W/Me Uw Solo V2 [axe+sword] - Mass Aggro Fun (12-15min Run)
frazle
Which is better/faster, this build or the ritualist 330hp build?
fujin
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Originally Posted by frazle
Which is better/faster, this build or the ritualist 330hp build?
The 330HP build is intended to be used in HM, which is much more punishing, and one screwup could cost you the whole run. You probably can't do UW in Normal Mode with the 330HP because the foes don't hit hard enough for Spirit Bond to trigger. e.g. Constantly hitting 50 Damage, which isn't enough for SB to trigger, and you don't have VwK up. It's actually going to be 33 though, since you've got Protective Spirit, but they do hit quite fast since they Enchant themselves, causing Zealot's Fire to trigger.
This build clears the Ice Wastes of Smite Crawlers fast, which is a good thing because it means you get more and more runs + Ecto.
So in the end I guess its....
330HP UW in HM, provided that you don't suck at using the build, and you want things other than Ectos, since their drop rates don't change.
Otherwise this build for more efficiency/safety.
This build clears the Ice Wastes of Smite Crawlers fast, which is a good thing because it means you get more and more runs + Ecto.
So in the end I guess its....
330HP UW in HM, provided that you don't suck at using the build, and you want things other than Ectos, since their drop rates don't change.
Otherwise this build for more efficiency/safety.
Friar Khan
Correct me if I'm wrong but where it's specified to use a "Icy Axe/Sword of Shelter" it doesn't need to be icy right? So long as it isn't vamp or zealous it will suit its function fine right?
If the specifics of my plan are in any way helpful to answering my question, I'm planning on using the axe build, but doing the running with my zodiac sword which I will slap the needed mod(s) on. My sword has no damage bonus and I've only kept it around for looks up until now. It seems like I'll be fine if I only put a shelter mod on it since it seems that I won't be using it for damage at all.
My apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere in the thread. The thread has gotten fairly long already!
If the specifics of my plan are in any way helpful to answering my question, I'm planning on using the axe build, but doing the running with my zodiac sword which I will slap the needed mod(s) on. My sword has no damage bonus and I've only kept it around for looks up until now. It seems like I'll be fine if I only put a shelter mod on it since it seems that I won't be using it for damage at all.
My apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere in the thread. The thread has gotten fairly long already!
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by Friar Khan
Correct me if I'm wrong but where it's specified to use a "Icy Axe/Sword of Shelter" it doesn't need to be icy right? So long as it isn't vamp or zealous it will suit its function fine right?
If the specifics of my plan are in any way helpful to answering my question, I'm planning on using the axe build, but doing the running with my zodiac sword which I will slap the needed mod(s) on. My sword has no damage bonus and I've only kept it around for looks up until now. It seems like I'll be fine if I only put a shelter mod on it since it seems that I won't be using it for damage at all.
My apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere in the thread. The thread has gotten fairly long already! The zealous axe/sword of enchanting is needed for sure but you could realy do with an elemental axe/sword of shelter for killing the graspings at the start and gathering with physical resistance so you take less dmg and have 2 pips, the zealous can then be used just for killing smites.
If the specifics of my plan are in any way helpful to answering my question, I'm planning on using the axe build, but doing the running with my zodiac sword which I will slap the needed mod(s) on. My sword has no damage bonus and I've only kept it around for looks up until now. It seems like I'll be fine if I only put a shelter mod on it since it seems that I won't be using it for damage at all.
My apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere in the thread. The thread has gotten fairly long already! The zealous axe/sword of enchanting is needed for sure but you could realy do with an elemental axe/sword of shelter for killing the graspings at the start and gathering with physical resistance so you take less dmg and have 2 pips, the zealous can then be used just for killing smites.
Friar Khan
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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
The zealous axe/sword of enchanting is needed for sure but you could realy do with an elemental axe/sword of shelter for killing the graspings at the start and gathering with physical resistance so you take less dmg and have 2 pips, the zealous can then be used just for killing smites.
Ok, that explains it. I didn't realize it was preferrable to use the Icy axe vs the graspings rather than the zealous.
Thank you.
Thank you.
MBP
Looks like fun...would an icy axe with +5 energy, 20% enchanting work?
also do you need maxed sunspear or will a lvl 8 be enough damage for whirlwind?
go Dragonforce btw
also do you need maxed sunspear or will a lvl 8 be enough damage for whirlwind?
go Dragonforce btw
fujin
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Originally Posted by MBP
Looks like fun...would an icy axe with +5 energy, 20% enchanting work?
also do you need maxed sunspear or will a lvl 8 be enough damage for whirlwind?
go Dragonforce btw 15% Stance is a help imo, but not necessary, so I think it'll work.
R8 Sunspear is more than enough, in fact, I'm only rank 5!
also do you need maxed sunspear or will a lvl 8 be enough damage for whirlwind?
go Dragonforce btw 15% Stance is a help imo, but not necessary, so I think it'll work.
R8 Sunspear is more than enough, in fact, I'm only rank 5!
dont feel no pain
im rank 6...... XD so yeah 8 is good
hehe yeah dragonforce ftw!
hehe yeah dragonforce ftw!
Nimrod EX
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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
I also have done a run with pure sword one on one fast killing 1 at a time to gain all drops, i got alot more crappy stuff, but around the same ectos. so this means that: this run does not lower ecto/golds/key drops, just crappy drops
but dude, maybe u just got lucky, because it is 100% known, that killing everything at the same time DOES reduce drop rates of EVERYTHING (ectos,gold,goldS, whatever).
blackknight1337
edit: btw thanks to dont feel no pain for the build, i've been having a lot of fun with it lately
double edit:: removed the rest of my post lol
double edit:: removed the rest of my post lol
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by Nimrod EX
but dude, maybe u just got lucky, because it is 100% known, that killing everything at the same time DOES reduce drop rates of EVERYTHING (ectos,gold,goldS, whatever).
im not saying that from 1 or 2 runs but 100's of running with all types of tests, i just find you get the same ecto, golds, and scrolls + keys, I made a post in riverside a week ago and everyone said they had the same experience.
cant know for sure, but this little catch in net dropping has been proved.
im not saying that from 1 or 2 runs but 100's of running with all types of tests, i just find you get the same ecto, golds, and scrolls + keys, I made a post in riverside a week ago and everyone said they had the same experience.cant know for sure, but this little catch in net dropping has been proved.
Nimrod EX
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Originally Posted by blackknight1337
actually Nimrod, i hate to break your bubble here, but unless someone here works for anet and actually has knowledge of drop rates, farm codes, or the like, there is NO 100% known of anything related to drop rate, because anet has not released that information to us.
and one other thing, when you have done this run as much as dont feel no pain has, and have as much experience in the UW with ecto drop rates, then you might have some room to talk down to him about what his drops are like.
edit: btw thanks to dont feel no pain for the build, i've been having a lot of fun with it lately whoaa dude chill out, first of all im not "talking down to him" about his drops, and i know he has more experience in this than i am, and (like ive said in my other posts) this build rocks. that much i know :P im just the curious and doubtfull one who asks pestering questions thats all, and there is 100% because in the april 19th update anet introduced loot scaling and something (i think its called) DPS, it was meant to stop extreme mass aggro farming (such as this), there is a caluclator that calculates how much damage was inflicted this second, if it goes above the limit, drops for that mob are shut down. so only thing i said was ask if he is SURE that it does not effect ecto's. thats it dude :P no need ot get all heeeeaaated upp :P
and one other thing, when you have done this run as much as dont feel no pain has, and have as much experience in the UW with ecto drop rates, then you might have some room to talk down to him about what his drops are like.
edit: btw thanks to dont feel no pain for the build, i've been having a lot of fun with it lately whoaa dude chill out, first of all im not "talking down to him" about his drops, and i know he has more experience in this than i am, and (like ive said in my other posts) this build rocks. that much i know :P im just the curious and doubtfull one who asks pestering questions thats all, and there is 100% because in the april 19th update anet introduced loot scaling and something (i think its called) DPS, it was meant to stop extreme mass aggro farming (such as this), there is a caluclator that calculates how much damage was inflicted this second, if it goes above the limit, drops for that mob are shut down. so only thing i said was ask if he is SURE that it does not effect ecto's. thats it dude :P no need ot get all heeeeaaated upp :P
dont feel no pain
hehehe im not realy all that experianced, i need critics to work on new builds:
Flail - Keen Chop - Whriling Axe - I am the strongest - 2x visage - dolyak - enraging charge.
1 on 1 uber fast killing uw. if you want fodder or self testing, runs take around 17-22min like this.
Flail - Keen Chop - Whriling Axe - I am the strongest - 2x visage - dolyak - enraging charge.
1 on 1 uber fast killing uw. if you want fodder or self testing, runs take around 17-22min like this.
blackknight1337
@ nimrod: sorry, every once in a while i'm a bit flaming, my apologies for what i said
to my knowledge Loot scaling was the only thing that anet acknowledged doing in that update, besides supposedly removing the farm code.
Loot scaling to me seems to be nothing more than a limiter on mass aggro farming (this, or anything that multiple enemies die in a few seconds of each other) cutting drops down, if you don't farm mass aggro loot scaling practically doesn't exist. For instance, farming with SV and killing single targets, you get drops from pretty much everything.
I still don't believe that anet fully removed all farm code from the game, based on my fairly extensive farming runs since loot scaling, and the runs of others that i've discussed it with.
As far as ectos and this build vs vwk(single groups only), i've seen zero difference, 1-3 ectos per full run, and occasionally no ecto for a run.
to my knowledge Loot scaling was the only thing that anet acknowledged doing in that update, besides supposedly removing the farm code.
Loot scaling to me seems to be nothing more than a limiter on mass aggro farming (this, or anything that multiple enemies die in a few seconds of each other) cutting drops down, if you don't farm mass aggro loot scaling practically doesn't exist. For instance, farming with SV and killing single targets, you get drops from pretty much everything.
I still don't believe that anet fully removed all farm code from the game, based on my fairly extensive farming runs since loot scaling, and the runs of others that i've discussed it with.
As far as ectos and this build vs vwk(single groups only), i've seen zero difference, 1-3 ectos per full run, and occasionally no ecto for a run.
Nimrod EX
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Originally Posted by blackknight1337
@ nimrod: sorry, every once in a while i'm a bit flaming, my apologies for what i said
to my knowledge Loot scaling was the only thing that anet acknowledged doing in that update, besides supposedly removing the farm code.
Loot scaling to me seems to be nothing more than a limiter on mass aggro farming (this, or anything that multiple enemies die in a few seconds of each other) cutting drops down, if you don't farm mass aggro loot scaling practically doesn't exist. For instance, farming with SV and killing single targets, you get drops from pretty much everything.
I still don't believe that anet fully removed all farm code from the game, based on my fairly extensive farming runs since loot scaling, and the runs of others that i've discussed it with.
As far as ectos and this build vs vwk(single groups only), i've seen zero difference, 1-3 ectos per full run, and occasionally no ecto for a run. haha ok thanks for the info! and no need to apologize :P i flame for fun too sometimes
to my knowledge Loot scaling was the only thing that anet acknowledged doing in that update, besides supposedly removing the farm code.
Loot scaling to me seems to be nothing more than a limiter on mass aggro farming (this, or anything that multiple enemies die in a few seconds of each other) cutting drops down, if you don't farm mass aggro loot scaling practically doesn't exist. For instance, farming with SV and killing single targets, you get drops from pretty much everything.
I still don't believe that anet fully removed all farm code from the game, based on my fairly extensive farming runs since loot scaling, and the runs of others that i've discussed it with.
As far as ectos and this build vs vwk(single groups only), i've seen zero difference, 1-3 ectos per full run, and occasionally no ecto for a run. haha ok
thanks for the info! and no need to apologize :P i flame for fun too sometimes
dont feel no pain
and all hug.. back to topic! anybody got any ideas for pve skills... like "i am the strongest" XD
Hott Bill
I prefer this build (axe) to the balthazar dervish farmer
MBP
how do you keep the bladed aataxe from aggroing in the start chamber? everytime i've tried to gather up the graspings...the aataxe always kill me..
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by MBP
how do you keep the bladed aataxe from aggroing in the start chamber? everytime i've tried to gather up the graspings...the aataxe always kill me..
Enraging Charge - the aaxte stop, the graspings chase you 
MBP
so save the charge for when u get them in your aggro?
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by MBP
so save the charge for when u get them in your aggro?
agro - charge - kill
blackknight1337
yeah i'm using the cheap way atm, have some birthday cupcakes from the event so i just use one of them
when you pull the other 2 groups, you have to go a little back and break aggro, but come back a little when you have, otherwise you tend to lose one of the groups of graspings
tis fun aggroing smites when you have permanent run boost though, i just walk backwards, works fine
3 ecto first run this morning, 2 in another, 3 runs without
when you pull the other 2 groups, you have to go a little back and break aggro, but come back a little when you have, otherwise you tend to lose one of the groups of graspings
tis fun aggroing smites when you have permanent run boost though, i just walk backwards, works fine
3 ecto first run this morning, 2 in another, 3 runs without
angmar_nite
I can take the graspings ok now, but how much damage should the smites be doing to me? a group of 4 takes me down pretty fast. WITHOUT SoJ. What's the skill order once you aggro?
dont feel no pain
Agro with physical resistance on and your + 7 armor vs physical sword/axe.
Stop in safe place and try to have 15 energy when you stop then chnge to zealous axe/sword of enchanting.
Visage -> Wait 2 seconds ->
cyclone axe -> whirling attack -> Triple Chop -> Whriling attack -> cyclone -> Whirling attack -> Visage -> cyclone axe -> whirling attack -> Triple Chop -> Whriling attack -> cyclone -> Whirling attack -> Visage -> cyclone axe -> whirling attack -> Triple Chop -> Whriling attack -> cyclone -> Whirling attack -> they should be dead now.
that would usuualy take on a group over 6 smites around 20 seconds to kill off if done right, also you can renew physical resistance while doing you attack combos easily becauase the energy gain can be insane.
Stop in safe place and try to have 15 energy when you stop then chnge to zealous axe/sword of enchanting.
Visage -> Wait 2 seconds ->
cyclone axe -> whirling attack -> Triple Chop -> Whriling attack -> cyclone -> Whirling attack -> Visage -> cyclone axe -> whirling attack -> Triple Chop -> Whriling attack -> cyclone -> Whirling attack -> Visage -> cyclone axe -> whirling attack -> Triple Chop -> Whriling attack -> cyclone -> Whirling attack -> they should be dead now.
that would usuualy take on a group over 6 smites around 20 seconds to kill off if done right, also you can renew physical resistance while doing you attack combos easily becauase the energy gain can be insane.
angmar_nite
Wait, here's my gear:
Only one sword: Zealous 15^50 swordsmanship +
Armor is minor tactics rune, tactics helm, strength minor, vigor major, and absoption on Legs. Then I have all + energy insignias, except for a lieutenants on the chest piece. Lastly, my shield is Geoffer's Bulwark.
My skillbar is the exact same as your's except for sun and moon slash, which I've replaced with lions comfort.
I'm trying to save up for a icy axe of shelter for the graspings and the smites and a zealous axe of enchanting.
Now I know, that's not all the gear I SHOULD have... but what do I need to do? I'm also trying to get my hands on arrahhshi's aegis, which seems to fit the shield discreption quite adequately.
Only one sword: Zealous 15^50 swordsmanship +
Armor is minor tactics rune, tactics helm, strength minor, vigor major, and absoption on Legs. Then I have all + energy insignias, except for a lieutenants on the chest piece. Lastly, my shield is Geoffer's Bulwark.
My skillbar is the exact same as your's except for sun and moon slash, which I've replaced with lions comfort.
I'm trying to save up for a icy axe of shelter for the graspings and the smites and a zealous axe of enchanting.
Now I know, that's not all the gear I SHOULD have... but what do I need to do? I'm also trying to get my hands on arrahhshi's aegis, which seems to fit the shield discreption quite adequately.
blackknight1337
thats why your dying so fast
the gear for this run is exact, you MUST have knights insignia on your armor, this and the shield turn 4's and 7's into 0's, with 3's for critical hits
and why in hell do you have lieutenants on the chest piece, thats -20 armor and you get hit most in the chest by far
you pretty much have no choice but to run the exact equipment he posted, otherwise you will never be able to run the axe version, i'm not 100% on the sword cause i've never used that build
done right the axe build can take out 20 smites at once, i've seen some beautiful spawns in UW lately that you can aggro 30 or more at once, that might be a little much though, as you don't have a self heal
also, whats the deal with way more smite groups that try to kill everything else, i've been seeing 2 and 3 fights in UW most times lately, used to be rare to see one
oh yeah and i freaking hate the coldfire glitch that sticks that patrol right in the entrance to other half of smites, thats cost me a couple runs as well
the gear for this run is exact, you MUST have knights insignia on your armor, this and the shield turn 4's and 7's into 0's, with 3's for critical hits
and why in hell do you have lieutenants on the chest piece, thats -20 armor and you get hit most in the chest by far
you pretty much have no choice but to run the exact equipment he posted, otherwise you will never be able to run the axe version, i'm not 100% on the sword cause i've never used that build
done right the axe build can take out 20 smites at once, i've seen some beautiful spawns in UW lately that you can aggro 30 or more at once, that might be a little much though, as you don't have a self heal
also, whats the deal with way more smite groups that try to kill everything else, i've been seeing 2 and 3 fights in UW most times lately, used to be rare to see one
oh yeah and i freaking hate the coldfire glitch that sticks that patrol right in the entrance to other half of smites, thats cost me a couple runs as well
angmar_nite
Well.. I'm on the axe build now, with all the right armor and weapons... Except the goddamn shield. Grrr. I can manage about 5 smites...
dont feel no pain
basically yeah you need knights insignia's + and -2 (stance) sheild + suprior absorbtion. and a +7 weapon for gathering.
T1Cybernetic
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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
Im using the sword version and it's working fine, thanks.Dragonforce = win
angmar_nite
Yay got my first ecto ever!
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Yay got my first ecto ever!
Gratz 
Gratz
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by T1Cybernetic
Im using the sword version and it's working fine, thanks.Dragonforce = win
yeah sword is easiest =] hehe yeah dragonforce ftw
angmar_nite
Hey, I saw you switching your armor half way through. What was that about?
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Hey, I saw you switching your armor half way through. What was that about?
I accidenty had the wrong armor on.... and i did it wrong even after i changed it haha so yeah i was doing less dmg than i should have.
I accidenty had the wrong armor on.... and i did it wrong even after i changed it haha so yeah i was doing less dmg than i should have.
Mindcrime
I just wanted to drop by and say that your build (dont feel no pain) works top notch. I were able to farm up to 54 ectos in 7 days, farming 2 hours per day. Thanks!
Arkantos
The axe build is great, really fast. I'm happy that my new -2/-2 shield has a use.
dont feel no pain
glad to hear some nice comments ^^ gg on the cto farm mindcrime ^^, and yeah -2/-2 ftw!
Dark Tykane
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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
glad to hear some nice comments ^^ gg on the cto farm mindcrime ^^, and yeah -2/-2 ftw!
I know this is not the price check forum but is it worth buying a -2/-2 shield for the build? Is the price so insane that it won't pay for itself eventually?
blackknight1337
imo its not worth the extra dough, it adds a bit more safety to the build as the smites will only hit you for 1 with criticals instead of 3. I'd point out though that I can easily take 20 smites with just -2 stance and kill them all off (though its rare to be able to get that many in one group). I've never died due to the fact that i didn't have a -2/-2 rather than a -2/45.
Graspings I don't really see the use being worth the plats as they will still do damage to you unless you use PR. The only problem i've run into with them is their insane rate of interruptions through bonettis, and the different mod isn't gonna make a difference.
In the end its up to you, whether or not its worth the 60-100k or so (just a guess here) for the extra bit. Keep in mind though higher req means you'll have that much less in weapon attribute, I run 15/9 while don't feel no pain runs 14/10 i believe, but the more you go down the less damage you do, and the longer the run can take. In the end if you have the shield great, if not i don't see it "paying" for itself.
Oh, and this is for the axe build, for sword it is entirely not worth it. If you die vs one group of smites with sword then you have issues. No way 3-5 smites should be killing you with -3s before you can kill them.
Anyway hope that helped you a bit.
Graspings I don't really see the use being worth the plats as they will still do damage to you unless you use PR. The only problem i've run into with them is their insane rate of interruptions through bonettis, and the different mod isn't gonna make a difference.
In the end its up to you, whether or not its worth the 60-100k or so (just a guess here) for the extra bit. Keep in mind though higher req means you'll have that much less in weapon attribute, I run 15/9 while don't feel no pain runs 14/10 i believe, but the more you go down the less damage you do, and the longer the run can take. In the end if you have the shield great, if not i don't see it "paying" for itself.
Oh, and this is for the axe build, for sword it is entirely not worth it. If you die vs one group of smites with sword then you have issues. No way 3-5 smites should be killing you with -3s before you can kill them.
Anyway hope that helped you a bit.
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane
I know this is not the price check forum but is it worth buying a -2/-2 shield for the build? Is the price so insane that it won't pay for itself eventually?
welll.... they're realy usual for other builds, but you would be paying something like 40-60k for a req 10/11 crap skin (strengh) but its not realy required, I often do runs with my 5k victo bulwak
yeah i run 14/10 because my sheild is req 10 XD or sometimes 15/9 when i use victo bulwak.
yeah i run 14/10 because my sheild is req 10 XD or sometimes 15/9 when i use victo bulwak.