Update: 13 Nov. 07

Omg horns was busted up wtf

Mhenlo will still suck just as much.

Awesome, just have to fix GoLE now.

hell yeah! why not just give Pve a ultra powered single spell that can kill everything in the screen (as long as you use it first) and remove all the other skills in the game! its not like we want to have fun or anything, we just wanna kill.

Ursan blessing. Yays.

EW fails hard now, Barrage looks a lot better, wtf pets?

Good.

Whatever.

Good it was too strong. But now do something else to make heal worth using.

Good. NOW GET RID OF THIS STUPID TIMER BULLSHIT! Zero energy from spirits, no stupid timers, just like people were saying months ago.

No, seriously, get rid of it. It serves no purpose any longer. With no SR from spirits and Jagged Bones retaining its long recharge, there's no way left to build an infinite energy cycle using the original SR mechanic. (And with EotN as the final installment, no new ways are going to come into existence.) Timer or no timer makes no difference in PvP now. And you can't seriously tell me that any pretense of PvE "balance" hasn't been completely given up with the inclusion of skills like Ursan Blessing. It can no longer be argued with a striaght face that "SR was nerfed (partly) for the sake of PvE balance." So, the timer: (1) No longer has any effect on PvP; (2) Has a negative effect on PvE; and (3) Is strongly and almost-universally hated among necromancer players. Get. Rid. Of. The. Timer. Now. Please.

Good.

huh?

That's a little better.

UNBELIEVABLY BAD. No really. Just unbe-RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing-lievably bad. Do the devs pay ANY attention to PvE when they think this stuff up? I am simply in awe of how mindblowingly stupid this change is.

If this change has any PvP motivation (which would be what?), then make it a PvP-only "feature."

Good. But now give him heal party too. I'd suggest giving him this bar. Mhenlo-style, Mhenlo-quality.

It needs to be. Or at least it needs to be better than what it's been turned into. A small buff to barrage isn't going to compensate for a neutered splinter. Fix the VoD mechanic, fix the NPC AI during VoD, and put splinter back the way it was. Mucking with splinter to "solve" a problem that's inherent in the way VoD works isn't going to work; it's just going to drive people to use the next-best AoE for the job (and the next-best when you nerf that... and the next-best when you nerf that... until you've broken every AoE in the game). You need to address the root of the problem (the VoD mechanics/AI) and not one good way among many of taking advantage of it (splinter).

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To reiterate the two key points just to make sure they aren't missed:

1) No Soul Reaping from spirits is good, BUT NOW GET RID OF THE DAMNED TIMER!

2) REVERT NO-CORPSE-FROM-PETS ASAP. (Or at the very least, make it a PvP-only "feature,")

Pets have corpses lore-wise, so what? Dumb nerf.
EW dead fun? <.<
Horns needed the same damage nerf as trampling, or at least close to it imo. Good nerfs otherwise. Moar buffs please.

woot @ no more pet corpses, no more free minions for shitway.

woot @ EW nerf, still not enough, make it recharge 2 mins

woot @ soul reaping not from spirits, now just make it not from minions either soul it will be a balanced mechanic

woot @ sin nerf, tired of instagib sins

barrage buff = wtf?

40/40 weapon swap?

Anyways, good update. I wish my fellow PvEers would stop whining. PvE is easy enough as it is.

Funny how necros now have to think about e-management. Somewhere my monk is smiling.

no not busted....Busted was the degree of any other holy crap nerf..

....this ...this aint right............this is nerf is about to make me go christian....just so I can pray to that god for wtf izzy did.

It's time like these.....when we all need support *faints*

.....but horns didn't need this bullcrap

This nerf is sick and wrong...

Izzy....remember....make things[card]"For Great Justice!"[/card] not just because you feel like it...

You made me cry izzy something the entire internet couldn't do......you made me cry (on the inside....crying on the out is wimpy!)

Awww pve is hard.

Stop complaining


oh bai spiritway

My first thought: - Good, now they can get rid of the SR timer...we'll see.

Sin changes are a bit harsh, but BLS will promote some different styles of play - fine by me.

There was really no need to mess with Horns and/or Trampling - fixup.

WTB: Pets with bodies to leave behind?

....Someone restrain ensoriki before he kills someone...*nudge* give him back his horns!!

....Now that I look at it....The horns nerf is even worse than I thought...

I was looking at trampling ox.

wtf is 1....11 at 16 Dagger mastery or 12?

Thats FLIPPIN 22 DAMAGE....22 damage and a knock down ...Are you flippin serious?

For records this has been asked by many PvPers for months. It kills N/Rt healers, which is pretty bad imo, but it was just imba at giving energy to necros.

Pets not leaving corpses... right... no seriously if you want to kill spiritway, find something else. Dunno nerf barbs to 10 recharge. I don't see what would be the point in keeping the n/rt healers on this team anyway since they don't gain energy. So having to wait for the pet to be dead to actually start raising minions and thus gain energy later on... seems a bit complicated to be.

BLS: making it in line with golden lotus, great.
HoTH: overnerfed imo.
Ineptitude: back to 20r, not bad, still good. "There goes my pve mesmer" lmao.
Barrage: the usual random buff.
Expose: compare to rigor mortis. See my point?
And I'm ok with the WoH change

And and to Kyp Jade: no energy from minions, LOL. then no DF from healing spells plx. no mysticism for non dervish enchants. no fast cast for non mesmer. LOL. get rid of spirit way YES. overnerfing every skill they use NO.

You have to laugh at the SP sin nerfs because they've did their damage and made their mark already over the past [insert big number] months.

All Hero Battles monthly winners abused it to win and it's now that the issue is addressed.

Did exploitable player pet corpses make that big of a difference in PvE?

Because PvE people complaining splinter got nerfed and that now rangers are worthless i guess(rofl). I suggest you put down the flat bow and pick up my little friends called d shot and savage shot and use them omg!.

If they are gonna remove corpses from pets why don't they remove the automatic blackout when pets die too.

Ghey nerf to necros, can't imagine why I no longer play mine. Used to be my fav, even got obsidian on her, now she's boring as hell to play.

I ditched my pets for pve skills, but still, non exploitable corpses? Are you daft? Please stop RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing with pve that people enjoy just to "balance" pvp that you and Ensign basically agree is dead.

About damn time. Now just return it to its original function otherwise...

Oh good. You finally listened and took spirits off the SR. Now just take off that timer and all will be well. OR you could just make "Animate Bone Minions" an elite. Since, you know, 2 for one pet corpse is overpowered. Oh wait.

Nice, lots of nerfs.

So....any Paragon buffs?

/Izzy: "Any what?"

PAR-A-GON!

*crickets chirping*

Speaking as someone whose main character is a necro, what would you need pet corpses for in PvE? People will bitch and moan about anything on an internet forum, won't they?

As a guildie of mine noted earlier in alliance chat, won't affect us PvE necros too much, tbh. SoLS, and we still get decent energy from normal foes dying. And the PvP-ers will get what they want.

I just, however, can't effing believe the fact pets don't leave corpses anymore. Just doesn't make an ounce of sense to me, and that's probably to get PvPers who don't know corpse management or something, or stopping some "exploits" (DoA? Tyrian Cartographer who had an exploit to it in some mission? - doubt it was made for the last one though). Still... meh. I really don't like that.

It seems to me the more they try to "balance" Guild Wars the more imbalanced it gets... -_-;;

Seriously, what the hell? How many times is the Shadow Prison spike build going to be nerfed? It was a stable build, I hardly find it to be a cheap build, IMO. There's many ways to defend against it.

Black Lotus has no reason as a lead attack. There's TOO MANY lead attacks, not enough duals and off-hands to choose from. Expose, Horns? Why do they need to be nerfed? Expose costs too much, especially for the short duration it lasts. 11 seconds at 12? You can hardly pull off anything due to the energy drain of the spell, let alone, now that spiking builds have been destroyed, you can hardly pull off anything damage worthy to the opponent within the time limit. You use expose at a distance, you use up 2-3 seconds getting to them, then you pull off your slow chain, and they heal all the damage. GG.

No, these aren't the only skills I use, but I used Black Lotus Strike to begin a Death Blossom/Moebius Strike/Horns of the Ox build. Now I have to throw in an off-hand in there somewhere. If it was changed to a lead attack, at least keep the energy gain the same.

You give assassin's such crappy skills, there's hardly anything to choose from Izzy!

Same goes with Paragons! Why are there all these updates nerfing the other skills, but nothing buffing the Paragons. They need BUFFS not nerfs, as they have nothing. Do you notice that only 1/236 players are Paragons? Because you gave them the worst and least helpful skills in the game. Focus on them, rather than screwing up everyone else's game play.

Okay, I typed out my rage, I'm going to rethink some assassin builds, and work on my Paragon who deserves better, Izzy.

GoGoGo. HB might acctually start to become fun now^^

haha I agree you see all these people bitch and moan about the other nerfs (which some people make good points) but when I played mesmer in pve I used ineptitude a ton!

O well at least paragons didnt get nerfed this time...
*Knock on wood*

Then they nerf it what a joke.

lmao @ everyone complaining about pets not leaving exploitable corpses. If an exploitable corpse from a dead pet is so integral to your build, it's bad. Also, you're bad.

so, SP sins just got kicked in the nuts. good job, except DA sins did not, so everyone will run those and there will be even more retardedness.

pets no longer leaving corpses: excellent, so the lame thumper heroway build is dead.

magebane shot: this skill now absolutely pwns. new gvg ranger template right there.

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i'm not liking the looks of this change,

While the spirit change for necro is good in itself, by itself it sucks as this is what they shoudl have done before messign with it before.

a lot of Assasin changes and i like my PvP assassin, they are playable but this may change that.

Pets dont leave corpses? what kind of sense is that? does that not mean that killing untamed pets or enemy pets will no longer let us exploit them? or are we still able to do that? in PvE but not PvP? how can this change make any sense whatsoever its just crazy

Easy; There are a lot of areas that leave little or no corpses from dead enemies so pet corpses are a necessity for Nercos in those areas.

Skill update is always good for a quick chuckle



Easy; There are a lot of areas that leave little or no corpses from dead enemies so pet corpses are a necessity for Nercos in those areas.

lol???

No corspe = play something besides MM!

Can't play anything besides MM? give up playing

Honestly its nothing that big, it helps in b/p groups, but another thing to add to the list of necro nerfs... Man cmon

Ineptitude was great at 20s before it was buffed to 15s. Now it's back down and you cry.

Umm, no. If you're running a minion master in an area with little or no corpses you suck at this game. Seriously. Necros are one of the most versatile classes in the game, you don't need to run an MM all the damn time.

Nah, HB sins will just run this now.

[skill]Shadow Prison[/skill][skill]Black Mantis Thrust[/skill][skill]Jungle Strike[/skill][skill]Trampling Ox[/skill][skill]Falling Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill]

Or something like that.

Kinda along the same lines as having exploitable corpses in pvp. If having exploitable corpses from a dead pet is so over powered against your build, its bad. Also, you're bad.

See what I did there?