What is more important to you in a team: Aptitude or Attitude?
Kerwyn Nasilan
Attitude, I am sooo tired of the people who don't get there way then Rage Quit. I tend to find that new players who coroperate are better than expierenced players who don't work well.
Burst Cancel
Aptitude. If they get the job done, I don't see how attitude is even relevant.
Malice Black
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im so baed XD jo wnt sum???? 1k u buy???
kthnxbia
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Or, to make things super-clear with extreme examples (as I so love to):
Would you sooner team up with people who are very individually capable at the game, but are stuck-up, sociopathic arseholes who ignore the team-leader and abuse other members of the team whenever they make a mistake... ... Or would you rather team up with rather incapable newbs who are friendly, polite and willing to learn, though rather slow at doing so and essentially force you to pull most of the weight yourself to compensate for their lack of understanding of the game? I'm aware that the extremes are rather few and far between. Most newbs tend to fall right into the n00b category and between them have all the brainpower of a rusty saucepan... AND total and utter sociopaths are unlikely to join up with a team in the first place.... But still. Not taking it so much at the extremes..... what is more sought after: less experience but friendlier or more experience and mild hostility? |
Pure Disasta
Skillz any day.
Sometimes Id like to strangle those noobs.
Sometimes Id like to strangle those noobs.
william1975
i hate any form of pug, so the quicker its over with the better,
personally i would do neither and go myself.
i wouldnt chose the later of the willing to learn due to an unwillingness to lead or teach on my part, not enough time or energy to do it
thereofore if having to chose i would go for the horrible person that actually knows what they are doing. though i find ignorant abusive people a real pain at least i put up with them for much less time when they are the competant players.
personally i would do neither and go myself.
i wouldnt chose the later of the willing to learn due to an unwillingness to lead or teach on my part, not enough time or energy to do it
thereofore if having to chose i would go for the horrible person that actually knows what they are doing. though i find ignorant abusive people a real pain at least i put up with them for much less time when they are the competant players.
Malice Black
Lol @ above
Just a few things
Disasta?
Guild - Uber?
Skillz?
Noobs?
TBH you're the kind of person I avoid in-game.
Just a few things
Disasta?
Guild - Uber?
Skillz?
Noobs?
TBH you're the kind of person I avoid in-game.
Omniclasm
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Lol @ above
Just a few things Disasta? Guild - Uber? Skillz? Noobs? TBH you're the kind of person I avoid in-game. |
fenix
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Attitude.
People who call others stupid, dumb etc because they use cheap items/armor are just knobs. I then retaliate by showing the so called "rich person" a full trade window of ecto or a stack or 2 of armbraces  they soon shut up. |
cellardweller
In my experience, players fall into the "nice, competent" and "red-engine, incompetent" buckets far more often than the two categories posed in the OP.
Aeon221
Here's a simple test on your noob-tolerance-meter. When was the last time your sorry butt was in Ascalon, playing in the equivalent of the GW ghetto?
If you weren't helping a newbie sometime in the last week, you are just another bunch of hypocritical douche bags.
If you weren't helping a newbie sometime in the last week, you are just another bunch of hypocritical douche bags.
Surena
Attitude - Most good players I know have it so I either play with them or I hero/hench. It's easy.
I don't waste my time with losers. They'll be occupied with themselves soon enough.
I don't waste my time with losers. They'll be occupied with themselves soon enough.
GD Defender
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Never herohenched?
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~ Dan ~
A mix of both. I don't want someone in my team who's just an ignorant sod, but on the other hand i don't want to be playing with some healing hands wammo who's aggro'ing every mob in sight.
Medic
I'll take friendly newbs over sociopathic arseholes anyday.
Skuld
Wheres the option for having good AI? 
H/H, my guild or close friends pretty much.
H/H, my guild or close friends pretty much.
bungusmaximus
I usually PUG for elite missions, and there I expect people to be good to some extent. It's absolutely no problem if one party member falls behind a bit, that's where attitude comes in. If the lesser player is nice and the rest of the team is nice to the lesser player it's possible to drag a lesser player along. If the whole team is horribad however there is a problem.
cyberjanet
Give me a pro-gaming attitude any day. People who taunt, shout, point fingers and shower blame should go straight to jail. Do not collect 200 pounds. Likewise those who equate fancy armour dyed black with experience. (Yeah I met one. Some stupid kid playing on his dad's account in our guild. He's gone now, thank goodness.)
SotiCoto
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I herohench pretty much 100% of the time I spend in PvE. I don't PvE much anymore, so I'm talking about PvP. That clarify?
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Sorry.
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Originally Posted by Aeon221
Here's a simple test on your noob-tolerance-meter. When was the last time your sorry butt was in Ascalon, playing in the equivalent of the GW ghetto?
If you weren't helping a newbie sometime in the last week, you are just another bunch of hypocritical douche bags. |
zwei2stein
good Aptitude never made up for bad Attitude for me.
besides, bad Attitude pretty much guarantees bad Aptitude.
besides, bad Attitude pretty much guarantees bad Aptitude.
LightningHell
Depends?
If I have to fill a slot, probably aptitude. If I had to go with somebody long-term, attitude.
They don't usually go in those archetypes though.
If I have to fill a slot, probably aptitude. If I had to go with somebody long-term, attitude.
They don't usually go in those archetypes though.
Avarre
Both are very important to me.
For someone I just need to fill a slot, aptitude is more important because I want to get something done. Over a longer period, attitude is major because they can improve on their lack of aptitude.
The place the team is going through also matters - in GvG, I won't be able to play with someone that has one of the two lacking unless they are making a noticeable effort to solve the problem.
For someone I just need to fill a slot, aptitude is more important because I want to get something done. Over a longer period, attitude is major because they can improve on their lack of aptitude.
The place the team is going through also matters - in GvG, I won't be able to play with someone that has one of the two lacking unless they are making a noticeable effort to solve the problem.
Big_Iron
Hands down in PvE, attitude is more important. I’d much rather play with some less experienced players who are playing to have fun than a bunch of l33t wanna-be’s who each thinks they’re smarter than the other. Of course, ultimately, the best thing would be to play with skilled players with a great attitude….Maybe that’s why I H/H mostly these days. :/
SotiCoto
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Hands down in PvE, attitude is more important. I’d much rather play with some less experienced players who are playing to have fun than a bunch of l33t wanna-be’s who each thinks they’re smarter than the other. Of course, ultimately, the best thing would be to play with skilled players with a great attitude….Maybe that’s why I H/H mostly these days. :/
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Now I think about it.... it has been a while since I helped anyone out with Nahpui Quarter.
shadows of hob
PvE, attitude, it is about the fun and most things are so easy, people don't have to be good. 
PvP, altitude, I play pvp to win and then have fun, not to lose every battle in a funny way, because that starts getting annoying real soon.
PvP, altitude, I play pvp to win and then have fun, not to lose every battle in a funny way, because that starts getting annoying real soon.
Ctb
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I remember one particular time when I had a group of guildies with me and we completely missed a wandering patrol that had two groups stuck together in it. We wound up being overrun by more than 20 high level mobs, but, ultimately, we didn't wipe because of some creative use of kiting and terrain. Everybody was pretty stoked about it. Heroes and henches just don't get excited when you pull off those "against all odds" comebacks or find that uber-rare drop.
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I just don't understand why anybody would play a video game to win? That seems to me to be completely absurd and futile. Some day the servers will go dark and all of your faction, your rank, and your spiffy items will be gone forever. What point is there in playing to obtain them rather than just playing to have a good laugh with pleasant people? Your memories of amusing interactions with them could last decades. Your gains from actually winning while playing with them will be gone forever within years.
Seems irrational to me.
elektra_lucia
GW is extremely (impossible for most?) hard to get money, but some games you can. CS is pretty easy to make money from for example.
Servers should not go dark, there is no mention of that when buying. I'd sue them after 28 days.
I don't see the point of playing just to lose, just like you don't go for a cap signet, to die 100 times as you get to the boss.
Servers should not go dark, there is no mention of that when buying. I'd sue them after 28 days.
I don't see the point of playing just to lose, just like you don't go for a cap signet, to die 100 times as you get to the boss.
Olim Chill
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Originally Posted by shadows of hob
PvP, altitude, I play pvp to win and then have fun, not to lose every battle in a funny way, because that starts getting annoying real soon.
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elektra_lucia
Over me, yes. Their computer is closer to the server, so they ping lower!
Komes I
Polite N00BS would be mine choice. So i could make fun of them!
Jokking. I am noob but i hope i am polite. And i don't care if team is noob or pro for aslong as people are fun and aren't assholes!
Jokking. I am noob but i hope i am polite. And i don't care if team is noob or pro for aslong as people are fun and aren't assholes!
lyra_song
Attitude not Aptitude.
If a person expresses politeness, a good attitude, decency and niceness, and willingness to learn, they are WAY more welcome in my party, guild, alliance and friendlist.
I dont care if you suck, if im having fun with you, it doesnt matter.
If a person expresses politeness, a good attitude, decency and niceness, and willingness to learn, they are WAY more welcome in my party, guild, alliance and friendlist.
I dont care if you suck, if im having fun with you, it doesnt matter.
Avarre
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I just don't understand why anybody would play a video game to win?
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Simath
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.I just don't understand why anybody would play a video game to win?
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SotiCoto
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Why would anyone play any game not to win? If you're not trying to win, by whatever you define winning as, then you're wasting your time.
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Doesn't mean we can't enjoy it while it lasts.
Some of my favourite hours are spent lying around doing nothing at all.
I play Guild Wars for the experience; not for the outcome. What keeps me playing is that I am still doing things and still have things to do. In just about any game... the moment I "win" is the moment I start to lose interest in the game, which isn't the point at all. That is why, more often than not, I will do anything to avoid continuing the main storyline in any game (take Morrowind, for instance, where I was leader of over half the factions in the game before I even started the main storyline for the first time).
Solas
i'd form pick a newbie then a stuck up exp. player
as they'd always have "A Better" way around things, were as a newbie would try to learn more form it and would get more out of it,
+ i'd be able ot carry him through the mission with no probs...unless he likes to leroy
as they'd always have "A Better" way around things, were as a newbie would try to learn more form it and would get more out of it,
+ i'd be able ot carry him through the mission with no probs...unless he likes to leroy
Avarre
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Life IS a waste of time no matter how you look at it.
Doesn't mean we can't enjoy it while it lasts. Some of my favourite hours are spent lying around doing nothing at all. |
But anything worth doing is worth doing well.
TheRaven
Bottom line: I play to have fun and escape from real life.
To me winning is fun. Winning alongside a bunch of A-holes however is not fun.
Last night I was trying out the costume brawl. Each time we seemed to have 1-2 leechers or non-loaders. We lost every time. This isn't fun so I quit playing and did something else.
I came back later and made it onto a winning team. I was playing as Cynn. Now I like Cynn's bar ok, but I hate the order of the skills. My ele always has Fire Attunement first, liquid flame 2nd, the elite 3rd, etc. So as soon as I loaded up I pulled up the "K" menu and quickly re-arrange the bar. I have time to do this before the battle starts if I hurry and usually about 5-10 seconds left over. However, the team I was with was full of elite jerks. As soon as the map loaded they run over to the warp circle or gate and wait there. I'm back on the spawn point re-arranging skills. They are furiously pinging the warp circle and cussing me out for not joining them IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!! (You would think that after 2 or 3 battles they'd get the hint that I am coming before the battle starts), but nope, not these guys. I even tried explaining that I was sorting the bar first, but that only got me cussed out more. ("Stupid noob, you can't change skills!! Idiiot!!")
While this was a winning team, it also was not "fun". I left them after 5 wins.
To me winning is fun. Winning alongside a bunch of A-holes however is not fun.
Last night I was trying out the costume brawl. Each time we seemed to have 1-2 leechers or non-loaders. We lost every time. This isn't fun so I quit playing and did something else.
I came back later and made it onto a winning team. I was playing as Cynn. Now I like Cynn's bar ok, but I hate the order of the skills. My ele always has Fire Attunement first, liquid flame 2nd, the elite 3rd, etc. So as soon as I loaded up I pulled up the "K" menu and quickly re-arrange the bar. I have time to do this before the battle starts if I hurry and usually about 5-10 seconds left over. However, the team I was with was full of elite jerks. As soon as the map loaded they run over to the warp circle or gate and wait there. I'm back on the spawn point re-arranging skills. They are furiously pinging the warp circle and cussing me out for not joining them IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!! (You would think that after 2 or 3 battles they'd get the hint that I am coming before the battle starts), but nope, not these guys. I even tried explaining that I was sorting the bar first, but that only got me cussed out more. ("Stupid noob, you can't change skills!! Idiiot!!")
While this was a winning team, it also was not "fun". I left them after 5 wins.
SotiCoto
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Oh, I agree. Doing nothing can be great.
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Is it merely the difference between doing what you set out to do and doing something else instead? If so... what is wrong with a little surprise here and there?
Terra Xin
Have you ever heard this distinction between man and woman? Women will focus on the journey, while men will focus on the destination - attitude and aptitude in its most obvious example. 
Attitude can always be used to work on aptitude... if you claim aptitude is higher, you could be a great player of the game... just keep local chat off.
I don't like completing a mission or match with disparity running the entire duration. Come with good intentions, and lets have a good time.
And yet competitive people who lose may lack the attitude to move on from it, and 'waste time' wondering why things went wrong. Anyone who plays the game and ignores the importance of a good attitude towards things will never accept loss, and that's bad for all people that they involve themselves with. People who don't play to win will play for the experience. Unlike so many people who take the game for granted and use it to escape the troubles of the world - I don't, and I'm just happy to be able to play this game in the first place. Social interaction is in many ways, better than competitiveness. Attitude makes all the difference.
They both have there kicks, but I like attitude better.
Attitude can always be used to work on aptitude... if you claim aptitude is higher, you could be a great player of the game... just keep local chat off.
I don't like completing a mission or match with disparity running the entire duration. Come with good intentions, and lets have a good time.
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Why would anyone play any game not to win? If you're not trying to win, by whatever you define winning as, then you're wasting your time.
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They both have there kicks, but I like attitude better.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Terra Xin
People who don't play to win will play for the experience.
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That's why I mentioned 'by whatever you define winning as'.