BMP sell seperate petition.

Joneb

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2007

Me/

Anet cant afford not to sell it through high street stores or other methods. Come GW 2 people who couldnt get it because of many reason I wont list again, as I done so in other forums, will remember how they got stuffed and pick a rival game of which there wil be plenty more in 2009.

Now how many do you think buy in high street shops as opposed to online?

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...6&postcount=35

Prowlinger

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

Well one of the things about the CE Auras is that those were only sold via retail chains... as a complete package...

The BMP was just a "freebie" IF you purchased over $40 from the store...

Regardless... they should at least offer addtional ways to get this BMP... sell it, promo sell it or what not...

Why spend all that effort and not maximum sales when there are still demands for it and the irons are hot?

Heck... if Anet started selling $25 Panda bear minis that were customized on purchase.... they would sell ALOT of them...

I think they are seriously missing a vast potential selling point of their store... they need to offer more...

Much more...

Now since GW1 is near end of life... why not sell as much as you can for it?

Sell the CE Aura abilities for $19
Sell super rare minis for $29
Sell the BMP for $9.99
etc etc etc

Why? It would not take too much cost and effort to do this... the content is created... the 98% of the labor is done...

Utilize the ANet GW store to its maximum capacity...

Supply the demand for the GW players who do want to buy more...

If you want my money ANet.. I am willing to spend it on GW...

Offer up the relics that were missed... I am sure you will get a nice
justification of sales for doing it....

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

missed your chance

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joneb
Anet cant afford not to sell it through high street stores or other methods. Come GW 2 people who couldnt get it because of many reason I wont list again, as I done so in other forums, will remember how they got stuffed and pick a rival game of which there wil be plenty more in 2009.

Now how many do you think buy in high street shops as opposed to online?

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...6&postcount=35
Dead wrong.

Anet can't afford to sell it outright.

Understand what the BMP is. It was a tool to entice the purchase of GW:EN from the online store. It was a profit maximizer.

If they sell it for cash now, people won't be using whatever new promotion comes down the pipe for the next online store push. Those people will know from history that Anet will release it for cash later. They are now free to find a better deal other than the online store (and have a box for the collection to boot).

This hurts that maximized profit from e-sales.

Jessica The Mesmer

Jessica The Mesmer

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2007

Kamadan d1

Team Everfrost [eF]

Mo/

Im not complaining, but I would like to see it available for seperate purchase, but besides that.....box<PMB.....I just didn't really pay attention...oh wellz : /.

Ancient Menace

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

The only reason you people are complaining is because now you see the new sweet skins. /notsigned

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prowlinger

Now since GW1 is near end of life... why not sell as much as you can for it?

Sell the CE Aura abilities for $19
Sell super rare minis for $29
Sell the BMP for $9.99
etc etc etc
If the bmp is sold for cash, then they have no postion to not sell the rest. The only "fair" solution is to recycle the BMP as a "bonus" again. Spend "XXX" amount online to unlock.

I don't think they would risk the legitimate uproar that would occur, if they prostituted out everything special or unique that exists in GW.

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prowlinger
Well one of the things about the CE Auras is that those were only sold via retail chains... as a complete package...

The BMP was just a "freebie" IF you purchased over $40 from the store...

Regardless... they should at least offer addtional ways to get this BMP... sell it, promo sell it or what not...

Why spend all that effort and not maximum sales when there are still demands for it and the irons are hot?

Heck... if Anet started selling $25 Panda bear minis that were customized on purchase.... they would sell ALOT of them...

I think they are seriously missing a vast potential selling point of their store... they need to offer more...

Much more...

Now since GW1 is near end of life... why not sell as much as you can for it?

Sell the CE Aura abilities for $19
Sell super rare minis for $29
Sell the BMP for $9.99
etc etc etc

Why? It would not take too much cost and effort to do this... the content is created... the 98% of the labor is done...

Utilize the ANet GW store to its maximum capacity...

Supply the demand for the GW players who do want to buy more...

If you want my money ANet.. I am willing to spend it on GW...

Offer up the relics that were missed... I am sure you will get a nice
justification of sales for doing it....
You slept through Business 101... didn't you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
Dead wrong.

Anet can't afford to sell it outright.

Understand what the BMP is. It was a tool to entice the purchase of GW:EN from the online store. It was a profit maximizer.

If they sell it for cash now, people won't be using whatever new promotion comes down the pipe for the next online store push. Those people will know from history that Anet will release it for cash later. They are now free to find a better deal other than the online store (and have a box for the collection to boot).

This hurts that maximized profit from e-sales.
You DIDN'T sleep through Business 101... did you?

Egwene Tyr

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

High Lords Of Tear [HOT]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by zerulus
Does that mean I'll be able to purchase divine aura as well? I didn't know about guild wars let alone the collectors edition when it was first released so I did not have any way of obtaining it, but by the logic here I'm obviously entitled to it if I'm willing to pay an additional fee now.

I can see your point and actually a pretty good question to ask.. If you can purchase this "promotion" then they really should open up other's for purchase as well.
IMHO..
The release to purchase of the BMP will open up a huge can of worms for sure. I hope ANet will think about this one.

Zeph

Zeph

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Wales, UK

Expect Extreme Violence [EEV]

/not signed

That would leave a nasty taste in the mouth.

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prowlinger
Well one of the things about the CE Auras is that those
I think they are seriously missing a vast potential selling point of their store... they need to offer more...

Much more...

Now since GW1 is near end of life... why not sell as much as you can for it?

Sell the CE Aura abilities for $19
Sell super rare minis for $29
Sell the BMP for $9.99
etc etc etc

Why? It would not take too much cost and effort to do this... the content is created... the 98% of the labor is done...
The "why not" is fairy simple here -- they've said that they wouldn't. Your customer base has to believe in you, has to be able to count on the statements that the company makes. If they cannot there is no hope of repeat special markets. If they make the collector's edition available now it destroys the trust of the consumers that paid the extra money and bought the product initially. If they offer the Bonus Misson Pack for sale now it destroys the trust of the customer that read, "This is an exclusive promotional offer." and believed it to be true. Why would I want to do business with a company that can't be taken at their word?

Exclusive is a real word with a real meaning.

Prowlinger

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

It is a double edged sword here... Anet must keep the trust...

But they could sell more in the store or offer more specials to utilize maximum profit of E-Sales...

Ok ... so rule out the rarities... no minis and no CE Auras... I give you that...

BUT... just run the promo again! Simple as that!

Starting December 31st, 2007 --

Get the BMP or 1 free char slot if you spend $40 in our online store....


Everyone will be happy ... everyone that missed the first BMP run will be able to get it again...

Fini.

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Those screenshots and posts full of joy are really getting to you eh?

Fluffiliscious

Fluffiliscious

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

US

Gods Army of the [Dead]

E/

It doesn't matter what Anet does, people will still be pissed for their own personal reasons. They'll be pissed because they can't buy it or they'll be pissed because they followed the rules to get it and the Anet let everyone get it regardless.

I think running the promotion again might be a good idea but it wouldn't help the people who didn't get the BMP because they couldn't use the in-game store.

Personally, I don't care either way. I have my BMP and I don't have to pay for it. If someone else would like to pay for it to get it them more power to them.

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancient Menace
The only reason you people are complaining is because now you see the new sweet skins. /notsigned
Well that is the point, isn't it?

I don't know about you, but I certainly wasn't willing to waste money on character slots that I didn't need, for "new items" they wouldn't tell us anything about. I was expecting to just get three new items, and it wouldn't have surprised me if they were simple reskins.

It's been said many times before, but not everyone has money to just throw around on everything that announced, especially considering how little information they gave us about what we'd get from it. And what about the people who were completely unable to buy from the online store.

Seems to me, like the majority of you guys against it, just don't want others to be able to play with your new toys.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar
If they make the collector's edition available now it destroys the trust of the consumers that paid the extra money and bought the product initially. If they offer the Bonus Misson Pack for sale now it destroys the trust of the customer that read, "This is an exclusive promotional offer." and believed it to be true.
The mission pack is not an aura or a green minipet + some posters and gadgets.

This is a mission pack. It's a piece of the storyline.
There are 4 NPCs in the cities offering quests and quest rewards.
And all this in-game content is permanently unaccessible to a large part of the playerbase.

For the very 1st time, A.net has created a separation in the playerbase, those who can access some content and those who will never see it.

If you don't understand this = fail.

Prowlinger

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

WinterSnowblind... totally agree with you.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
Those screenshots and posts full of joy are really getting to you eh?
What's the point of such an idiot post?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
The mission pack is not an aura or a green minipet + some posters and gadgets.

This is a mission pack. It's a piece of the storyline.
There are 4 NPCs in the cities offering quests and quest rewards.
And all this in-game content is permanently unaccessible to a large part of the playerbase.

For the very 1st time, A.net has created a separation in the playerbase, those who can access some content and those who will never see it.

If you don't understand this = fail.
Theres an NPC in Kamadan with a quest you could only access if you bought a PC Gamer magazine...

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Toy%27s_Story

The BMP takes that concept and expands it. A concept thats been there since NF.

The concept being, buy something (a magazine...or with BMP $30 worth, maybe a Pre-order pack), get exclusive access to something (New quests/missions/items).

The Legg

The Legg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

RAF Lyneham, UK

We Are Gozu ( Gozu )

N/Me

Well it seems to the 'majority of us guys against' it being given/sold seperately all agree that we took part in a special promotion and are now enjoying the investment. We made the sacrifices of extra slots/buying gwen instore etc and this is the reward.

I wonder how many whiners on here would be so vocal if the bmp had not given these new skins.

Jealousy, plain and simple

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
Well that is the point, isn't it?

I don't know about you, but I certainly wasn't willing to waste money on character slots that I didn't need, for "new items" they wouldn't tell us anything about. I was expecting to just get three new items, and it wouldn't have surprised me if they were simple reskins.

It's been said many times before, but not everyone has money to just throw around on everything that announced, especially considering how little information they gave us about what we'd get from it. And what about the people who were completely unable to buy from the online store.

Seems to me, like the majority of you guys against it, just don't want others to be able to play with your new toys.
I fully expected new weapons. It just made sense to me. I didn't think they'd all be customized to my character though, but that's all good. I did expect a lot of new skins (by a lot, I meant at least one new skin for each profession).

Other than people who just started playing the day after the promotion, or kids who's parents won't get it for them, if people can buy this from the ingame store now (now that they see the screenshots of the weapons), why couldn't they just do it before, during the four months the promotion was announced? They rolled the dice and didn't like the results, it happens. Now they want to vilify Anet. Eh.

Nomme Moon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
The mission pack is not an aura or a green minipet + some posters and gadgets.

This is a mission pack. It's a piece of the storyline.
There are 4 NPCs in the cities offering quests and quest rewards.
And all this in-game content is permanently unaccessible to a large part of the playerbase.

For the very 1st time, A.net has created a separation in the playerbase, those who can access some content and those who will never see it.

If you don't understand this = fail.
Agreed. This turn in the way Arenanet does business (whether some think it is good or bad) is what kills lots of online multiplayer games. I don't need to mention names, but it's pretty obvious for those who have played them. This is a turn for the worst and is an incredible backstab to the people who supported Arenanet throughout the years but didn't have the opportunity to buy in the in-game store.

Not only that, but something that makes me mad is the fact that this mission pack has countless amounts of new skinned items, restricted to the people who could buy online. Eye of the North, for the most part, had recycled skins and models for almost every single weapon in the game - including the end game greens. Knowing these skins are restricted makes the backstabbing feel even worse. Whoever said something about the new skins being the reason for the negativity is in part right, but like I said, after dealing with re-skins for both armor and the majority of weapons in GWEN, a game we all paid for, this is a bit of a disappointment.

I know this, at least for now, has made me reconsider purchasing GW2.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
Well that is the point, isn't it?

I don't know about you, but I certainly wasn't willing to waste money on character slots that I didn't need, for "new items" they wouldn't tell us anything about. I was expecting to just get three new items, and it wouldn't have surprised me if they were simple reskins.

It's been said many times before, but not everyone has money to just throw around on everything that announced, especially considering how little information they gave us about what we'd get from it. And what about the people who were completely unable to buy from the online store.

Seems to me, like the majority of you guys against it, just don't want others to be able to play with your new toys.
Agreed, and I add that with this decision, A.net has made come to the surface the worst part of the "community".

We all know that a good part of the playerbase is made of 5 years old brained idiots, who are just looking forward every occasion to show their idiocy.
A.net gave them the best occasion of all.

esmm40

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

LAME

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
The mission pack is not an aura or a green minipet + some posters and gadgets.

This is a mission pack. It's a piece of the storyline.
There are 4 NPCs in the cities offering quests and quest rewards.
And all this in-game content is permanently unaccessible to a large part of the playerbase.

For the very 1st time, A.net has created a separation in the playerbase, those who can access some content and those who will never see it.

If you don't understand this = fail.
Thats a really good point. And in the end even if you get it as a perk for buying 3 char slots youre still paying for it. Why does this have to be a huge deal? Just offer it later under similar guide lines or thru some other means. Those that jumped on the first offer will get the first fruits and the rest will be left drooling until the 2nd chance comes but at least everyone will be happier.
And honestly Id like to see rare minis offered to players seeing as its ending soon anyway. They dont need to be bought either, make them attainable by way of rediculously hard mission for all I care. At least it would keep people playing and more likely to stay interested long enough for the sequal to come out :-)

kainmodious

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

In Christ Alone

N/Mo

/not signed thats the whole point of a promotion. to get people to buy on the on-line store it would upset too many people if ANET decided to sell it seperatly. some people followed directions to get the promotion. some people didnt and now decide to cry about it. it was available for 4 months long enough to save up $30 and get someone to use a CC for you if you dont have one.

Prowlinger

Prowlinger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Georgia, USA

[HYE]

E/

I for one believe that the scope of the BMP was really illusioned on content to the public in the end...

We all knew it was going to be special historical missions...

Some of us may have known it was going to have included items... (I didn't)

Did anyone expect all new items for each mission and even book
items that work across various account characters? (I didn't)

I don't think anyone expected that the BMP would be as awesome (as to
include ALOT more than just 4 "missions").... which was all new weapons
and not just reskins (like GWEN is mostly)

So the people who did miss the promo are sad... but all the people at Guru here that are Negative Nancies.. you guys should really stand up and have some better life skills...

Be upset that not everyone was able to get it via the store promo...

Support your fellow GW players in their opinions to attempt to get the BMP for promo some how for us that missed it...

Stop the gloat greed and hatin... In real life are you guys the people that steal candy away from toddlers and throw it in the dirt while you eat yours?

Seriously...

Don't be hatin...

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
What's the point of such an idiot post?
To point out that you are only whining because you didn't get the bmp weapons as a result of your choice to not participate in the promotion. What's the point of your idiot post?

The Legg

The Legg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

RAF Lyneham, UK

We Are Gozu ( Gozu )

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomme Moon
This is a turn for the worst and is an incredible backstab to the people who supported Arenanet throughout the years but didn't have the opportunity to buy in the in-game store.
and how exactly did you not have the opportunity to use the in game store. The promotion was advertised many several months before the period began and the period lasted months itself. As for the payment in the online store itself, you can buy pre-paid credit cards for cash and use them.

If people had really wanted to get the bmp there were many many ways of getting it. What was an appathetic view by many towards the bmp has now turned into jealously because of what it offers.

Quite pathetic, but to be honest expected.

Juno Onuj

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Colorado

I Believe You But My Tommy Gun [Dont]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
Other than people who just started playing the day after the promotion, or kids who's parents won't get it for them, if people can buy this from the ingame store now (now that they see the screenshots of the weapons), why couldn't they just do it before, during the four months the promotion was announced? They rolled the dice and didn't like the results, it happens. Now they want to vilify Anet. Eh.
Or there are those like me who were unable to purchase it from the online store not because of a lack of credit cards or funds. I tried multiple times buying eotn from the online store and got error codes each time. I didn't really care about the BMP (still don't), I just didn't feel like driving to the store. What bothers me is the effort that was put into these bonus weapon skins compared to the level of effort put into what we were given in eotn.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legg
Well it seems to the 'majority of us guys against' it being given/sold seperately all agree that we took part in a special promotion and are now enjoying the investment. We made the sacrifices of extra slots/buying gwen instore etc and this is the reward.

I wonder how many whiners on here would be so vocal if the bmp had not given these new skins.

Jealousy, plain and simple
Sacrifices, investment ... LOL.
Wasting money for something you don't need, just to come here and boasting your "special" achievements, is stupidity, plain and simple.

Zamochit

Zamochit

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/A

I agree that the Bonus mission pack should be available seperately, but for a slightly diferent reason to most. I myself have spent a fair amount of money in the anet in game store as I personally have found in more suitable to buy campaigns from there than in actual videogame stores. However, I am over 18 and have access to relevent credit cards etc.

A lot of people in game do not have access to credit or debit cards, and due to various reasons several people are hesitant to utilise their credit cards over the internet. Seeing as paypal is not as of yet an accepted form of payment in the in game store I feel that it is only fair that areanet give others the oppertunity to purchase the bonus mission pack by an alternative means, provided it is finantially viable for them to do so; bearing in mind that in all likelyhood the cost of such an upgrade will be minimal. If they can organise this then I feel the additional profit that may be generated by this would be a welcome "Bonus" for Areanet themselves, perhapts the profits generated by bonus pack sales could be put into a nice little christmas bonus package for Anets employee's as a thankyou for all the hard work that has clearly gone into the missions themselves.

so conditionally

/signed

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

/signed because let's be honest. A lot of people thought it was gonna suck. But every once in a while Anet does something cool. This was one of those things

plsirlyneed

Croco Clouds

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

Anet should sell them 10$ each right now, to make extra cash. People who already own BMP can't stop/complain about it.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
To point out that you are only whining because you didn't get the bmp weapons as a result of your choice to not participate in the promotion.
Well I can accept this because the only things you see in the BMP are the skins, and this confirms my opinion about some posters like you.

Too bad that A.net gave you and others like you the possibility to reveal and express such full potential of stupidity.

iriyabran

iriyabran

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

[Lord]

E/

lol jealousy
how should those who have the bmp called? a.k.a. those who don't want the others to enjoy the same content so they can feel leet

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

At the end of the day, all ANET cares about is money. If they can't see how many people would buy this BMP seperately, they're fools.

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juno Onuj
Or there are those like me who were unable to purchase it from the online store not because of a lack of credit cards or funds. I tried multiple times buying eotn from the online store and got error codes each time. I didn't really care about the BMP (still don't), I just didn't feel like driving to the store. What bothers me is the effort that was put into these bonus weapon skins compared to the level of effort put into what we were given in eotn.
Did you try contacting Support about the error codes you received, or maybe your bank/card company? If so, what was the final solution?

As for the bmp skins compared to the eotn skins, I can understand that, having both. However, which skin looks better still varies from person to person. But sometimes things look good simply because you can't have it.

Quote:
Well I can accept this because the only things you see in the BMP are the skins, and this confirms my opinion about some posters like you.

Too bad that A.net gave you and others like you the possibility to reveal and express such full potential of stupidity.
What's the point of this idiot post?

Well, here's the positive out of this; you and I are done at least. Good luck to you.

AuraofMana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Georgia, US

Look, obviously Anet doesn't give a crap about these types of threads. Can you people just shut up now? You won't listen to reasons and you are being stubborn. Well let see, that gets you NOWHERE IN LIFE. Now shut up and /close.

MsMassacre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

/unsigned

I bought EOTN through online store specifically because Anet said there would be no other way to get the BMP. For them to change that now would be extremely disingenuous.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
But sometimes things look good simply because you can't have it.
Or sometimes, those skins really do look good because ANET decided to put more work into weapon skins (and by the sounds of it, the BMP in general) for only part of the playerbase - as appose to putting proper work into GW:EN which was available to everyone.

EDIT: to above poster.. why would this change effect you? You wouldn't have paid extra money for it (if they set a reasonable price for it separately) and you still have the BMP you ordered. Quit being so selfish and grow up.