Make all grind-based titles account based.

Personally I divide titles into 3 groups:

- Task based where you have a list of tasks to perform, and you get the title by successfully performing each task once. Titles in this group: Protectors, Guardians, Vanquishers, Cartographer, Skill hunters, Master of the North and KOBD.

- Failable titles where its possible to get it so your character can never obtain that title. These titles are Survivor and LDOA.

- Grind based titles where you perform one task over and over again until you have enough points (minutes drunk, chests opened, etc) for the title. Some grind based titles have multiple ways to raise their points value, and it may be possible to max some of them out without repeating anything (for example, by maxing Sunspear as you vanquish Elona). These include all the other remaining titles.

I'm proposing that all the grind based titles be made account based with your progress in that track after the change being calculated by simply adding up how many point you had across all your characters before the update. If the addition would put you over the points needed for the max rank in that title I won't object to having any points above it lost.

While you may class Survivor and LDOA as grind-based I don't, therefore I'm not proposing any changes to them. If you would like them changed please discuss it elsewhere, though you may copy and paste my arguments if you feel they will help you.

Now to justify this suggestion.

- The grind based title don't show much in the way of skill, just that you can perform some task over and over. Completing a campaign shows more skill. This may change with the higher ranks of the GW:EN reputation titles if HM is the only way to max them, but that hasn't happened yet. Also while PvP titles do show skill, these are already account based and therefore irrelevant to this suggestion.

- There isn't much change in the task between different primary professions. For Drunkard, Wisdom and Sweet Tooth the real task of acquiring the items doesn't even need to be done on the character that uses the items and gets the title. Sunspear and Lightbringer are usually farmed in wurms, meaning again there is no change between different classes. I don't see much difference between hero/hencing on different classes in normal mode. So that only leaves the Treasure Hunter title as possible being significantly different between classes.

- Reduces hassle. Currently the best way to salvage or ID items is to transfer them to your character that is working on the relevant titles, do the work on them, then transfer them back to the character thats using them. Otherwise you have a higher chance to lose the item or your wasting golds that could be used to boost wisdom on the character thats going to receive it. Make them account based and you can do the work on the character that picks them up.

- More resistance to skill nerfs. When "There's Nothing to Fear!" got nerfed it made all my work at raising the Sunspear rank on my paragon worthless. A guildie had the same thing happen with his Monk and the Seed of Life nerf. But if these titles were account based then the work we put in would still be useful for boosting our other characters skills.

- No grind the second time through the Nightfall campaign. There are various points in NF where you need a specific rank in Sunspear to proceed, meaning if your rushing multiple characters through you need to grind up to that rank each time. But if its account based, you only need to grind your way up there once and as your likely wandering your first time through and doing side tasks, you might not even have to grind at all.

- Because of the titles that effect your lockpick chance, if you use lockpicks on other characters you may feel like your wasting gold. But with the titles account based and all characters getting the same percentage that goes away.

- Reduces the encouragement for people to stick to one or two characters. As it stands now the character based titles encourage people to pick one of their characters as their main and not play the others as much. Make the titles account based and this encouragement decreases.

- Reduces a lot of grind because of the points people will pick up as they progress through a campaign over multiple characters.

This shouldn't effect favor too much because while it means there are less titles for each account to acquire, we will also have some people acquire more titles than they would otherwise because the tiles are now obtainable even while they keep changing which class they are playing.

Now while some of you may think that this bad because I'm asking for the titles to require less work, this can be countered by increasing the points required for the highest rank without much loss to the other benefits given. Though the question is how much to increase them by since any increase will hurt the people who only play one character (though not by as much as if we increased ranks other than the top one) and we can't simply increase it by the average number of characters an account has since most of those characters aren't likely to get the grind titles anyway.

Edit to clarify: I am asking for the following titles to be changed:
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
If it is not on the above list then I am opposed to it being made account based.

Addition (7 feb 2008): ANET has just added the Party Animal title track to Guild Wars. Since it is a character based grinding title, it is a title I would like to see as account based.

Haven't you heard? Grind is what will keep us... ugh... *interested* in GW until GW2 shows up. Making titles (or Hall of Monuments) account based would discourage us from grinding multiple titles on multiple characters, and ANet can't have that!

/marketing

Anyway, an admirable idea, but will sadly never happen

/signed x10

This is a brilliant idea that could help those of us who don't have all the time in the world to play have a reasonable chance of getting some of these titles. Not to mention the given reasons.

And from what I heard, making those titles account-wide breaks the lore. Or continuity. Or something like that. So it no longer makes sense.

So stop posting on forums, and get back to grind.

This idea is better than what we have right now so yeah

/signed

This would only be fair if the account based title took an absurd amount of time to get up to maximum. So in other words, doing one grind of LB/SS, whereas they both only need 50,000 points would be silly.

Make it perhaps 500,000 and you've got a different story. Then I'd agree.

not-signed, i know alot of players have multiple char that they play including myself. But some of the titles i am not even going to touch in my live with my other characters. I have one main char that i constantly play with and that char is working toward completing various title like Treasure Hunter, Wisdom or other char specific titles. Besides char titles dont have to completed like ss/lbs or others to complete the game only till specific level thats it. And that where my other char will come in. I personally wont grind all over again so my other char will have this title, mean why? I will get required level to get armor or to proceed with the game but thats about it. I play with my other char when bored with main char or want try something else for a change but as far as grinding all over again, it ain't gonna happen.

it sounds like a good idea, but still will make everything easier to acquire. When you create a new character, this is a "NEW CHARACTER" in which you start from scratch

/signed

Although...

...yeah, I think encouraging people to stick with one character was the reason ArenaNet made them character-based in the first place, unfortunately.

*Hey look at me... I'm a lvl 4 with Legendary Spearmarshal*

So your not signing because you don't care about getting the titles for your other characters ?
I suppose that does make sense, but its a personal opinion here. Some questions though:
- Do you care that, because of the treasure hunter title being character based, it costs you more to use lockpicks on your secondary characters ?
- Do you care that your main character, by having higher ranks in wisdom and treasure hunter, has a better chance of not breaking an item when salvaging ? (This only counts for items where its not worht using a perfect salvage kit)

How will it make things easier when the grind is pretty easy anyway ?

Or do you instead mean that it will make things quicker ?

Also what is the harm in making things quicker to acquire ?

By making the GW:EN armors quicker to acquire, more people spend gold on them, meaning less gold floating around to cause inflation.

And how is this a bad thing ?

/signed... again.

Everytime i see this idea i love it. I have one character of each profession for PvE on my account, but most of the time i just play my "main" monk for exactly the reasons the OP stated. A change would be very, very nice.

/signed
There's no excuse for grind. If you grind an angel loses his wings.
And implodes.

/notsigned

Let the titles stay how they are, well Anet did make the titles how they want that to be.
Dont you think that if it was possible to get those titles account based they already made them account based?

Well check this

Hey im lvl one with Kind of a big deal! They didnt make it this way to change it alot you know ...

/halfsigned.

Not on the ones that are part of the storyline, like sunspear etc.

But all the extra ones, sweet tooth, drunkard, wisdom, treasure hunter etc. I mean the titles for going AFK during the boardwalk games are already account wide. Why are not at least the other nonsensical ones? (Sweet tooth and drunkard.)

/Signed

Very agreeable reasoning.

Poor guy, how about reading topic's name
" Make all grind-based titles account based."
Is Kind of a Big Deal grind-based title?
I'll leave you with this question and a lil' hint.
Think sometimes, ok?

So what? I've seen tons of lv ones with r9 pvp.

Although this will waste my 300 unid gold since I happen to have r1 wisdom on 3 chars due to the lockpicking in missions I'll /sign

My ranger got r3 wisedom. my warrior has the chestrunner title. Lots of hassle when you salvage stuff. Not keen on re-doing all cartographer titles as well -.- nor the goddamn sunspear thingie on my monk.

Kind of big deal on a lvl 1? Sure, why not?

/signed again

Just like ANET first made Guild Wars with attribute refund points. Oh wait, those were removed after enough people made it clear they didn't like them. But by your logic because ANET first made GW with them, therefore we should still have them. And we shouldn't have hard mode across all chapters, because ANET didn't make them with it at first. Want any more examples ?

Why wouldn't it be possible to take multiple numbers and add them up to make a single number ?

Hmm, that would be Drunkard, Wisdom which are obtainable on level 1 characters currently. So lets just pick 2 of the account based ones to finish the job and you can have KOBD rank 1 on a level 1 character. In fact you can even get rank 2 with the help of the PvP title tracks.

But what is the problem with a low level character showing off an account based title ?
People showing off their rank emotes all over the place didn't ruin guild wars, and you don't see a persons title unless you look. And if they are bragging in local, well the bragging says a lot more about the person than the title does.

Anyway :

/signed.

I play several characters just for the fun of it. I whish Anet would stop pushing me towards playing just one. If I have to go through the same content again (replayability) then I prefer doing it with a different character.

Is it possible for ANet to add points in different titles together?

I think that people like Lyllrik should have their titles combined, if it's even possible.

So if you had 300 on your first, 200 on your second, and 100 on your third, the update would give you one title with 600 points.

Like I said, I'm not sure if this is even possible to code, but it'd be a shame to see peeps like that lose all that work...

It would also have to be set up so that if the addition of all their titles go over the maximum title, it would cap it off so as not to have any glitched out titles.

Emphasis on /Signed

That's exactly how I feel about this..so /halfsigned aswel for the above mentioned reasons

I won't get tired of repeating this in every relevant thread: Make EVERY TITLE account based- /sign

Not signed, because I think that the classification is wrong.

SS and LB are related to the storyline.
Forget the fact they're maxed with grind. LB means that you have killed tons of Abaddon's servants and as a result you are "stronger" against them, have damage reduction and increased damage for your spells.

If you create a new character and meet the first margonites (when you reach Chantry of Secrets if I remember well), I don't see why you should have +40% bonus damage just because one of your previous character maxed LB.
It would be like you start every new character at level 20 just because you have another level 20 character in your account.


Other titles should be considered to be moved in the account-wise sections:

1. Skill Hunter: I play all 10 classes, and I try to capture every elite for each class with the character that will use the elite.
Capturing Ritual Lord with my warrior seems actually a waste of time and gold.

Anyway, doing this I will never have LSH even though I have captured every single elite in my account.
If I want a LSH, I have to choose one character and recap all elites of the other 9 classes, so nearly double gold and time to cap skills that will never be used, like RL on a warrior.

2. To some extent, wisdom, because normally what we do is put all the gold drops in the storage and identify them with one single char, or use that char when we want to recycle something, to have better chances of keeping the item.
This seems a waste of time.

Note that both of the titles I mentioned are not related to the storyline.
That's the cryteria to be used when discussing about account-wise titles, not grind.

Agreed.

To those who would prefer storyline titles remain required for each character, what about this option: Lore based titles(SS/LB/GWEN reputation) could become account based upon beating the campaign in question. You would still have to get a minimum rank as a new nightfall character, for example, and the lore remains intact, but after beating the final mission, you don't have to grind for enhanced skills again.

Some titles are gold sinks.
Grind title are Time sinks.
Time sinks should not exist in GW.

But I would make them a bit dufferent. Instead of 'instant share' I would make it so when you hit a certain ammount, you get the highest amount in your account.

For example. Getting to rank 7 in sunspear is easy.
So, if you have a character with r10 sunspear, all the others would get sunspear10 when they reach sunspear7.

So. you grind with one characters, and the others just have to 'play normally'.

The main point I will always agree is the 'family' feel of the characters of an account. And making 10 characters playable normally, and not ahving to focus in one if you want to get things.

This is a quote on wiki.guildwars.com
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...count-Based.3F

/Signed

I want Norn Armor and Asuran sunglasses for my two main characters. But, I don't want to have to grind 26,000 points on the Norn title and and then another 26,000 Asuran title, then do it all over again for my other character. And any character thereafter that wants a nice pair of shades.

And they already have an example of this kind of thing. As I have pointed out in another thread, the Luxon and Kurzik title tracks are required to progress in the storyline, as well as to use the merchants in their respective cities. Why not make Norn, Vanguard, Asuran, Sunspear, LB, and the joke titles like Drunkard and Sweet tooth account wide? Then have Cartographers, Survior, and other related titles be character based. They would seem much more attainable in that case, and more fun to get becuase then you wouldn't have to concentrate on a single character when you like to play on all of them.

I really dont, u might think i'm rich well i'm not, most of the times i don't even bother to buy lockpicks with my other char. If one will drop during the game i will either use it and get gold or "purple lol" or store it the storage so when i play with main char i will able to use it to count to toward the title. same thing with gold drops, store it, id it with main char salvage or merch it.

As far in gwen getting armor, i don't mind grind a bit to get to lvl5. Its the same with cantha faction restrictions, they got quests to get u to 10k. Or even in nightfall. I got survival lvl1 with my dervish without leaving noob island, and reached enough sunspear points to continue the game. Was it fun? hell yea i was at edge of my sit thinking how the hell i just survived that fight and i didn't even payed attention to ss point, u get the blessing and u play. If u enjoy playing with your characters why not grid a bit to continue the game. This is what its all about, enjoying the game.

imo only Sunspear, Lightbringer norn asuran dwarven and ebon vanguard should be made account based.

Why should I forget my main complaint with these titles simply because you tell me to ?
And yet when you kill Abaddon himself, you get nothing. But killing his minions gives you small boosts, so shouldn't killing him give you a major boost ?
But since we don't get any boost for killing Abaddon, I'd can't see much link between the titles and the storyline and the titles except the name.

Well MithranArkanere's post gives a way to avoid this, though I don't really see it as a big issue. And we get to level 20 fast enough as it is.

Not part of my suggestion in the OP, therefore I'm ignoring it.

And this was suggested in the OP.

Why should storyline be used as a criteria instead of grind, when the storyline link doesn't effect gameplay but the grind aspect does ?

not signed

why? i would like to keep that there awesome tyrian explorer title on my monk. well, i may have taken her thru all 3 campaigns and currently doing gwen, but does she deserve tyrian grandmaster cartographer that my necro worked harder on? lol, nope, the bum

even though if every title became account based, that would definitely change the world in HoM...to my other chars' favors, the bums ^^ as they really have not completed much of anything since i put so much effort into leaving all titles for the necro ._.

is rank 5 in reputation really that much to squabble over though? it is very easy. spend all day long killing stuff, and you get it in like a day if not less. if i can do it, anyone can!

Yay! So, grind one day, then repeat the same stupid, boring, unchallenging s**t for every pve character you have and want to equip with GWEN armour or want his Asuran/Dwarven/Ebon/Norn pve skills improved

Here's a hint- some people (lots of them) don't like grind. And before you say something like "you just want everything easy and for free"- dead wrong again. People want to earn things. People don't want to repeat the same crap over and over.
But that comes from a guy who can spend a whole day grinding so I don't really expect him to understand.

The explorer title is a task based title, and therefore one of the ones I'm not proposing any changes to.

Ok, so we spend one day killing the same characters over and over for one character. Lets call that 8 hours of gameplay. For me that gets boring really quickly, so I'll probably be able to manage an hour a day without going and doing something else. Its not like the areas you farm the points are challenging, especially after you have farmed them a few times.

So why force so much grinding for stat improvements ?

Despite wanting some of the GW:EN armors, I couldn't care less about grinding for them. But I do care about stat improvements, and they go all the way to the max obtainable rank.

Yeah. Nobody consider Carthographer a grind. Yet no one says it is 'easy'.

You have to walk ALL OVER THE WORLD.

With grind titles, if you want to get rid of the grind as soon as possible, you go to the 'best area' to farm the points, and do it again and again.

You could make different areas to get rid of boredom, but even if you clear all areas FIVE TIMES you still have many grind to go left.

Ok, Grinding titles.... so mainly the reputation titles for any race, creature or faction right?

So heres the thing, you make one character....max out ALLL his or her titles....and THEN (and heres the best part) .... you can make a new character with a huge amount of already maxed titles.... i mean lets see..
LvL 1 with Kind of a big deal.....
LvL 1 in Cantha, as a lvl 10 Vanguard agent... even though that Character has never even SEEN the Ebon Vanguard.

Get back into the spirit of the game.... this is an RPG... ROLE PLAYING GAME (ok ok so mmorpg or whatever the hell it is ) but my point being is that you have a character in his or her OWN world, being their OWN character. Just cos someone knows god himself dont mean his brother should too right? ... you get my point.

and for the rest of you stop moaning that it takes to long and keep playing... if you had everything given to you on a silver platter everything would be boring.

/NOT Signed

I have 4 Treasure Hunters - two at level 3, one at level 2 and one at level 1. MUST OPEN CHEST. I don't mind if they had to wear their separate titles, but I'd love it if the benefits become account-based.

/halfsigned but sadly, I don't really see the change happening.

This post is wrong on so many level (you don't want to earn anything, this is rpg, blahblahblah) that it's not even funny anymore. One thing to say: read the god damn thread before posting.

You can already get at level 2:
- All elites.
- All skills.
- Unlimited skill points.
- Max armor with full upgrade sets.
- Max weapons.

So any 'too easy' or 'too soon' argument would be invalid, sorry.
The point is to grind less for more characters. Not just to grind less.
People would already have to grind with one character.
But not with ALL of them.

/signed

More things need to be account based across the board. HoM is a huge disappointment because it is character based. I'm a casual gamer with just a few hours to play after the kid is asleep. Less grinding, please.

/signed

i have no intention to go through all that farming again.
its stupid


also heroes shold be account based imo.