Hey Anet Let's have a No Heroes No Henchies Weekend??!

/notsigned

But A.Net could include a seperate district for players who like to PuG (for one weekend). This suggestion won’t force… sorry… encourage other players to pug, but grouping would be much easier.

I wonder how empty this district would be…

that would be the point of Party Search window i think
(dunno really, never tried that)

Does this mean the OP often comes up with awesome ideas like that one?

No, because I wont be able to complete half of the NF missions for a weekend. I just started going for Guardian of Elona.

only if we have a no map travel weekend afterwards, and then a no storage weekend.

I know! we could have "random weekend" when random game mechanisms would be deactivated for our fun!

you forgot "random err007" events

(oh wait, it's a permanent game feature already )

Awww, but then the only thing this weekend could do is make you laugh even more .

But really... I don't think its a very good idea. I was pugging with some people to do the Deep the other day, and it was a total mess. Usually the only people i play with are those in my guild or the people on my friends list.

/notsigned

"social" weekens are clearly bad. what the hell are you smoking?

Wrong. Helping people who need advice is one thing. Dragging an incompetent warrior through a mission who runs away from one group because he took 70 damage and straight into 12 other enemies to die with Frenzy and crying he knows what he's doing and the monks are noobs? I'll get my warrior. See how long you can last.

Why not just retitle this thread...

"PuG versus AI-lover Slamfest XXIV"

The thread that suggested a "7 hero weekend" received the same type of response, just the flipside of the coin. Both could do nothing but alienate the other group more.

Actually jetdoc having 7 heroes doesnt stop people from pugging.


Stopping people from using h/h....stops them quite suprisingly.

You phail, next time buy a brain.

When I started GW, I was a noob yes. I was a big noob in a big noob guild. I used to asked the noobiest questions and learnt from my guildies.

Solution for current noobs in the game? Join a guild that caters to new players. Leave me alone in my all Pro HM alliance and with my heroes and henchmen plzkthnxbye.

I havnt played GW for over two years to be told its funny because I dont help new players. They have a very well informed Wiki now. They have these forums. You can even type /help and /wiki in the game if your having problems and get help for yourself. Or better yet read the manual.

I had a friend's brother frantically PM'ing me asking how to buy new armor and he was pretty much chatting BS. I just put him on ignore where he still is. If he had asked me once only and politely it might have been different.

/signed.

Then I can solo farm in peace with zero lag because so few people are online.

I dont really think this should be done, encouraging groups is fine but forcing is a bit harsh. I think this would be a bit of fun ^^. But Probs a disater. Fun for those "everyone outside my f-list sucks!" types group together and talk about your e-peens for the weekend . Yes there are wammo 12 year olds who agro everything with mending blame the monk then ragequit, who hasnt seen it? But prople need to learn that they arnt the only player in the game who can acctually get somwhere and that PUGing can acctually be fun .

This thread has amused me. For that I will grant the OP his/her wish for one weekend, with the following stipulation:

Friendly fire will also be enabled.

We've debated this at length in another thread, and I'm not going to continue it here.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your view, and if they implemented such a weekend, I would gather you would see the number of PuGs available plummet significantly during that weekend.

Hey, Red Sonya! I'll be your friend ...
@ 1 platinum the hour only!
I think the OP is just jealous of us being capable to commandeer Heroes and Henchmen.
That and also very sad and lonely.

At that kind of deal, I'll take you up on that offer. 400 hours and you have to sing "The Wheels On The Bus" to me for the entire time. One mistake and I cut the wages in half each time.

Hm. Good idea, if I wanted to log into a game then fail several times because of lack of compitance in the average PuG.

If someone does not want to do a pick up group, they're entitled to play solo or with guild mates. You have no right to say otherwise.

well thats a weekend i wont load-up GW at all, I can guarantee that.
i'll pug once in a while, but if i can't even do the simplest quest with henchmen then i don't really wan't to play. people just aren't reliable the way heroes are.

To be fair to both sides in this, the no H/H weekend would be rude to those who want to go solo and everything. There is truth to both sides of the debate, there are the stuck up wammos who run off and ragequite etc. and there are also the elitist snobs who won't be bothered to help anyone with anything unless they're on their f-list

now I try to see both sides in thise debate and give each side an equal say but this post just flatly pissess me off, you couldn't make this any more elitist if you replaced every other letter with a number. now I've met some god awful players in my time in GW but you're the first that actually makes me ashamed to be playing GW.
This is the kind of arrogance our community has reached now? Good God people

I can understand when you have players like BlackSephir and Witchblade and Bhavv in your group.

/ not signed

I can see it now, no sins, sins can't tank and they suck

This is gonna be the weekend I dont want to play, why would they force us to play with people who dont have a basic understanding of the game?

Because you once didn't have a basic understanding of the game.

Okay, let's consider my situation. I'm in Australia, on the American server (where most of my guild is). Generally, on weekdays, when I get on it's the small hours of the morning over in the America (at this time of the year - in the middle of the year, I might just get on before midnight in the US). That's time I spend running around doing quests, easily H/Hable missions, and stuff like that. Generally during these periods I'm doing things like watching programs on television, eating dinner, and the like as well, so I don't really feel as if I should be joining a party when I might not have my full attention on the game.

Generally, the MMO aspect only comes into play on the weekends, which is when I can link up with guildies or, if they're not online, that's when I might start looking around some of the outposts for missions or Master quests which benefit from extra players for a PUG. Even then, however, by the time it starts getting into the evening my-time - American players are more likely to stay on late on the weekend (my Sunday evening is your early Sunday morning), but the outpost populations certainly start to drop, so I usually revert to solo play. I'll also have a tendency to revert to solo play if I haven't found a semi-decent-looking PUG within a certain period of looking.

In short: I'm not completely antisocial, but due to what for most people is a weird time, I simply don't have the opportunity to PUG that most people do - so I've learned to H/H most things in a pinch. And while I'd certainly welcome an event that leads to more opportunities to form a group, I'll have to say that I've also had a lot of experience that shows that, for quite a few quests and missions, H/Hing it is more reliable than the typical PUG. The important thing, however, is that if the H/H option is removed entirely during an event, that stops me from having pretty much anything at all that I can do during the periods when the outposts are pretty much empty due to it being the small hours of the morning in America.

i really wonder what your problem is. why should it be everyone's responsibility to group with pugs. is it to help new players? hey thats good and all but its not our responsibility, we have a right to choose what we do and not do. its not being elitist, its not being antisocial, why does being social need to be the main focus in requiring to play the game? outside of pvp that is. its because we dont feel like it, we dont have the time, and we want go through the game at own pace. i bet you are thinking that everyone who started out as a newbie pugged a lot because they wanted help. well when i started out i didnt pug, i used henchmen all the time when i was a newbie and checked the forums to read helpful guides that posters gave on specific classes. i didnt have to pug to gain some knowledge about this game, outside of pvp. even when i played everquest a few years ago, i started out solo.

you should deal with it and accept that most players want to solo and they are not doing any harm. you dont see them bothering and forcing you to solo, so dont try to force your playstyle on them. and guess what, all mmo's support solo play too. i am glad arena net slightly improved henchmen ai and gave heroes to support solo players. it looks like they are still going to support solo players in guild wars 2 because you can venture areas complete solo without having a full party. you think they wont have heroes and henchmen, well they will in a form of companions for solo players who need that extra boost.

if you still going to try make everyone play "together", well technically we are. the definition of an mmo also means having mulitple players online and playing in the same server of the game simultaneously. so even if we are not partied up, we are technically playing the game "together." so leave the solo players alone, let them do their thing. you go play with your pugs and find like minded players who want to pug too. just get off the solo players backs for petesake. for someone who want force pugging a lot, i get the feeling you dont have real life friends and dont want to be alone but i am guessing that its not true. although when someone talks about solo players and wants them to forcefully pug, i am starting to think it is true.

I'd rather have them than you.

And using only henchies i turned out fine =D

We'd be fine, I managed to get all 3 Protectors on my A using only H/H.

I found something that sums this topic pretty nicely.

This is the bit that most people here just don't get. You do actually force me to solo at times, there are lots of situations where there are 8+ players at a mission outpost, every one of each with a full H/H in the party. While I could form a hybrid human-hero party with some of them this opportunity is taken away from me this way.

This is something you people are also getting a bit wrong. While indeed you are the only real person in such party it's far from doing things solo. It's you + 7 AIs and this is quite different. You are not given a choice to group up with other players or not - you are given a choice of having real players or script controlled NPCs. And while it's a great solution on one hand, on the other there are things that no real person will exceed the AI (eg. interrupting). Heroes don't complain, don't go AFK, don't leave the party. This is a double bladed sword. Computer controlled teammates actually make the real ones impatient and fussy.

As much as I find WoW the most boring game in the world, it actually rewards people for their team efforts. And hell, this is what MMO should be about. For some reason people play CS with other people and not with bots. Whatever you say I still find little purpose of playing a massive multiplayer game solo for 99% of the time. Such games should support solo play of course, because it would be pure madness if you had to assemble a full human party for everything, but they also should encourage team play at some points.

And seriously, talking about people in need of friends online because of lack of such in real life is simply pathetic. Even if that's the case nobody of us here is in the position to criticize it. Some people are shy, have difficulties with meeting new people or live in the middle of nowhere. For those lads and gals internet is sometimes the only way to be a part of any 'community' as you are given full anonymity. And if you still wanna say something about geeks and nerds consider the fact that you are killing virtual enemies to buy a virtual weapon for your virtual hero from a person at the other end of the world.
Say, how many of you have a profile on MySpace or FaceBook? Don't you have friends in real life?

/notsigned

Let players who like to play single free to do so.

I remember when I was new to the game,and yes I did try to pug. But I found the people to be so rude that I just took the henchmen. They didnt talk nasty to me because I was new or I didnt yet have the skill they thought I should. They actually stuck with me and helped out! (Imagine that!) Just to ask a simple question in Ascalon was an invitation for snide remarks. And as time went on, it didnt get any better. Even today (2 years later) its not any better. And like i said before, I do not want to have to put up with the child that thinks hes some sort of god, runs ahead of the group and dies and cusses the monk for not healing him. Like the monk really wants to fallow someone that hasnt the brains to stick with the group. And yes, there is always some that do that, and it gets old fast. I am not insociable, I like people in general, have a few friends, in game and in RL, but dont feel the need to socalize with a geroup of people that i have nothing in common with. most being between the age of 12 to 22. I could care less about their last drunk, or what sally did to john at school today. Let alone the ...damn you monk, why didnt you heal me you f...king noob....(xxx has left the game). So yes, once again, I think its a bad idea.

Hey Mod, lets close this thread before this Weekend??!

Well, i dont see anything wrong with not wanting helping anyone, we are playing the game for fun, while might feel good sometime to help someone its not fun when its forced on you.
Helping someone is something i decide. And when helping someone is a duty? if you need know something i will say press f10 or just reply you in chat, dont ask me to pug with you.

PLUS all the help need to beat the game in NM and most of HM you can get by pressing f10. it take few minute while people seem be expecting complete stranger to help them for halfhour or more.

while it might seem make sense your reasoning are wrong.

You are blaming other people who choosed to do something else (doing the mission with hero instead of pugs) forcing you to h/h. do you blame people are trading / pvping / chatting becouse they are not playing the mission with you as well?


its not the fact hero dont do that stuff who make people choose h/h but the fact real player do the stuff you mentioned

if someone go afk, rage etc will make me angry no matter what the hero do.

Obviously, such a weekend should never actually be done. Too many thin-skinned people can't tolerate their fellow humans. And we're all spread too thin across 4 games and 2 modes.

But I agree with the sentiment. I miss the days before Nightfall, when everyone still had a choice between playing with AI's or humans, but most people chose humans. Failure rate was a little higher, maybe, but victories were more glorious, and the unpredictability added a ton of excitement.

Why should we tolerate some random idiot? Guildies ftw.

Oh, right. Taking away one of the basic features in the game will make people play.
While we're at it, let's disable map travel![/sarcasm off]

/notsigned

/signed... sounds amusing...