HM Spectral Vaettir (Glacial Stones mainly)

Quote: I know you said that, but I was just pointing out how needed the insignia is.

Even if obs flesh or stoneflesh goes down, you can survive. Obs flesh goes down you get some degen, not enough to kill you. Stoneflesh goes down you start taking damage, but not a whole lot. Even if you have 30 of them aggro'd, you shouldn't die. If anything, you can just log out if you screw up, it only takes about 3 minutes to get back to the farm.

Originally Posted by Arkantos You can get around 144k xp an hour on this without scrolls. Since you take no damage, this would be a good place to farm for legendary survivor. Nope, dead risk is great if you get a second delay using stoneflesh aura or even obsidian flesh, and sometimes the glyph got "lagged" and you dont get the 25% bonus recharge. If first thing happens, you will get more kicks than a soccer ball, and if the second happens, you will be fried with degeneration skills (Note: you could survive if only 2 of them are applied, as you see on my video). Good duals I suggest (i cant imagine a build for rit yet, sorry ): - You (E/H) and a Ranger Hero (or Human),with Quickening Zephir, as your energy wont drop below a point thanks to mantra of earth. This even opens a chance for glyph to be ripped of the build (i dont like that, I prefer security on my side lol) - You (E/H) with a Ranger Hero (or Hu.), with EoE. I tried that and... as many vaettir should die at the same time, caused by tenhai or crystal wave... you may get 1 death through EoE... looks pointless - You (E/H) with another E/H (Human, of course), both with the same build. One should take the lower (left) group and the other E should.... take the right one (just simple, huh?). If both are experimented with the farm, this should take less than 5 minutes each run. I suggest this if you wanna dual with a friend /brother / GF(lol) - You (E/H) with a smiter monk, using, for example, Retribution. Nah, it doesnt work as i wished. Retribution returns 1 point of damage to the vaettir even with stoneflesh aura. It's not Zero, but.... it isnt a damage that could be count as "good". I also tried (yeah i tried almost everything lol): - Myself as E/D with scythe. I bring the same build but i changed the 2 mesmer skills for Farmer's Scythe and Radiant Scythe (i think those are their english names rofl), and bring Asterius Scythe (Zealous, + 20% enchants). Its good if you wanna look like "The Death" but pointless to farm. - Myself as E/M bringing the "55 monk getting energy skills" (ya know, that 2 unkeep skills :P) and its nearly the same... but i prefere the mantra. I like 4 energy regeneration, its all that simple :P. Maybe a 55 Monk with mantra (getting rid of the -2 energy regeneration) and Archane Echo + Spellbreaker + Blessed Aura ... coul "tank" the vaettir (i dont know how to kill them in that case :P). Maybe with a slooooow, but powerfull hitting by Judge's Intervention.... just Maybe. More Ideas are welcome, as I will try to put mines (if i found any more :P) /salute guru ppl malko050987 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Arad, Romania The Arctic Marauders [TAM] - now recruiting! R/ 24 Nov 2007 at 10:29 - 8 Any thoughts on the Rt/Me thing I posted, ragnagard? malko050987 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Arad, Romania The Arctic Marauders [TAM] - now recruiting! R/ 24 Nov 2007 at 13:45 - 9 Not enough damage in the build I posted above. you can stay alive all nice and fine with a bonder hero, but you don't do that much damage to them. [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill] [skill]Vengeful Was Khanhei[/skill] [skill]Resilient Weapon[/skill] [skill]Wielder's Boon[/skill] [skill]Mantra of Earth[/skill] I'm gonna try going for Domination and taking Shatter Hex along, as well as Backfire and Empathy. Start with Backfire on a Foe, hit him with Empathy when Backfire is done, and use Shatter hex when it's at low health. EDIT: Nope, doesn't work in big mobs. They just keep leaving and healing once they get to low health. ragnagard Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 In Spain, of course Gamer Espa??ol[GE] N/Mo 24 Nov 2007 at 14:36 - 10 Quote: Originally Posted by malko050987 Any thoughts on the Rt/Me thing I posted, ragnagard? I cannot try as I got my laptop frozen whenever i use Sympa or Ancestor Visage.Too much -3 on screen for a integrated graphic card :P. Maybe you could use the Famine skill to kill'em all without taking care of damage dealt. I cannot try cause of my hardware capabilities rofl malko050987 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Arad, Romania The Arctic Marauders [TAM] - now recruiting! R/ 24 Nov 2007 at 15:34 - 11 That would need a complete re-do of the thing, and a ranger hero for max Famine. Then there's no bonding. Maybe the 3-man team from DoA could do this easily with a couple modifications. ReZDoGG Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2007 Indian Township, ME Nativ War Party (NWP) Rt/Mo 24 Nov 2007 at 15:44 - 12 You could always try using SoA instead of RoD with my 330hp, if you were going to dual with it. SoA will allow you to take some heat off of SB while VwK is recharging... malko050987 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Arad, Romania The Arctic Marauders [TAM] - now recruiting! R/ 24 Nov 2007 at 15:50 - 13 That might work, especially since they hit so fast. By the 5th hit, they'd be doing 0 dmg... Hmm... Cobalt Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Mo/W 24 Nov 2007 at 16:16 - 14 Quote: Originally Posted by ragnagard Good duals I suggest More Ideas are welcome, as I will try to put mines (if i found any more :P) /salute guru ppl - You E/Me(Build in first post) and a Monk Hero (or Human) bonder with Balthazars spirit and Life Barrier (elite) to cast on you and then stay/flagged out of agro range might be helpful to gain energy and mitigate damage. Edit: You should also put Holy Veil on the Monks skill bar suggested above in case they get a degen hex on you because it seems like all it takes is one to kill you. tekDragon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2006 R/ 24 Nov 2007 at 17:09 - 15 There's no specific need for geomancer armor, Blessed is sufficient to get 0 damage on every hit. Arkantos The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2006 W/ 24 Nov 2007 at 17:24 - 16 Quote: Originally Posted by ragnagard Already said that: Nope, dead risk is great if you get a second delay using stoneflesh aura or even obsidian flesh, and sometimes the glyph got "lagged" and you dont get the 25% bonus recharge. If first thing happens, you will get more kicks than a soccer ball, and if the second happens, you will be fried with degeneration skills (Note: you could survive if only 2 of them are applied, as you see on my video).

Same here. Event items just keep drop away from us, ^^. yeah, i know they can be used to earn title rank but... 10.000 pieces of cake are a lot of time farming . I think that when event ends, there should be better drops... at least, more glacial stones (i hardly get one now, and i got 9 in a run before).

On the other hand, i dunno any good places to use this build. I tracked all the vaettir around this place (remember, my char is only a farm char, has no map explored or... almost nothing) and u cant do anything because of the other vaettir thar appear with them. Most important problem is Illusionary Weapon, as it isnt considered as a spell, but a physical attack.
Its hard to find a near, casters-only, no AOE fleeing place like this... even in NM.

Some idead (thoughs in Ragna's mind):
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I tried the mantids at the exit from Nahpui region (they got monks so its reeeeeeally pointless) and farm Tahkayun Tsi (i mean the mantid boss), going south from Ran Musu Gardens. Tahkayun its easy to take down, just going next to him and use sliver armor. Then you can dance and see a example of self killing. Got its unique item so many times that i sell to merchant. No elite tome ever dropped by Tahkayun(countless runs).

Nightfall
I tried to kill the Mindclouder. That objective was done. Even in HM he could be beaten by the same or similar build. The problem is the "hey!-i-am-here-to-keep-farming-apart" pair of paragons that use a Burning skill that ... well, cause burning lol. Drop isnt so good as i dint get nothing great (no unique, no elite tome).

Eye of north
Yeah, ya know, those wind riders you find at magus stones exiting from Rata Sum.... If they drop elemental swords as youtube ppl said... i ever got one... but I got something... I got REALLY booooring farming them. Its slooow, non-profitable and "long" farming as they flee from combat and all things ya know.... I put a Boring sticker on this idea . They may drop the swords and y may be unlucky, but I think this dont worth your effort.

Dunno if there are more places to farm (yet).... i would appreciate some1 find and post 1 like "mine" cause some one could run you to Longeye's Edge from Eye of the North, even without fighting (well, maybe a group or two of 2 mandragors) and without doing any mission (just go there walking/running). If its "profitable" as vaettir one... man, gonna make us richs too

/salute ^^

- You E/Me(Build in first post) and a Monk Hero (or Human) bonder with Balthazars spirit and Life Barrier (elite) to cast on you and then stay/flagged out of agro range might be helpful to gain energy and mitigate damage. Edit: You should also put Holy Veil on the Monks skill bar suggested above in case they get a degen hex on you because it seems like all it takes is one to kill you. You have infinite energy and take 0 damage, a monk hero really isn't needed. Also, 1 hex cannot kill you. I've survived with conjure + images and deep wound. Targuil Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2007 Tampere, Finland Keep Dreaming [Yawn] E/ 24 Nov 2007 at 17:42 - 17 Quote: Originally Posted by Arkantos I know you said that, but I was just pointing out how needed the insignia is. Even if obs flesh or stoneflesh goes down, you can survive. Obs flesh goes down you get some degen, not enough to kill you. Stoneflesh goes down you start taking damage, but not a whole lot. Even if you have 30 of them aggro'd, you shouldn't die. If anything, you can just log out if you screw up, it only takes about 3 minutes to get back to the farm. You get your but kicked very hard if Stoneflesh goes down. Death in ~3-4 seconds. Arkantos The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2006 W/ 24 Nov 2007 at 17:45 - 18 Quote: Originally Posted by Targuil You get your but kicked very hard if Stoneflesh goes down. Death in ~3-4 seconds. Which is more then enough time to get stoneflesh back up. I wasn't saying you don't need them up all the time, I was saying if they go down for a couple of seconds you can survive. Abedeus Grotto Attendant Join Date: Jan 2007 Niflheim R/ 24 Nov 2007 at 17:57 - 19 Just tested basic Rt/Me with VwK + arcane echo + something to heal + resilient weapon + Mantra of Earth and a bonder with Life Barrier + Life Attunement (bonus healing is nice) + Life Bond + Holy Wrath (or Succor/Purifying Veil/something else), worked pretty nicely. But still, solo HM build would be better than in dual... onerabbit Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Thanks to all the guru [mods] 24 Nov 2007 at 18:21 - 20 you do not need Geomancers armor for this. i just got full Radient. i take 0dmg all the time. i use a +5sword and a shield =D all u need is the extra 8 armor. i dont use armor of earth either. yes in hardmode. Cobalt Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Mo/W 24 Nov 2007 at 18:28 - 21 Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt - You E/Me(Build in first post) and a Monk Hero (or Human) bonder with Balthazars spirit and Life Barrier (elite) to cast on you and then stay/flagged out of agro range might be helpful to gain energy and mitigate damage. Edit: You should also put Holy Veil on the Monks skill bar suggested above in case they get a degen hex on you because it seems like all it takes is one to kill you. For those that want to dual this is even better! Do as above, put 16 smite and 14 protect on your monk bonder, with 16 smite balth's spirit gives you plenty of energy return and Life Barrier gives added protection, so you no longer need Mantra of Earth. I suggest you replace Mantra with Shatter Hex, it plus Holy Veil gives you more than adequate protection from Hexes that may slip in and makes farming with the OP's build much smoother. The downside is this shows how bad the mass kill loot system is especially with a Hero/Hench along as I have killed groups of 30 and gotten as little as 3 drops. However it makes for easy rep farming this way. EDIT: Another tip: If you are using a Hero Monk as a bonder then make it a M/W and add Charge to the skil bar or W/P and add Godspeed to the skill bar for a speed boost for the walk over from Longeye. ragnagard Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 In Spain, of course Gamer Espa??ol[GE] N/Mo 24 Nov 2007 at 18:42 - 22 Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt - You E/Me(Build in first post) and a Monk Hero (or Human) bonder with Balthazars spirit and Life Barrier (elite) to cast on you and then stay/flagged out of agro range might be helpful to gain energy and mitigate damage. Edit: You should also put Holy Veil on the Monks skill bar suggested above in case they get a degen hex on you because it seems like all it takes is one to kill you. Sorry if i dont catch your main idea but... why do you wanna put a monk if the E/Me build could tank this alone.... ¿farming or survivor plan? I only put "try-to-kill-faster" suggestions :P, not any to survive. And i say again, in my point of view you cant count on this as legendary survivor leveling zone. Even if you got time (secs!) to cast stoneflesh aura... it still got 2 seconds casting so its 30 * vaettir damage in 2 seconds.... Maybe (mightbe) you could get a "pro leveler" that does the run and let you get half the experience (taking care about the aggro). I created this char only to farm (not only thise place) and it took 8 hours 8 minutes to get level 20 (in factions of course), and getting 1M exp in about 9 days of playing (i mean days using /age), so thats the time you should think about. I also forget to mention that you could get Norn faction points in each run, so its 120 points always and a lot more if you get the x2 bless. I reach rank 3 just here lol. You could be lucky if ya go in a two dual E/Me run: Cobalt Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Mo/W 24 Nov 2007 at 20:13 - 23 Quote: Originally Posted by ragnagard Sorry if i dont catch your main idea but... why do you wanna put a monk if the E/Me build could tank this alone.... ¿farming or survivor plan? I only put "try-to-kill-faster" suggestions :P, not any to survive. Yes of course you can solo this, but what I am suggesting using a Monk Bonder for an easy mode way of doing this with a lot less risk of dying thus not getting the 60dp and being forced back to town. ragnagard Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 In Spain, of course Gamer Espa??ol[GE] N/Mo 24 Nov 2007 at 20:51 - 24 Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt Yes of course you can solo this, but what I am suggesting using a Monk Bonder for an easy mode way of doing this with a lot less risk of dying thus not getting the 60dp and being forced back to town. errrr i dunno if ya already know that but... a minigroup of vettir will put away even 45%dp. I tested it when i was talking while farming . Of course you can do that but.... you will see that drop wont be so good ^^. And if u add the "special thanksgiving day items" it would be near zero cool items :P Cobalt Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Mo/W 25 Nov 2007 at 01:37 - 25 Quote: Originally Posted by ragnagard errrr i dunno if ya already know that but... a minigroup of vettir will put away even 45%dp. I tested it when i was talking while farming . Of course you can do that but.... you will see that drop wont be so good ^^. And if u add the "special thanksgiving day items" it would be near zero cool items :P Yea I did get some good stuff but after doing it a number of times I now have over 50 pies and 50 ciders so they drop a lot. Anyone found any other good spots to try with this build yet? ragnagard Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 In Spain, of course Gamer Espa??ol[GE] N/Mo 25 Nov 2007 at 02:03 - 26 Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt Yea I did get some good stuff but after doing it a number of times I now have over 50 pies and 50 ciders so they drop a lot. Anyone found any other good spots to try with this build yet?