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illreris

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/A

01 Oct 2007 at 05:38 - 1

I'm very upset about this xxxx

after long hours to collected items

HOW DID ARENA NET LET'S THIS HAPPEN??

I'm feel like playing SECOND GRADE online game.
Did ANET drop their quality? graphic of blindfold on my beloved monk looks really really bad,
I will not stand for sloppy low quality works.

so I begging you
>>Fix it!!<<
restore my faith in Arena Net's graphic design team..............

>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<

Edit by Esan suggestion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowell The Fallen

That is some pretty bad clipping. I might hold off getting my blindfold until i see a screen shot of it on my hair style.

I decided to collect screen shot of Blindfolds for ppl who want to make it but have no idea that how it'll appear on their character.

#1 The Ranger has a better luck than me with blindfold.

#2 Bald PAWN me

#3 Another clipping meh

#4 Absolute beauty, my eyes are on fire.

#5 That's what I call tiny little clipping, still beautiful and acceptable.

#6 Another nice one

Punches

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

San Diego

Puppy Eating Zombie Cult

N/Me

01 Oct 2007 at 05:45 - 2

It's always the most quiet RIGHT before a storm

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

01 Oct 2007 at 05:49 - 3

... Again...

Gaile has already stated ANet will not fix this or any of the other headpieces in GW:EN.

There are 4 locked threads with her final say on this matter floating around Guru. Sorry. You'll have to get over it.

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

01 Oct 2007 at 05:54 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixCarter

... Again...

Gaile has already stated ANet will not fix this or any of the other headpieces in GW:EN.

There are 4 locked threads with her final say on this matter floating around Guru. Sorry. You'll have to get over it.

Really, now? Eh.. well that's kinda lame. Heart sank a little.

But only because that could mean they aren't fixing a wider range of graphical anomalies, such as the broken dervish arm while doing emotes (Female): Guess my hopes to get this fixed have been ruined, but what was I thinking, I already knew I'd never see the day.

illreris

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/A

01 Oct 2007 at 06:10 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixCarter

... Again...

Gaile has already stated ANet will not fix this or any of the other headpieces in GW:EN.

There are 4 locked threads with her final say on this matter floating around Guru. Sorry. You'll have to get over it.

Is this mean I can't post my Opinion?
because my thread will be locked soon

I just wanna tell it to someone so they won't make mistake as myselfs.

It's my stupided faulth that I expect an equally, a same beauty with blindfold as others character.
It's my faulth that's making a blindfold.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

01 Oct 2007 at 06:11 - 6

OP, I am guessing you are not a native English speaker. Just a little hint: the imperative form of the verb "fix" is not "fixed". That is the past-tense.

In other words, it is "fix it!", not "fixed it!".

illreris

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/A

01 Oct 2007 at 06:15 - 7

yeah I'm not native English
but it's not the point for this thread isn't it?

Here is my friend, she wearing GUCCI.

pOmrAkkUn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Bangkok

Me/Mo

01 Oct 2007 at 06:45 - 8

:S

I think ANET should make test screen or program on web that allow us to test any armor combo on our char.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

01 Oct 2007 at 06:46 - 9

Or, you know, just test properly before releasing stuff?

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

01 Oct 2007 at 06:55 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

Or, you know, just test properly before releasing stuff?

The quality drop is corresponding with their company increasing in popularity and size. This trend is not specific to Arena Net, it is true of almost all large companies. While it is a pity, it seems to be a vicious trend.

Start Small, super concerned with fanbase and their opinions.

Become a medium sized entity, fanbase grows and a broader image of feedback is taken, rather then people being a person, they are a statistic.

Become a large company, the fanbase no longer matters very much, just so long as the majority can be kept happy and the money keeps coming in. Essentially, everyone becomes a player number on the server, and feedback is taken sporadically, in large majority chunks, analyzed, and if it doesn't fit the tighter fiscal budgets based on making the largest income, they are tossed out. If development time doesn't permit them, they are removed.

This is not just the case of Arena Net, but EVERY company. Dell used to be a GREAT computer company, with second to none support, great computers, and a fantastic image. They grew, their computers became less impressive, but their support remained top notch. They expanded into a super company, and their company went to hell. But they had established their image, so they were comfortable enough to cut EVERY corner, and make every customer just another number. Now, they are revising their computers because finally, people are realizing how terrible they are. The XPS computers are the best example, but unfortunately, this simply means that only those willing to pay the premium get a decent product, all others don't deserve it because they didn't feed the financial machine.

Pity, yes. Truth, yes. Avoidable, yes, but why avoid what makes you the most money?

t_the_nihilst

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Columbus, OH

So Goth We Crap [Bats], Friday The [13th]

Me/

01 Oct 2007 at 07:00 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

Or, you know, just test properly before releasing stuff?

/agreed.

Very sloppy. I'd be pissed too.

illreris

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/A

01 Oct 2007 at 07:56 - 12

I'm quite impressive about the feedbacks especially Rahja the Thief 's and Loki 's, I've sent mail to PlayNC support Center about the blindfold.

I guess it's nothing harm if I'll share the answer with you all nice ppl.

so there is their answer

Quote:

BLINDFOLD >> Why did you do this to me?!!

Discussion Thread
Response (GM David) 10/01/2007 01:01 AM
Hello,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.

Your information has been sent to our developers for review. You may be contacted again if more information is needed on this issue. However, if no further information is needed, your ticket may be set to "Closed" without any further correspondence. (Also, please be aware that we are unable to recover any items or characters that have been lost to your account for any reason.) Our developers will not be able to personally respond to you to let you know the status of this issue or any related fix, but please be assured that they are looking into the issue. (Our Game Updates page is a good place to keep up with the latest changes to the game: http://www.guildwars.com/support/gameupdates/) If this issue is confirmed as one that requires change, it will be placed on a list and prioritized along with any other issues that exist in the game. In the direst of emergencies, some high-priority issues are scheduled to be fixed within days or even hours of when the issue is first discovered. However, please understand that most issues take several weeks or months before a fix is designed, constructed, tested, and eventually passed into the live game environment. Thank you for your support and patience.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

Better than "Sry we won't fix this" just a little hope I know
but I can sleep now after 5 hours on buying Diessa Chalice.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Oct 2007 at 07:57 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixCarter

... Again...

Gaile has already stated ANet will not fix this or any of the other headpieces in GW:EN.

There are 4 locked threads with her final say on this matter floating around Guru. Sorry. You'll have to get over it.

I thought the closed threads were about Gaile stating they were not changing the shitty reskinned armors, not about graphical anomalies with headgear and armor. In fact, I thought they supported the idea of having players who found graphic bugs like this to report it to a certain board.

eightyfour-onesevenfive

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

7??13'35" E - 50??06'27" N

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

01 Oct 2007 at 08:36 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by illreris

Did ANET drop their quality?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

The quality drop is corresponding with their company increasing in popularity and size.

Well, armor/weapon clipping issues are nothing new at all. Some mesmer masks have just the same problem with certain hairdos since day one of the release of Prophecies, for example. I have long since abandoned hope that anything will be done about that.

illreris

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/A

01 Oct 2007 at 08:42 - 15

atleast someone noticed it.

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FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

01 Oct 2007 at 08:50 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by illreris

Is this mean I can't post my Opinion?
because my thread will be locked soon

No. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think everyone and their mom should get on every fan board and post a request to fix all these problems.

As people have stated, there is no reason these headpieces should be different from Assassin masks or Monk Scalp designs. Perhaps if enough people bring it to ANet's attention, they'll actually look into it instead of brushing it off again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

Or, you know, just test properly before releasing stuff?

/Signed

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

I thought the closed threads were about Gaile stating they were not changing the shitty reskinned armors, not about graphical anomalies with headgear and armor. In fact, I thought they supported the idea of having players who found graphic bugs like this to report it to a certain board.

Nope. 75% of them were about armors. 25% were about the headgear. In the end, all of them get locked. Rule #9.

It's just like the person who reported a graphic bug with the Tormented Focus and it being inside his characters leg...

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

01 Oct 2007 at 13:49 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

The quality drop is corresponding with their company increasing in popularity and size. This trend is not specific to Arena Net, it is true of almost all large companies. While it is a pity, it seems to be a vicious trend.

Start Small, super concerned with fanbase and their opinions.

Become a medium sized entity, fanbase grows and a broader image of feedback is taken, rather then people being a person, they are a statistic.

Become a large company, the fanbase no longer matters very much, just so long as the majority can be kept happy and the money keeps coming in. Essentially, everyone becomes a player number on the server, and feedback is taken sporadically, in large majority chunks, analyzed, and if it doesn't fit the tighter fiscal budgets based on making the largest income, they are tossed out. If development time doesn't permit them, they are removed.

This is not just the case of Arena Net, but EVERY company. Dell used to be a GREAT computer company, with second to none support, great computers, and a fantastic image. They grew, their computers became less impressive, but their support remained top notch. They expanded into a super company, and their company went to hell. But they had established their image, so they were comfortable enough to cut EVERY corner, and make every customer just another number. Now, they are revising their computers because finally, people are realizing how terrible they are. The XPS computers are the best example, but unfortunately, this simply means that only those willing to pay the premium get a decent product, all others don't deserve it because they didn't feed the financial machine.

Pity, yes. Truth, yes. Avoidable, yes, but why avoid what makes you the most money?

It think it's more there resources are on GW2 to keep it on track, and EOTN was a bit rushed out the door. I've noticed more "see through walls / floors" by changing camera angles, and very bad pathing. It's been so bad, It reminds me of when GuildWars 1st game out for the 1st 4-6 months (and that was fixed later / as time went on).

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

01 Oct 2007 at 13:55 - 18

Not all characters have the same head size.
Not all characters have the same hair size.

Theres always going to be clipping errors if you put anything on a part of a character thats very dynamically designed (the head)

This is why the holiday headgear is either:

Really big to fit over your head OR removes your hair altogether.

Fixing the OP's clipping error will probably give another hair-type another clipping error.

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

01 Oct 2007 at 14:11 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Not all characters have the same head size.
Not all characters have the same hair size.

Theres always going to be clipping errors if you put anything on a part of a character thats very dynamically designed (the head)

This is why the holiday headgear is either:

Really big to fit over your head OR removes your hair altogether.

Fixing the OP's clipping error will probably give another hair-type another clipping error.

I dunno if I agree...I just simply think that since armour items are customised and have to adapt to character size anyway it would technically be possible to adjust it to the hair type aswell.

Not saying that it won't take a lot of programming or something but I sincerely doubt it is impossible to do...

It's a priority thing I suppose.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

01 Oct 2007 at 14:16 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

I dunno if I agree...I just simply think that since armour items are customised and have to adapt to character size anyway it would technically be possible to adjust it to the hair type aswell.

Not saying that it won't take a lot of programming or something but I sincerely doubt it is impossible to do...

It's a priority thing I suppose.

i think it has to do with how GW player skeletons are "built"

speculation:

The bone on the head where the head implements are attached to, has a certain universal offset, since its parented to the head, and not the hair itself, the hair doesnt affect the helm offset since its also parented to the head.

We can increase the complexity of the hair, by adding more bones as location markers and root the mask to that, but that increases the complexity of the game, and that doesnt seem to be worth the time to fix a little error.

cwake79605

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

01 Oct 2007 at 14:16 - 21

A_NET today crappy EA tomorrow

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

01 Oct 2007 at 16:51 - 22

Since there is unlikely to be a fix for these items, there is only one viable solution: THE ABILITY TO CHANGE HAIRSTYLES!!! That way, you could find one that goes with your accessories...now GW and Barbie will have something in common.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

01 Oct 2007 at 16:55 - 23

Quote:

Become a large company, the fanbase no longer matters very much, just so long as the majority can be kept happy and the money keeps coming in.

And the sky is blue.

Grass is green.

Yes, it's about majority. Since they can't make everyone happy all the time, it matters that majority is happy.

I for one simply don't care about such tiny details, since I play in 3rd person, and headwear is about 20 pixels in size.

Linksys

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

01 Oct 2007 at 18:27 - 24

You can see my ranger's hair clip with the right side of my shades. I was hoping the shades would go under the hair, as in be part of the face. Just another example.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

01 Oct 2007 at 18:39 - 25

Why, ANet, why! Why can't it be dyed!?

But seriously, that's a pretty popular monk hairdo, a lot've people are probably upset.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

01 Oct 2007 at 18:42 - 26

Blindfold would be cool too but it seems to clip with everything =o

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

01 Oct 2007 at 20:46 - 27

Oh I'VE GOT IT!!!

They made all headgear based on ME!

Bald is beautiful

Hexum

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

MxG

N/Mo

01 Oct 2007 at 21:52 - 28

Is there a thread or something that shows what problems people are having with this? It would be nice to know what has issues before buying these things. If not someone should make one somewhere.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

01 Oct 2007 at 22:11 - 29

/signed. Fix the "Elite" armors so that you actually get something worth the grind required to craft it. The fix would require effort though, something Arena Net is not willing to invest into the outdated Guild Wars 1. So, doubtful any fix is going to happen. They would have to make each blindfold class specific, and then make sure that it didn't conflict with ANY of the hair textures. This would require a lot of energy and development time. They are too busy with Guild Wars 2 to be bothered with "trivial" matters.

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

01 Oct 2007 at 22:46 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by illreris

I think I just got a woodie.......

Urm.... anyways yeah too bad that's next to impossible to fix without completely remodelling the hair, or removing your hair model and leaving you bald. And they can't just thin out the blindfold cuz then you'd have people complaining about how a chunk of their head is protruding through the blindfold.... This isn't the unreal 3 engine you know

ainkami

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

01 Oct 2007 at 23:32 - 31

Just a guess, but I think most of the dev team has already moved on to other projects. Therefore, this is why Gaile said there wouldn't be anymore changes. If you want better headgear, you can always export the character meshes and design your own.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Oct 2007 at 23:33 - 32

Bitching and moaning can be fun, but this seems like a "Caveat Emptor" sort of situation. Everything can't look good on everyone; if it's the skinny jeans that just don't jive with your big butt or the blindfold that's gonna mess up your hair, sometimes you've just got to walk away.

Shiishii Momo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

I need a guild, R5 KOBD

N/

01 Oct 2007 at 23:51 - 33

I believe I remember seeing a post in which one of the devs explained that the way they modeled all the little trinkets for the head is that it does not actually attach to the toons existing "head", but that it replaces the head with a pre moulded model wearing the item. I wish i could find the thread so it would lend credence and make sense, but the point is, if that's the best that they could do for something that even they should have had the forethought to know would be a big deal (i.e., crowns, shades, blindfolds), then that's pretty damn sad.

EDIT: Found comment

This was Gaile's response as to why the blindfolds could not be dyed, I guess it relates to all the headgear pieces.

Answer: Yes, it was intended that masks not accept dyes, or rather, it was necessary that they not accept dyes due to technical limitations. The reason for this is that masks are, essentially, the "helm model." In order to place a helm of any sort on your character's head, we replace the hair with the helm. You may have noticed that when your long-haired PC puts on a hat of some sort -- the hair disappears, right? Well, with the blindfold, if we replace the hair with the "helm," the character will be bald! (There is an exception with the masks of the Mesmer, but we cannot extend that exception to all models, as they were not designed that way to begin with, as the Mesmer was.)

The technical limitation is something I imagine we'll address in Guild Wars 2. For Guild Wars, it's not something that we can change.

darktyco

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

01 Oct 2007 at 23:58 - 34

Very sloppy work. It is too bad ANet has said they don't plan to fix a bit of it either.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

02 Oct 2007 at 00:20 - 35

Considering my post is about to appear above Vin's, I shall not quote him.

It is third rate, 100% agree. THey could have made a workaround using all new code or using the mesmer's masks as a base.

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

02 Oct 2007 at 00:21 - 36

That is kinda third rate., especially for something that's so much work.

/signed

Kong

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

02 Oct 2007 at 00:40 - 37

Ya somethings are getting very annoying.

Last night I got myself "Mask of the JoJingJong" or whatever the hell it's called... the ninja maks, gave it to my assassin.

I spent a few mins in Dye Preview window deciding on how I was going to dye it, settled on a color scheme and clicked apply.... didn't look anything like what I previewed.

With Black Dye being in the mix, and 7K a pop, I spent almost 90K trying to get the color just right. It's still not right, but I'm not spending anymore on it.

It's annoying when something you expect to work and look right ends up looking so poorly done.

The dye problem was just annoying, but not being able to properly use some of the new headgear because it looks like they didn't even try to do it right is something else.

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

02 Oct 2007 at 01:39 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

OP, I am guessing you are not a native English speaker. Just a little hint: the imperative form of the verb "fix" is not "fixed". That is the past-tense.

In other words, it is "fix it!", not "fixed it!".

Why post at all you rude little person? just shows guild wars comunity at its best.

Cherng Butter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Maryland

The Mirror Of Reason [SNOW]

E/Mo

02 Oct 2007 at 02:25 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vl Vl D

Why post at all you rude little person? just shows guild wars comunity at its best.

Don't really understand how that's rude, just correcting his/her english..

I suppose an armor preview would be nice

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

02 Oct 2007 at 02:51 - 40

That's just horrid. Totally sloppy work. The worst thing is, the skeletons aren't that different from each other. It would not have taken a lick of work to avoid this.

This is utter sloppyness. Anet needs to get their act together, just about now. If Gaile has really confirmed this, she has been hypociritcal of her quote

"Stop putting Arenanet with the big businesses and how they don't care. That's a horrible generalization. We DO care about the player's input and our work, so stop knocking on us."

Well, not in those words exactly, but you get the drift. Some truth, Gaile. Some truth. Tell us to stop putting Arenanet with the big companies and how they don't care, then confirm that Arenanet is not even going to fix a few broken parts because they DON'T CARE.

This is disgusting. Nothing more to say. I really hope Gaile Grey or any Arenanet rep will read this, and maybe get a clue.