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Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

30 Nov 2007 at 18:31 - 361

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggerjay

i think rewarding people who brought an expansion or a couple of charicter slots over some other players is wrong.

why is it wrong? are gifts wrong? are promotions wrong?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggerjay

its not a case of not being able to afford it, or not having a credit card, i can afford it and i have a card, some people like me refuse to put their card details online.

and in refusing to do so, you invalidated yourself for the promo/bonus

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggerjay

i think the bonus should have included everyone who added a key code to their account any time for a new expansion like eye of the north.

It was...if you purchased it($30) thru the in-game store.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggerjay

a simple retail cd code in a box is no hard to pull off is it?

why should thousands of ebayers and scammers be able to make money off of anet's works? (because that is what will and has happened)

sterbenx2

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

New England

Lunatic Legion

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30 Nov 2007 at 18:32 - 362

I'll say exactly what I said in another thread. If it never goes up for resale then GG Anet. BMP was a BONUS. If they resold it then it it wouldn't be fair to those who did meet the requirments. so meh

/unsigned

Hiotoko

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 18:35 - 363

I see no reason for it not to be made available eventually for purchase for those that couldn't fulfill the requirements.

/signed

Wildi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

PvE is the Metagame

30 Nov 2007 at 18:35 - 364

/signed because there is no valid reason for not selling the BMP seperately

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 18:35 - 365

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

If you don't think a 12 year old can make $29.00, you are the one that needs a clue.

It's about access, and the money. Read slowly my comments again. It addresses both of those issues. You might want to consider your own comments.

Then again, you could keep making yourself look foolish.

So 12 year old makes the money then what? Posts it to anet? Or asks his/her parents to let them use a credit card they may not have. I could keep making myself look foolish but you could keep ignoring previous posts which have already said what you have said aswell as most of the recent posts that rant about this. I give up, some people are too thick to have any understanding.

HayesA

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Pennsylvania

E/

30 Nov 2007 at 18:35 - 366

Quote:

Originally Posted by derc

so it's Anet's fault for you being paranoid about putting your details online?

No, it's the poeple who regularly scam, and make a living off other people's hard earned money's fault. He's very right not to want to buy anyting online. A little misguided, yes. But it's definately not his fault for being cautious, and careful with his money.

Some of us don't have super jobs that allow us to just toss our money every which way at stuff.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 18:36 - 367

is this the "yet another QQ thread" ?

oh well.. /unsigned, you had enough time, stuff cant be sold, blahblahblah

jammerpa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Sunny FLA

Omega Knights

N/Me

30 Nov 2007 at 18:39 - 368

While I do feel sorry for people in countries that dont have access to credit cards, I dont feel sorry for the whiners that shrugged off the BMP as an evil plan created by Anet to make money on their products. These people rolled the dice and took a chance that the BMP would be crap and are now regretting it because of the weapon rewards.

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

30 Nov 2007 at 18:43 - 369

wanna know what I'd do? -and this is outta spite.

I'd make the BmP accessible to all the whiners for FREE. Here is the hitch. No weapon rewards. Just the gameplay, that is the reward. lulz then we'd see what this is really about.

Redvex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

30 Nov 2007 at 18:44 - 370

From Gaile Grey

Quote:

On November 11th, 2007, Gaile Gray said:

I am still talking to marketing about this. There will not be a give-away — there is no way to justify that. But making the BMP available via other means may be possible. But those other means might still require a credit card, and for that, I’m sorry, but there are a lot of realities to deal with here, along with frustrating delays in getting more means to pay.
I do want you to know that I strongly believe the Bonus Mission Pack SHOULD be available via other means, especially since we closed the option to purchase the PvP Packs a few weeks ago, meaning that some folks were out of luck (as mentioned above).

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 18:44 - 371

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

wanna know what I'd do? -and this is outta spite.

I'd make the BmP accessible to all the whiners for FREE. Here is the hitch. No weapon rewards. Just the gameplay, that is the reward. lulz then we'd see what this is really about.

YES PLEASE. Thats all I want, the weapons are irrelevant to me personnaly, a nice bonus for heroes maybe but I dont care about them as much as extra content.

Anet listen to Flubber because hes right for once.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

30 Nov 2007 at 18:49 - 372

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

YES PLEASE. Thats all I want, the weapons are irrelevant to me personnaly, a nice bonus for heroes maybe but I dont care about them as much as extra content.

Anet listen to Flubber because hes right for once.

What if....Anet gives the BMP for free to everyone else...

BUT....You only get 4 books total. No free 3 bonuses per book. No repeating for multiple characters. Just 4 items.

Elentari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

[Te]

W/

30 Nov 2007 at 18:49 - 373

/not signed

Call it being selfish if you will, but I think it's too late and it's your own fault if you don't have it but want it now (AFTER having seen everything it gives).
And yes I think this is just another QQ thread for the vast amount of ppl who love to complain.
Those who are saying they wanted to get it before but didn't have credit card in their countries etc etc... well I guess that sucks, but hey no one said life's fair, can't go blaming it on everyone else if you don't have a credit card, or the bonus missions for that matter.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 18:50 - 374

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Yes, yes, you wanted BMP, your 1st choice was to buy things you didn't want/need, what's the 2nd choice?

Since the topic was covered plainly and completely when I responded to your quote you'll have to excuse my confusion at your comment. What exactly are you asking to be explained to you?

The only problem I can see you having, is in the context of "need", from my previous post.

I didn't want the extra slots. I didn't "need" them, in terms of new characters to play. The "need" was prequalification of spending $29.00 for eligibility. That could have been fullfilled by any online store purchase. So keep in mind there was a "need" for purchasing something. Not "need" for the particular item.

Now what choice are you confused about?

- I wanted the box for GW:EN
- I therefore didn't "need" to buy it from the online store
- I did however "need" to spend $29.00 on "something" to prequalify for the BMP

I guess the only choice that you might still be confused about was why character slots instead of skill unlocks, or whatever else they were offering was selected.

I guess that was the magical "second choice". I didn't want or need them, but looking to the future, I decided they were potentially more useful perhaps than skill unlocks might be.

I know you're just trying to be a smart***, but hey....It's a slow day at work.

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

30 Nov 2007 at 19:08 - 375

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

wanna know what I'd do? -and this is outta spite.

I'd make the BmP accessible to all the whiners for FREE. Here is the hitch. No weapon rewards. Just the gameplay, that is the reward. lulz then we'd see what this is really about.

No, just charge $34.99 for it.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

30 Nov 2007 at 19:09 - 376

I voted /signed before, then I read the comments in this and other threads, thought about the situation and changed my mind.

/notsigned

Too late.

I have bought 2 accounts with all expansions, and in their online stores I bought

- 2 extra char slots on each account
- 1 preview code on each account
- 3 unlock pack on each account

which means 2x36€, nearly 100$. Of course, I gave them this money outside the promotion months.

And I'll never be able to even take a look at this new content for a game I spent all this money. Even if I want to give them extra money.

Too bad I financed this company in such way so far.

That's the treatment that idiot customers like me deserve.

Lesson learnt.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 19:10 - 377

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

So 12 year old makes the money then what? Posts it to anet? Or asks his/her parents to let them use a credit card they may not have. I could keep making myself look foolish but you could keep ignoring previous posts which have already said what you have said aswell as most of the recent posts that rant about this. I give up, some people are too thick to have any understanding.

At least I agree with your last statement. Lets find out how thick you are.

Get a temporary prepaid CC. If your parents won't do it, find somebody that will. If you can't, then your still up that crap creek without a paddle. Either way.

Consider slowly the point of the matter of BMP being offered (if you get your way) again. How are you going to get it if you can't meet the senario from before? I'm sorry, but it would take alot of "thick layers", not to understand this.

Point of fact, there are ways for a 12 year old to earn the money, and find a way to get the money to Anet. There is no excuse in using this as a reason for not getting it together for 4 months.

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

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30 Nov 2007 at 19:10 - 378

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

You fail completley, theres been hundreds of posts about this since it was annouced, get your facts right before you talk utter crap.

LOL Read the other threads, genius. People want the weapons. Period. The so-called content is secondary. Thank you for posting tho. Maybe with enough idiotic comments like yours this thing will finally get closed and buried.

KANE

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 19:10 - 379

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

What if....Anet gives the BMP for free to everyone else...

BUT....You only get 4 books total. No free 3 bonuses per book. No repeating for multiple characters. Just 4 items.

That made so much sense?

Shuriken

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Order of The Flameseekers

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30 Nov 2007 at 19:14 - 380

petition signed, if it has any use still :P

Xanthier

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

England

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

30 Nov 2007 at 19:15 - 381

I'd quite like to sign it too, for the people who actually had no way to get it previously. It'd be nice if it were a separate purchase.

Jaythen Tyradel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 19:17 - 382

Sell it in the ingame store? Maybe, but that still leaves people without CC or access to obtain a CC (age, location, desire to have a CC, discrepancies between Currency exchange between countries, are some of these factors).

Sell it in retail stores? They are nice missions, but not worth the cost of selling at a retail store with a box/manual/shelf space.

Re-run the promo again in the future? Good idea, but still the whole CC option. I thought they were working on SMS for an alternate payment now that I think about it.

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

30 Nov 2007 at 19:19 - 383

Dead horse in corner quick, everyone beat it -------------->

This QQ has been going on since the info was released. Can we move on now?

Redvex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

30 Nov 2007 at 19:21 - 384

PLEASE READ THIS AND STOP ANY FLAME!!!!!!!!!!
From Gaile Grey

Quote:

On November 11th, 2007, Gaile Gray said:

I am still talking to marketing about this. There will not be a give-away — there is no way to justify that. But making the BMP available via other means may be possible. But those other means might still require a credit card, and for that, I’m sorry, but there are a lot of realities to deal with here, along with frustrating delays in getting more means to pay.
I do want you to know that I strongly believe the Bonus Mission Pack SHOULD be available via other means, especially since we closed the option to purchase the PvP Packs a few weeks ago, meaning that some folks were out of luck (as mentioned above).

In other words there're a lot of possibilities that who don't have bmp can still get (i think from online-shop) but it require credit card and IT WILL BE NOT FREE!!!!!!

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

30 Nov 2007 at 19:24 - 385

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

uh-huh

Where's the 'bonus' part of this mission pack if you spent all this money just to get it?

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

30 Nov 2007 at 19:25 - 386

Well at least just offer it some how... I missed the boat too and am a sad panda...

/SIGNED
/SEALED
/LICKED
/STAMPED
/MAILED

Egwene Tyr

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

High Lords Of Tear [HOT]

E/

30 Nov 2007 at 19:26 - 387

/notsigned

everyone had enough time to get this and there was enough information out there how to.
So if you snoozed.. you lost..

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

30 Nov 2007 at 19:26 - 388

/on the fence

I knew somthing like this would happen after we saw a-net acctually put some time into it xD, although id like it it wouldnt be fair on those who did it the right way.

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

30 Nov 2007 at 19:30 - 389

Well I don't expect it to be free but at least charge $9.99 for it or something ... or rerun the promo again for Christmas...

Not everyone has had the means to buy it in the timeframe given...

Legion Magnus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Legion Magnus

W/

30 Nov 2007 at 19:36 - 390

My .03 cents on this issue:

I'm ambivalent about owning the BMP. It would have been nice to have since I own all the other GW products, but no biggie to me. Cheers to those who have it, and are enjoying it!

What I do object to, as a consumer, is ANet's foray into what I believe (an opinion) is their attempt to force people to use the Online Store to obtain the BMP. It may be their intended 'shape of things to come.' I chose not to 'acquire' the BMP because I do not want to use the Online Store. True, it is a 'Bonus' item, but it required an online purchase to acquire it.

I barely trust Visa/MasterCard to secure my online transactions, and I don't completely trust well established online e-stores to protect my personal data. You can probably guess my opinion of the PlayNC/Online store, especially with all the issues people have reported about their experiences. Many will have had no issues, I'm sure, but others definitely have reported serious technical concerns. (yes, I understand that Visa (i.e.) is the transaction device but how well does PlayNC protect your data?)

If ANet chooses to (effectively) sell the BMP or future products only via such channels then, so be it, it is their option to do so. It is, however, our choice as consumers whether to support their decision by our purchases, or not.

I truly believe this is the larger issue at work here. I think people should consider whether to support ANet's 'shape of things to come.'

/minor rant off

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 19:40 - 391

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Where's the 'bonus' part of this mission pack if you spent all this money just to get it?

Anet very carefully made it clear it wasn't the mission pack that you paid for. It was a reward (a bonus), for spending that $29.00 in there online store. It was a promotion.

i.e.

NOT FOR SALE

This premis is what's in jeopardy if they give in and sell it for cash.

It would be a bit amusing if they did sell if for cash though. Everybody understands it was a device to discourage people from buying GW:EN from retail stores, and maximize profits. There's not much overhead when you don't have to supply material and split $$$ with the merchants. Those merchants would be awfully upset if it was specific to GW:EN.

The confusion that so many seem to have is why it was offically a general $29.00 on "whatever" from the online store. It's also interesting to understand why it was time limited.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 19:44 - 392

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legion Magnus

My .03 cents on this issue:

Finally somebody that reads between the lines, and sees the bigger picture.

zerulus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 19:45 - 393

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redvex

PLEASE READ THIS AND STOP ANY FLAME!!!!!!!!!!
From Gaile Grey

In other words there're a lot of possibilities that who don't have bmp can still get (i think from online-shop) but it require credit card and IT WILL BE NOT FREE!!!!!!

Does that mean I'll be able to purchase divine aura as well? I didn't know about guild wars let alone the collectors edition when it was first released so I did not have any way of obtaining it, but by the logic here I'm obviously entitled to it if I'm willing to pay an additional fee now.

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 19:46 - 394

i like it how this thread popped back up again after people realized that the weapons were pretty damn good.

Ecomancer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 19:47 - 395

I thought it would be rather interesting to see some figures relating to the bonus pack. Purely from a business standpoint, it would be silly not to market the bonus pack if there are more people who do not have it unlocked, compared to those that do.

Gaile's response about these petitions on the other forum is shocking, dare I say typical. Same old condescending tone, but we are accustome to that by now.

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

30 Nov 2007 at 19:53 - 396

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Ana Stacia

Yes they implemented 2 other options one for the UK & 1 for Germany, last I checked Europe was a hell of a lot bigger then those two countries.

So is the planet. If the only thing that will make you happy is accommodating the world, you're gonna have problems with all of life.

If Anet only accommodated their HOME COUNTRY it would be reasonable. Hell some co.s offer things only at conferences, so? There are many European products that are not available to the rest of the world. Japan has the title on cool anime stuff I can't get.. Boo Hoo for me.

It's reasonable, and it's fine.

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

30 Nov 2007 at 19:53 - 397

Honestly, from a marketing stand point... it would be financially ignorant to NOT re-run the promo again... If you know that you can GUARANTEE that X # of GW players WANT the promo run again that missed it (by whatever means) ... I WILL buy the minimum to unlock the BMP... that is just simple logic... Why turn away sales when there is STILL demand?

Right now I know I will spend the required $30-$40 to get the BMP free... IF they re-run the promo....

(Yes I missed the initial call for the BMP... enough said.)

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 20:04 - 398

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowlinger

Honestly, from a marketing stand point... it would be financially ignorant to NOT re-run the promo again... If you know that you can GUARANTEE that X # of GW players WANT the promo run again that missed it (by whatever means) ... WILL buy the minimum to unlock the BMP... that is just simple logic... Why turn away sales when there is STILL demand?

Right now I know I will spend the required $30-$40 to get the BMP free... IF they re-run the promo....

(Yes I missed the initial call for the BMP... enough said.)

This isn't what this petiton is asking for. They are asking for Anet to sell it SEPERATE.

If they run the promo again, it would actually support the idea that it wasn't designed specifically for the purpose of siphoning off sales of GW:EN from their retail partners.

But hey, I missed out on the Divine Aura in the CE editions of phophecies. Can I buy those too? They'd make heaps of money off those...

Same thing, really.

X-Bomb

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Black Widow [Wi] / Team Dangerous [DnG]

W/Mo

30 Nov 2007 at 20:08 - 399

I thought the whole point was that Anet doesnt SELL additional content, that all upgrades would be free > See Sorrows Furnace. Thats why they offered it as a promotion (most people got eligability by buying GWEN albeit at an additional cost, then buying it through a online retail store such as game or play.com)

If Anet decides to sell it as an extra now then i wouldnt be too happy as i missed out on my GWEN box + paid a little extra in the online shop as well.

Ecomancer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 20:08 - 400

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darksun

So is the planet. If the only thing that will make you happy is accommodating the world, you're gonna have problems with all of life.

If Anet only accommodated their HOME COUNTRY it would be reasonable. Hell some co.s offer things only at conferences, so? There are many European products that are not available to the rest of the world. Japan has the title on cool anime stuff I can't get.. Boo Hoo for me.

It's reasonable, and it's fine.

Products vary from region to region. The reason why some products are not available globally is for that very reason. Japan has very different tastes compared to Europe and the same holds for the Americas.

However, as GW is a global product, it does not have much of a cultural significance.