HM Spectral Vaettir (Glacial Stones mainly)

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinny Corpse
I'm trying this for the first time right now and it's great.
I forgot to put on geomancers insignia but I still don't take any damage so it's
all good and all go.

Thanks, Ragnagard
Np!, I enjoy doing and sharing "neverending" farms . Just got tired of killing Jin the Skull Bow so many times .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Dimento
Got a new fav way to do this build....

[skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill]
[skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill]
[skill]Light of Deldrimor[/skill]
[skill]Crystal Wave[/skill]
[skill]Teinai's Crystals[/skill]
[skill]Storm Djinn's Haste[/skill]
[skill]Mantra of Earth[/skill]
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill]

With max Deldrimor Title Track.....you do 80 holy damage....which like the Crystal spells, ignores armor. You dont have to wait for stupid echo to recharge either I think that Sliver armor fits better. But this is like almost everything in life.. just a point of view of the user . Archane echo is just for tries....

Well... daddy Ragnagard is about to share a little secret with you. Try:

[skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill]
[skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill]
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill]
[skill]Crystal Wave[/skill]
[skill]Teinai's Crystals[/skill]
[skill]Mantra of Earth[/skill]
[skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill]
[skill]Lava Font[/skill]

Just play with the atts to get about 18 secs for rodgort (about 5 fire magic).

How the hel# am I going to do that with them?. This is AOE and in HM the foes now flee caused by the new & cool AI!!

Yeah I'm mad, I know. Just try it. Almost constant burning to all nearby foes plus a "1 1 1 1 1 1" damage.... Crazy hehe.

Dreikki

Dreikki

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Kemi, Finland.

Pirates of the Searing [YoHo]

Mo/

Just one question, why do you have burning there if you use skills that make them lose conditions?

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreikki
Just one question, why do you have burning there if you use skills that make them lose conditions? Just because you can do something within the 20 sec recharge of both ignore-damage skills and asuring that all the foes will die at the same moment. (for the discussion about getting more drop 1 by 1 or all at same time). And... if I can inflict them burning within 5 secs from Lava font... doesnt matter if I remove the burning condition.. will be reapplied in the casted font or in the next hehe...

This can be done with Archane echo + sliver too, so we dont remove conditions (if needed) but they wont die at the same time.

Again its the point of view.

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

My preferred build goes like this

[card]Glyph of Swiftness[/card]
[card]Obsidian Flesh[/card]
[card]Stoneflesh Aura[/card]
[card]Light of Deldrimor[/card] Optional slot, some use Armor of Earth, could even be a run skill
[card]Sliver Armor[/card]
[card]Crystal Wave[/card]
[card]Teinai's Crystals[/card]
[card]Mantra of Earth[/card]

This bar has allowed me to do this run hundreds of times, as long as you have your 20% mod weapon you will do just fine. It really is a pretty simple build, and even if they get a cast of Conjure Phantasm on you, you can typically survive and regen to continue your farm easy enough
*Corrected Speeeling

Wol Fenrook

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

UK

The Dim Circle Ring [DCR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodiak
This isnt related to the type of weapon you use, just bad luck. I do this run often enough and last night I had to bad runs almost back to back wielding my earth staff. One near the start with a worm appearing, knocking me down and casting wurm bile. The second with me almost getting to the next zone with the 3 wurms appear, the green wurm boss and two other wurms. There we have to disagree. I have done this hundreds of times (literally), and on every occasion where I was carrying an axe during the run a wurm spawned, nocked me down and hit me with bile, wheras every run where I have had a staff or wand equipped I have made it safely every single time, even when the wurm spawned it didn't use wurm bile, and used instead a standard degen skill which is easily survivable. So that's every single run with a caster weapons succesfull, every run with an axe a failure. Those odds are way to high to be purely coincidental. I'm not talking about testing on 2 or 3 runs here, I am talking hundreds, across weeks of play. Try it weilding a totem/of enchanting axe some time, I'll lay odds that every time you try it a wurm WILL spawn, will nock you down and WILL kill you with wurm bile. The kind of numbers I am talking about here are 15 failed runs carrying an axe, in a row. Since switching to carrying a staff during the run (about a month ago) I haven't failed a single run, even when I was unlucky and a wurm spawned.

As such, I advise anybody who is having problems on the run between longeye's and Bjora, and who is running with a none caster weapon (sword, axe etc), to try switching to carrying a caster weapon until you get to Bjora Marches.

Wol

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

Sorry you are totally wrong on the Wurm issues. I have always carried only a staff and have run into issues with the Wurm. Sounds just like an odd case. Yesterday I had 5 straight runs ruined by various wurm spawns carrying my staff

ragnagard

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wol Fenrook
There we have to disagree. I have done this hundreds of times (literally), and on every occasion where I was carrying an axe during the run a wurm spawned, nocked me down and hit me with bile, wheras every run where I have had a staff or wand equipped I have made it safely every single time, even when the wurm spawned it didn't use wurm bile, and used instead a standard degen skill which is easily survivable. So that's every single run with a caster weapons succesfull, every run with an axe a failure. Those odds are way to high to be purely coincidental. ....... You'r just out of luck.

I did so that so many times, before and after the video. Always going with my caster home-made sword. Sometimes it appears, sometimes not.... it's just random.

Guildies did the same with axes (morrob's skin, I think) and... same. just LUCK

xis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

SOUL

R/E

mmmh i can't get. The build work? or an update kill the build? obsidian flesh recharge more slow or something
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Men no consigo que funcione, la han capado?. no se da recargado a tiempo carne de obsidiana.

iuli

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

Drunken Rangers(DR)

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This build is at least 2-3 months old. Why don't u check 1st before posting copy/paste info?

tox_169

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Auckland, New Zealand

Quote:
Originally Posted by xis
mmmh i can't get. The build work? or an update kill the build? obsidian flesh recharge more slow or something
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Men no consigo que funcione, la han capado?. no se da recargado a tiempo carne de obsidiana. Done February 20, first time I tried it. Your post is dated Feb. 13. Still works.

ragnagard

ragnagard

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by tox_169
Done February 20, first time I tried it. Your post is dated Feb. 13. Still works.

Of course, it stills works. anyone said it didnt?
I just leave that place after farming about 300 glacial stones and that's all .

If anyone cant do this "simple" build farming, just use the videos to learn and/or try 55hp's ones. Or just got to an asylum, or go to watch tv.... whatever.

Maybe the drop has been nerfed a bit actually but .... who knows

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

So has anyone tried the Melendru's Resilience build in HM? I've been farming here for weeks w/ my Melendru's Resilience build and its working quite well... farmed this past weekend for about 5hrs total and got 47 glacial stones but only 5 gold drops and about 10 purples. I'm working on getting HM as we speak.

Also, I hear people talking about 15 vaettirs in NM - I only seem to be able to spawn 9 of them. I've gone in there maybe 25 times now and every single time, its 9 of them. How do i get 15 in there in HM?

Thanx

ragnagard

ragnagard

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
So has anyone tried the Melendru's Resilience build in HM? I've been farming here for weeks w/ my Melendru's Resilience build and its working quite well... farmed this past weekend for about 5hrs total and got 47 glacial stones but only 5 gold drops and about 10 purples. I'm working on getting HM as we speak.

Also, I hear people talking about 15 vaettirs in NM - I only seem to be able to spawn 9 of them. I've gone in there maybe 25 times now and every single time, its 9 of them. How do i get 15 in there in HM?

Thanx They will fry you using hexes. Their degen would be greater than your regen :P.
Ele is the best prof to farm there hehe. almost any other casting / ranger prof can farm there but in NM.

And btw, you have a quest enabled or havent done one. You should get about 20 vaettir in NM and 60 (exact) in HM.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

I don't think they could out-degen me... the thing is, degens and regens max out at 10 pips. If I have 3 conditions on me, I'm maxed at regen (which is constant there)... it doesn't matter how many others cast degens on me... its not like you can have -25 health degen...

Thats the beauty of Melendru's Resilience is that it doesn't just try to out regen the degens... it replaces the degens w/ regens. Thats why its really only good against Mesmers and heavy condition dealers. So, basically, as long as I have at least 3 conditions/hexes on me at any time, the only damage they can do to me is with their physical attacks. They have no ability to degen me, and if they're only hitting with their physical attacks - doing 10-15 dmg on each hit - it is almost instantly replaced by my +10 permanent health regen. Not to mention that since its a touch ranger build, every 2 seconds, I'm stealing 112 health from them...

What quest is it that i have to have enabled?

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

The HM version of this nets you 60 enemies every time, and your drops are considerably better, it is hardly worthwhile doing this in NM

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

Downside with using MR is that they can target you with Ether Feast, and gain alot of life back. I tried this with my 55 monk and they were out pacing the dmg from SoJ.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Well, they do that in NM too since they're not one of the monsters whose skill set changes in HM.

Fortunately, Ether Feast only works when the target has some energy and since spam the touch skills (2s recharge time on each), I typically only have a lot of energy when I first start attacking. Once my initial pool of energy is gone, I'm using it as fast as I get it so they really can't cast it very often on me... They'd have to time it perfectly to get the max amount by casting it when I was between 3 and 5 energy. As soon as I hit 5 energy, I recast another Vampiric Touch. They only get it maybe once or at most twice before I kill them. Basically, they have a very small window of opportunity to cast it and it only delays the inevitable... Also, since I only attack one at a time for 56 health every second, that 100 or so health they steal is gone as soon as they take it.

Beautiful thing about MR is that it makes you more or less invincible to their attacks... I could stand there w/ a group of up to 7 or 8 lvl 20 vaettirs in NM and they can't kill me no matter how long i stand there. Once I start attacking and stealing 112 health every 2 seconds, I'm invincible to them. I would think if I can stand there invincibly to 7 or 8 NM vaettirs, I can handle 4 to 6 HM vaettirs at a time w/out even attacking.

ragnagard

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
Well, they do that in NM too since they're not one of the monsters whose skill set changes in HM.

Fortunately, Ether Feast only works when the target has some energy and since spam the touch skills (2s recharge time on each), I typically only have a lot of energy when I first start attacking. Once my initial pool of energy is gone, I'm using it as fast as I get it so they really can't cast it very often on me... They'd have to time it perfectly to get the max amount by casting it when I was between 3 and 5 energy. As soon as I hit 5 energy, I recast another Vampiric Touch. They only get it maybe once or at most twice before I kill them. Basically, they have a very small window of opportunity to cast it and it only delays the inevitable... Also, since I only attack one at a time for 56 health every second, that 100 or so health they steal is gone as soon as they take it.

Beautiful thing about MR is that it makes you more or less invincible to their attacks... I could stand there w/ a group of up to 7 or 8 lvl 20 vaettirs in NM and they can't kill me no matter how long i stand there. Once I start attacking and stealing 112 health every 2 seconds, I'm invincible to them. I would think if I can stand there invincibly to 7 or 8 NM vaettirs, I can handle 4 to 6 HM vaettirs at a time w/out even attacking. emmm lol?
Yeah and the uber super MR cand handle the acumulated pain too huh? and their attacks......

Seriously, i doub it. If you can go in groups of 4, whatever time you need for em... them multiply it for 15 groups in HM.And do you think that you can aggro em all in groups of 4?
Wanna see a video from you on this, doing it in HM. Then i should bring my ranger there.

With an ele you can tank em all no matters how many you attract. You'r limited only because they flee when they leave their spawn zone. If not, you could tank the 60 at the same time.

I know it, I play as a R/x as main.... MR is pretty good for so many zones but this in HM... will be painfully (and slow).

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

First of all, your attitude is unnecessary. I never said anything was uber or super. All I said was that it excels against condition and hex dealers. From my experience with it, if they cast 3 hexes on me, I only have to deal with their attacks (and can forget their degens) with a +10 regen. I would think that a permanent +10 regen could protect me from a decent size aggro. I have never done it so I don't know for sure. I was just discussing. The NM monsters do Accumulated Pain too and since Deep Wound is considered a condition, it just gives me more health and energy regen. Fortunately, Deep Wound doesn't stack so you can only get it once, regardless of how many of them cast it on me. BFD, I typically do it in NM w/out a "Fortitude" weapon so I'll just counter it with a "of Fortitude" staff grip and call it a draw.

Nobody was questioning you, your build or your professions uber-1337-ness so calm down. Personally, as long as they can't kill me and as long as I can eventually kill them, I don't overly mind if its not the super-fastest-uber-1337-est build ever, because I don't have the kind of time to play this game that it requires to keep up with the latest and greatest farming builds.

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ragnagard

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
First of all, your attitude is unnecessary. I never said anything was uber or super. All I said was that it excels against condition and hex dealers. From my experience with it, if they cast 3 hexes on me, I only have to deal with their attacks (and can forget their degens) with a +10 regen. I would think that a permanent +10 regen could protect me from a decent size aggro. I have never done it so I don't know for sure. I was just discussing. The NM monsters do Accumulated Pain too and since Deep Wound is considered a condition, it just gives me more health and energy regen. Fortunately, Deep Wound doesn't stack so you can only get it once, regardless of how many of them cast it on me. BFD, I typically do it in NM w/out a "Fortitude" weapon so I'll just counter it with a "of Fortitude" staff grip and call it a draw.
My apologizes.
Maybe my unsuccesfully runs with ranger turn me a bit like House...
Sorry if offended.
I should not have tried that Ranger/Me with backfire....

Quote: Originally Posted by Maverick2201
Nobody was questioning you, your build or your professions uber-1337-ness so calm down. Personally, as long as they can't kill me and as long as I can eventually kill them, I don't overly mind if its not the super-fastest-uber-1337-est build ever, because I don't have the kind of time to play this game that it requires to keep up with the latest and greatest farming builds. Yeah i know, i wont apologyze again :P.
But you have to find something faster.... or they will aggro you and make ya something not so good.

They problem I found in that days of "vaettir-farming essay" was the lack of mana (or energy... whatever you wanna call it)... Sure backfire was a expensive skill.

Maybe touch + expertise make this possible.

You should check (if didnt already) check some ideas here
Looks promising... but only for NM.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

No harm, no foul 'nuff said...

I guess I didn't take into account that there are so many in HM and they're bunny-hopping around that I'm likely to aggro more and more if I don't take them out quickly. I have looked at that page you suggested and I'm working on getting "Awaken the Blood" which will take my BM to 12 and have me causing 65dmg per touch @ about 130dmg every 2 seconds. I also have started carrying "Signet of Agony" with me which will give me a condition if I need one and do 58 AoE damage... too bad it has such a long recharge.

Hopefully I'll know soon enough if it works w/ HM. I'm pretty close to unlocking it for EotN. The nice thing about doing Touch Ranger is the Expertise, as you noted. I have my Expertise at 16 so a 15e Vampiric Touch/Bite only costs me 5e. If I have 4 or 5 hexes on me, which as you probably know is common w/ Vaettirs, I have a +7-10 Energy regen in addition to my +10 Health regen.

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Tried both right now with PvxWiki build + some running skills to get to there faster.

NM... slow but doable. You can almost kill anyone just cause you can aggro them separately.

HM... some groups aggroed are of 8 foes.... undoable. Got a group of 4 vaettirs and i... got RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed :P.

HM (for now....) not doable

ragnagard

ragnagard

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N/Mo

Doesnt Matter. Dwarven gives me (at 7 rank of deldrimor) a +77% duration for stances, so 10 + 10*77/100 ---> 17'7 seg duration.

I mean you can attract as many as ya want on NM and you can choose to aggro 1 to.... 6 or 7, because they are less .... "active".

In HM they are fully active (jumping and so on) on gangs, so they hit you so fast with their baseball bats and knuckles.... i got one leg broken and some injuries. Nothing that troll unguënt cant heal... in home.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Yeah, I didn't notice the Dwarven... I deleted my post because I couldn't think of what to say... lol

There's gotta be something that makes this useful as its the same enemies w/ the same skills just... more of them and a bit more powerful...

Seems there might just be one piece of the puzzle missing as its so effective in NM

Also, it is taking me forever since there are only 9 spawning... I learned I have to the Blood Washes Blood mission before I get all 20 to spawn...

EDIT: What about something like "Throw Dirt"? It is an AoE blinding effect that should slow down their attacks. With 16 Expertise, it should blind them for 16 seconds giving plenty of time to re-heal...

EDIT EDIT: What about some skills like "Touch of Agony" and/or "Wallow's Bite" With the two vampiric touches and those two, you'd be ripping them apart pretty quickly. I might have to try some of this later...

I'm thinking about trying the following build:

Expertise 12 +3 +1
WS 7
BM 9

Melandru's Resilience - Vampiric Bite - Vampiric Touch - Touch of Agony - Wallow's Bite - Throw Dirt - Reckless Haste - Storm Chaser

ragnagard

ragnagard

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N/Mo

That is fun, easy to do and maybe in other places it can work.(well it does as a N/M) But not with R as a profession :P.

If ya didnt know, that skills have a blood sacrifice that goes from 5 to 33% and that sacrifice... doesnt work as one should think at first.

You sacrifice x% of your max health, not the actual health. Yo, if you have 400 lhp, you will sacrifice 40hp (for example) even if your current health is, for example.... 100hp. doesnt look good to use em under preasure .

Those skills are powerful but...deadly :P. Basical touch skills only have good things (spend energy, gain life) but those others.... have that blood giving to... who knows..

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Yeah, you're probably right... I'll probably just stick with "Awaken the Blood" to add +2 to my BM taking the damage up to 65 per touch.

What do you think about "Throw Dirt" or something to slow their attacks? I always run w/ Throw Dirt in my normal build but I've found that the AoE of it doesn't always take effect. It always blinds the person I target, but seems to never hit any adjacent foes...

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

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N/Mo

Mmm ya still suffer a lot from the spells that dont rely on degen, like acumulated pain.

Throw Dirt is a good skill, very good, but it only last 13 seg (or near), and it got a higher recharge.

Throw dirt looks good to use it between stances on a "stance tanking" build, like ones used on N/Gr builds.

Its a bit difficult to find a key to kill those foes ^^. You have to think about an anti spell skill and something about their damage punching/wanding you. It is earth damage, so elemental skills like Storm chaser are effective.

Best bet known (a try) will be a running skill for agro and some place to use SS or something while not get hitting(if there is one). It's a mindbreaker problem.

tox_169

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Auckland, New Zealand

I got my first set of glacial gauntlets using a variant of the Resilient Touch Ranger. Took me quite a while though, as I wasn't actively farming it.

OgQTQ27iRa44NoGiTISoR84I1AA, I think. 15 ws 11 exp 10 blood.

Only in NM though -- HM wasn't there yet. Never tried doing it on my ranger (which is my main) when HM came, it could be possible taking on a few at a time, but considering there's 60 of them, it'll take a long while to clear em all.

With this ele build though, one could do it in HM with 60 vaettir in about 15 minutes per zone or less, rest/regen/pickup & salvage drops included, or the equivalent of 3 or 4 NM re-zones. For me it's become a matter of efficiency -- and it's my ele's turn to do the GW:EN rounds anyway.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

So I've completed all the norn storyline quests, but I still only have 15 Vaettirs showing up in NM... how do I get the full 20 to show? Anyone know?

Also, ragnagard, what do you think of some alteration of this build for me to do what you guys have been doing?

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/E_Obsidian_Ranger

ragnagard

ragnagard

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N/Mo

I... I dunno about NM :P.

I Just look at that idea with my eyes wide open. dont know about how it will work and... what changes need to be maded but... I am thinking about some things.

Ya dont need the glyph and you wont be knocked down, so 2 skill slots are open to creativity.
I read that you need a bonder and/or something more to be useful. So this will be in my mind as vaetting killing for items + reputation faction .

Working on it , but it's time to go to sleep and try to get rest hehe.

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

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N/Mo

It's said that 1 image says more than 1 thousand words.

Let's show 2 then :P

Using Sliver armor, just got 5 damage to em (2 difference from the ele build), and other skill does a bit ... less but doesnt care.
Tanking, efectively, 32 vaettirs


And it's done, on our first test, on 10 mins .


High delver rank is required, as per se, SQ will last 31 secs and it recharges on 45 secs. Mine is currently rank 7. Could be upgraded, with patience, on Snowmen Dungeon runs.
Bonder is neccesary if ya wanna go sure... (not need for Storm chaser then)
Spirit Ranger is to get it done faster (although the skill recharge works pretty good w/out QZ). EoE helps a lot damagin all .

I dont think I need some of the skills like armor of earth. Without it and an anti-earth insignias on armor i got 0 damage now. Just testing it. This is Beta stage .

PS: I have Drakenden approvation to post his name on photos.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

thanks for checking into this for me... I'm in the process now of building an E/Me... I have him up to lvl 12 now and farming lvl 20 worms in EotN. I should have him up to lvl 20 by this weekend...

ragnagard

ragnagard

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
thanks for checking into this for me... I'm in the process now of building an E/Me... I have him up to lvl 12 now and farming lvl 20 worms in EotN. I should have him up to lvl 20 by this weekend... Ummm emmm, mmmmm, why dont you use the hand-to-hand combat at Gunnar's Hold?

You can be level 20 today in a few runs, even survivor. Dont need to kill that kind of foes, hehe

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

I guess thats true... I've never actually done that mission...

lietzaum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

VILE

N/

with hard mode glacial farming my guildie found a build that does work out it is close to the 600 smite farming with glyph of swiftness and a running skill
glyph used on (soa that is the key skill) and spell breaker
he showed me he took about 20-25 of them at a time

lietzaum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

VILE

N/

the build is the bip bonder vital blessing, life attunment, retribution, holy wrath, purge signet, blessed signet, blood of power 8th skill optional

for tank... storm djinn haste, gylph of swiftness, spellbreaker, soa, essense bond, balth spirt, blessed aura
i am not on my own computer or i would give you the atts but i hope it helps
srry for the double post

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Don't use Life Attunement. Get Balth Spirit on bonder, or you won't have place for Prot and Spirit bond on tank.

lietzaum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

VILE

N/

ohhh yeah srry i was not on my computer at the time i was doing it from memory but i maxed out my monks norn points just farming the galcial stones with the build so i know it works

Bo Fairfield

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Mu Tants [MU]

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Try using a -2/+45(ench) shield. It drops my damage to 0, and I can use whatever insignia I want, and no armor boost other then OF.

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

In Spain, of course

Gamer Espa??ol[GE]

N/Mo

Ummm.... Yeah, you can do it with a monk.... but....
How do you cast spirit bond so fast to tank the 24 vaettir together? :P And BTW this is more accurately, the Cathedral of flames build, better than Smiter-killer, imo.

I still love the Ranger + Bonder team but.. i dont need norn points anymore :P.

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Originally Posted by Maverick2201
I guess thats true... I've never actually done that mission... That's not only true, I leveled up my rit, my necro(girl) and my dervish(girl :P) there in just a few runs/hours. You cannot be killed if you are not a noob who doesnt press 8 some times to get up again, lol. Well if you disconnect from server... is other thing .
If you'r going for survivor, this place + cheaper scroll on merchant will give you about 250xp per foe and 450xp in HM. (cheaper scroll = 200g, reward = 150g, almost free! )