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makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:12 - 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Official Guild Wars Wiki

Play Balance Updates
We will be evaluating the following changes over the course of this week. Additional adjustments may be made during this time period.

Assassin
Black Lotus Strike: decreased Energy gain to 5..18; this skill now counts as a lead attack.
Exposed Defenses: decreased duration to 1..11 seconds.
Horns of the Ox: decreased damage to 1..11.
Impale: increased casting time to 1 second.
Trampling Ox: decreased damage to 5..20.

Mesmer
Ineptitude: increased recharge time to 20 seconds.

Monk
Word of Healing: decreased unconditional heal amount to 5..130.

Necromancer
Soul Reaping: no longer gains any benefit from Spirits.

Ranger
Barrage: increased damage to 5..20 damage.
Energizing Winds: decreased duration to 1..31 seconds.

Magebane Shot: increased disable time to 10 seconds; decreased recharge time to 5 seconds.
Player Pets: no longer leave exploitable corpses.

Miscellaneous
Changed the elite skill used by the henchman Mhenlo in Eye of the North to Word of Healing.

Gogo Barrage.

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

14 Nov 2007 at 01:13 - 2

Quote:

Changed the elite skill used by the henchman Mhenlo in Eye of the North to Word of Healing.

And you people say they don't listen.

The spirit fix for SR is interesting, any chance we could ease off the energy/time restrictions with that in place?

Nittle Grasper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:14 - 3

sins official SUCK

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

14 Nov 2007 at 01:14 - 4

BLACK LOTUS

YOU JUST GOT OWNED!!!

nice move izzy, nice move indeed..

Horns of the ox nerf = wtf
Izzy you SAY you want to bring AoD sins back to life.
BUT HORNS WAS A STAPLE FOR IT
>.> I can't defend you now izzy....you just pulled off some contradictory BS, Jesus couldn't comprehend.

Sin way nerfs, but not 1 buff >.> Jesus ....don't even tell me there aren't sin skills that could need a desperate buff
Wastrels collapse.

Soul reaping nerf
A-net just listened to you, pvp praise and now stop whining >.>

Word of healing nerf means

Its not just as viable as LoD (since people were saying it would throw LoD away)
having them at the same standard means
You'll see variety in monk elites.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

14 Nov 2007 at 01:14 - 5

Why do pets no longer leave corpses....-.o

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:14 - 6

Glad they listened on Mhenlo.

Assassins got it pretty good. Ouch I don't understand why pets no longer leave corpses. Now that SR is not triggered by spirits can we get rid of the counter?

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

14 Nov 2007 at 01:14 - 7

Assassin's have been owned. Barrage is still shit compared to pre nerf splinter.

And I'm afraid players might have to do something else, considering that the majority of corpses an MM gets is from pets in Tombs.

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

N/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:15 - 8

Stop Nerfing The Necromancers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Omfg

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

14 Nov 2007 at 01:16 - 9

Player Pets: no longer leave exploitable corpses.

WTF.

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

14 Nov 2007 at 01:16 - 10

A couple odd changes, I'm not liking the looks of a few of these.

But Barrage will be a bit better

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Nov 2007 at 01:17 - 11

ahhh... AB will be so much better now

<3 Barrage
<3 Magebane Shot
LOL @ Energizing Winds = /fail

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Nov 2007 at 01:17 - 12

Tombs group LF BP, Orders, MM, Heal...

RIP

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:17 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Why do pets no longer leave corpses....-.o

Goodbye tombs B/P. Izzy...does he have a clue? Does he even still play this game? Ever?

HyperLimited

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Nefarious Angels

A/Mo

14 Nov 2007 at 01:17 - 14

Ok, worst updates ever. xD

Pets no longer leave corpses? WTF did that come from? O_o

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

14 Nov 2007 at 01:17 - 15

Bls nerf ...seriously nice

But Does anyone...hear me

WTF WITH HORNS OF THE OX

jinzo7

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

14 Nov 2007 at 01:18 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

GG at listening only to PvPers.

Changed the elite skill used by the henchman Mhenlo in Eye of the North to Word of Healing.

I'm sure the PvPers are rejoicing amiright?

Scary Raebbit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

14 Nov 2007 at 01:18 - 17

Sad about SR nerf, but going to have to accept it and tweak my builds.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:18 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSlayer

Goodbye tombs B/P. Izzy...does he have a clue? Does he even still play this game? Ever?

He was on his assassin, for about 5 minutes before this nerf. If that says anything.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

14 Nov 2007 at 01:19 - 19

example #34356376 of an reactionary pvp nerfing further ruining casual pve play

and make up your mind about word of healing

wtf pets dont leave corpses? must have been some pvp thing I don't give a rat's ass about

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 Nov 2007 at 01:19 - 20

Player Pets: no longer leave exploitable corpses.

Aye, WTF. I was myself wondering why your skill bar gets disabled for some odd seconds after the pet dies, but this is just funny.

At this moment I am in Tombs spreading the word.. hearing the cries of frustration.

Lil Ferk

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Texas

[GORD]

P/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:19 - 21

At least they kept the warriors alone thank goodness, but that could be good and bad i guess nothin better nothin worse...

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

14 Nov 2007 at 01:20 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinzo7

Changed the elite skill used by the henchman Mhenlo in Eye of the North to Word of Healing.

I'm sure the PvPers are rejoicing amiright?

Oh wow, you caught me there, they actually updated a skill based on PvE usage instead of PvP! Oh wait.

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:20 - 23

Ew, EW got bit pretty bad too.

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

14 Nov 2007 at 01:20 - 24

It might actually be a good idea to buff some unused skills, geez. Might make this game more interesting. Like when they buffed conjure fire,lightning etc, it started getting some use. I can't believe the pet nerf, what was that for? They should be looking at ursan, ffs.

Holy crap, Edit:

EW did get hit bad. I'm just gonna wonder how this is gonna affect many ranger builds. Also, the horn of ox nerf was fricking overkill. 15..27 to 1...11?

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Nov 2007 at 01:20 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Bls nerf ...seriously nice

But Does anyone...hear me

WTF WITH HORNS OF THE OX

hmmm... I like it

Frank Dudenstein

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

14 Nov 2007 at 01:20 - 26

Pets leaving corpses was being exploited in PvP by necromancers ... it needed the nerf. Aren't there enough corpses in PvE anyway?

Gj nuking the assassins ... gogo skill-based attackers.

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

14 Nov 2007 at 01:22 - 27

Anet hates necros. What hasn't been nerfed from anet. 10 minion maximum, veratas sacrifice, jagged bones, soul reaping, surprised they haven't nerfed the 1 hp bip yet. They also nerfed my solo fow Hm build by buffing up woh. Can't we finally get a buff for necros!?!?!?!!?!?

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

14 Nov 2007 at 01:22 - 28

And yay, Pets are even more useless in PvE. And I was just getting started with my Ranger. Maybe I should have made a Mesmer...

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:22 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer

It might actually be a good idea to buff some unused skills, geez. Might make this game more interesting. Like when they buffed conjure fire,lightning etc, it started getting some use. I can't believe the pet nerf, what was that for? They should be looking at ursan, ffs.

Holy crap, Edit:

EW did get hit bad. I'm just gonna wonder how this is gonna affect many ranger builds. Also, the horn of ox nerf was fricking overkill. 15..27 to 1...11?

I think the goal is to nerf everything to auto attacks and Orison of Healing. That would promote skillful play or something.

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

N/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:23 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

example #34356376 of an reactionary pvp nerfing further ruining casual pve play

and make up your mind about word of healing

wtf pets dont leave corpses? must have been some pvp thing I don't give a rat's ass about

HA sway FTL

Scary Raebbit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

14 Nov 2007 at 01:23 - 31

PvE has enough corpses, unless you're doing it wrong.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

14 Nov 2007 at 01:23 - 32

Mrs.Jackson -by some dude >.>

Im sorry Horns
Izzy's for real
Probably ment to make Enso cry
Wont apologize for the bs any time

Im sorry horns
WTF's for real ....

Right after remembrance day too..
New fallen soldier- Horns of the ox >.>

....im the only one weeping?

Quote:

hmmm... I like it

How? The skill didn't deserve this, No it did not.
Give me a reason why it deserved this...and an actual sound reason >.>

Good golly ms.Molly .....is all I can say now.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Nov 2007 at 01:24 - 33

Do you know what i love most, I dont use those sin skills when playing sin... or rit/sin ^^

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

14 Nov 2007 at 01:25 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein

Pets leaving corpses was being exploited in PvP by necromancers ... it needed the nerf. Aren't there enough corpses in PvE anyway?

True dat, what were they used for PvP exactly? Anyways, this is another prime example of how PvP is affecting PvE. Tombs just got mortally owned, after all the nerfs its been through. A splinter nerf for a slap in the face, then a low blow for minions from pets.

VAK

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

P/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:26 - 35

Ineptitude... there goes my PvE mesmer.... >_>

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Nov 2007 at 01:27 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer

True dat, what were they used for PvP exactly? Anyways, this is another prime example of how PvP is affecting PvE. Tombs just got mortally owned, after all the nerfs its been through. A splinter nerf for a slap in the face, then a low blow for minions from pets.

No, it didn't.

Tombs is perfectly fine with balanced group.

Windstriker

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Missouri

The Torrencians

R/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:28 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer

True dat, what were they used for PvP exactly? Anyways, this is another prime example of how PvP is affecting PvE. Tombs just got mortally owned, after all the nerfs its been through. A splinter nerf for a slap in the face, then a low blow for minions from pets.

I can think of a perfect build that was used in PvP involving heroes that exploited pets for corpses as well as npcs and players...

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

14 Nov 2007 at 01:28 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

Do you know what i love most, I dont use those sin skills when playing sin... or rit/sin ^^

Rit/sin Is not an actual assassin

Its a gimmick...and I don't mean over powered gimmick

Scythe sins are a gimmick too,
Bow sins...etc

Now, Even if you dont use those skills...show why the Horns nerf is necessary?

Why because SP sins use it?

BS >.>

Most of pvp, will agree that they prefer the Old AOD (hot stepper) sin to SP sins.
Most people would prefer assassin's go back to that.

Now you nerf the skill that is 1 of the.....

Well time for mark of instability (god bless this skill...protect it from izzy..)

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

14 Nov 2007 at 01:28 - 39

Magebane still doesn't seem as good as Distracting.

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

14 Nov 2007 at 01:29 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

No, it didn't.

Tombs is perfectly fine with balanced group.

True, you can do it with a balanced group. Yet people are still willing to do tombs even with its crappy drops, but it ends up being pretty quick with a splinter barrage. Sucks for them, if its gonna take them even longer now. (Also, I get a feeling that PuG's will mess up alot, without a decent warrior. One messed up aggro is buh bye)