Taxi'ing to Duncan (Slaver's Exile) needs to be stopped
arbiter
duncan makes oynx farmable, and the most this run does is lower the oynx prices. Other than that its kinda a cheap way to get money and anet will probably nerf it pretty soon
Darkfoxx
I agree with the OP.
This elite mission should not be taxi-able. This is just another way for people to overfarm an area and ruin it for other people. My guild and I have been working at completing this mission boss by boss, the way you're suppose to do it.
And if you do it the right way, you get 7 chest drops, compared to 2 and the armor drop. I swear there are people who play this game that really couldn't give a damn whether they have fun or not. My guild and I play this game to have fun, not to consistantly farm an area just to say we have alot of wealth in game.
It's sad that Anet has to nerf things like this because some bad apples always find a way to exploit something that shouldn't be exploited.
This elite mission should not be taxi-able. This is just another way for people to overfarm an area and ruin it for other people. My guild and I have been working at completing this mission boss by boss, the way you're suppose to do it.
And if you do it the right way, you get 7 chest drops, compared to 2 and the armor drop. I swear there are people who play this game that really couldn't give a damn whether they have fun or not. My guild and I play this game to have fun, not to consistantly farm an area just to say we have alot of wealth in game.
It's sad that Anet has to nerf things like this because some bad apples always find a way to exploit something that shouldn't be exploited.
allience
taxi to duncan is the best thing in GW:EN imo. if u don't like it, just do the full quest and let other ppl have their fun. it's the only dungeon that has a decent reward so stop whining.
Engel the Fallen
The bug is not why people want this closed. The issue is that you can repeatedly and easily do Duncan and get his rewards from the chest. I doubt anyone cares that other bosses are credited if you kill Duncan, or about the quest reward itself. Using the bug to hide behind is where people can make their argument.
And yeah I got no profit off this myself eitherway. After the rape I got trying to do this legit, the other bosses will suffer when I get my build down for it. For me, why do one reward, when the dungeon itself offers much more as a whole. Also it will save me pugging with idiots and leetists who I will need to finish this after the runner leaves.
And yeah I got no profit off this myself eitherway. After the rape I got trying to do this legit, the other bosses will suffer when I get my build down for it. For me, why do one reward, when the dungeon itself offers much more as a whole. Also it will save me pugging with idiots and leetists who I will need to finish this after the runner leaves.
Mordakai
The question is: Is it an exploit or not? Answer truthfully.
Then the next question is: Will Anet consider it a bannable exploit?
Then the next question is: Will Anet consider it a bannable exploit?
korcan
if you havent killed a single boss but get credit for the entire quest after killing only duncan, its definitely a bug.
but ferrying people directly to duncan for looting may or may not be a bug. it actually reminds me of people ferrying others to the docks for max armor in kamadan. im sure anet didnt intend for it to be that way but they havent changed it. guess well just have to wait and see.
but ferrying people directly to duncan for looting may or may not be a bug. it actually reminds me of people ferrying others to the docks for max armor in kamadan. im sure anet didnt intend for it to be that way but they havent changed it. guess well just have to wait and see.
EternalTempest
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Originally Posted by korcan
if you havent killed a single boss but get credit for the entire quest after killing only duncan, its definitely a bug.
but ferrying people directly to duncan for looting may or may not be a bug. it actually reminds me of people ferrying others to the docks for max armor in kamadan. im sure anet didnt intend for it to be that way but they havent changed it. guess well just have to wait and see. Same thing goes with the bugged guild ambasdor that allows you to Lions Arch bypassing the Nightfal -> Triya Quest. And they have people ripping ppl off on it.
but ferrying people directly to duncan for looting may or may not be a bug. it actually reminds me of people ferrying others to the docks for max armor in kamadan. im sure anet didnt intend for it to be that way but they havent changed it. guess well just have to wait and see. Same thing goes with the bugged guild ambasdor that allows you to Lions Arch bypassing the Nightfal -> Triya Quest. And they have people ripping ppl off on it.
payne
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
You should care because 20k an hour will lead to an overfarming and an influx of gold (read inflation) if it isn't stoped.
nothin nothin..but 20k per hour is nothing special. I can get around 50k per hour excluding my running service (which you've probaly seen) its easier to farm a boss or do say a vanquish or chest runs...much more likely to make a far greater sum then 20k for completeing a dungeon :P just my thoughts !
Charr
I have done Duncan 2 times so far, and both times I have done all four bosses before confronting him, and now why should some guy who just payed a runner to run him to Duncan get the same reward as I?
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by allience
taxi to duncan is the best thing in GW:EN imo. if u don't like it, just do the full quest and let other ppl have their fun. it's the only dungeon that has a decent reward so stop whining.
And rewards should be worked for, not handed to you.
AlienFromBeyond
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Originally Posted by Charr
I have done Duncan 2 times so far, and both times I have done all four bosses before confronting him, and now why should some guy who just payed a runner to run him to Duncan get the same reward as I?
Technically he isn't because you got an extra 4 chest drops from taking out the other bosses.
Omega X
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
The question is: Is it an exploit or not? Answer truthfully.
Then the next question is: Will Anet consider it a bannable exploit? I would say, No and No.
No, its a bug not necessarily an exploit. Its simply a bug where a user could finish the thing without beating the other bosses first.
AND I say No again because its not monumental. Its nothing like the dupe exploit which artificially created items, could have been pretty devastating if gotten out of hand.
Then the next question is: Will Anet consider it a bannable exploit? I would say, No and No.
No, its a bug not necessarily an exploit. Its simply a bug where a user could finish the thing without beating the other bosses first.
AND I say No again because its not monumental. Its nothing like the dupe exploit which artificially created items, could have been pretty devastating if gotten out of hand.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by korcan
but ferrying people directly to duncan for looting may or may not be a bug. it actually reminds me of people ferrying others to the docks for max armor in kamadan. im sure anet didnt intend for it to be that way but they havent changed it. guess well just have to wait and see.
But this is the whole purpose of doing the dungeon. Would anyone waste there time doing Foundry of Failed Creations in DoA if they could just skip straight to Mallyx? If the rewards become overfarmed there is little reason to do it. Other dungeons are just as fun.
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Players can discover bugs/loopholes also thats why people make these topics. I got shit drops from Deep chest also x100 "i shit you not" its all about luck. The mission has a simmilar build as DoA so the requirments should be equal imho.|
Technically he isn't because you got an extra 4 chest drops from taking out the other bosses
. True, but its not far off. The other chests drop 1 thing each... more often than not some crappy gold. Duncans chest drops 3 things or much greater value. His zone is also quite a short 1 in comparison, so you could probably do his quest using a runner 3 or 4 times before the person doing all 5 bosses has even reached him.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Omega X
I would say, No and No.
No, its a bug not necessarily an exploit. Its simply a bug where a user could finish the thing without beating the other bosses first. AND I say No again because its not monumental. Its nothing like the dupe exploit which artificially created items, could have been pretty devastating if gotten out of hand. Well, didn't Anet ban some people for farming XP back when Doppleganger was repeatable, or was that an urban myth? No doubt it's probably not there by design (a bug); but we'll see if Anet fixes it or not. If not, then I guess Anet approves!
Evilsod
Anet wouldn't have bothered preventing you from accessing Duncans dungeon before you've killed the other 4 if it was suppose to happen. Thats also why they gave it a greater reward than the other chests.
It is been exploited, i really can't see it been bannable, but its definatly been exploited.
hallomik
This reminds me of the Urgoz Warren Vampire farm when HM was introduced. It is definitely not what Anet intended and should be fixed. Calling it an "exploit" or a bannable offense is a bit much. It just needs to be fixed.
People cried a river of tears when they fixed Urgoz. No doubt, we'll see a lot of "pre-searing cadets" threatening to not buy GW2 after this gets fixed.
jimmyboveto
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Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer
20k an hour is honestly nothing. it won't affect the economy that much dude. You can always do Glint's Challenge and sell the armor piece of 10k ea. It takes 20 minutes. That's 30k an hour. And if you're talking about the decrease value of onyx gemstone, I'm sure everyone would welcome it for the destroyer weapons
This guys right, i made around 100k at glint's in a few hours. However, the price of these armor remanents are going way down. I wouldn't worry too much, the 20k or 30k per hour won't last. I'm really enjoying it while it does though.
demonatx
Hey guys
I just wanted to comfort everyone who is posting in this forum. I know for a fact that Anet is well aware of this exploit and they are currently working on implementing a way to fix it.. It should be done sometime within the next few weeks. But being the original runner in the American District, I'm sure gonna miss the money..ah well CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by demonatx
Hey guys
I just wanted to comfort everyone who is posting in this forum. I know for a fact that Anet is well aware of this exploit and they are currently working on implementing a way to fix it.. It should be done sometime within the next few weeks. But being the original runner in the American District, I'm sure gonna miss the money..ah well I imagine. One of the guys throwing out running invites was there all day yesterday. He came forward saying he had amde over 1 mil yesterday running people (was there in morning and still there running people last night). I'm guessing he had to stop to exchange for ecto or something at that point. The Visitor
guys the duncan chest is the only decent on all GWEN, why u want nerf it? U want always do a dungeon with a fantastic reward like a battlepick req 13?
demonatx
actually it was more like only half a mil lmao
/Wont Dies This Time jamal
I'm in definate agreement that this needs to be fixed, and for more than the its an exploit or prices line. I'm ussually logged on later at night than most of my guildies due to time-zone difference except on weekends. So that 5 days were i would normally PUG this dungeon, and was with great succsess. Then thanks to the taxis groups dryed up fast like. Only 7 people in a group, least vauble person removed, aka the 3rd ele normally me as i wait for a group to get going before i join. So even if i get into a group before its filled up, i have to pay for the right to be in this party? thats not cool at all.
Gli
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Originally Posted by The Visitor
guys the duncan chest is the only decent on all GWEN, why u want nerf it? U want always do a dungeon with a fantastic reward like a battlepick req 13?
I don't think anyone here wants to nerf the chest.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by demonatx
actually it was more like only half a mil lmao
/Wont Dies This Time Lol, makes me wonder why you didn't charge more. The quest reward is a definate 2.75k. Mister O
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Originally Posted by The Visitor
guys the duncan chest is the only decent on all GWEN, why u want nerf it? U want always do a dungeon with a fantastic reward like a battlepick req 13?
We don't want to nerf it, but we want to fix the 'exploit'
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by demonatx
actually it was more like only half a mil lmao
/Wont Dies This Time lol nice.. It was actually another runner that was in there (he was a necro) and can't state his name because of forum rules. 1/2 mil, 1 mill, it's still a butt-ton more than I have lol :-)
cthulhu reborn
Considering this was the only way to get the armour remnants and that most casual players may not be interested in doing elite quests to get the armour remnants it is perhaps good they are becoming more common. But to say that this is the way it should be achieved is another thing.
Zunzun
Duncan's chest gives 3 items because you're supposed to kill the other bosses before opening it. It's a reward for the whole dungeon, just as the quest. If one gets the chest + the quest reward without defeating any of the other bosses, then it's an exploit.
Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
Quote: Considering this was the only way to get the armour remnants and that most casual players may not be interested in doing elite quests to get the armour remnants it is perhaps good they are becoming more common. But to say that this is the way it should be achieved is another thing.
Armor remnants are supposed to be a reward for completing the elite mission. If anyone can get some for 5k, they're not a reward anymore.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
No this will ruin the entire point of going to this dungeon. The point was the reward at the end was worth doing it for. If this keeps up before the end of the month Deldrimor Armour Remnants will be worthless because everyone and there dog will have 10 heroes in that armour (if they so desire), and Onyx Gemstones will be more worthless than Diamonds are now are because they only have 1 use and drop regularly from Duncans chest.
It spoils this dungeon... just like the ability to skip all 4 areas of DoA and just go straight to Mallyx would've that (DoA sucked anyway but its the same concept). Overfarming never helped anyone. Watching the prices come down for everything is welcome in my eyes. There is no reason to expect or keep certain things artficially high. As for the service, they will fix it eventually, but in the mean time, let them have thier fun. As with anything it is supply and demand. Remember, you are not entitled to get high prices on things. If it makes your stuff worthless, oh well. I have watched things over the years go up and down. You will never get me to agree with high prices as an argument. Please remember... I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me. lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Zunzun
Duncan's chest gives 3 items because you're supposed to kill the other bosses before opening it. It's a reward for the whole dungeon, just as the quest. If one gets the chest + the quest reward without defeating any of the other bosses, then it's an exploit.
Armor remnants are supposed to be a reward for completing the elite mission. If anyone can get some for 5k, they're not a reward anymore. So, easy answer then. Make it so you can't sell it. LOL (joking) The ones complaining are the ones that want the high prices. Please remember... I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
Lightwave
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Originally Posted by Gli
The "bug" is that it gives you credit for the other bosses. If you didn't kill them, there shouldn't be a reward for killing them. Everything else is just mincing useless words. QFT. Whether skipping the other bosses (if u didn't get the reward for the quest) is a feature or an exploit is another matter.
Sarevok Thordin
Fix the bug, Duncan's chest isn't to be given to you or anyone else on a silver platter.
VorianVader
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
I always preferred the Honored Matres over the Bene Gesserit but this was a catchy phrase!
Zunzun
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
So, easy answer then. Make it so you can't sell it. LOL (joking)
The ones complaining are the ones that want the high prices. Please remember... I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me. I really don't care about prices for thoses items. I used most of the remnants I got on my heroes, and used onyxes to craft weapons. If prices go down, that's because the items are easy to get. If these items become harder to get, prices will raise, but people selling them won't make more money. And grinding is actually killing only Duncan without killing the other bosses. Cleaning the whole dungeon is called "playing".
Pwny Ride
Well i'm off the abuse this while i can. Toodles.
CHunterX
Currently a runner myself, I wouldn't care if they nerfed the ability to be ran to the gate. But honestly, if they testers didn't catch this GIGANTIC loop hole, it almost seems they left it in intentionally. However, if they were to make it that the whole party had to complete the dungeons, very few players would bother. I don't want to see this turn into another DoA. The drops from the chest just aren't good. Last time I actually fought Duncan I got a req. 13 Spear, I shit you not. If they force entire parties to complete it, they better up the rewards for it.
EDIT: I agree, the quest should not credit you with completing the other bosses. Still, running isn't that big of a deal seeing the rewards from that chest. lord dragon
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
Currently a runner myself, I wouldn't care if they nerfed the ability to be ran to the gate. But honestly, if they testers didn't catch this GIGANTIC loop hole, it almost seems they left it in intentionally. However, if they were to make it that the whole party had to complete the dungeons, very few players would bother. I don't want to see this turn into another DoA. The drops from the chest just aren't good. Last time I actually fought Duncan I got a req. 13 Spear, I shit you not. If they force entire parties to complete it, they better up the rewards for it.
EDIT: I agree, the quest should not credit you with completing the other bosses. Still, running isn't that big of a deal seeing the rewards from that chest. I agree with ya! Next they are gonna start yelling that the runners to droks is unfair, the runners to consulate docks is unfair. If someone found a way to do it, great. I have no issue with people getting the stuff they want. Gwen has enough grind already. No need to add more Please remember... I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
Evilsod
What do you mean they'd better up the rewards for it? Skipping to Duncan gives you 3 items from his chest in an incredibly easy fight that an SV hero can win for you ALONE. Compared to Frostmaw this is a godsend, it takes longer than 30-50 minutes to go through Frostmaw (safely) to get 2 items as a reward, 1 of which is always a Diamond if i recall. This chest IS the upped reward.
Get a decent team and go through all 4 areas, takes ~3 hours, not even close to DoA. If that doesn't suit you, go through each seperately when you have the time. If you call this dungeon a grind then why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you even playing GWEN. Max Ebon Vanguard points is a grind, this is a repeatable quest objective with a reasonable reward that NOBODY is making you do. The fact that you BOUGHT GWEN pretty much says you wanted to do dungeons in the first place. Quote:
But honestly, if they testers didn't catch this GIGANTIC loop hole
We ARE the testers! Because the ones they employ do a shit job. Wasn't the duping exploit incredibly similar to exploits in Diablo2 and they missed that.
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Uber Mass
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EDIT: I agree, the quest should not credit you with completing the other bosses. Still, running isn't that big of a deal seeing the rewards from that chest. |
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
I agree with ya!
Next they are gonna start yelling that the runners to droks is unfair, the runners to consulate docks is unfair. If someone found a way to do it, great. I have no issue with people getting the stuff they want. Gwen has enough grind already. No need to add more Please remember... I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me. Running to droks and skipping 3/4th of an elite mission/dungeon is a big difference imho. Gwen has some "title" grind you choose to do it or not to do it thats your own choice. Doing an elite mission with friends/guildies/pugs doesnt suit as grind in my dictionairy....
Sword Liger
It's about time these dungeons dropped some "REAL" money. I honestly don't care. We bought GWEN, Anet screwed us over on most of the "NEW" armour *cough* BS *cough* so I shall class this as a repayment to spend on some worthy armour like fow and a big shiney hammer.
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