I guess pve skills are balanced differently than normal skills, but Ursan Blessing is the most overpowered thing I've ever encountered. By a mile.
My guild grouped up for FoW last night where six of us used it. I have rank 7 on the Norn track while everyone else in the part was rank 4. It was so extraordinarily easy it was a total joke. It was a completely brain-dead experience as well, due to the ease of everything.
I guess my question is, does Anet consider balance in pve skills or is that kind of out the window?
~Ursan Blessing and balance~
cebalrai
McHearty
Of course they do, thats why they nerf everything all the time.
Darkobra
"Enjoy your halloween event! Oh and we nerfed Ursan Blessing, Pain Inverter and Summon Mursaat to have a 2 second duration."
DarkFlame
Points at Seed of Life. My monk still cries over it.
Antheus
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At this point, I'd be happy to have PUGs using this. It would be a nice break from the holy trinity.
Bankai
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Originally Posted by cebalrai
Konrow
So what you're saying is that we shouldn't have builds that let us kill other mobs easily? Because if so quick take away holy damage so we can't do double dmg against undead, etc. I mean sure the fact that one skill is pretty powerful is kinda crazy, but all PvE skills are meant to be strong, especially if you have a high rank in the title they're connected to.
zwei2stein
Whatever nerfs pve skills got, it was not enough.
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
Really, i dont get whining about nerfing them, they are STILL a lot better than most elites. Anet nerf bat is slacking.
/and yes, PvE can have ballance a actuall setup where skill matters/
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
Really, i dont get whining about nerfing them, they are STILL a lot better than most elites. Anet nerf bat is slacking.
/and yes, PvE can have ballance a actuall setup where skill matters/
cebalrai
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Originally Posted by Konrow
So what you're saying is that we shouldn't have builds that let us kill other mobs easily? Because if so quick take away holy damage so we can't do double dmg against undead, etc. I mean sure the fact that one skill is pretty powerful is kinda crazy, but all PvE skills are meant to be strong, especially if you have a high rank in the title they're connected to.
Ursan Blessing attacks are much more effective at killing undead than pretty much all the holy attacks.
No, I'm saying that Ursan is out of whack with the rest of the game, including other pve skills.
No, I'm saying that Ursan is out of whack with the rest of the game, including other pve skills.
cebalrai
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Whatever nerfs pve skills got, it was not enough.
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
Really, i dont get whining about nerfing them, they are STILL a lot better than most elites. Anet nerf bat is slacking.
/and yes, PvE can have ballance a actuall setup where skill matters/ A very good point. Ursan blessing is where Anet throws out the Skill>Time spent mantra. Ursan is just using one skill - your build is meaningless.
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
Really, i dont get whining about nerfing them, they are STILL a lot better than most elites. Anet nerf bat is slacking.
/and yes, PvE can have ballance a actuall setup where skill matters/ A very good point. Ursan blessing is where Anet throws out the Skill>Time spent mantra. Ursan is just using one skill - your build is meaningless.
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Whatever nerfs pve skills got, it was not enough.
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
Really, i dont get whining about nerfing them, they are STILL a lot better than most elites. Anet nerf bat is slacking.
/and yes, PvE can have ballance a actuall setup where skill matters/ Totally, because like, Elemental Lord is so much better than Glyph of Elemental Power
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
Really, i dont get whining about nerfing them, they are STILL a lot better than most elites. Anet nerf bat is slacking.
/and yes, PvE can have ballance a actuall setup where skill matters/ Totally, because like, Elemental Lord is so much better than Glyph of Elemental Power
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by cebalrai
Ursan blessing is where Anet throws out the Skill>Time spent mantra. Ursan is just using one skill - your build is meaningless.
This is true for all three blessings, and pretty much how I've felt about them since preview weekend. Of course, this is also true for the Junundu, and why so many people farm SS and Lightbringer points in Desolation HM, since those skills pretty much own everything. I mean, it's fun being demigods for a while, but yeah.
Personally, I used the blessings only during the missions where they're temporarily given to us, and that's it.
Personally, I used the blessings only during the missions where they're temporarily given to us, and that's it.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
Totally, because like, Elemental Lord is so much better than Glyph of Elemental Power
Actually, it is, mostly because you can use them simultanously, and unlike GOEP it does stack with other glyphs /glyph of sac, GOLE, glyph of renewall being not notable examples./ .
+2 Att EL royally owned GOEP, nerfed one is still just as strong. It if was PvP valid skill it would have to be elite.
Thing is thou, that +1/+2 Att is not worth skill slot... But when compared amongst equals, yes, it wins over GOEP because of bigger versatility and comboability.
+2 Att EL royally owned GOEP, nerfed one is still just as strong. It if was PvP valid skill it would have to be elite.
Thing is thou, that +1/+2 Att is not worth skill slot... But when compared amongst equals, yes, it wins over GOEP because of bigger versatility and comboability.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites.
Ursan Blessing IS an elite.
Ravi
ursan blessing is not overpowered, is just good when used in grps of more than one, its not like TnTF or seed of life wich were TRULY overpowered, since they could be used only by 1 person in the grp to be effective.
only 1 person in the grp with ursan blessing does not make a difference.
stop trying to make the game cater to you, and leave it be, found it too powerful? dont use it.
only 1 person in the grp with ursan blessing does not make a difference.
stop trying to make the game cater to you, and leave it be, found it too powerful? dont use it.
shinslw
Agreed, if you think it's too powerful dun use it. If you want it to get nerf well go ahead and email anet rather than posting here. It's a elite I c nothing wrong with it. AT least my ritualist wun get outcasted in some areas.
IlikeGW
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Whatever nerfs pve skills got, it was not enough.
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
When PVE stops taking identical balance nerfs to PVP I'll agree with you. Look at a paragon for instance, once highly versatile and fun, now all it is is a few builds. I don't think it "fixes everything" to then throw in some overpowered PVE only skills, but it's better than nothing
There is something deeply wrong with skills designed to be imba and better than elites. Such as, game not really being about skill.
When PVE stops taking identical balance nerfs to PVP I'll agree with you. Look at a paragon for instance, once highly versatile and fun, now all it is is a few builds. I don't think it "fixes everything" to then throw in some overpowered PVE only skills, but it's better than nothing
Hermos
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Originally Posted by Antheus
At this point, I'd be happy to have PUGs using this. It would be a nice break from the holy trinity.
QFT. Monks running around with ursan blessing > "no smiters allowed" PUG rule.
MercenaryKnight
If ursan elite was a regular pve skill it'd be imbalanced. Technically putting 12 into say fire and having everyone bring fireball or something could achieve the same high damage.
Just an example. The only reason people find it imbalanced is because all that damage comes "free" and even a monk and what not could do it.
Just an example. The only reason people find it imbalanced is because all that damage comes "free" and even a monk and what not could do it.
Targuil
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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
If ursan elite was a regular pve skill it'd be imbalanced. Technically putting 12 into say fire and having everyone bring fireball or something could achieve the same high damage.
Just an example. The only reason people find it imbalanced is because all that damage comes "free" and even a monk and what not could do it. It is armor ignoring dmg. Fireball or most else fast recharging things aren't.
Just an example. The only reason people find it imbalanced is because all that damage comes "free" and even a monk and what not could do it. It is armor ignoring dmg. Fireball or most else fast recharging things aren't.
GloryFox
Oh yay, we have the "balance" Nazi's out in force again for PvE. If you don't want to use the skill then don't. If you think its too powerful don't use it. All "Balance" Nerfs to PvE skills have done is drive players away to other games. For example the TNTF and Seed of Life Nerfs that have caused people to leave. (Yes I happen to know people who left over that) I swear there are people in the world who just want to make this game as sucky as possible for other people to play in a casual game enviroment.
Perhaps I would not be so upset over so many nerfs of late if it would stop causing my active friends list to slowly disappear.
BTW, the PvE skill "Finnish Him" as a required group skill is by far deadlier in FOW.
I've done both. We cleared FOW faster than any other time I've cleared it before and every person (all 8 of us) had "Finnish Him".
Cracked Armor + Deep Wound + damage from one shout FTW.
Perhaps I would not be so upset over so many nerfs of late if it would stop causing my active friends list to slowly disappear.
BTW, the PvE skill "Finnish Him" as a required group skill is by far deadlier in FOW.
I've done both. We cleared FOW faster than any other time I've cleared it before and every person (all 8 of us) had "Finnish Him".
Cracked Armor + Deep Wound + damage from one shout FTW.
knoll
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
I've done both. We cleared FOW faster than any other time I've cleared it before and every person (all 8 of us) had "Finnish Him".
Cracked Armor + Deep Wound + damage from one shout FTW. May I know the time, just curious.
Cracked Armor + Deep Wound + damage from one shout FTW. May I know the time, just curious.
Racthoh
For areas where your physicals would normally encounter a lot of hate, Ursan just seems like the most logical choice and it's rather depressing. Kiting, blocks, hexes, anything, it's all bypassed by mindless bear forming.
Avatar Exico
know what it makes those hard areas easier.
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by cebalrai
My guild grouped up for FoW last night where six of us used it. I have rank 7 on the Norn track while everyone else in the part was rank 4. It was so extraordinarily easy it was a total joke. It was a completely brain-dead experience as well, due to the ease of everything.
I guess my question is, does Anet consider balance in pve skills or is that kind of out the window? Any decent team should breeze through FOW. And like what has been said before, Ursan blessing isn't overpowered , it's just very good when you bring 6 people using it
Then again, wouldnt you also breeze through FOW with 6 Sh nukers?..
Lourens
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
Any decent team should breeze through FOW. And like what has been said before, Ursan blessing isn't overpowered , it's just very good when you bring 6 people using it 
If only 1 person brings it you'll barely notice it.
Then again, wouldnt you also breeze through FOW with 6 Sh nukers?.. duo 600hp smite? :P
anyway +200hp +20 armor aoe knockdown lovely mass armor ignore dmg moving like 35% faster i love ursan blessing
RUSHING FTW !!
Then again, wouldnt you also breeze through FOW with 6 Sh nukers?.. duo 600hp smite? :P
anyway +200hp +20 armor aoe knockdown lovely mass armor ignore dmg moving like 35% faster i love ursan blessing
RUSHING FTW !!
Lourens
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Oh yay, we have the "balance" Nazi's out in force again for PvE. If you don't want to use the skill then don't. If you think its too powerful don't use it. All "Balance" Nerfs to PvE skills have done is drive players away to other games. For example the TNTF and Seed of Life Nerfs that have caused people to leave. (Yes I happen to know people who left over that) I swear there are people in the world who just want to make this game as sucky as possible for other people to play in a casual game enviroment.
Perhaps I would not be so upset over so many nerfs of late if it would stop causing my active friends list to slowly disappear.
BTW, the PvE skill "Finnish Him" as a required group skill is by far deadlier in FOW.
I've done both. We cleared FOW faster than any other time I've cleared it before and every person (all 8 of us) had "Finnish Him".
Cracked Armor + Deep Wound + damage from one shout FTW. i think 7 dumb warriors and a LoD monk will kill it faster 7 x like 800hp +20 armor damage maniacs xD
Perhaps I would not be so upset over so many nerfs of late if it would stop causing my active friends list to slowly disappear.
BTW, the PvE skill "Finnish Him" as a required group skill is by far deadlier in FOW.
I've done both. We cleared FOW faster than any other time I've cleared it before and every person (all 8 of us) had "Finnish Him".
Cracked Armor + Deep Wound + damage from one shout FTW. i think 7 dumb warriors and a LoD monk will kill it faster 7 x like 800hp +20 armor damage maniacs xD
Grenths Entropy
I dont understand all this hate towards this skill, its a very good skill and yes there are ways of abusing this skill, like 6 Ursans 2 Monks. But look at it from a different angle. For example me and my friend are both monks and we tend to do everythign together. Now 2 monks in 4 man areas is near impossible on HM. i go ursan and we can acctually play these areas together. Or guilds wanting to do DoA and 4+ monks sign up some go ursan and it makes the team sort of balanced again. So please stop QQing about this skill. I really would hate to see Anet nerf it.
Tane
Tane
kazjun
Don't like it? Don't use it. And as for clearing FoW? Any decent team, or two players and six heroes can clear it just as easily.
Big_Iron
If they start nerfing PvE skills, that's it. I'm done. GG. kthxbai...
Whiskeyjack
I don't like any skill that encourages players not to bother getting better at the game. Can't beat a mission, np just take ursan. Imo the attacks should be melee attacks and so subject to normal melee counters but I doubt this will happen.
arsie
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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet
If they start nerfing PvE skills, that's it. I'm done. GG. kthxbai...
Uh, they HAVE already started nerfing PvE skills. TntF. bai.
IAmFlip
they don't need to nerf PVE skills...why do people complain for these?
MercenaryKnight
The only reason anet implemented pve only skills was because of all the things us pve players missed out on because of the imbalances it made in pvp. We finally get a few good skills to use and they are still being nerfed.
If they nerf ursan it seems like they might as well tone down every other pve skill they gave us. Maybe just take them back altogether? What's the point of making up for all the pvp nerfs we endured when they just nerf pve skills because they are "too strong".
If they nerf ursan it seems like they might as well tone down every other pve skill they gave us. Maybe just take them back altogether? What's the point of making up for all the pvp nerfs we endured when they just nerf pve skills because they are "too strong".
Mello_Macabre
Wait, so you are complaining about something that is your advantage, and the enemy can't complain about it, it speeds things up, and you want a nerf?
Intelligence, please.
Intelligence, please.
tmakinen
Ursan Blessing is a very interesting skill, or rather a whole set of skills, like having a portable wurm or siege devourer in your pocket. It has undeniable advantages:
* UB effectively extends your skillbar. You can have a fully functional 7 skill build when you don't want/can't stay in UB, thus providing new tactical possibilities.
* UB facilitates class equality and thus teaming up. Players with 'unfavored' character professions will be more readily accepted to a group if they can fill a bear-shaped hole in it.
* Some solo quests/missions strongly disfavor particular professions and profession independent skills like UB can be a great resource in those situations.
UB doesn't make you invincible. Heavy e-denial is an effective counter to UB, especially against professions with a shallow energy pool (warriors and paragons should consider taking a focus item instead of a shield if e-denial is an issue). Hexing is also effective against UB.
All things considering, the thing that seems to be somewhat overpowered is the raw DPS capability. I expect that once the player base has gotten enough norn reputation the damage from ursan skills will be somewhat toned down (and that will cause much dismay and name calling as usual )
* UB effectively extends your skillbar. You can have a fully functional 7 skill build when you don't want/can't stay in UB, thus providing new tactical possibilities.
* UB facilitates class equality and thus teaming up. Players with 'unfavored' character professions will be more readily accepted to a group if they can fill a bear-shaped hole in it.
* Some solo quests/missions strongly disfavor particular professions and profession independent skills like UB can be a great resource in those situations.
UB doesn't make you invincible. Heavy e-denial is an effective counter to UB, especially against professions with a shallow energy pool (warriors and paragons should consider taking a focus item instead of a shield if e-denial is an issue). Hexing is also effective against UB.
All things considering, the thing that seems to be somewhat overpowered is the raw DPS capability. I expect that once the player base has gotten enough norn reputation the damage from ursan skills will be somewhat toned down (and that will cause much dismay and name calling as usual
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by Mello_Macabre
Wait, so you are complaining about something that is your advantage, and the enemy can't complain about it, it speeds things up, and you want a nerf?
Intelligence, please. Well I don't want to be told to bring some imba-cheat skill when I pug for, say, Urgoz hard mode or something like that. My own bar kills stuff good enough when I keep my wits about me. If I want a game to be ridiculously easy I'll play patience. Time > Skill wasn't it?
Intelligence, please. Well I don't want to be told to bring some imba-cheat skill when I pug for, say, Urgoz hard mode or something like that. My own bar kills stuff good enough when I keep my wits about me. If I want a game to be ridiculously easy I'll play patience. Time > Skill wasn't it?
Draccor The Great
As far as I can see is the only time a pve skill gets nerfed is when a pvp player uses it. They start complaining its to strong in pvp the spike is to much nerf it. Stick to your pvp areas and we will stick to our pve areas.
I run with a guildmate of mine been running for about 2 years together. Hes been healing my over aggroing butt for 2 years and said I dont wanna heal now i wanna try something different. This skill gives you a means of going out in HM and just haveing lots of fun.
Let ppl have there pve only skills no need to nerf them. Everyone needs something different they can use on their favorite character to use. They can play it from the way it was meant to be. Like my buddie ran ursan on his monk and I on my tank went all healing it was different and fun and a change.
So just leave pve only skills as they are makes the game have a different point of view. Unless they start solo farming with it I dont see a problem with it.
I run with a guildmate of mine been running for about 2 years together. Hes been healing my over aggroing butt for 2 years and said I dont wanna heal now i wanna try something different. This skill gives you a means of going out in HM and just haveing lots of fun.
Let ppl have there pve only skills no need to nerf them. Everyone needs something different they can use on their favorite character to use. They can play it from the way it was meant to be. Like my buddie ran ursan on his monk and I on my tank went all healing it was different and fun and a change.
So just leave pve only skills as they are makes the game have a different point of view. Unless they start solo farming with it I dont see a problem with it.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Draccor The Great
I can't help but wonder if people compare PvE skills to normal skills too much though when it comes to skill balancing? They are, after all, meant to make PvE easier for those who want it to be so. I can count the number of PvE skills I want to use on less than half a hand, and only then because they're fun. I prefer my own builds and wont use most PvE skills simply because they're there.
What I don't agree with though is someone using a full Ursanway build to BBQPWN an area, and then shouting "nerf!" because it's all too easy. So...you want to use an Ursanway build but destroy the skill for those who want to use it on their own with henchmen? I don't agree with that. It is powerful, granted, but at least it's elite.
Orinn
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Originally Posted by Targuil
It is armor ignoring dmg. Fireball or most else fast recharging things aren't.
Untrue. The damage is reduced by armor as normal. As the attacks are skills, though, they can hit through heavy blocking and blinds that normally render melee ineffectual. I bring it because it's solid DPS that is a lot more resistant to melee-hate than normal builds.