What is more important to you in a team: Aptitude or Attitude? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

29 Oct 2007 at 19:31 - 41

Attitude, definitely. If someone is willing to learn, I can usually teach them whatever they need to know to finish a given zone. But there's not a damned thing I can do to make an asshole not an asshole.

I might add that...

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

stuck-up, sociopathic arseholes who ignore the team-leader...

...often results in a broken aggro and/or overaggro just as much as a "noob" who charges in or doesn't watch their radar well. And...

Quote:

...and abuse other members of the team whenever they make a mistake...

...often results in time wasted squabbling, poorer play from the criticized team member trying to play in a "uncriticizable" way, and ragequits that doom the team. I don't care how good of an orders necro you think you are; you aren't worth losing the monk halfway through because they got fed up with your insults.

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

The arrogant "OMG UR SOOO STOOPID!!!" jerks are noobs too. I haven't met one yet that was truly a good player. They spend all their energy griping and none fighting.

I agree. Players who insult others are generally very poor players themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Golden rule ... anyone or any group calling itself "pro" is best avoided.

Quoted for profound truth. Self-declared "pro" players never are. The same usually goes for "exp" players too.

Btw: Nice thread concept, SotiCoto.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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29 Oct 2007 at 19:35 - 42

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Stuck up people maybe, so often arseholes are nice people underneath, but the nice people are arseholes. Unless I'm in a specific mood, I won't hang around long enough to educate someone at the game. Again, it depends. Some people make a good impression regardless of if they're arseholes or not.

Coming from you..that totally figures you would say that hahahaha.

I don't like playing with jerks, but I'm not always in the mood to teach people either. I like to play with people that can handle the game on their own and mind their own business for the most part. Or at least don't have to be retards in the MMO definition.

As for that dude that had his guildie get trash talked too because of his armor. Most people seem to think that Platemail is noob armor and that if you don't have 15k or something, you're horrible. Those people are the retards I was talking about.

dark_prince2023

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

29 Oct 2007 at 19:42 - 43

I'm a polite Noob trying to change and learn for the best still don't get into very many groups due to hero's. But when I do I always do my best to follow orders. I just don't get very much time to play but when I do I kinda wish I had people to play with.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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29 Oct 2007 at 19:52 - 44

Yeah, that whole "you must have Elite Armor or get lost!" attitude sucks. I've encountered that too often when trying to fit into a Deep or Fow pug. The elite jerks seem to think that if you don't have Elite armor you aren't a good enough player to buy it. Personally, I have enough gold in storage to buy a full set of Obsidian armor if I wanted it. I don't. I buy whichever armor set I think looks the best. Fortunately I thought the cheapo stuff looked best.

Also a good rule of thumb is never join the pugs in town that are saying:
"GLF more for mission/bonus. 5/8 - ******** EXP ONLY ****** NO RETARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Also if someone joins your pug and the only thing they are capable of saying after joining is "gogogogo!!! Go now! go! go!! go!!!", just kick 'em before leaving and save yourself some headaches later.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

29 Oct 2007 at 19:58 - 45

attitude .

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

29 Oct 2007 at 20:44 - 46

I'll take aptitude. I only PuG if I want something done, and done right. And it's rare that my heros can't suffice.

blood4blood

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

29 Oct 2007 at 21:04 - 47

Both.

I H/H most everything in PvE because of the sad lack of either to be found in most PUG's.

If I played PvP in GW, aptitude ftw (literally ftw).

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

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29 Oct 2007 at 21:19 - 48

Quote:

Would you sooner team up with people who are very individually capable at the game, but are stuck-up, sociopathic arseholes who ignore the team-leader and abuse other members of the team whenever they make a mistake...

I prefer these people, because I like them more. Plus, it means I can rage my face off at them if they screw up, which usually stops their bad attitudes almost straight away.

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

29 Oct 2007 at 21:28 - 49

I think... I prefer my heroes. They have both [or atleast Ollie does]: attitude and aptitude.

Saphrium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Granite Citadel

Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants

N/Me

29 Oct 2007 at 21:28 - 50

It depends on my mood.

When I finished the game and just want to help out with something, attitude is good even when skills are not, I can get a good laugh and have fun doing it.

When doing a serious misson or quest or elite area, I prefer a person speaks things that matters and effectively, screw the pleasantries and get things done right.

magi of the light

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Virginia

NINE

R/E

29 Oct 2007 at 21:34 - 51

lets face it...most of the time your not really forced to make that choice....well atleast i dont...most of the time your faced with a mixture or players with mid skill levels. so yea this thread is utterly pointless...

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

29 Oct 2007 at 21:34 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Both. Generally the people with bad builds are also the idiots who refuse to change their leetsauce riposte necro build for anyone.

... and I like it.

Anyho, stuck between competent assholes and friendly noobs?
Uuuhh... If I've got time to waste, the noobs. If not, the assholes. Simple as that.

Though... I'd probably try and solo it if H/H / Guildies were out of the question.

Rinadan Farhunt

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

In the land of the horny gollochs.

To Rise From The Ashes [Rise]

R/W

29 Oct 2007 at 21:54 - 53

I would pick polite noobs, in my opinion they are much better than "skilled" players, because they will usually accept advice or instructions, meaning a smoother trip. The "skilled" players will have their own uber-leet (Tm) way of doing it...

Avoid "pro" and "exp" teams at all costs. Avoid anything which consdiders having r3 Hero to be uber-leet (Tm).

However, I always like to have one "skilled player" ie "git" on my team so that we can all shout at them when they start getting all "pro" on us

SpriteSODA

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Israel

One Life To Live Again

Me/E

29 Oct 2007 at 21:55 - 54

a team of Gregory House *shudders*

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

29 Oct 2007 at 21:59 - 55

I prefer a group that likes to have fun and knows what they are doing. I dont like assholes that only want loot and are stubborn. basically I only play with guildies normally because they are the only ones I trust.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

29 Oct 2007 at 22:02 - 56

ATTITUDE!!!! I'd rather take a person in my party who will be co-operative and want to work together and succeed. Someone who won't mind taking advice about what skills they could be using to help ensure success. Someone who gives positive input into the party's make-up and skill sets.

You can keep the noobs (and I DON'T mean Newbs) who won't listen to advice about improving their skill bar, even when the one they swear by is absolute crap. You can keep the elitist jack-asses that think they're the only ones that know how every profession should be played and if you don't conform to their wishes and do it their way, "you suck and should go die." And the ones who INSIST that they know where to go/how to do a mission or quest who actually don't...AAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Rinadan Farhunt

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

In the land of the horny gollochs.

To Rise From The Ashes [Rise]

R/W

29 Oct 2007 at 22:08 - 57

Anyone who thinks they know how best to do every profession in every situation is wrong. And a git. When I'm leading a party, I might interfere wit the rangers' builds (being a ranger myself), but I don't know much about monks/mesmers/ritualists, so I won't tell them how to be a monk/mesmer/ritualist. I just tell themwhat they need to accomplish, and they take what they think they need (after all, the monk will know moreabout being a monk than the ranger will).

Ken34

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

NJ

The Maella Abbey[Wii]

W/Mo

29 Oct 2007 at 22:21 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equaliser

I am currently in a guild with very few activity players so I have plenty of experience with PuG groups.

In my experience people who think they are great and show it seldom displayed their skills when in missions. They would usually die after couple of encounters then blame the tank for no tanking or the monk for not healing then leave. Your group will then be forced to resign or continue without them.

Whereas you can generally compete a mission with newbies who are welling to learn. It may take more time giving them instructions but they generally get the job done.

So I have to say attitude certainly beat aptitude.

i only have 2 other active members in my guild, so i have alot of PuG experience as well, and IMO, there is more to it, then the arrogant and the nOOb, as a matter a fact, I think i see a mixture of the two more often than not, for example, im sure youve teamed with someone who is not only arrogant and wont listen, but also sucks too, its happen too many times, where someone draws a line on the map, and some dude aggros a group and then has the nerve to run back to us with the group...one time it was monk who did this, give that food for thought. as for the pro player being arrogant, luckily, i havent really run into those yet, most of the good players ive teamed with have nice attitudes. but there is just one proffession i refuse to use in a PuG, that is the monk...it is just not right. they need to remove monks from guild wars for GW2, that is the worst profession in the game for PuGs...it should not exist. ive gotten in too many fights, i just hate when a warrior runs into aggro, dies in 3 hits, and then calls me the n00b...

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

29 Oct 2007 at 22:30 - 59

IF Attitude > Aptitude THEN
{GTFO}

ELSEIF Aptitude > Attitude THEN
{Go}

ELSE
{Load.AI}

END IF

Rinadan Farhunt

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

In the land of the horny gollochs.

To Rise From The Ashes [Rise]

R/W

29 Oct 2007 at 22:34 - 60

It always amuses me to wonder how many of the people posting here are the arrogant gits or the "pros"...

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

29 Oct 2007 at 22:37 - 61

Please do not neglect the possibility that the players you want to group with are both, inept plus bad attitude.

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

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29 Oct 2007 at 22:48 - 62

I like to play with people that are good at the game and that also have a good attitude, lol

Out of your two choices I pick... HEROS, horray

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

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29 Oct 2007 at 22:52 - 63

Oh, give me the team of newbs from the starting post. Even if we fail it was not all for nothing, at least some things were learned.

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

29 Oct 2007 at 22:55 - 64

I either hero/hench or go with my guild. Either way, I don't have to worry about people being bad or not listening. Win win situation.

Blanche Neige

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

Caracas, Venezuela

E/

29 Oct 2007 at 23:00 - 65

I totally prefer polite newbies than jerks ''elitists pro's''.
Sometimes when i see pugs saying ''glf more for x thing NO NOOBS PLZ!'' or something similar i dont ever join them, even if they invite me i don't accept. I never liked that kind of ''elitist pro's'' that thinks that everyone are noobs except themselfs.

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:07 - 66

Attitude is everything. I don't care about experience level or skills - we were all new at one stage or another.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:12 - 67

Aptitude all the way. If a newb wants to learn fine by me but honestly I don't wanna teach him or her.

Xanthier

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

England

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

29 Oct 2007 at 23:13 - 68

I'd prefer to party with friendly people regardless of experience in PvE. PvP is essentially similar, but every now and then I team up with someone who seems like an elitist idiot and put up with it.

Oddly enough, I had quite a bit of fun when I met an elitist who actually spent 10 minutes chatting with me about skills before kicking about 15 people for not being good enough, plus kicking other SS'ers in later occurrences as I was around. So it all really depends on the viewpoint really. To all the people who got kicked rather fast, no doubt the elitist was unbearable.

pixiLated

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Resident Gutter Dweller

Shards of the Silver Moon [MooN]

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29 Oct 2007 at 23:16 - 69

I consider myself to be perma-newb even though I've been playing since July 2006. There is always something new for me to learn; hints, tips and quirks that I can can gather from other players who are willing to share.

So who am I going to listen to? The polite, friendly person or the arrogant jerk; obviously the former

Also I play for fun, I'd rather do a mission/quest with a group of friendly people; having a laugh as we go and fail, than with some arrogant arsehole who'll waltz me through it with masters. Fun is the key, if it ain't fun, I ain't playing. I get enough grief at work every day with having to put up with it in the place I come to to relax and destress.

So for me: Attitude every time.

L.J

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Brisbane

Blades Of The Dingo[AUST]

A/

29 Oct 2007 at 23:25 - 70

Attitude

I dislike playing with the arrogant, i'd rather just h/h. At least I have a fun time playing with people with a good attitude even if they do suck as players. If im that serious about getting passed a mission and dont want to risk failure i'll just take h/h.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:31 - 71

Attitude I guess. If all I wanted to do was finish a mission or quest then I'd just H/H. Pvp I'd tend to aptitude but I usually go with my guild so I get both aptitude and attitude.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:36 - 72

Well guys sometimes you want to do HM missions and most of those are unhenchable. I'd rather have an elitist that is a lot better than the rest of my team but yells at us. Heck dude I don't care if he screams at me I'll just forget him after the mission is done, maybe pm him some hate till he puts me on ignore but thats all.

If I have a newb who just beat the game and wants to do HM and joins my party, hell dude I want someone who can already play. Call me heartless I don't care.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

29 Oct 2007 at 23:41 - 73

If im in a talkative mood, attitude hands down, but if i want to get something done aptitude, since i can just close down the chat or not say anything. Even though those stuck up guys rage quit and stuff and curse off a lot, its usually the fastest way to get through, plus it gives you a good laugh since you KNOW its a little nerdy kid who has no life

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

29 Oct 2007 at 23:43 - 74

I think the smart people are kind and nice to know, for PVE. I have little experience in PVP, but I guess it's not like that.

(I hate idiots)

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

29 Oct 2007 at 23:45 - 75

Freaky, I understand where you are coming from, but I've grouped with both kinds of people for hard mode and found it easier with those who are "noobs" as they are more likely to listen to what I say then an elitist who thinks they know all. "Noobs" are less likely to rush when told not to rush and more likely to be cautious when the "group leader" is cautious.

Now I'm perhaps taking a more realistic view here, than offered by the OP, in that no everyone will always know everything, and while I'm happy to listen to advice even if it is screamed as abuse, I'm also not afraid of speaking up when something someone says is just plain wrong.

Of course the OP's premise is somewhat extreme and the players you come across are not (usually) going to fit into either group. And then there are the cases of those who are both... But we don't talk about them here

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

30 Oct 2007 at 00:04 - 76

Attitude.

People who call others stupid, dumb etc because they use cheap items/armor are just knobs. I then retaliate by showing the so called "rich person" a full trade window of ecto or a stack or 2 of armbraces

they soon shut up.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

30 Oct 2007 at 00:15 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

Freaky, I understand where you are coming from, but I've grouped with both kinds of people for hard mode and found it easier with those who are "noobs" as they are more likely to listen to what I say then an elitist who thinks they know all. "Noobs" are less likely to rush when told not to rush and more likely to be cautious when the "group leader" is cautious.

Now I'm perhaps taking a more realistic view here, than offered by the OP, in that no everyone will always know everything, and while I'm happy to listen to advice even if it is screamed as abuse, I'm also not afraid of speaking up when something someone says is just plain wrong.

Of course the OP's premise is somewhat extreme and the players you come across are not (usually) going to fit into either group. And then there are the cases of those who are both... But we don't talk about them here

Yeah dude I see your point but in the rare event where I have to choose I'd still pick the extreme elitist for hm. Usually your elitist will take charge and start directing players. A newb will wait for orders and do exactly what you want (not necessarily bad but I'd rather they know what they're doing beforehand). If your elitist directs you he probably knows what hes doing and will pretty much beat the mission for you.

P.S. How many bugs did you have to exploit to make that much Malice?

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

30 Oct 2007 at 00:16 - 78

Attitude.

Because I pug for social reasons.

And let's face it, you only need 1 good player and 7 others with good attitudes to beat anything in pve.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

30 Oct 2007 at 00:21 - 79

The elitist with the good bar will play their bar, and do it well, and be an ass about it.

The newbie with the crap bar will play their bar, listen to your directions, execute them poorly, and take much more time than necessary.

If you're going to PUG, aptitude for me is a must.
In HA for me, a bunch of r8 jackasses is way better than going with a bunch of r0-r2's that know squat.

You'll either win 5 matches, lose the 6th and get ragequitted on, or you'll lose 6 matches straight. Sure, everyone's attitude is great, but honestly, who cares?

This applies to PvE as well for me.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

30 Oct 2007 at 01:20 - 80

Most of the times, the players with the annoying attitudes also suck at the game, so this is irrelevant.

Low Level PvE: Attitude

Higher Level PvE: Iffy, depends, don't want someone who totally sucks, but don't want a total asshat.