HM Spectral Vaettir (Glacial Stones mainly)

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

ragnagard, thanks so much for your suggestion about Kilroy's PunchOut... I hadn't ever done it before but after taking my lvl 12 Ele there last night, it only took me 3.5 hrs to get him to lvl 20. Now my build is complete and all I need is to access hard mode...

I'd never leveled up so fast... the hardest part is getting to lvl 10 to get into EotN...

AscalonWarrior

AscalonWarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kokkola, Finland

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ragnagard
Ummm.... Yeah, you can do it with a monk.... but....
How do you cast spirit bond so fast to tank the 24 vaettir together? Use SoA



Voices are telling that my message is too short

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

In Spain, of course

Gamer Espa??ol[GE]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
ragnagard, thanks so much for your suggestion about Kilroy's PunchOut... I hadn't ever done it before but after taking my lvl 12 Ele there last night, it only took me 3.5 hrs to get him to lvl 20. Now my build is complete and all I need is to access hard mode...

I'd never leveled up so fast... the hardest part is getting to lvl 10 to get into EotN...
NP man! Is just a level 20 char creation zone :P. And to be honest.... getting a full ele + build + weapons is about 8 hours (being canthan born) and about 25k to get all the required skills. After that is just profit.

HM is very easy to get as many Gwen missions are too short. Maybe the pre-last mission is the only one that maybe called "long".

Quote:
Originally Posted by AscalonWarrior
Use SoA
Voices are telling that my message is too short Yeah I know that, I played as a monk too (I dunno why I have so many farmer chars lol).
I was just asking if it isnt a bit risky. counting on the 10 hits you can handle, 24 vaettirs are 2 * resistance and beyond.

If SoA had the casting time of Shielding Hands.... i would love it .
I think that ranger + bonder / ele is faster and safer hehe. As you still need a smiter, being human... or not.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Yeah all I have left is the last mission for the Ebon Vangard and then the final 3 missions...

IattackU

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

NJ, America

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

E/Mo

Question, but in the video he showed a spot that a worm sometimes spawns.... but has there always been a worm boss there sometimes?

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

Yeah there is a random warrior wurm boss that will occasionally spawn there, as well as like 8 other places in gwen. He has Earthshaker.

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

E/

sorry if this has been explained already but now two of my friends have that wierd situation :/

they have only 36 vaettirs on Hard Mode (instead of 60) AND they dont have a quest blood washes blood in quest log

any idea how to fix this?

UnKn0wN415

UnKn0wN415

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bay Area

Looking 4 PvP Guild!

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
ragnagard, thanks so much for your suggestion about Kilroy's PunchOut... I hadn't ever done it before but after taking my lvl 12 Ele there last night, it only took me 3.5 hrs to get him to lvl 20. Now my build is complete and all I need is to access hard mode...

I'd never leveled up so fast... the hardest part is getting to lvl 10 to get into EotN... did they change the level requirement?? I though you need to be level 20 to access EOTN??

have not played PvE for awhile???

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnKn0wN415
did they change the level requirement?? I though you need to be level 20 to access EOTN??

have not played PvE for awhile??? They lowered the level since the Blowout Event, if I'm correct.

You now get a
buff untill you are level 20.

ThorDiantral

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Long Island, Ny

I Used Charm Animal On Your[MOM]

W/E

Any way for a warrior to do this farm? W/Me triple chop/hundred blades?

Thor Diantral

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

In Spain, of course

Gamer Espa??ol[GE]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThorDiantral
Any way for a warrior to do this farm? W/Me triple chop/hundred blades?

Thor Diantral If some warrior build worked here... you'll have notice it... as I would have posted it at Or. Post.

No way you can handle this in HM with a warrior, because of hexes. Clumsiness and/or some others.

Levelup a ele or even a Ranger if you wanna go Hard. (Or find another build, that would be fun! )

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

Darn this looks nice, I might try try it after Im done destroyer core farming . How much money would you say you recieved per hour(from the nerf)? Can i also have the names of the skills used, yes i know its listed as a skill template, but its just easier for me that way. Also is this a difficult run? Im just curious to see how hard it is to get to understand how to run this. Thanx for the nice build!

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

E/

sorry to bump like this guys, but any ideas about that 36 vaettirs on Hard Mode problem? <as I said without Blood washes blood in log already>

Lord Tetsu

Lord Tetsu

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2007

Mantra Of Shut Your {Face}

E/Mo

if someone could help me with a build like this without tenais crystals or silve armour since i dont have factions (i can do in nm ode) but in hm i usally die and the veatrais dont die fast i have 16 e storage etc. but yea i will give u 5e or 20k (sow demonstration) and if u guys can help me with in the next 2 days will give u 7e ty ^^

Raganagard awesome instructor helped with this farm and got me a working buildsides the fact that i dont have factions highly recommened if need elp.

Nechtan Thaumaturge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/

Another nice option for damage is Cry of Pain, especially if your Sunspear rank is much higher than your Deldrimor rank. The damage maxes out at 100, and it ignores armor. Also, Cry of Pain casts extremely quickly and cycles in 12 seconds, which isn't bad. It might read as if you need to actually disrupt something to do any damage, but that's not the case -- just cast away.

Cry of Pain does require a Mesmer hex to work, so you will have to sacrifice Storm Djinn's Haste, unfortunately. Just about anything will do, but Mind Wrack seems to be about the best, as it casts fairly quickly and lasts quite a long time.

So, the modified build would be:

Stoneflesh Aura
Glyph of Swiftness
Obsidian Flesh
Mind Wrack
Arcane Echo
Cry of Pain
Crystal Wave/Teinai's Crystals
Mantra of Earth

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Attributes and armor should be the same. You want to cast Teinai's Crystals under Glyph of Swiftness, if at all possible, and use Arcane Echo in concert with Cry of Pain. Twenty-five second battles are attainable, although the amount of time taken to clear the entire area is more or less the same, with five minutes being about the minimum.

wickedss

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Arizona...Valley of the Sunstroke

CBO

E/Me

Just wanted to say thanks for this awesome build. I am FAR from being leet so a lot of hm solo builds still give me grief (that is to say..it takes me a while to get it right.) However, this build has worked well for me from the get go. The only times I have died is when i wasn't paying attention or forgot to switch headpiece/weapon. I use this build as it was originally posted and it works perfectly.

Thanks again from the Forever Noob.

Raging Gainst

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

W/P

I use a W/Me build to do this run as well. Very efficient and with lucky and timing is possible on HM.

Triple Chop [E]
Cyclone Axe
Dismember
Whirlwind Attack
Epidemic
Mantra of Earth
Lion's Comfort
Enraging Charge

Pretty basic lol have a good time with this.

masta_yoda

masta_yoda

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

most hated players in the [game]

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ragnagard
NP man! Is just a level 20 char creation zone :P. And to be honest.... getting a full ele + build + weapons is about 8 hours (being canthan born) and about 25k to get all the required skills. After that is just profit.

HM is very easy to get as many Gwen missions are too short. Maybe the pre-last mission is the only one that maybe called "long".


Yeah I know that, I played as a monk too (I dunno why I have so many farmer chars lol).
I was just asking if it isnt a bit risky. counting on the 10 hits you can handle, 24 vaettirs are 2 * resistance and beyond.

If SoA had the casting time of Shielding Hands.... i would love it .
I think that ranger + bonder / ele is faster and safer hehe. As you still need a smiter, being human... or not. soa did have casting time of sh long ago but that was changed

Voltaic Annihilator

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

E/Me

is sliver armor neccessary

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltaic Annihilator
is sliver armor necessary Well its the easiest way to kill them, and it kills them one at a time which is better for drops. I mean you could just echo the two crystals spells for a total of 6 casts and kill them too but you get much less drop wise.

I've been getting the lower group of 24 all agro'd then maintaining Obsidian Flesh Mantra of Earth and StoneFlesh Aura. then echoing the crystals for 5 casts total before echoing Sliver Armor then repeating with the upper 36 is one big group.

Vall Dan

Vall Dan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Georgia

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutcrobi
Well its the easiest way to kill them, and it kills them one at a time which is better for drops. I mean you could just echo the two crystals spells for a total of 6 casts and kill them too but you get much less drop wise.

I've been getting the lower group of 24 all agro'd then maintaining Obsidian Flesh Mantra of Earth and StoneFlesh Aura. then echoing the crystals for 5 casts total before echoing Sliver Armor then repeating with the upper 36 is one big group. After getting my gloves yesterday using the OP's build, I must agree with above quote.

Using sliver only the drops were far more frequent, albiet at the expense of killing much much slower.

I hear about this "rumor" that killing too fast reduces drops. I really don't think it's a rumor after what I saw yesterday.

Awakener

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Templars of the Apocalypse [Zoso]

N/

Hey, just a question..
When ever I zone.. I don't get 60 foes, I only get 32.. any reasons why?

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

I've been farming this with an Elementalist, but with the Easter weekend (golden eggs!) coming up, I needed a decent farm for my main, a Ranger. Sat down for a while and came up with something that works pretty well on HM. Slower than Elementalist, but capable of a full 60 kill clearance, solo.

Without further ado:

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[skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill][skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill] Ebon Battle Standard of Honor [skill]Sliver Armor[/skill] Light of Deldrimor [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Serpent's Quickness[/skill] Dwarven Stability

Attributes: Wilderness 12, Earth 12, Expertise 3

Equipment: Full Radiant armor with 4 Attunement runes and a Wilderness headpiece with superior Wilderness rune; 20 energy staff with 20% longer enchantment duration. (For a total of 61 energy.)

Keep Serpent's, Obsidian and Stoneflesh up at all times. Use the Glyph to manage your energy. Don't rush, keep your energy up.

Use Light to soften up the little buggers, and Battle Standard/Sliver to kill them off one at a time. Yes, the Battle Standard adds armor ignoring damage to every sliver hit, boosting it to a respectable 20 damage with maxed Vanguard!

It takes practice getting the timing right because Obsidian and Stoneflesh have a pretty tiny recast window. It's easy being caught unable to refresh them if you get too eager casting your offense. Luckily, the build holds up with quite a bit of DP, making practice easy.

P.S. my Ranger being my main, I have max ranks in all 3 Reputation tracks involved in the build. I have no idea how it holds up using lesser ranks.

Edited to add attributes.

monk of the godss

monk of the godss

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Melbourne, Australia

All Hail The P I N K [BeVr]

A/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Awakener
Hey, just a question..
When ever I zone.. I don't get 60 foes, I only get 32.. any reasons why? have you completed the blood washes blood quest? if not u wont get as many spawns of vaettirs.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Don't you have to do Blood Washes Blood in order do even get EotN HM? Its part of the Norn quests to beat the game...

Only thing I could think of is if you beat EotN on another char, created this new one and haven't done BwB quest on the char you're trying to farm with...

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gli
I've been farming this with an Elementalist, but with the Easter weekend (golden eggs!) coming up, I needed a decent farm for my main, a Ranger. Sat down for a while and came up with something that works pretty well on HM. Slower than Elementalist, but capable of a full 60 kill clearance, solo.

Without further ado:

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[skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill][skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill]Ebon Battle Standard of Honor[skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]Light of Deldrimor[skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Serpent's Quickness[/skill]Dwarven Stability

Equipment: Full Radiant armor with 4 Attunement runes and a Wilderness headpiece with superior Wilderness rune; 20 energy staff with 20% longer enchantment duration. (For a total of 61 energy.)

Keep Serpent's, Obsidian and Stoneflesh up at all times. Use the Glyph to manage your energy. Don't rush, keep your energy up.

Use Light to soften up the little buggers, and Battle Standard/Sliver to kill them off one at a time. Yes, the Battle Standard adds armor ignoring damage to every sliver hit, boosting it to a respectable 20 damage with maxed Vanguard!

It takes practice getting the timing right because Obsidian and Stoneflesh have a pretty tiny recast window. It's easy being caught unable to refresh them if you get too eager casting your offense. Luckily, the build holds up with quite a bit of DP, making practice easy.

P.S. my Ranger being my main, I have max ranks in all 3 Reputation tracks involved in the build. I have no idea how it holds up using lesser ranks. Gli, I'm extremely interested in this build as I am a Ranger primary too... What do you have your attribute points set at?

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
Gli, I'm extremely interested in this build as I am a Ranger primary too... What do you have your attribute points set at? The answer is in the build code I posted, but here they are anyway: Wilderness 12, Earth 12, Expertise 3 (mostly useless). That's without runes of course. (I put them in my original post as well for convenience.)

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Do you have to use Dwarven Stability to keep Serpent's Quickness up at all times?

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
Do you have to use Dwarven Stability to keep Serpent's Quickness up at all times? Yep, that's what it's there for.

Dropsonde

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

I have a problem using the original build

I keep everything up and running fine etc etc, but then they start damaging me! They do 1 to 2 damage, but there is so many they kill me.

? I had a DP.

Oh and once the damage just stopped at 20hp lol

Skinny Corpse

Skinny Corpse

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Company of Corpses [CoC]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropsonde
I have a problem using the original build

I keep everything up and running fine etc etc, but then they start damaging me! They do 1 to 2 damage, but there is so many they kill me.

? I had a DP.

Oh and once the damage just stopped at 20hp lol
This happens to me too sometimes, some damage seem to slip through.. but usually it stops when I recast Stoneflesh and Sliver.

Maverick2201

Maverick2201

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

R/N

Well I finally beat EotN, got HM and got my Ele in there w/ 60 vaettirs. The OP's build works fantastic and the drops are quite good. In about 2 hrs of farming last night, I got 51 stones, 15 gold items (w/ a couple decent mods) and a ton of merch food.

The ONLY problem I have with this build (and its an unavoidable one) is that I can't aggro enough vaettirs at once. I cast all my stuff, aggro a bunch and then I have to stand still to cast stoneflesh again. Seems as soon as I stand still, they surround and body-block me so I can't move anymore.

Other than that, the build is fantastic. Thanks so much for talking me out of trying this with my ranger.

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

the more you practice the better you will get at getting larger groups. If many many runs i regularly get the lower 24 in one group and the rest in another.

tox_169

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Auckland, New Zealand

Same, I try to aggro as much as I can while plodding along with Obsidian Flesh on. Say there's a group on my left and one a bit further in front of me. I walk closer to the group out front, then wand the left group so they can join the fun. Sometimes walking diagonally (pressing keys WA or WD) works for me to move out of the body block and aggro an additional group.

But as I've observed, I get more drops taking on smaller groups rather than bunching them all up, so I've tended to do that now.

I usually do the farm run to relax anyway, farming the stones for my characters / gift to friends, so no pressure on myself for "best kill/time" ratio.

For variation though I do try to take on the vaettirs the way absolutcrobi does.

Sora267

Sora267

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Awakener
Hey, just a question..
When ever I zone.. I don't get 60 foes, I only get 32.. any reasons why? You have Blood Washes Blood active, so abandon it. Or, you haven't done it, so go do it. It's something BWB related either way.

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

In Spain, of course

Gamer Espa??ol[GE]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropsonde
I have a problem using the original build

I keep everything up and running fine etc etc, but then they start damaging me! They do 1 to 2 damage, but there is so many they kill me.

? I had a DP.

Oh and once the damage just stopped at 20hp lol That's because:

1) ya didnt read it 100%
2) ya forget to use the damage reduction agains earth
3) ya forget some insignia on you

if you see the first video, you can see how i get 0 dmg even without the XX% that mantra reduces.

Just buy them all (500 miserably gold coins) or bring a VS earth defense shield

hakon

hakon

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2008

rhode island

W/Rt

if your tring for glacial stones do a 600 smite with a monk i get about 20 a run with it

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

D/

Hey, love the farm been doing it for a while today. Was curious, how much do you sell your stones for and about how long does it take you?

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

When this first came out, like 25k for 100, now its more like 15k or so, really depends on how desperate the person is. Last time i traded 60 or so for 3 ectos.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2201
The ONLY problem I have with this build (and its an unavoidable one) is that I can't aggro enough vaettirs at once. I cast all my stuff, aggro a bunch and then I have to stand still to cast stoneflesh again. Seems as soon as I stand still, they surround and body-block me so I can't move anymore.

Other than that, the build is fantastic. Thanks so much for talking me out of trying this with my ranger. I never get stuck with the vaettirs since I got the hang of how to move around. You have to twist and turn a lot, moving so freshly aggrod ones come up behind you while the bulk of the ones you already got stuck on you is also behind you. New ones will try to circle you, but they move in pretty slowly. Once you avoid getting circled and get them to attack you, they'll never try to circle you again. It's only the new ones you need to fear. Of course, time your spells well, don't get caught casting while they're circling you.

Oh, and my ranger version of the build netted me 450 treasure hunter points during easter, which is why I made it. So it served me well enough.