Make all grind-based titles account based.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

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14 Sep 2007 at 22:48 - 41
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Originally Posted by Tylos Angelheart
Ok, Grinding titles.... so mainly the reputation titles for any race, creature or faction right?

So heres the thing, you make one character....max out ALLL his or her titles....and THEN (and heres the best part) .... you can make a new character with a huge amount of already maxed titles.... i mean lets see..
LvL 1 with Kind of a big deal.....
LvL 1 in Cantha, as a lvl 10 Vanguard agent... even though that Character has never even SEEN the Ebon Vanguard.
You haven't said why this would be a bad thing from a gameplay perspective.

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Get back into the spirit of the game.... this is an RPG... ROLE PLAYING GAME (ok ok so mmorpg or whatever the hell it is ) but my point being is that you have a character in his or her OWN world, being their OWN character. Just cos someone knows god himself dont mean his brother should too right? ... you get my point.
Except that unlike other MMOs where the Friends and Guild lists are character based, Guild Wars has then as account based. So ANET was linking our character together from day 1.

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and for the rest of you stop moaning that it takes to long and keep playing... if you had everything given to you on a silver platter everything would be boring.

/NOT Signed
We would still have to do the work in the first place. So why is forcing people to grind for stat improvements a good thing ?

MithranArkanere

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14 Sep 2007 at 23:03 - 42
In Guild Wars there is something called 'family feel'.
Characters of the same account seem to be related in some way:
- They share unlocks.
- They share festival hats.
- They will share miniatures.
- They share guild, alliance and friend/ignore lists.
- They share storage.
- They share all PvP aspects.
Why not to share 'merits'. Haven't you heard about 'personal recommendations'?
One character could have a way to improve the reputation of their related characters of the account.

wu is me

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Join Date: Oct 2007

08 Oct 2007 at 10:04 - 43
I thought that the idea that bilateralrope proposed in the topic here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=account+based
was great, i would have posted it my self if i hadn't seen it first (seriously ;]).

However people found it to be a problem that the titles would have less meaning if they current ranks were maintained. In other words people believed ranks would need to be more difficult to progress, if the titles were made account based.

This however will present a problem for people who only want to play one character, as they will have to bear more grind for equal reward.

My suggestion is that there be a way, say.. an npc, where you can choose how the points towards the titles are allocated. Under this system, the ranks reqs for all titles will be multiplied by some number, say.. four. You may then choose to recieve 4x points towards the title on the one character, or across all characters. The actual multiplier used will depend on how much anet wants to promote character "promiscuity" .

Edited by Celestial Beaver: Thread Merged with the one you linked to. If there is already a well established thread open for a topic of diccussion there is no need to create another.

edit: /signed

thezed

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08 Oct 2007 at 12:31 - 44
/not singed

I think it works best the way it is now. PvP = Account based. PvE = Char Based.

gremlin

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GWAR

Me/Mo

08 Oct 2007 at 12:43 - 45
no no no all achievements should be by the character that does them

if you want it that easy then have a pack on the online store and just buy it.
Prove you have the title with one character then pay $20 and its account wide.

All characters are different some of us like playing them that way, so I want to run a drunken letcher character and an sober quiet character.
oh wow now they both have a drunkard title.

What it comes down to is I want you to have what you want without it making me have it too.
If its too much time and grind for you to repeat it with all characters then so be it thats life.

Hyper.nl

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08 Oct 2007 at 12:56 - 46
Signed for all players who have multiple characters.

Pompeyfan

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08 Oct 2007 at 13:10 - 47
/signed

If the intention of grinding is to keep us playing GW then I'm afraid the opposite is going to happen to me - if ANet can't find an interesting way to keep us playing rather than repetative boring grind then the game is doomed imo and at the very least is incredibly poorly designed - no game should require you to have to do the same tasks more than a couple of times to get the rewards and there should be enough missions/quests to max everything without boring stuff - it is a game afterall and supposed to be FUN not a CHORE (although I only want to max them to make the PvE skills more effective, displaying titles dosen't interest me and I never notice titles on others).

I've given up on maxing LB and SS as the thought of facing another 70 farming runs of the same area and creatures sends me to sleep and the same goes for maxing out Vanguard, Asura and Norn - I've done every mission/quest and cleared each area once and yet I'm still only R4 Vanguard, R5 Asura and R6 Norn (at least getting Dwarf ones involves dungeons and chest rewards at the end) but they wouldn't be so bad if I could play through it all again with different characters and the points gained go to all characters - afterall that'd be no different to Luxon/Kurzrixk rep where all faction gained is account based, although a bloody stupid amount is needed and can't be gained with out weeks of repetative grind and don't give me all this bollox about each character should earn stuff on merit to show a title - if thats the case why isn't it the case in PvP where rank can be earned on a monk and displayed on a warrior etc? shouldn't PvP'ers have to earn their emotes and titles in each sperate profession as well?

Chris Blackstar

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08 Oct 2007 at 13:38 - 48
/maybe

the problem I see is the new favor system, it's based on maxing out titles, and if they were account based, then once you maxed them out, you would be left with nothing else to do. So making them account based could be bad.

However to solve that probelm, then Anet would have to design titles for everything, and then it would become meaningless.

I agree with you, I would like to see it happen, but I don't think it is really viable.

EPO Bot

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08 Oct 2007 at 13:46 - 49
How about just having one RP character and use the rest for PVP?

BlackSephir

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08 Oct 2007 at 13:51 - 50
SS Assassin? Genius!

gremlin

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Me/Mo

08 Oct 2007 at 16:01 - 51
The point of boring repetetive grinding is for those who wish to do it none of this is forced on any player but some players want to force their wishes on everyone else.

It is at the moment a free choice what titles each player wants to gain.
Some players to make their experience more fun want to short change everyone else.

What if someone wants to complete the game with each character class just for the challenge and they want the same opportunity to grind as often as they like for as many years as they like.
Who the heck are you to take that away because you want something.
The world doesnt run by what you want and neither should the game.

Some things are shared storage, items money etc it doesnt bother me because its just a game mechanic and because it would have been very hard to do it any other way.
Using that fact to justify account wide skills doesnt wash because if thats so then ok all my characters are able to change primary profession.

My necro is a ranger and my ranger is a necro can use either armor has the hits and energy the others have,
That's just as logical.

Have what you want but don't take away from others to get it

getalifebud

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08 Oct 2007 at 16:54 - 52
/signed

I feel sorry for people who get the choice of a Rainbow Phoenix on their main when its a caster or something.

Witchblade

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08 Oct 2007 at 18:02 - 53
/signed

i wanna open chests with ALL my chars

Mohnzh

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08 Oct 2007 at 18:13 - 54
/NOTSIGNED

Please don't take away other peoples fun just because you think it's too hard or you don't have the time. And just because you could never see how having it as character-based rather than account-based is fun doesn't mean that people don't feel that way. It just means that you don't.

Thom Bangalter

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MO

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08 Oct 2007 at 18:28 - 55
Character only titles become even more problematic when one takes into account that they have an actual effect on in game skills. Seeker of wisdom effects salvage rate, chest hunter is obvious. Since GW is (supposedly) about skill>time, these effects should have no place in a game where skill is valued.

I think titles like chest hunter and wisdom should, therefore, be account wide, while other titles that are certainly a 'grind' should probably be left out, both for aesthetic and business reasons. I don't think anyone is going to complain too much about such a change, nor do I think it would make people not play. (Who honestly plays this game just to open chests and id golds?)

There are obvious reasons they're character based, as gold sinks by and large are good for the game. However, since neither of these titles remove as much gold as consumables, sweet tooth, drunkard, and skill hunter, I don't think the gold sink aspect will be hindered too much either.

Pyro maniac

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08 Oct 2007 at 19:07 - 56
/notsigned

I wanted to /sign, however with the wiki quote I just think that the HoM should be account-wide. Leave the titles as they are

One note, some people are complaining on the fact that a max sunspear skill on a lvl 5 is inbalanced. They're right, but getting to level 20 is still easy and the same implies with the kurzick/luxon titles. Any lvl 1 can go to the guild hall and buy his/her PvE skill with maxed title

Curse You

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N/Mo

08 Oct 2007 at 19:43 - 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emik
*Hey look at me... I'm a lvl 4 with Legendary Spearmarshal*
Oh look, I can make a level 1 with Deadly Hero, Sentinel of the Luxons, Lucky and Unlucky. Yea, not like I couldn't already make low level characters with titles.

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh
/NOTSIGNED

Please don't take away other peoples fun just because you think it's too hard or you don't have the time. And just because you could never see how having it as character-based rather than account-based is fun doesn't mean that people don't feel that way. It just means that you don't.
Yes, because it is SO fun to grind the same title on 10 characters.

In fact, who actually likes to grind titles?

thezed

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08 Oct 2007 at 20:15 - 58
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Originally Posted by Curse You

In fact, who actually likes to grind titles?
I do. Got a problem with that?

MithranArkanere

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08 Oct 2007 at 20:26 - 59
One exception does not count.

The point is: Is a poll were created to let people vote (not only in GGuru, I mean INGAME) how many people would go for 'account based stuff'?

I bet MANY people.

zamial

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Usa

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08 Oct 2007 at 20:58 - 60
/not signed


instead lets just get a "/I win" emote installed that will give all max titles and unlock everything on all characters.........../sarcasm off

ValaOfTheFens

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08 Oct 2007 at 21:12 - 61
/signed for titles with no impact on gameplay excluding Survivor and LDoA but including Wisdom and Treasure Hunter and /notsigned for titles that have an impact on gameplay like SS, LB, and the GWEN allegiance titles.

Sorry but some grind needs to be kept character specific. SS and LB are really pretty easy to max. Between getting points as quest rewards and bounties you should easily be able to meet the titles when they're required. My Tyrian Necro was nearly a Castellan when I got "And A Hero Shall Lead Them" and all my Elonian toons are always Commanders(I think you stop getting bounties after you get Commander, no matter what your level is) before leaving Istan. The GWEN titles are just as easy. I only played the weekend and got at least rank 1 in all the titles except Ebon Vanguard.

Linksys

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Join Date: Apr 2006

08 Oct 2007 at 21:38 - 62
I agree. SS/LB are really freebies with the WURM ss/lb runs. Dwarf title is a freebie with the Treasure quest where you slaughter snowmen. Kurzick and Luxon however are very long to grind but fortunately they are account-wide.

bilateralrope

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08 Oct 2007 at 21:55 - 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by gremlin
no no no all achievements should be by the character that does them

if you want it that easy then have a pack on the online store and just buy it.
Prove you have the title with one character then pay $20 and its account wide.

All characters are different some of us like playing them that way, so I want to run a drunken letcher character and an sober quiet character.
oh wow now they both have a drunkard title.

What it comes down to is I want you to have what you want without it making me have it too.
If its too much time and grind for you to repeat it with all characters then so be it thats life.
You don't have to display your drunkard title on your sober character. So just pretend its not there when you play your sober character.

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar
the problem I see is the new favor system, it's based on maxing out titles, and if they were account based, then once you maxed them out, you would be left with nothing else to do. So making them account based could be bad.
This does seem bad, until you do the numbers.

Each valid title gives 3 minutes towards favor. This comes to only 175'200 titles needed to hold favor for a full 356 day year. Shortly before the GW:EN release ANET announced that they had sold over 4'000'000 copies. If we assume that these were equally spread across the 3 chapters and all merged together we get 1'333'333 accounts.

175'200 / 1'333'333 = 0.1314

So if only 14% of the people who bought accounts are active, we still only need 1 title per person per year for constant favor. And with multiple characters getting the benefit, we are giving players more incentive to finish off titles, meaning the people who currently aren't working towards them are more likely to finish them off.

So favor isn't really an issue. And if it was, we will still have the passage scrolls.

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
How about just having one RP character and use the rest for PVP?
Because playing only one character gets boring.

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh
/NOTSIGNED

Please don't take away other peoples fun just because you think it's too hard or you don't have the time. And just because you could never see how having it as character-based rather than account-based is fun doesn't mean that people don't feel that way. It just means that you don't.
How would this take away your fun ?
If you really enjoy the grinding, this won't stop you.

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Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens
The GWEN titles are just as easy. I only played the weekend and got at least rank 1 in all the titles except Ebon Vanguard.
Rank 1 is 1'000 points. Rank 8, the highest we can currently obtain, is 80'000 points. So 80 times the work.

ValaOfTheFens

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09 Oct 2007 at 02:16 - 64
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Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Rank 1 is 1'000 points. Rank 8, the highest we can currently obtain, is 80'000 points. So 80 times the work.
I actually have r3 Norn and r2 Deldrimor. But thats neither here nor there. R8 of the grind titles is still obtainable. I've seen plenty of R8's of the GWEN titles and even more high ranking SS' and LB's. The fact is that KoaBD and its subsequent titles wouldn't be worth anything if all the grind based titles were account based. If they were account based then KoaBD should be removed because it'll be too easy to get alot of maxed titles.

Ugoff The Unholy

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09 Oct 2007 at 02:42 - 65
Forgive me for not reading the whole thread as I'm about to go to bed, but...


The ONLY ONLY ONLY problem I have with this is that you could have a level... 1 for example with a disgustingly strong Whirlwind Attack. They would have to tie that stuff in a different way. Well, actually, I'm tired and don't even know if I'm thinking straight. Feel free to correct my logic. I'm new to NF anyway. :P


But even WITH that problem I "sign" x 1,000,000,000

hopefulliness

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09 Oct 2007 at 02:53 - 66
How bout its when the char gets to a ceratin point in the game, they get the highest title on the whole account. Like after you get to sunspear general and finish the quest, i see no problem in getting legendary spearmashall from you highest char. Or when you kill abadon, you can get your highest lightbringer. Same applies with norn, when you beat thier quest line, you get your highest title, and so on. i think with solution satifies both parties, The people that dont want lvl 1's with koabd and those who dont want to grind

Just my 2 cents

NelZelpheer

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Mo/

09 Oct 2007 at 03:17 - 67
/signed

As a PvE Player, I love playing all of my different chars, but I don't have lots of time to grind titles, specially for progressing in the storyline in NF, i've done it once, anything past that is way too much, I think that the insane title grind is getting too close to the pointless grinding of WoW for me.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

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09 Oct 2007 at 04:29 - 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugoff The Unholy
Forgive me for not reading the whole thread as I'm about to go to bed, but...


The ONLY ONLY ONLY problem I have with this is that you could have a level... 1 for example with a disgustingly strong Whirlwind Attack. They would have to tie that stuff in a different way. Well, actually, I'm tired and don't even know if I'm thinking straight. Feel free to correct my logic. I'm new to NF anyway. :P


But even WITH that problem I "sign" x 1,000,000,000
The only problem I can see from this is that it would make getting survivor easier. But this can be countered by making the PvE only skills (except cap sig, which shouldn't count as a PvE only) unusable until you either max out your survivor title or die.

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Originally Posted by hopefulliness
How bout its when the char gets to a ceratin point in the game, they get the highest title on the whole account. Like after you get to sunspear general and finish the quest, i see no problem in getting legendary spearmashall from you highest char. Or when you kill abadon, you can get your highest lightbringer. Same applies with norn, when you beat thier quest line, you get your highest title, and so on. i think with solution satifies both parties, The people that dont want lvl 1's with koabd and those who dont want to grind

Just my 2 cents
This would be more complex for ANET to implement, but I would be pleased with it.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

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09 Oct 2007 at 04:39 - 69
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Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens
I actually have r3 Norn and r2 Deldrimor. But thats neither here nor there.
It is when you try to say that because you got rank 1 quickly it means that max rank is quickly obtained.
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R8 of the grind titles is still obtainable. I've seen plenty of R8's of the GWEN titles and even more high ranking SS' and LB's.
Yes, its quickly obtained for one character. But your other characters require you to go grind them again. And I haven't seen any of the grind areas that require much in the way of skill, they just require you to have plenty of time to grind them. In fact, I doubt this change would make obtaining the titles for your first character to obtain them much quicker.

But how many of those players have the titles maxed across all their characters ?
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The fact is that KoaBD and its subsequent titles wouldn't be worth anything if all the grind based titles were account based. If they were account based then KoaBD should be removed because it'll be too easy to get alot of maxed titles.
Lets say that this change somehow makes the effected titles worthless. There are only 10 of these titles, so at worst it would make the first two tiers of KOBD worthless. Tier 3 and up would still be worth something.

thezed

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09 Oct 2007 at 13:05 - 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by zamial
/not signed


instead lets just get a "/I win" emote installed that will give all max titles and unlock everything on all characters.........../sarcasm off
Ha!

Then all we need is a /sex and /money emote and EVERYTHING will be handed to us. /end sarcasm

Arcane_Penguin

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R/Mo

09 Oct 2007 at 13:16 - 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by thezed
Ha!

Then all we need is a /sex and /money emote and EVERYTHING will be handed to us. /end sarcasm
Unless /sex includes a /changeappearance (hair, height, color, etc), then thats not all xD

PS: /unsigned, worst, idea, EVER. You want the title, work for it. Not hard.

Shakkara

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09 Oct 2007 at 13:23 - 72
/signed

I have a 'very important' warrior.

But I want to play a paragon so badly...

...but I don't want to do sweet tooth and skillhunter and all that expensive chest stuff again.

So no paragon for me.

thezed

thezed

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09 Oct 2007 at 13:42 - 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakkara
/signed

I have a 'very important' warrior.

But I want to play a paragon so badly...

...but I don't want to do sweet tooth and skillhunter and all that expensive chest stuff again.

So no paragon for me.
Not sure I get the logic on why not wanting to re-do the sweet tooth or wisdom title would keep you from making a Paragon......

Ferret

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R/Mo

09 Oct 2007 at 14:32 - 74
A fair thought and to be honest, a good idea. It's not about the difficulty, but the time, especially if you only have a few free hours a day to play.

Much like Luxon and Kurzick, the Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Dwarf and Vanguard Titles should be account based...there is only SO much grind one person can take.

/signed

Prof Of Black

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09 Oct 2007 at 15:03 - 75
Agreed with EoTN titles,
SS and LB will be too overpowered.

Both /signed

~Prof.

gremlin

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GWAR

Me/Mo

09 Oct 2007 at 15:11 - 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferret
A fair thought and to be honest, a good idea. It's not about the difficulty, but the time, especially if you only have a few free hours a day to play.

Much like Luxon and Kurzick, the Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Dwarf and Vanguard Titles should be account based...there is only SO much grind one person can take.

/signed
What great logic someone has limited playing time so make the titles account based.
Ok suppose I only have time to play 1 hour a month can we just roll the whole game down to say 6 missions then I can finish everything in 6 months.
Ok that's a mad idea but I am getting mad at a lot of the posts here.

I do not want to do any of the ridiculous "to me" grinding quests" I do not want sweet tooth drunkenness or any of them.
I am not arguing for me I am arguing for a principle.
That to get what you want you are willing to take away from others.

Its a game some people will have more time others more skill or luck or friends etc.
You want to bring the whole game down to make it work for you lets face it you want this so every character you run can max all the titles.

Be honest that is it, you resent those who play all the hours of the day and night and come out in your opinion ahead of you.
So you have to set it up so that you can do the same.
Then someone with even less time will want the rest altering.

be an adult not a kidult play the game fairly and if you dont want to grind then don't.

Snow Bunny

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Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

09 Oct 2007 at 15:45 - 77
Uh huh...

No.

Your characters haven't done the work.

Maybe in the case of the EotN faction titles, sure.

But any of the others no.

Why?

BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GOTTEN THE TITLE ON THOSE CHARACTERS.

o dam, i'm so leet, i have koabd on 6 chars yo, how 'bout u, noob?

/notsigned.

BlackSephir

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A/N

09 Oct 2007 at 16:50 - 78
That's funny, my lvl 5 wammo hasn't done any work either and he's glad, hero and friend of kurzicks and luxons
Seems like your logic is flawed

OH WAIT WUT LOGICZ!

ValaOfTheFens

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09 Oct 2007 at 17:30 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Yes, its quickly obtained for one character. But your other characters require you to go grind them again. And I haven't seen any of the grind areas that require much in the way of skill, they just require you to have plenty of time to grind them. In fact, I doubt this change would make obtaining the titles for your first character to obtain them much quicker.
There is no required grind in GW except the SS title track and in a small way the Kurzick/Luxon track. You don't have to get a really high ranking in any title track to advance the plotlines of any game. I think ANet needs to either increase the faction rewards for the Luxon quests or add a new one so you can get 10k factions w/o ABing, getting a priests blessing, or doing those long, boring repeatable quests.

I think some people are missing the point of titles. Titles are about individual accomplishments. The Kurzick/Luxon titles are account-wide b/c they emcompass more than just the PvE aspect of the game. Should a perma Pre toon be able to display Holy Lightbringer when they've never been to Elona? Should a toon who's died over 1,000 times be able to display Legendary Survivor? Should an Elonian or Canthan toon be able to display Legendary Defender of Ascalon when they arrived years after the Searing? The answer is no.

BlackSephir

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A/N

09 Oct 2007 at 17:53 - 80
I think you're missing the point of GW, when it was supposed to be skill over time.
Wanna example? Let's say you want Ebon Vanguard armor. You need 26k. You do all quests, dungeons and you'll be r3, r4 in best case. So what do you do to get to R5? That's right, grind. Now you're probably going to jump out with retarded 'grind is optional'. But guess what? If you don't want to grind, you're missing out the GWEN content. If you want that armor you HAVE to grind.

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Should a perma Pre toon be able to display Holy Lightbringer when they've never been to Elona?
Should lvl 1 warrior in pre be able to display R12 hero when he's never been to HA?
Should some Dervish be able to display Ally of the Luxons when he's never been to Cantha?
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Should a toon who's died over 1,000 times be able to display Legendary Survivor?
Which part of 'grind-based' you don't understand? AFAIK survivor isn't grind-based.