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TaCktiX

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19 Dec 2007 at 05:11 - 241

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Originally Posted by SleetDragon

Well I see your point Shayne Hawkeye, I understand you see it as get 1,337,550 Exp then be done, but lets take a step back, do the players who wasted their time and money to remake their players to get the title get reimbursed? They earned the title the way I believe Anet intended for them to get it. So to allow other players to get a second chance without remaking now thats just not plain fair. I can understand that along with this implication some sort of reimbursment would be fair to the other players that had already recieved the title the original way? If that condition can be met I wouldnt be as impartial to say I don't like it.

Guess what, ANet has proven people wrong time and time again on "how it should be done." Hardcore PvP people are a little bugged because Zaishen Keys cannot be gotten from Tournament Tokens, but since we believed they would be extended to any future additional use of Balthazar Faction, we should get re-imbursed, right?

Alliance Faction used to not have so many ways to get redeemed, and since all the folks who got a really high faction total before it changed believed they should get extra credit for it, they should, right?

I have made the ignored point before that LDoA and LS are the most un-Title titles in the game. There are specific points where you cannot get them right now, unlike EVERY SINGLE OTHER title. There are no other titles where you "lose progress" towards them after a certain action.

I do not advocate changing LDoA right now, because it is a title meant to honor the Pre-searing community. I'm amazed people aren't complaining about the exclusive Charr Bags and Charr Salvage Kits you can only get in Pre-searing, because all the Prophecies characters never had a chance to get them (added March 07, June 07 respectively). It's a hard thing to fathom, but a lot of people NEVER LEAVE Pre-searing, and they're happy with that. LDoA is a title made for them.

But Legendary Survivor can be fixed without messing up intent. Having the option to restart and then "gain progress" in the title only makes sense. It's the only thing that brings it into line with the other 41 titles that exist. If you lost Fame for losing a Heroes' Ascent match, you would be fuming. If you lost the chance to get the bonus on the Great Northern Wall mission because you didn't know it existed and didn't do it the first time, you would be indignant. So why does the same thing exist for Legendary Survivor?

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19 Dec 2007 at 10:18 - 242

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

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But Legendary Survivor can be fixed without messing up intent. Having the option to restart and then "gain progress" in the title only makes sense. It's the only thing that brings it into line with the other 41 titles that exist. If you lost Fame for losing a Heroes' Ascent match, you would be fuming. If you lost the chance to get the bonus on the Great Northern Wall mission because you didn't know it existed and didn't do it the first time, you would be indignant. So why does the same thing exist for Legendary Survivor?

totally agree with this.

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

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Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

19 Dec 2007 at 10:27 - 243

/signed

Why should we have to restart our characters? We'd have to wait for our 3rd b-day present aswell =[

That's worse than murder!

And to who ever disagrees, please, don't be jealous that you didn't get to start your LS title at level 20.

Rachel Crow

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

W/Rt

19 Dec 2007 at 15:12 - 244

Everything this guy posted is just (insert bad word)! Basically by everything he said and all his amazing brain power leads to "whatever GW has set we must never change!...Also I had to do it one way so everybody else should too..."

By his logic...:
Lets unnerf all the skills while we're at it please, some people got hero points with IWay so now I want that too, oh and to change attributes that should cost skill points again because I lost skill points! Heaven forbid any changes to the game!

Lets face it, most people want to have survivour on their older characters, so lets stop trying to argue against a change that most people want. People have characters with over 25 maxed titles and looking forward to year 3 pets, asking them to remake is (insert bad word)!

Edit: I quoted the wrong guy and don't feel like going back lol.

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19 Dec 2007 at 15:30 - 245

I agree that LDoA and survivor should not coexist. And even there could be an alternate third title for those who failed to get survivor. But currently some characters can get a certain amout of titles, and other can't.

The whole point of the thread goes there.

Call it other way, if you want, like 'Endurer', that doesn't mater. The things is that there is 'imbalance' of the only type that PvE can have: Characters being able to access non-profession specific things other characers can't.

Even foreign characters can enter local Vizunah and vice-versa.

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19 Dec 2007 at 19:00 - 246

/signed
i think its a good idea

SleetDragon

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19 Dec 2007 at 19:04 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rachel Crow

Everything this guy posted is just (insert bad word)! Basically by everything he said and all his amazing brain power leads to "whatever GW has set we must never change!...Also I had to do it one way so everybody else should too..."

By his logic...:
Lets unnerf all the skills while we're at it please, some people got hero points with IWay so now I want that too, oh and to change attributes that should cost skill points again because I lost skill points! Heaven forbid any changes to the game!

Lets face it, most people want to have survivour on their older characters, so lets stop trying to argue against a change that most people want. People have characters with over 25 maxed titles and looking forward to year 3 pets, asking them to remake is (insert bad word)!

Edit: I quoted the wrong guy and don't feel like going back lol.

1. If you were refering to me, I believe everything you said is, ignorant. I never said GW shouldnt change anything, I'm saying that this title hasn't been adjusted in the last 2 years and I do not believe Anet is going to change it anyway. And I have never earned the title LS on any character and proud of the fact.
2.Again ignorance, I never said we should undo everything because its fair I'm saying this title raises more controversy to people that have already accomplished it in the original intent Anet put in place. If Anet wants to change it then a new forum is gonna pop up in reverse "Should older characters be allowed to get LS" because no not everyone agrees to change LS. And I personally don't care how old your character is, you missed the chance for the title go cry yourself to sleep and move on.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I agree that LDoA and survivor should not coexist. And even there could be an alternate third title for those who failed to get survivor. But currently some characters can get a certain amout of titles, and other can't.

The whole point of the thread goes there.

Call it other way, if you want, like 'Endurer', that doesn't mater. The things is that there is 'imbalance' of the only type that PvE can have: Characters being able to access non-profession specific things other characers can't.

Even foreign characters can enter local Vizunah and vice-versa.

I agree that is the point there is imbalance, but you should look at it this way I missed out on one title maybe... I should try for something I can still get. The whole point of this title was that if you failed up until this point you could not recieve the title.
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Just so oh by the way it takes 30 titles to reach maximum tier on the "Kind of a Big Deal" title track. There are currently 42 obtainable titles. Pick one of the other 12 and quit whining.

TaCktiX

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19 Dec 2007 at 19:36 - 248

Pssst...other than Faction rank, there have been no other PvP maxed titles by anybody yet.

StelardActek

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19 Dec 2007 at 22:55 - 249

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

How about we just make the LS title register towards the Maxed Titles track accountwide and be done with it?

I can't really support this, since I don't want LS on my main for the maxed titles track. I know I'll never get the maxed titles track maxed, so I'm not aiming for it. I just want to be able to show off the LS title on my main, since I never ever play the character I have it on.

Shayne Hawke

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20 Dec 2007 at 03:27 - 250

I took a recent poll of three in-game players of their opinions on the LS changes.

- IGN Elena Rasmus claimed that they would support the title, allowing them to get it on their Monk. She also said "then the only title I wouldn't be able to get on each character would be Legendary Defender of Ascalon," but I think we've covered that.

- IGN Fyni Sanbir said that she's heard of proposals like this in the past, but she doesn't think much of them. "My main title character can't get it, but it's not a big deal."

- IGN S N O Vv Vvhite opposed the idea, saying it would go against those who already have it. She said something along the lines of it being erasing all your mistakes until you get it right.

So, in general, people (who happened to be standing in Kamadan American District 1 at the same time I was) who have this title have consenting opinions on this subject as well.

I think that, for the most part, I'm done here. I want this title to be changed to something that we can earn the way the OP has suggested. However, I realize and have always known that you don't need LS to get the 30 titles you need for your God title. I'll let the other people here who are also very good at arguing all the points I am making keep pushing and the people who don't want change to fight back.

I have to go prepare for Wintersday.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

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20 Dec 2007 at 03:41 - 251

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

- IGN S N O Vv Vvhite opposed the idea, saying it would go against those who already have it. She said something along the lines of it being erasing all your mistakes until you get it right.

So many people who have it under the current system have restarted chars multiple times.

They make a mistake and fail. Yet they can start again.

The difference is they have nothing to lose.

So currently you can erase all your mistakes until you get it right.

Meo Yeong

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20 Dec 2007 at 03:50 - 252

/signed

I agree that survivor should be available somehow to older character.

TaCktiX

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20 Dec 2007 at 06:51 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

So many people who have it under the current system have restarted chars multiple times.

They make a mistake and fail. Yet they can start again.

The difference is they have nothing to lose.

So currently you can erase all your mistakes until you get it right.

Yeah, I had to restart my ele (my last eligible character for LS, and the last non-Level 20 non-going-for-LDoA non-without-titles-already) after a bone-headed monk aggroed every last wandering ghost in the Nolani bonus. Was quite irritating after I had invested an elite ele tome and 2 normal tomes on her. That, and the fact that the monk complained to ME for initially running away from the massive over-aggro. I came back and almost nuked them dead, but two were still alive when they cut me down.

So making it possible for me to restart so I don't suffer for someone else's stupid mistake would be nice. And allowing me to try again after my first character's "I was learning the game" mistakes is not wrong.

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

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20 Dec 2007 at 07:03 - 254

How about we make ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE TITLE for the pre-title characters only? Same xp requirement, just different writing. It'll make it so we get an exclusive, no longer available title and you can have your cheap, LS. We want our exclusive, surviving title.

Name suggestions yo?

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20 Dec 2007 at 08:05 - 255

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

Yeah, I had to restart my ele (my last eligible character for LS, and the last non-Level 20 non-going-for-LDoA non-without-titles-already) after a bone-headed monk aggroed every last wandering ghost in the Nolani bonus. Was quite irritating after I had invested an elite ele tome and 2 normal tomes on her. That, and the fact that the monk complained to ME for initially running away from the massive over-aggro. I came back and almost nuked them dead, but two were still alive when they cut me down.

So making it possible for me to restart so I don't suffer for someone else's stupid mistake would be nice. And allowing me to try again after my first character's "I was learning the game" mistakes is not wrong.

That's NOT what this thread is about.

TaCktiX

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20 Dec 2007 at 10:57 - 256

Isn't it? This thread is about giving a second chance to the people who never were able to get Legendary Survivor the first time. This falls under people with pre-Factions characters, and people who had first characters, and certainly made a boatload of silly mistakes they wouldn't ever do again, negating their chance of getting the title. A lot of people's first characters are their main characters, their "title chars", their favorites. As posted above, a second chance is the only thing that would make Legendary Survivor make sense next to every single title.

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20 Dec 2007 at 12:47 - 257

/Signed
I really would like my main char to be a survivor, but I just can't remake her for she is my eldest char.

MithranArkanere

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20 Dec 2007 at 12:48 - 258

This is Guild Wars.

We don't re-roll, we re-play. The far from the 'pay real cash to re-roll' system found in other games we are, the better.

Hanok Odbrook

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20 Dec 2007 at 17:55 - 259

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

You still have to survive for 1,337,500 sequential XP. Just because it doesn't start at Level 1 does not cheapen the title in any way at all. It's not like people will suddenly be able to doubleaggro, solo DoA with a whammo, or charge without monks into a mob and get the title. It's STILL as hard as it always has been, and it's not cheapened in any way.

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

How about we make ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE TITLE for the pre-title characters only? Same xp requirement, just different writing. It'll make it so we get an exclusive, no longer available title and you can have your cheap, LS. We want our exclusive, surviving title.

Name suggestions yo?

Which is what I suggested previously. I am not in favor of changing the current Survivor title, even though about half of my total characters are from Tyria and I was not able to keep one alive long enough to get the title - even long before the title came about. However, I am not opposed to adding a new title for those who desire some kind of recognition for being able to achieve "surviving" status. I would just suggest to make it mutually exclusive with the Survivor title so characters who are true survivors cannot go for that title so long as they have a rank in the current one - even after they die.

There is a major point here that all the supporters for a change are missing. Sure it's still tough to gain that million+ XP even with "helpers" such as scrolls, repeatable quests, elite caps, et al. But the point of the Survivor title is that it was created for those who were able to do it with ZERO deaths, just as LDoA is a reward for the perma-pre characters. Everything else aside, players who have characters with deaths should not be able to share a title with players who have zero deaths - that defeats the original purpose of the title.

Again, let's just create a new title that anyone not eligible for the Survivor title can go for. In addition to that, I would also like to see further tiers in the current Survivor as I mentioned before, to reward those who still are going with zero deaths on a character.

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22 Dec 2007 at 02:28 - 260

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

But the point of the Survivor title is that it was created for those who were able to do it with ZERO deaths, just as LDoA is a reward for the perma-pre characters.

I've always had a slight issue with people saying things like this, but I've not said anything until now. Has ArenaNet ever actually /said/ these things, or is it just what people /assume/ the reason these titles was created? Because I've never seen it said anywhere. Just because those who were anal enough to avoid death completely before titles out got Survivor instantly, doesn't mean that ANet created the title just to reward those people.

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

In addition to that, I would also like to see further tiers in the current Survivor as I mentioned before, to reward those who still are going with zero deaths on a character.

I have to say I'm strongly against adding more tiers to any title, especially one you can disqualify for, like Survivor. That would be to punish those people who have died since getting LS.

I still maintain that it is impossible to play socially with other people while avoiding all deaths, unless they happen to be just like you on that matter.

Rachel Crow

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24 Dec 2007 at 04:05 - 261

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Originally Posted by SleetDragon

1. If you were refering to me, I believe everything you said is, ignorant. I never said GW shouldnt change anything, I'm saying that this title hasn't been adjusted in the last 2 years and I do not believe Anet is going to change it anyway. And I have never earned the title LS on any character and proud of the fact.
2.Again ignorance, I never said we should undo everything because its fair I'm saying this title raises more controversy to people that have already accomplished it in the original intent Anet put in place. If Anet wants to change it then a new forum is gonna pop up in reverse "Should older characters be allowed to get LS" because no not everyone agrees to change LS. And I personally don't care how old your character is, you missed the chance for the title go cry yourself to sleep and move on.

I agree that is the point there is imbalance, but you should look at it this way I missed out on one title maybe... I should try for something I can still get. The whole point of this title was that if you failed up until this point you could not recieve the title.
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Just so oh by the way it takes 30 titles to reach maximum tier on the "Kind of a Big Deal" title track. There are currently 42 obtainable titles. Pick one of the other 12 and quit whining.

Wasn't talking about you but ty for the "ignorance" flame I mean intelligent tip.

(he's happy)

I'm just posting again to hopefully bring people down from talking about nazi's all the way to calling people ignorant out of the blue, so...

Can we vote for this already or not? We obviously have majority that want it seeing as the older players are usually smarter then the newer players.

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24 Dec 2007 at 04:34 - 262

I kinda like the idea of making a separate "survivor"-ish title for those who failed it.

SleetDragon

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24 Dec 2007 at 05:22 - 263

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Originally Posted by Rachel Crow

Wasn't talking about you but ty for the "ignorance" flame I mean intelligent tip.

(he's happy)

I'm just posting again to hopefully bring people down from talking about nazi's all the way to calling people ignorant out of the blue, so...

Can we vote for this already or not? We obviously have majority that want it seeing as the older players are usually smarter then the newer players.

Well I do apologize, that being said being called ignorant is a big diffrence than being called a nazi, and no we don't have a majority on either side. And newer characters matter just as much as older ones, its not your right to dictate who's vote counts more.

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24 Dec 2007 at 06:02 - 264

New characters stand to benefit from this change too, though, since they too could reset their progress towards the title instead of creating a whole new character (for a fee equivalent to the cost of setting up a new character).

TaCktiX

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24 Dec 2007 at 06:11 - 265

Yeah, the point's been made countless times before that this helps EVERYBODY, and nobody's really screwed out of anything except idiots on ego-trips for having gone to extreme lengths to get their LS being unable to brag as hard.

Isileth

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24 Dec 2007 at 11:29 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randvek

I kinda like the idea of making a separate "survivor"-ish title for those who failed it.

The point is pre title chars havent failed it. They cant even go for it.

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24 Dec 2007 at 12:04 - 267

This idea can't be implimented squarely on the fact that your characters can simply go to certain areas that a newly made character can't. For example, my friend spent the time and effort getting to the area to FFF Kurzick faction for rank 3 Survivor. Now, if they enabled this, I would just do the same thing until I get the title....and it'd be easier for me, because I'd just go warp to the outpost and begin.

In conclusion...NO.

TaCktiX

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24 Dec 2007 at 12:33 - 268

And how many "90% of the way" arguments need to be posted before all the pithy "but you can't do that at Level 1!" excuses go away? Legendary Survivor is nearly 10 times more experience than Survivor, and by the time you get to Level 20, you can pretty much get anywhere you want to. Survivor is such a cheap title with Tomes and such, it's not even funny (and I say this with a Survivor Rit who had zero tomes and zero maxed weapons/armor until after Level 20).

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24 Dec 2007 at 12:35 - 269

I know that I probably didn't sign this, but after reading some posts I'll give this a /signed.

Rachel Crow

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24 Dec 2007 at 18:14 - 270

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Originally Posted by SleetDragon

Well I do apologize, that being said being called ignorant is a big diffrence than being called a nazi, and no we don't have a majority on either side. And newer characters matter just as much as older ones, its not your right to dictate who's vote counts more.

I wonder about him sometimes...lol. I don't feel like picking out why he's wrong in this one and probably a few next ones but..aw heck it's guru and it's expected.

1. "...that being said being called ignorant is a big diffrence than being called a nazi..."

Really? They are different? being called orange is a big -diffrence- than being called chair.

Nobody called anybody a Nazi, I said they were talking about Nazi's lol

2."...and no we don't have a majority on either side."

Want to count the /signed over the /unsigned yet? You could argue not everybody is online guru who may vote against, but in the same breath not everybody is online to vote for, and I know a couple guilds full of people who would enjoy having an opporunity to get LS on their older characters who never had a chance. (they usually dont bother with forum flames...I got sucked in somehow...

)

3. "...And newer characters matter just as much as older ones,..."

Relation? Who said anything about that lol. I said they usually aren't as smart since they are new. But hey if you know somebody who joined GW in the last couple months who magically knew everything...give me their name so I can give them some free gold.

4. "...its not your right to dictate who's vote counts more."

Maybe you don't know how voting works, so let me explain to you. Everybody has 1 vote, and they can choose what to vote for. Should Rachel vote for 1 /signed that doesn't magically make her vote count more then somebody elses vote. That's the reason why governments have voting, because it keeps things equal.

Now I don't know how you thought voting works, but I never said anything about how to dictate whos vote "counts more" then others

I'm now going to perma-ignore this thread because people like Sleet Dragon literally gave Guru-Flameing the reputation it has. Good ideas are good ideas, this is one of them. Maybe if it was just a giant poll it would be better not to have others contribute their opinnions.

Sleet Dragon, you made me flame you because you are so easy, you did get the apology right atleast for flaming me earlier about nothing, feel free to frenzy all over my post now and throw in some nazi's or whatever lol.

/signed - There's my vote again incase people wonder which they shouldn't.

XiaoTheBlade

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24 Dec 2007 at 19:09 - 272

I wouldn't mind getting a chance at Legendary Survivor on my favourite (prophecies) character.

I don't see how anyone could claim it "cheapens the title" and "it's going to be so easy now".

NEWSFLASH : it's PvE, it will always be easy.
And cheapening a title ? Come on, thousands upon thousands of players already have it. How much "cheaper" can it get ? I assume you all forgot about the scrimmage exploit that gave you LS in a day of AFK farming ? We're talking about getting all the XP, without dieing, in a legit way. No matter how you twist or turn that, that's still a good way to earn a title...

MithranArkanere

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24 Dec 2007 at 19:22 - 273

Yeah. Even with the Fronis Dungeon trcik ,you may already die.

It do nopt grant the title, it just allow to re-take it.

SleetDragon

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24 Dec 2007 at 19:41 - 274

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rachel Crow

I wonder about him sometimes...lol. I don't feel like picking out why he's wrong in this one and probably a few next ones but..aw heck it's guru and it's expected.

1. "...that being said being called ignorant is a big diffrence than being called a nazi..."

Really? They are different? being called orange is a big -diffrence- than being called chair.

Nobody called anybody a Nazi, I said they were talking about Nazi's lol

2."...and no we don't have a majority on either side."

Want to count the /signed over the /unsigned yet? You could argue not everybody is online guru who may vote against, but in the same breath not everybody is online to vote for, and I know a couple guilds full of people who would enjoy having an opporunity to get LS on their older characters who never had a chance. (they usually dont bother with forum flames...I got sucked in somehow...

)

3. "...And newer characters matter just as much as older ones,..."

Relation? Who said anything about that lol. I said they usually aren't as smart since they are new. But hey if you know somebody who joined GW in the last couple months who magically knew everything...give me their name so I can give them some free gold.

4. "...its not your right to dictate who's vote counts more."

Maybe you don't know how voting works, so let me explain to you. Everybody has 1 vote, and they can choose what to vote for. Should Rachel vote for 1 /signed that doesn't magically make her vote count more then somebody elses vote. That's the reason why governments have voting, because it keeps things equal.

Now I don't know how you thought voting works, but I never said anything about how to dictate whos vote "counts more" then others

I'm now going to perma-ignore this thread because people like Sleet Dragon literally gave Guru-Flameing the reputation it has. Good ideas are good ideas, this is one of them. Maybe if it was just a giant poll it would be better not to have others contribute their opinnions.

Sleet Dragon, you made me flame you because you are so easy, you did get the apology right atleast for flaming me earlier about nothing, feel free to frenzy all over my post now and throw in some nazi's or whatever lol.

/signed - There's my vote again incase people wonder which they shouldn't.

Ok Just two questions: What Flaming? What are you talking about?
Calling someone ignorant is not flaming if I were to call you some other rude names which I never have and never will on guru then I could see why you would think that, but I never called anyone stupid, or idoits I've just been disagreeing, perhaps I was right when I first said before you are as ignorant as I was for originally calling you ignorant. I fail to see how I have really necesarily flamed any one in particular, ignorant isn't being stupid its just reading over something and failing to see something before, just as I did when I wrote the previous comments. If this is what gave guru its flaming policy all I can say is *GASP*. As far as the newer characters comments go it still stands they have as much right to comment on what they think I don't care how new they are if they're smart enough to log in and figure out what we're talking about perhaps they aren't so new. And thank you I now know how to vote thanks to you... Perhaps if you were more specific with your comments we wouldn't have to guess what you are saying, I dunno you confused me from the bggining. This forum is growing on my nerves and I am going to perma ignore aswell. So as far as it goes and aslong as Guild Wars is still making updates.
/Not Signed Permanently-In case you forgot...

Jay Em

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Finland

24 Dec 2007 at 22:35 - 275

/signed

I would love to get this title for my main character but since I can't, I made ritualist week ago and got LS for him. It just doesn't feel the same..
Also I won't even think about deleting my main char since he has 25 maxed titles and a lot of customized items that cost too much for me to buy again.

I like the idea of a fee to pay to try to get this title, it could be something like 100k+20e and I would pay it, it would still be cheaper than maxed sweet tooth...

Melody Cross

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Alliance of Anguish [aOa]

Mo/

24 Dec 2007 at 22:48 - 276

/signed as usual.

Anything that can be done to make the LS title track on old characters is a good thing in my book. Its not that the title is so very hard to get (with Nightfall Heroes, its darn easy). Others were. Items customized to characters were.

IAL

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/Mo

24 Dec 2007 at 23:58 - 277

/Signed .

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

26 Dec 2007 at 20:11 - 278

still think this probably one of the best idea's in this forum (together with the armor system post).

let's hope the devs notice it on day

TaCktiX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Order of Chaos Reborn [ToC]

26 Dec 2007 at 21:38 - 279

While the armor system post is more than likely more work than ANet's willing to pour into GW1 with full-steam development in GW2 being what it is now (I wouldn't be surprised if that came AFTER GW2 is finished, as a final "thanks" to the faithful), this Survivor thing won't be that hard to put in. Skin some random NPC (Durmand wasn't anything original, nor were any of the book traders), stick him in the major cities, put a fee on it. Then on the data side, separate experience from progress on the Survivor track, though initialize them the same when a new character is created. Then have the NPC reset the Survivor xp while not changing the character's xp.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

26 Dec 2007 at 23:36 - 280

while i don't realy have any experience with game programming, i indeed don't think i'd be hard to implent. And it'd be a welcome addition.