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MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

28 Sep 2007 at 05:00 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

Ok, this Dishonorable shit is horrible.

Reasons why:
1, Bad people on your team - you can not leave.
2, Your team will obviously lose - you can not leave.
3, 10 Seconds of waiting at the end of every match - which you can not leave from.

So; if you also agree this system is terrible, do this:

Make a PvP Only Monk
Equip 5 Superior Runes
Run this bar: [Dishonor;OwUTEsGD3QkLBEAAAAAAAAA]

If enough people do this; clearly they need to have the report feature accept reports on people being terrible at this game.

i already started 55ing today to make my pt to ppl. lol, makes ppl so pissed, but at least it feels good to make them suffer TOO.

u can always feign being a stupid nub pver though =D. since half of the ppl in ra actually are...

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

28 Sep 2007 at 05:02 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManMadeGod

Players who leave a PvP match prematurely will receive 5 dishonor points.
If the match ends, you can leave.

gods frikkin ... man, thats the entire pt.

IF the match E N D S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sry for double posting, plz dont /report me =(

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

28 Sep 2007 at 05:05 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

So; if you also agree this system is terrible, do this:

Can't you think of anything more constructive and beneficial? It's a bit like saying "I don't like the voting system in my country so I'm going to spam them with this and that" ... do you think it's a mature behavior? Can't you put your creative thinking to work on how to correct the report feature? Propose corrections or additions?

Anyone on this thread should ask himself (I mean, past the 20s of "I feel that this /report feature going to turn bad" or the "this won't solve my problems and I don't care about the rest of the world" ...) what he can do to make this work, rather than what the community should do to make it fail.

I'm sure Anet's decision to introduce this feature has been difficult and thought out well, but then there's so much they can do to suggest to the community to self-moderate itself. One has the right to disagree, but one should wait until the feature is used to start demeaning this idea. The potential of this feature will only be unlocked by the community, so it's a huge test for us (well for you since I'm not PvPing yet

) and an answer to a concern expressed here many many times (it should be a lesson to those that believe that Anet is not listening ... but I digress).

The undead Mesmer

Delphian Scribe

Join Date: May 2005

Holland

No guild ;_;

N/Me

28 Sep 2007 at 05:09 - 85

Love the update not much of a pvp player so dont really care about that one thing

but yeah being able to get some extra bonuses even when rank 8+ is nice.

Great Job A-net

oh wait... about that HoS CR... did it enough times today to get some stuff for all my classes haha!

Midnight Harmony

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

South East England

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

E/Me

28 Sep 2007 at 05:11 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkGanni

Yay the 12yr old kids have a new toy to play with ingame you call them noob and: /report You called me noob I'll tell my internet mommy. As already been said it will be abused especially in PvE.

I concur, and now I'm going to have to be extra careful about what I say to people. Someone might be in a bad mood, not like the way you talk to them and then you get penalised. I only play PvE and this worries me, because so many immature teenagers play Guild Wars. The rules regarding this new emote need to be clearly stated.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

28 Sep 2007 at 05:16 - 87

You know, if you quit repetedly in RA then you desrve this seriously, grow up, it's called RA, not randomly quit every 5 seconds hoping for the perfect team arena. You get what you deserve.

trielementz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Spectra Sg [SpcA]

W/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 05:19 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoldyRiceFrenzy

gods frikkin ... man, thats the entire pt.

IF the match E N D S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sry for double posting, plz dont /report me =(

/resign and get team mates to do the same if it's really that obvious you won't win?

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

28 Sep 2007 at 05:32 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Nice update. This should help AB leeching, RA leavers and TA 4-monk griefers.

You can't report the other team

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

28 Sep 2007 at 05:35 - 90

Your too late BAKA anet i already exploited cold as ice bwahahaha!!!!!

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

28 Sep 2007 at 05:36 - 91

Actually there was mention of being able to report players that prolong the match for ever, so if you run into one of those invincible rangers or what ever that just keep avoiding everyone you can report them.

IZK

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

N/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 05:42 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

Ok, this Dishonorable shit is horrible.

Reasons why:
1, Bad people on your team - you can not leave.
2, Your team will obviously lose - you can not leave.
3, 10 Seconds of waiting at the end of every match - which you can not leave from.

They do this and abso-F U C King-lutely nothing about guild teams in RA (low level in particular, which I used to enjoy).

Now, I can handle the death-leveled pets and the max weapons/armor nonsense. But if you allow a group of four guildies to go up against a RANDOM group of players, the built team will get to suck on faction indefinitely. It completely ruins the experience for anyone new to the game and it's a goddamn nuisance to anyone wanting a remotely fair game.

How hard would it be to disallow players joining a game with the same guild tag in RA?! Ugh.

Horuku

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Colorado

Eva Champloo [EvaC]

W/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 05:43 - 93

This sucks. A lot. So here I am not knowing about this new update so I leave my team because the 4th didn't load. Now I'm stuck unable to play for over 60minutes? WHY AM I NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY A GAME I PAYED FOR?

This is ridiculous. I am not a leaver/griefer, so why am I being punished so HUGELY. This system is broken. What happens when I play my monk and I get stuck with 2 other or even 1 other monk? Then you're royally screwed. Either leave to get a real team or sit it out. If you leave, you can't play anymore! If you sit it out for 8 minutes, well obviously it's a big WASTE OF TIME.

Leavers were not that big of a problem. If it happend, you hit F12, log out, relog in and go on again. It really wasn't that big of a deal. It is the nature of random arenas. But now, if you have a really crappy team, you're stuck.

This on top of the Glad Point carebare BS. I was working my butt off to get glad rank 3, I was 15 points from it. So much frustration to get that high, and now its easier than stealing candy from a baby.

I feel like some freedom was taken away. If I have to leave really fast to do something and then I come back in like half an hour I'm effed. If I made a mistake on my skill/armor load out I'm EFFED. LEAVE THE CHOICE TO THE GAMER TO DO WHAT HE WANTS, BUT DO NOT PUNISH HIM.

Thanks for the slap in the face A-net, stop supporting the game now because all you're doing is ruining what *used* to be the best PvP game.

And btw, I have 1mil+ faction so I know what the feck I'm talking about.

EDIT: The time remaining instead of elapsed is the only good thing to come of this. I can't tell you how many games that have gone on for over an hour because of idiots running away.

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

28 Sep 2007 at 05:43 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veripare

/report X Ninja Killa X HE SHOT JOHN LENNON!!!1

...I really do think the report system won't last past the 30th IMO.

The abuse depends on how ANET takes action on a report. Is it immediate or is it done after a number of reports from others? Does it not make sense and should be ignored? Or is it genuine?

There are a lot of questions that should be answered about the feature. But making a spoof report might just get that person in trouble for abusing the system.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

28 Sep 2007 at 05:50 - 95

Uhhh genious least how I read that you shouldn't be banned for 60 minuets, only banned if you've left more then once. You need to quit twice and then it's a 10 minute ban first time.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

28 Sep 2007 at 05:52 - 96

Horuku:

Quote:

* Any account that has accumulated 10 or more dishonor points is given the Dishonorable status, which is displayed as a buff icon on screen. While affected by this status, no characters present on that account may enter any PvP missions.
* The Dishonorable status remains in effect for 1 minute for each accumulated dishonor point. This status cannot be removed by logging out or changing characters.
* When the duration of the Dishonorable status has expired, characters on that account may once again join PvP missions.
* Dishonor points will remain on the player's account for a total of 60 minutes. If further dishonor points are acquired during this period, that account is once again given the Dishonorable status, though for a longer period of time.

You had to do something more than quit once if you were banned from playing for 60 minutes. In fact you had to do quite a lot more than leaving once.

Kotetsu Rain

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Utopia

D/

28 Sep 2007 at 05:58 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

The /report system appears flawed. (OMG, he said something bad about Guild Wars, ban the WoW-fanboy!)

Punishing people who falsely report get these Dishonor points? And you need 1/3 of group to achieve it? (Note to ArenaNet; You can't take 1/3 of 4 or 8 evenly)

So that's 2 players in a RA match and 3 players in a FA match. If that many people on your team is spending that much time reporting, your team has bigger problems than leechers. And, of course, when someone gets punished for correctly reporting a leecher, but since no one else reports the leecher, there will be mass whining.

Also, I can't wait to see the 4 man AB guild group who reports everyone.

I'd offer a comparison to WoW's reporting system...but I'd be flamed mercilessly for even suggesting it.

Yeah this is what I started thinking about. Not everyone in Guild Wars is a saint (I'm sure not) and I see this feature getting BADLY abused. I mean I remember people saying "I'm gonna report you lieing to me about your skillbar!" Those we're normally the people who dind't know about how to e-mail Anet in the first place. Now thanks to this new feature people are gonna love cracking down on peeps In game...

I feel bad for the people on the recieving end of these things.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

28 Sep 2007 at 06:05 - 98

Well it depends on how strongly they enforce and watch abuse. Heh be funny if within a week a few thousand people are temp banned for false reporting..:> Remember they log EVERYTHING, if you file a report, they will probably check on it, especially if you do it repeatedly, or someone challenges it.

Legendary Battousai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA

[Ryuk]

W/A

28 Sep 2007 at 06:05 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Can't you think of anything more constructive and beneficial? It's a bit like saying "I don't like the voting system in my country so I'm going to spam them with this and that" ... do you think it's a mature behavior? Can't you put your creative thinking to work on how to correct the report feature? Propose corrections or additions?

I suppose strikes, and rebellions which created the country you lived in were not constructive or beneficial either.

And heres my corrections or additions for the entire system: Remove it - or allow people to be reported for being bad at this game.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

28 Sep 2007 at 06:16 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

I suppose strikes, and rebellions which created the country you lived in were not constructive or beneficial either.

And heres my corrections or additions for the entire system: Remove it - or allow people to be reported for being bad at this game.

If you're that elite then maybe you should go play Shadowbane or Fury for an RPG-PvP experience, or go play a real twitch-based PvP game. GW isn't an elite, restrictive game. In fact, you can stick to TA, HA, and GvG if you want to restrict who you play with based on their play. If you can't get a team together of people you play with then maybe they are the same ones that would report you for bad play if the feature existed :-)

AscalonWarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kokkola, Finland

Mo/

28 Sep 2007 at 07:27 - 101

Again, people complained about leavers and leechers. Anet does something, and now you complain that the system which prevents leechers and leavers is lame? Grow up

Abbel Calima

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

The Netherlands

Envoys From Above [soul]

Me/

28 Sep 2007 at 07:48 - 102

Great update, finally a way to punish those leavers in RA. Now i can happily farm my glad points.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

28 Sep 2007 at 07:49 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by AscalonWarrior

Again, people complained about leavers and leechers. Anet does something, and now you complain that the system which prevents leechers and leavers is lame? Grow up

Complaining about complainers is sooo much better.

AscalonWarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kokkola, Finland

Mo/

28 Sep 2007 at 08:01 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Complaining about complainers is sooo much better.

Yup, makes me feel good

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

28 Sep 2007 at 08:12 - 105

Pretty good updated and other things. Let sit back and see what'll happen in the next few days. I'll turn off my local chat for now.

/report UK for having such a crappy weather.

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

28 Sep 2007 at 08:16 - 106

so what if u put sum1 in your ignore list and he answer reporting u crying "mamaaa he's ignoring meeee

"

thumbs up if there's actualy sum1 checking reports and not just a machine.

and for ppl asking for battle plans, i just had 2 drops, both off charr bosses, get a devouver and farm those 3 bosses in sanctoh valley over and over, pretty sure u'll have all the plans u need

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

28 Sep 2007 at 08:26 - 107

I don't think they should have it for suspected bots ... anyone that has ever 55d zos shiros assassins looks like a bot. I end a run hit storage click sign and out I go. Might look like a bot but nope just a bored gw player being efficient. That is only part of report system I see abuse happening in. Since 99% of gw screams bot whenever they see more than 3 monks in one place heading to a door. I remember when Bergen was hot for awhile ... local chat like 5 people saying everyone was a bot there ... about 30 of us went off at same time pointing out we were not ... what happens if we have local chat turned off

Noz Crow

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 08:35 - 108

Maybe with this new /report system for bots we can get our old loot scaling back. I know "yeah right", but I can always hope and dream.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

28 Sep 2007 at 08:35 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

I suppose strikes, and rebellions which created the country you lived in were not constructive or beneficial either.

Strikes or rebellions never ever created "my" country (how arrogant of you to presume what "my" country is, you'd be surprised, but that's not the point here ... though arrogance is the point of my answer to you, try to have an ounce of humility).

Quote:

And heres my corrections or additions for the entire system: Remove it - or allow people to be reported for being bad at this game.

Well, I've never played with you, but if it were to happen I've got the feeling that I could have a very "bad" experience given the few messages I read from you. So "bad" cannot be determined objectively, can it? The world cannot revolve around "you" just because you've got gazillions factions or maxed all titles!

Once more, your reaction is typical from someone who does not fully understand the system. No one here knows how people will (ab)use it. Give it a chance, and then if it does not work we can agree to petition Anet to remove it. But, please, don't put forward your view unless you can back it up with a serious analysis of the feature's flaws.

I really really hope that the majority of GW players are silent and waiting to see how the report feature can work, or not. Because from the messages of this thread, one could think that this community is hopelessly immature (see the "I bought this game and they want to prevent me from playing it" answer ...).

You know the saying, one only sees the train arriving late, not the one arriving on time.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 08:37 - 110

I love it! Dishonor points.. very roleplayer-y.
I think this will work, i just hope it doesnt get abused.

glountz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 08:40 - 111

Excellent.
EX-CEL-LENT!
Yeah there might be abuse. But sincerely I don't think so.
A-Net couldn't manage all the bas guys roaming around here, so they leave it to the hands of players. That's okay for me.
Long Live Anet!

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

28 Sep 2007 at 08:41 - 112

this looks cool, though i would be worried that I would be the only person in a team to report an actual leacher, and then get dishonour myself.

Though it is necessary to dishonur a false accuser.

A typical catch 22 situation

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

28 Sep 2007 at 08:42 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by reverse_oreo

Can you tell me where you found the battle plans at? I killed a whole bunch of mobs and didnt get anything.

They only dropped from Charr during the preview weekend. I don't know if they will start dropping again, I would assume so though as they count toward the Adventurer of the North title.

Gildor Took

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, 3rd rock from the sun

Mo/

28 Sep 2007 at 08:44 - 114

Why was the glad point system changed?

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

28 Sep 2007 at 08:46 - 115

/ report Anet for not fixing more important bugs.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

28 Sep 2007 at 08:53 - 116

Does this mean I can get reported for saccing myself at the start of an RA match so one of my teammates can make minions???

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 08:55 - 117

8 minutes is too long. A huge step in the right direction though, and I hope Anet doesn't drag its feet to tweak and improve it.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 08:57 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Does this mean I can get reported for saccing myself at the start of an RA match so one of my teammates can make minions???

I guess so, if the other 2 peeps you're with don't get the plan.

immortius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Black Cats

E/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 08:59 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Does this mean I can get reported for saccing myself at the start of an RA match so one of my teammates can make minions???

Sure... if your teammates are a bunch of jerks that feel like reporting you.

My feelings:

* No worries about the reporting of bots/spammers/rude people. This could happen before anyway, and given the quantity of reports they will be receiving I'm sure ANet/NCSoft will likely tend to the side of caution.

HypnotiX

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Mo/

28 Sep 2007 at 09:20 - 120

This system is beyond stupid im sorry. Let me give you an example, i was playing RA today when my internet connection failed for 5 minutes, after i was able to login guess what i was dishonorable \o/
I really hate this system this gives all the bitching whining ppl the tool they wanted, now i have to sit around and play with a crappy team filled with noobs in ra because i cant leave thats just great....

*edit this will mean that either the experienced players will stop playing ra or if they find themselfs in a bad team they will just play bad so they lose. But on the upside it might turn more ppl towards ha

Karia Mirniman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

28 Sep 2007 at 09:26 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoldyRiceFrenzy

i already started 55ing today to make my pt to ppl. lol, makes ppl so pissed, but at least it feels good to make them suffer TOO.

u can always feign being a stupid nub pver though =D. since half of the ppl in ra actually are...

Cool, so I can test /Report out on you 49 times. Have a nice day.