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AnnaCloud9

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Minnesota

Well if you're bored, then you're boring!

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29 Oct 2007 at 22:25 - 41

There are 2 kinds of titles in Guild Wars:

Those that serve no functionality whatsoever in-game (eg. Cartography)
And those that do (eg. Lightbringer)

Those that have no functionality have just one purpose: Self respect, and nothing more. You really need to accept that not everyone is going to achieve the titles in the exact same way as you, so it is honestly much easier to accept your own accomplishments with titles in your own manner, and not compare the methods of achievement with others.

Afterall, it is a casual (albeit painstaking) title to go after.

Now, if only having this title allowed your character +15% movement speed on that continent! Permanently! Now that'd be in-game functionality for ya

Death By Ketchup

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Canada

Eternal Transcendence [DRMR]

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29 Oct 2007 at 22:36 - 42

The way i see it,

Why spend weeks trying to acomplish something, when you can take a easier way and acomplish it in a few days with the same result?
Sure if the reward for doing it the hard way is better then go for it, but if its the exact same, witch it is for GMC whats the point in going the hard way?

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 Oct 2007 at 22:39 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

But for a person to just use a mod to do an entire task, with none of their own effort is lazey!

I'll ask again: How is it lazy to have an easier and more detailed reference for cartographing? The only things these mods are doing is making it less annoying, not any less tedious. The cartographer isn't having their maps explored for them, they just no longer have to compare maps and be able to reduce their bloodpressure thanks to the markings on the maps.

I'd consider it lazy if what these mods did for people was actually map for them. But they don't do that, the person still has the task of having to map every nook and cranny.

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

29 Oct 2007 at 22:44 - 44

Visiting every nook and cranny in Cantha within 1 day? Even with a card mod. 24 hours playing perhaps.
< LGMC been there done that. Din't get the t-shirt

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

29 Oct 2007 at 22:51 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'll ask again: How is it lazy to have an easier and more detailed reference for cartographing? The only things these mods are doing is making it less annoying, not any less tedious. The cartographer isn't having their maps explored for them, they just no longer have to compare maps and be able to reduce their bloodpressure thanks to the markings on the maps.

I'd consider it lazy if what these mods did for people was actually map for them. But they don't do that, the person still has the task of having to map every nook and cranny.

Your using a tool and/or aid to modify the actual game to accomplish a task which can be completed without them. That is lazey!!!

If this mod was originally part of the game and it was an option to activate it and use it, then I would say otherwise. How ever this tool and/or mod isnt part of the game. Your using resources from an external source to mod the gaming code.

Any person who uses a mod ingame to complete a task which can be done without using it, is being lazey!

Im not saying they havent the right to be lazey, and their welcome to. But I think its fair to say that I (who accomplished legendary cartographer before the mod even existed) can have more pride in my LG then someone who uses the mod.

You might disagree, but thats how I feel. Atleast I can say "I achieved 100% on all without using the mod" and have some pride in my title.

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

29 Oct 2007 at 22:58 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykoone

The cartography mod was created for the sole purpose of helping those who continued posting on the forums about not being able to find the last 1%. Yes, there were people offering to do map comparisons, but rather than wait on someone else to provide you with the locations, I decided to make this mod so the comparisons could be done on the fly. While it wasn't intended for permanent use, I assumed some would use it on new characters to clear zones as they went. To consider this mod as cheating is the same as saying map comparisons are cheating. The only difference is the immediate gratification the mod provide.

Even using the mod, however, you are still required to scrape the edges, go through all the zones, slaughter your way through the mobs. So of all the titles, this is still one of the more difficult to attain.

Wow, you made the mod. Nice.

To be quite honest I think people are getting worked up over nothing. I don't see any difference in comparing maps in photoshop to a mod. By running several filters you can get the same effect very quickly - the difference? Alt-Tab.

How many people can't technically run the mod as opposed to don't want to run the mod? To be perfectly honest this will make those last .1%s on maps much easier in the future, as my previous recourse was to take lots of pictures and post them here and have others run the comparison for me, because missing .1% after all that work was a pain.

Is it cheating? I wouldn't consider it cheating. However I have always considered the Eredon Terrace glitch a little cheap. I managed to get 99.9% without JQ or any of the glitches around. If I'd not got into JQ quite accidently one day - which is to say there was a lot of luck involved - I possibly would have been able to scrape that last 0.1% off somewhere after a lot more edge crawling. I think it is terrific that these tools are now available for those who wish to use them in game. No more complaining about how that last little pixel is eluding you, or alt-tabbing to a 100% version and alt-tabbing back to make an eye-to-eye comparison, or waiting/hoping for someone to finish your PS comparison.

If you consider this cheating then any form of merely looking at a 100% map is cheating too - not so say anything of the Eredon Terrace or Raisu glitches.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

29 Oct 2007 at 22:59 - 47

I find it hilarious how people are using the word “pride” in this thread. Your pressing some buttons on a keyboard in video games for some words beneath your character in outposts... What is there to be proud of? Lol

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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29 Oct 2007 at 23:00 - 48

Meh, the only difference between the texmod plugin and comparing maps is that one is in game and more convenient, not to mention easier on the eye.

If anyone has downloaded or compared their map to someone else's 100 % map they're still looking at it with the help of a previous cartographer. So hey ho, everyone's lazy unless they visited every zone with no outside help whatsoever and squeezed their ass into every crack on the map till their eyes bled.

And yeh I have LGMC, but I don't begrudge other people getting it through that method at all. In fact as this thread pertains to Cantha, they couldn't have mapped to 100% without completing the game first. Cantha's compass range is a lot smaller than Tyria and it probably has the smallest leeway out of the lot. I have a big splodge missing (by the portals) on Hell's Precipice and still got 100%.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

29 Oct 2007 at 23:02 - 49

I am slightly worried about the safety of this mod. You download it off wiki, which anyone can use so someone could change it. If the OP was so outraged about this mod then why is he telling the public about it? o.O Unless the OP wants to draw attention to the mod because he switched the file with a diffrent file with a trojan so he keylog people can get rich? o.O

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

29 Oct 2007 at 23:03 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

I find it hilarious how people are using the word “pride” in this thread. Your pressing some buttons on a keyboard in video games for some words beneath your character in outposts... What is there to be proud of? Lol

If you play a game for 2 years, for about 2-3 hours a night, there is nothing wrong with taking some pride in what you've accomplished in that time.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

29 Oct 2007 at 23:05 - 51

Question. How many people who got Legendary Skill Hunter look up where bosses spawn? Do you just run around the map wildly hoping that last elite you need pops up somewhere, not even knowing if you're in the correct zone?

Just because tools didn't exist back in your day, doesn't mean people should ignore them and do it "the hard way" for "respect," or as I like to call it "e-Peen."

PureEvilYak

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Somewhere Luxon Alignment: Chaos

The Dark Fortress

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29 Oct 2007 at 23:11 - 52

I map while vanquishing. The mod is great to make sure you don't hurry and miss bits. I do find the vast amount of leg. cartographers a bit demoralizing though.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

29 Oct 2007 at 23:15 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by PureEvilYak

I map while vanquishing. The mod is great to make sure you don't hurry and miss bits. I do find the vast amount of leg. cartographers a bit demoralizing though.

Is your account till safe and intact?

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

29 Oct 2007 at 23:18 - 54

It's a title that doesn't affect anything for anyone. Someone else having Legendary Cartographer doesn't ruin your gameplay. A thousand Legendary Cartographers don't ruin your gameplay either. If they use an "automatic" map comparison instead of bringing screenshots into Photoshop, kudos to them for saving themselves extra and far more tedious work. You think you're going to earn more respect going "I used Photoshop for this for countless hours!"? Nuh-uh. I couldn't care less how you spent your time, or how much of that time you spent.

As someone wrote earlier, this thread is nothing but a "Why back in my day...!"

This "outrage" is hilarious.

@Toxage: TexMod is a completely safe utility. It doesn't change anything but graphics.

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

29 Oct 2007 at 23:27 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by unienaule

Question. How many people who got Legendary Skill Hunter look up where bosses spawn? Do you just run around the map wildly hoping that last elite you need pops up somewhere, not even knowing if you're in the correct zone?

Just because tools didn't exist back in your day, doesn't mean people should ignore them and do it "the hard way" for "respect," or as I like to call it "e-Peen."

I think you have it down right now.

And I could care less if some other person thinks I'm lazy. I sure as hell am not gonna waste weeks going through areas finding small parts.

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

29 Oct 2007 at 23:27 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by unienaule

Question. How many people who got Legendary Skill Hunter look up where bosses spawn? Do you just run around the map wildly hoping that last elite you need pops up somewhere, not even knowing if you're in the correct zone?

Just because tools didn't exist back in your day, doesn't mean people should ignore them and do it "the hard way" for "respect," or as I like to call it "e-Peen."

I do, in fact the 'Mapping Out' tool from this very forum is a joy to use. I can find out in seconds which characters need which elites, and the info is saved for me for future reference. I used to use an excel sheet to record elites before, Mapping Out is a godsend IMO.

Only have Canthan hunter so far, as I need more cash before I do the other two.

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

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29 Oct 2007 at 23:32 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Your using a tool and/or aid to modify the actual game to accomplish a task which can be completed without them. That is lazey!!!

If this mod was originally part of the game and it was an option to activate it and use it, then I would say otherwise. How ever this tool and/or mod isnt part of the game. Your using resources from an external source to mod the gaming code.

Any person who uses a mod ingame to complete a task which can be done without using it, is being lazey!

Im not saying they havent the right to be lazey, and their welcome to. But I think its fair to say that I (who accomplished legendary cartographer before the mod even existed) can have more pride in my LG then someone who uses the mod.

You might disagree, but thats how I feel. Atleast I can say "I achieved 100% on all without using the mod" and have some pride in my title.

Hey, have you ever used a calculator? Or a computer for a word processor? Apply your reasoning to these.

You got LCG without the mod. Great for you. What's your complaint again? People will do things the way they want to. You can take pride in whatever you want; it doesn't matter to me or to anyone else.

On a second note, your posts are full of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors that make my eyes bleed. xD

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

29 Oct 2007 at 23:38 - 58

I just downloaded the file, sure it helps, but it is in no way a disadvantage, i still end up going the wrong way sometimes

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:40 - 59

In it the OP said that it didn't take any skill because they used texmods. However if his friends didn't use texmods it wouldn't have taken skill there either. GMC is just respected for the amount of time it takes there is absolutely no skill required. Besides you said that not finding the glitch of Eredon Terrace lessens the amount of skill required. It's a glitch that should definitely not be skill

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 Oct 2007 at 23:41 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

But for a person to just use a mod to do an entire task, with none of their own effort is lazey!

Okay then. What mod are you referring to that does this? Because it is certainly not any of the cartography mods.

pixiLated

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Resident Gutter Dweller

Shards of the Silver Moon [MooN]

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29 Oct 2007 at 23:43 - 61

I just wish the "Cartographer Made Easy" TexMod had been out when I got LGMC for my warrior and my ele.

Will I use it to get LGMC for my ranger? You bet your ass I will.

Titles like this mean something only to the people that have them. I'm proud of my LGMC's, and to me they have meaning. Do I care if someone else has LGMC and how they got it? Do I hell, I couldnt care less what titles other people have.

So what if they use TexMod? Fair play to them on their tactical use of resources

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

29 Oct 2007 at 23:43 - 62

I call bullshit on this whole post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqual

Yesterday these two guys popped up on my window and started bragging that they had done Canthan GMC in a day.

Right... It's not physically possible to cover every inch of Cantha in 24 hours, even with constant run speed boosts. These guys must have started with well over 90% mapped already. I did it from 70%ish and it took me over a week. There's no way they covered everything in a day without a huge headstart.

Quote:

What was even more annoying.... this mod was so good that one of them hadn't even been into JQ and neither of them even knew about the Eredon Terrace glitch.

Super bullshit. I've used this mod. I've uncovered every bit of fog it shows. I've also uncovered a good 0.4% or so that the mod-makers missed. (Yes, I submitted the data to them to help them improve the next version.) And I only had 99.6% without Terrace Glitch or JQ. There's no way to get 100% using only what the mod shows you without either JQ or Terrace Glitch. The mod simply doesn't show enough fog. And I'm very close to certain that it's absolutely impossible anyway, because 100% worth of fog doesn't exist outside of those two areas. (I challenge you to produce a screenshot of a 100% map that doesn't include at least one of those two areas to prove me wrong.)

Quote:

So no actual skill involved.

How exactly do looking up the Terrace Glitch on the wiki and signing up for a JQ mapping session on the forums qualify as "skill"?

Quote:

Spend 45 minutes killing every monster in a zone, and tracing the walls to get 0.1%? Or spend 2 minutes with a running build going from the nearest portal directly to the spot that will give you 0.1%?

The mod does not tell you what place you need to stand in to uncover spot X, only that spot X needs to be uncovered. Sometimes the spot you need to stand in is pretty far away from the spot to be uncovered, often further away than a whole bunch of closer and more logical-seeming spots. Heck, sometimes it's hard to tell which ZONE the spot that uncovers spot X is in. Moreover, you've still got to kill the monsters because, running skills or no, they're not going to give you time to work back and forth on the wall until you find the right spot. And running skills make you jump past small nooks in the wall anyway...

I think you really need to educate yourself about what this mod does and doesn't do before you bashing it like this.

King Kong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

29 Oct 2007 at 23:53 - 63

Maybe if ANET made the fog look better to start with, people wouldn't have to use mods!

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

29 Oct 2007 at 23:53 - 64

People should use the resources given. If you are allowed to take home a test... bring your textbook.

And YAY to the above post. A lot of parts I went to and couldn't even tell if they were fogged or not... and then some areas don't unfog and you still get % for it.

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:54 - 65

Chthon - my understanding and experience is that it is probably possible to get 100% without JQ or Eredon. I was 99.9% before I got into JQ and I couldn't get the Eredon glitch to work no matter how I tried. I did however have monastry outlook with is a good 0.3-0.4% over the 100%, and the arena outpost which gives ~0.2%, once again over and above the 100% on offer for Cantha. Furthermore map-checkers here on guru were certain I could get that last 0.1% off Raisu mission in the banishable area.

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

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29 Oct 2007 at 23:56 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

If you play a game for 2 years, for about 2-3 hours a night, there is nothing wrong with taking some pride in what you've accomplished in that time.

You haven't accomplished anything.

Also, stop telling me how to play my game.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

30 Oct 2007 at 00:02 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

Chthon - my understanding and experience is that it is probably possible to get 100% with JQ or Eredon. I was 99.9% before I got into JQ and I couldn't get the Eredon glitch to work no matter how I tried. I did however have monastry out look with is a good 0.3-0.4% over the 100%, and the arena outpost which gives ~0.2%, once again over and above the 100% on offer for Cantha. Furthermore map-checkers here on guru were certain I could get that last 0.1% off Raisu mission in the banishable area.

By gosh, I think you may be right. I forgot about that arena. Maybe Canthan-born characters could get 100% without either Terrace or JQ. But it would be one extremely tough row to hoe... and it would take a pretty big amount of stuff beyond what the mod shows.

If you still want to get into the Terrace glitch, PM me and I'll show you sometime.

On a related note, Skyoone, were my screenshots usable for your mapper?

Kula

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

West Coast, USA

Mo/E

30 Oct 2007 at 00:11 - 68

I've been stuck at 96.x% forever in Tyria. A mod like this would be appreciated, but I wouldn't use it until I have tried the old-fashioned way first and get as much as possible on my own (right before I go crazy trying to find the slivers of fog I missed)..

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

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30 Oct 2007 at 00:14 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

On a related note, Skyoone, were my screenshots usable for your mapper?

They were. He's going to try to finish mapping those new areas in the next week or so, with the updated mod soon to follow.

And I'm truly loving the amount of publicity this post is generating. Since it went up, there has been an increase in average daily downloads of the mod. So the OP's rant of how unfair it is is doing nothing but advertising it to those who may have missed it the first time around.

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

30 Oct 2007 at 00:23 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykoone

And I'm truly loving the amount of publicity this post is generating. Since it went up, there has been an increase in average daily downloads of the mod. So the OP's rant of how unfair it is is doing nothing but advertising it to those who may have missed it the first time around.

Yup, I just downloaded the GW:EN /Tyria as I'm probably missing some parts of the new areas. Nice job skyoone, it's a great mod.

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

30 Oct 2007 at 00:32 - 71

Summary of thread:

Use the mod because it will save you lots of time and frustration. If you don't, you'll end up posting a QQ thread where others will make fun of you.

Did I miss anything?

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

30 Oct 2007 at 00:34 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

People should use the resources given. If you are allowed to take home a test... bring your textbook.

You win the thread.

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

30 Oct 2007 at 00:49 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Maybe Canthan-born characters could get 100% without either Terrace or JQ. But it would be one extremely tough row to hoe... and it would take a pretty big amount of stuff beyond what the mod shows.

i have Canthan gmc on my Tyrian necro without JQ and Terrace glitch..

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

30 Oct 2007 at 00:50 - 74

The OP is advertising this mod for a reason... I would bet that he changed the file on wiki with a different file containing the mod with a key logger. Wiki doesn't seem like the best place to store files since anyone can edit it.

jezz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

R/

30 Oct 2007 at 00:54 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Im allowed to express my opinion about whether I like or dont like mods. If you read what I wrote, I said IMO they are ok if they are aiding someone after they have put atleast some effort in.

But for a person to just use a mod to do an entire task, with none of their own effort is lazey!

That doesnt mean im saying dont do it, because ive earnt my own titles myself without any mods or advantages. I can say that with prid! But if you dont mind how it reflects on you by using a mod then go ahead.

It doesnt bother me any.

yes it is your opinion...but not your right to tell others how they should play or use their own computer to aid them in getting end goal faster or more efficiently..it still takes a great deal of work..and those guys bragging in OP it doesnt say wether or not they had already completed all missions and have gone back with mod to get those bits they missed in a day...

to achieve title..

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

E/

30 Oct 2007 at 00:56 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

The OP is advertising this mod for a reason... I would bet that he changed the file on wiki with a different file containing the mod with a key logger. Wiki doesn't seem like the best place to store files since anyone can edit it.

The file isn't hosted on the wiki. The wiki just contains an index of mods. The actual mod file is hosted on a mediafire account that cannot be modified by just anyone. The file is nothing but a .tpf file usable only by Texmod. So please, before you go spouting off about how you think there might be a keylogger or some such, at least get your facts straight.

Kula

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

West Coast, USA

Mo/E

30 Oct 2007 at 00:56 - 77

"Someone at xx.x.xxx.xxx has reset your Guild Wars Game Account password for account [email protected]. If you did not make this change, please contact support immediately at [email protected]."

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

30 Oct 2007 at 01:02 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by seut

i have Canthan gmc on my Tyrian necro without JQ and Terrace glitch..

Chthon - my Tyrian mesmer is the one with the title

I got the outlook during one of the games events weekends. And the outpost of the arena along is worth 0.2% so I don't know if you can get anymore in the arena itself, I never took any of my Canthan born characters there.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

30 Oct 2007 at 01:05 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykoone

The file isn't hosted on the wiki. The wiki just contains an index of mods. The actual mod file is hosted on a mediafire account that cannot be modified by just anyone. The file is nothing but a .tpf file usable only by Texmod. So please, before you go spouting off about how you think there might be a keylogger or some such, at least get your facts straight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kula

"Someone at xx.x.xxx.xxx has reset your Guild Wars Game Account password for account [email protected]. If you did not make this change, please contact support immediately at [email protected]."

Ya texmod sure is safe...

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

30 Oct 2007 at 01:07 - 80

It is safe

Why are you making a seemingly random connection between Texmod and this password reset?

Don't be a sillyhead.