Avatar of Balthazar
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by Darkside
I'm not sure why you *have to break it down again* my opinion won't change and no matter what you post. Want me to re-post what I already did as well? Lets find out how many times we can re-word our arguments.
I already understand what you're saying and I agree with it for the most part. I just don't think the skill down right sucks and needs to be flushed like a dead fish. It had about as much use as a dead fish so why not? I have to keep re-iterating these things because people like you just don't get it.Ok well it is your opinion even if it is wrong. Cling to your happy little delusion all you like. Maybe someday I'll come visit you in crazy land where AoB is all "ub3r 1337 [email protected]" and you can show me what you're talking about.
I already understand what you're saying and I agree with it for the most part. I just don't think the skill down right sucks and needs to be flushed like a dead fish. It had about as much use as a dead fish so why not? I have to keep re-iterating these things because people like you just don't get it.Ok well it is your opinion even if it is wrong. Cling to your happy little delusion all you like. Maybe someday I'll come visit you in crazy land where AoB is all "ub3r 1337 [email protected]" and you can show me what you're talking about.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Darkside
I do get comments like that sometimes. Mostly being called a noob for running Lyssa.
being called a noob for running lyssa?whoa thats stupid...
doesnt stop AoB bring junk
doesnt stop AoB bring junk
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
being called a noob for running lyssa?whoa thats stupid...
doesnt stop AoB bring junk Obviously, I don't really give a hoot what some idiot in a pug has to say about Lyssa when he obviously has no idea what he is talking about. Str0b0
Ok whatever man. Me insulting you has nothing to do with my state of mind though. I'm trying to educate you because you still seem to be under the impression that AoB is useful for something. It isn't. Insulting you didn't work. Explaining it logically didn't work. I honestly don't know what else to do. you just seem stubbornly insistent on being wrong and that sort of mentality just boggles my mind.
ensoriki
avatar of BAlthazar.
For whatever to whatever seconds. Your attacks deal holy damage you have +40 armor, you move 33% faster and you do +5-25 more damage to foes NOT using skills (SUCKS FOR YOU KITERS!) DeXyre
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Originally Posted by Darkside
I do get comments like that sometimes. Mostly being called a noob for running Lyssa.
It's rare, but sometimes people actually notice you're taking large chucks of those red bars
 Luckily my heroes and henchmen don't complain about the avatar of my choice (mostly Lyssa, and depending on the area I'm in I take out Dwayna or Melandru). I always find something more useful than Balthazar to put in my elite slot really...
MBP
AoB is in need of a buff...until then it will continue to suck horribly.
xhappy feetx
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10204939
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10204521 Alot of threads i see, containing the skill Avatar Of Balthazar quickly turn into a sole debate of that skill. This is an attempt from me to gather all the points for / against that people wish to make into one thread. So: Discuss [skill]Avatar Of Balthazar[/skill] !! AoB is decent for PvP???????? I'm Lost............. its a good general elite to carry in PvE b/c the +40 and the speed......... rabwatt
Personally I found AoB perfect for doing lazy runs to the Hidden Treasure/Treasure Chest/Do Not Touch.
Press one button and run
milkflopance
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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx
AoB is decent for PvP???????? I'm Lost.............
its a good general elite to carry in PvE b/c the +40 and the speed......... Id rather just take conviction and a useful elite, like reaper's sweep. ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx
AoB is decent for PvP???????? I'm Lost.............
its a good general elite to carry in PvE b/c the +40 and the speed......... Make sure your posts are relevant to what you quoted. Nowhere in what i quoted did i say AoB in PvP was good. Nowhere. I don't even agree with half of those quotes, it was just setting up the debate for ya.
boarderx
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Originally Posted by rabwatt
Personally I found AoB perfect for doing lazy runs to the Hidden Treasure/Treasure Chest/Do Not Touch.
Press one button and run lol, thats when i use AoB the most, for the lazy runs in the easy ares for the free chests. 1 click and go!
BlackSephir
Meh, I take Devona with her Charge! for that >_>
And it gives speed boost to all party members! Conclusion Devona > Charge! > AoB rabwatt
charge does not last the whole duration to get the chest and you dont need the rest of the party for the easy chests
(Im not saying Aob is any good... just there are just a few occasions where it has a use)
MBP
i just got booted from a "Temple of the Damned" group for running Heart of Holy Flame + Mel instead of AoB lol PUGS are funny.
draxynnic
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Originally Posted by Darkside
Are you even reading any of my posts? When did I ever say AoB was 1337? I never claimed it was a great skill. All I said was that it was an "OK" skill and that I don't believe it's as bad as some of you make it out to be. I personally don't run AoB on any of my main builds. I do take a little comfort in knowing that I have annoyed you enough that you have to slip little insults into your post in some weak attempt to make yourself seem cool and/or smart. Go you...
I said it on the first page. They're just here to strawman everyone who even seems to be defending it, call them noobs, and beat the strawman down. Give up.
Speedy, however: even I'd disagree with that. My personal hierarchy of avatars is Dwayna and Lyssa more or less tied, Melandru, Balthazar. And I generally run EDA over any of them  .
Steps_Descending
Could someone confirm me this :
A friend told me Balthy was giving 33% speed to ANYTHING. Meaning running, attack (I could believe this) but also casting. Could someoen confir/infirm this for me. AlienFromBeyond
You may want to look up gullible in the dictionary.
Coloneh
your friend is full of bs. dont spread rumors that you can easily test.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Steps_Descending
Could someone confirm me this :
A friend told me Balthy was giving 33% speed to ANYTHING. Meaning running, attack (I could believe this) but also casting. Could someoen confir/infirm this for me. You could always ...ya know... check. Its not like that assertion is hard to test within about 5 minutes. Str0b0
It doesn't even need testing. Here allow me to show you. [skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill]
Mouse over the skill. It says "you move 33% faster". Movement in Guild Wars strictly refers to run speed. If it was an IAS boost you would have seen "you attack 33% faster" like in this skill [skill]Heart of Fury[/skill]. There now no one has to do any math.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
It doesn't even need testing.
Well of course it doesn't. I just meant that if someone were to try to tell me that, I'd take the 5 minutes to go see if it was recently bugged or something, so I could confidently tell them they were full of bullshit.
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
your friend is full of bs. dont spread rumors that you can easily test.
>:D
QFT Dontcha think it would be, y'now, on gwwiki?t
Turtle222
[QUOTE=Str0b0]you still seem to be under the impression that AoB is useful for something. It isn't.[QUOTE]
I wouldn't think areanet would've put this skill in if it wasnt useful for something. I occasionally use it in PvP when i got an MM to take care of (particularly CM and AB) In PvE, i do admit it is rather inferior to all the dervish elites (except Grenth)
- Tain -
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Originally Posted by Turtle222
I wouldn't think areanet would've put this skill in if it wasnt useful for something.
Now, THAT is dead wrong
There are plenty of godawful skills...
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Turtle222
I wouldn't think areanet would've put this skill in if it wasnt useful for something.
[skill]Balthazar's Pendulum[/skill] is all i have to say to that. and there are plenty more.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
[skill]Balthazar's Pendulum[/skill] is all i have to say to that. and there are plenty more.
/Win thread. Avatar Of Balthazar has it's upsides and downsides, but it's gotten me through a lot. UW soloing for example. That And Eternal Aura making running and staying alive a lot easier. It certainly blows the pants off the solo rit build which dies easily. Plus, I'm a runner. I don't want to stop and kill things for an extra 100G. If I need to get somewhere, unless it's through a very hard area, I'm running. Love AoB. It very much fits my playstyle. Sure, it doesn't give you a bonus like AoD or AoM, but those are only good in certain situations. I've found AoB to be a great Universal Avatar if I'm not doing anything special. And to all the people who say that the IAS rate increase of Heart of Fury is better, have you ever considered combining them on the same bar? Makes for speedy mob kills when you're just passing through an area, or even soloing. Again, very effective for UW soloing to me. They're in the same Attribute for Christs Sake. I disagree. Avatar of Balthazar has proven it's worth beyond the point of question to me.
Pyro maniac
If you want to run:
[skill]vow of silence[/skill] [skill]avatar of dwayna[/skill] + [skill]reversal of fortune[/skill] + [skill]mending touch[/skill] AoB should need a buff, +60 armor and adding 33% IAS would be a good start (I know heart of fury gives an IAS as well, but AoB lasts longer and can't be stripped)
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
If you want to run:
[skill]vow of silence[/skill] [skill]avatar of dwayna[/skill] + [skill]reversal of fortune[/skill] + [skill]mending touch[/skill] AoB should need a buff, +60 armor and adding 33% IAS would be a good start (I know heart of fury gives an IAS as well, but AoB lasts longer and can't be stripped) I don't mean run as in run people. I mean run as in run through an area if I need to get somewhere. When I to that somewhere, VoS will not help me in the least bit in fighting. And giving AoB an IAS Boost would make it extremely over powered. It would then get nerfed to a horrid state, worse than now.
Coloneh
IAS would make the average PvE player think it is overpowered, but in reality it would just make it viable
Marverick
Drop the armor boost and give it 33% IAS, now that might be something worth taking. Although then the PvP'ers would start complaining lol... unremovable 33% speed boost and 33% IAS with a Scythe....
- Tain -
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Drop the armor boost and give it 33% IAS, now that might be something worth taking. Although then the PvP'ers would start complaining lol... unremovable 33% speed boost and 33% IAS with a Scythe....
Yeah... that's not going to happen, with the amount of whining about RaO.
MrFinklestein
I don't think this thread should ever have been started.
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by Turtle222
Originally Posted by Str0b0
you still seem to be under the impression that AoB is useful for something. It isn't.
I wouldn't think areanet would've put this skill in if it wasnt useful for something.
I occasionally use it in PvP when i got an MM to take care of (particularly CM and AB) In PvE, i do admit it is rather inferior to all the dervish elites (except Grenth) Heart of Holy Flame+banishing strike is superior to AoB. Holy Flame has fire damage as an after effect and is another enchantment to fuel your energy and damage engine. Banishing strike is specifically designed to take out MM armies. I know I use the same build in AB for the same purpose. AoB is useless. A Net puts lots of useless kills in the game, example [skill]Otyugh's Cry[/skill]. Oooh all the animals in the environment are hostile...too bad they only do like 10 damage and there are never more than three of them around any enemies.
- Tain -
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
A Net puts lots of useless kills in the game, example [skill]Otyugh's Cry[/skill]. Oooh all the animals in the environment are hostile...too bad they only do like 10 damage and there are never more than three of them around any enemies.
You're right about useless skills, but that skill was completely changed
Should have left it at Balthazar's Pendulum...
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Avatar Of Balthazar has it's upsides and downsides, but it's gotten me through a lot. UW soloing for example. That And Eternal Aura making running and staying alive a lot easier. It certainly blows the pants off the solo rit build which dies easily. Plus, I'm a runner. I don't want to stop and kill things for an extra 100G. If I need to get somewhere, unless it's through a very hard area, I'm running. Love AoB. It very much fits my playstyle. Sure, it doesn't give you a bonus like AoD or AoM, but those are only good in certain situations. I've found AoB to be a great Universal Avatar if I'm not doing anything special. And to all the people who say that the IAS rate increase of Heart of Fury is better, have you ever considered combining them on the same bar? Makes for speedy mob kills when you're just passing through an area, or even soloing. Again, very effective for UW soloing to me. They're in the same Attribute for Christs Sake. I disagree. Avatar of Balthazar has proven it's worth beyond the point of question to me. |
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Originally Posted by MrFinklestein
I don't think this thread should ever have been started.
It'd be better if a select few kept argueing AoB is viable in 10 other threads, right?
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by - Tain -
You're right about useless skills, but that skill was completely changed
Should have left it at Balthazar's Pendulum...
Reworked or not the point still stands that they put that skill in the game in the first place and that it stayed like that for a looooong time.
MrFinklestein
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
It'd be better if a select few kept argueing AoB is viable in 10 other threads, right?
No, it would be better if people stop and see the futility of arguing with people that are not going to change their mind. This goes for both sides by the way.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Turtle222
I wouldn't think areanet would've put this skill in if it wasnt useful for something.
There are five gods in Guild Wars. If they're going to make avatars of one god, or two gods, or however many, it would be weird to leave out the others. They added Balthazar and decided on a few non overpowered buffs that would make sense for a God of War to imbue you with. Their design process was probably no more complicated than that. Don't overthink it.
Also its interesting to note that Dervish and Paragon have exactly the same number of skills and exactly the same number of those are elites. Obviously that was intentional, so its likely some are simply "filler."
Sir Pandra Pierva
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA this is one of the funniest threads I have read in a long time. Also it looks like I was quoted up there.
I use AoB to run droks a lot. Other than running I am now starting to find that it is nothing more than a nub skill all together. |
