted by cdgsax
Honestly, I think they are sitting back, drinking margaritas, and getting a kick out of this bullshit. I know I am.
It's Coca-Cola, actually.
gloria vander belt
have had no problems, GW is very easy, Hard Mode has the difficulty
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