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The game changes, older characters can't always have everything.
Survivor title for old characters
Solus Spartan
Day Trooper
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The game changes, older characters can't always have everything. |
So - the game can be changed to allow older chars a crack at Survivor!
Solus Spartan
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Why not?? You yourself just said 'The game changes.'
So - the game can be changed to allow older chars a crack at Survivor! |
Imagine A-net is the all-mighty creators of the A-Bomb, the USA.
Germany, Nazi Germany is complaining about the fact they used they atomic theory first, yet America "released" the bomb onto Japan, thust updating the world as we know it. Because Nazi Germany first tried to construct the bomb & failed means America should give it to them? NO. Germany failed to create the bomb, because it didn't exist.
Sorry Adolf, you missed out.
I was taking a break from GW's when the BMP offer was up, does that mean I should receive it? I have purchased guildwars products online meeting the $ requirements before, shouldn't I receive the BMP as well? NO. I did not meet the requirement of the allocated time period.
Sorry Solus, you missed out.
Older characters will not get the title, because it didn't exist.
Sorry Old-Timers, you missed out.
Isileth
The difference is Solous, this is GW. A game.
Currently there is a mechanic in place that prevents old chars from being able to achieve a title. Unlike your example, it can be changed.
This mechanic is obviousely stopping people from acomplishing something ingame, and that is obviousely annoying some players.
Its not as if its something that effects anyone else, if these players are allowed to try and achieve the titles no one else is affected.
The only thing the change would do is allow old chars a chance to get the title. No negatives for anyone else.
Currently there is a mechanic in place that prevents old chars from being able to achieve a title. Unlike your example, it can be changed.
This mechanic is obviousely stopping people from acomplishing something ingame, and that is obviousely annoying some players.
Its not as if its something that effects anyone else, if these players are allowed to try and achieve the titles no one else is affected.
The only thing the change would do is allow old chars a chance to get the title. No negatives for anyone else.
Solus Spartan
No negatives? There is plenty of negatives. First off we've have 100's of Prophs characters running around ranting about getting the title, and how much effort it required to get it.
I wasn't around for some of the first event items, but I feel I DESERVE IT! Do I get the items? Should I make and post about it and rant/flame all day?
No.
If you missed out, Get over it. It won't change.
I wasn't around for some of the first event items, but I feel I DESERVE IT! Do I get the items? Should I make and post about it and rant/flame all day?
No.
If you missed out, Get over it. It won't change.
Isileth
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No negatives? There is plenty of negatives. First off we've have 100's of Prophs characters running around ranting about getting the title, and how much effort it required to get it.
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I wasn't around for some of the first event items, but I feel I DESERVE IT! Do I get the items? Should I make and post about it and rant/flame all day?
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Besides this isnt a rant, this is a suggestion forum where people are suggesting a change so that older chars created before the titles was introduced can try and achieve it.
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If you missed out, Get over it. It won't change.
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Thats why there are people here suggesting the change. Just because you say it wont happen doesnt mean it wont.
Solus Spartan
When in the passed has something like this been changed?
Ofcourse it can change, but if it did, I except the holiday items, I missed out, Prophs titlers missed out. Shit happens, get over it.
Ofcourse it can change, but if it did, I except the holiday items, I missed out, Prophs titlers missed out. Shit happens, get over it.
Isileth
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When in the passed has something like this been changed?
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Gaile came out and stated there would not be anymore storage added. Yet they did.
This they havent even said no to
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Ofcourse it can change, but if it did, I except the holiday items, I missed out, Prophs titlers missed out. Shit happens, get over it.
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This isnt a "Add it or ill quit" thread. Its just a suggestion.
And as I said before, missing a holiday is different.
The holiday is a short term event.
However if you want to start a new thread suggesting you be allowed access to it, go right ahead.
TaCktiX
What's wrong with giving experienced players another challenge on their favorite characters? People are complaining all the time that they're running out of content to play with, and they're bored. Unbore them by adding something else they can do: go for Legendary Survivor after they've done most everything out there. I bet you (and I'm in this camp), that I won't change WHAT I'm playing (HM, random dungeons, etc.), only HOW I'm playing it. And what's a better change of pace than to change how you play the game?
Solus Spartan
Things that only benefit a minority of players does that benefit the whole. Use your brain and stop asking for self-centered updates.
TaCktiX
Adding character longevity is not something that benefits the minority. It benefits every single role-playing character out there. It's far from self-centered to wish for the entire community to be able to have second shots at one of the more difficult titles to put into practice (it's easy to get if you're playing the game correctly, no mistakes).
MithranArkanere
Well... it's not difficult, it's just 'impossible'.
Older characters never had a chance, they didn't knew about it.
Knowledge is power. Who tries a title that can't be acquired?
Older characters never had a chance, they didn't knew about it.
Knowledge is power. Who tries a title that can't be acquired?
StelardActek
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Well... it's not difficult, it's just 'impossible'.
Older characters never had a chance, they didn't knew about it. Knowledge is power. Who tries a title that can't be acquired? |
MithranArkanere
Of course, it won't be fair just let older characters. All titles but LDoA and Survivor can be tried anytime.
But only survivor is available to all characters, and only in a very limited way.
But only survivor is available to all characters, and only in a very limited way.
Solus Spartan
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Of course, it won't be fair just let older characters. All titles but LDoA and Survivor can be tried anytime.
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Seems not, back to the minority.
Sorry bud, but if you change one thing, more rants start, as this one did.
People get annoyed they don't get to have everything they want, so they make threads about it. I don't want 98% of the Changes to skills A-net makes, and I doubt many people would. Yet A-net does not change things because I want them, they change things to "balance the game". So Isn't it simply? IF older one-minded characters were given a chance @ survivor title, the whole GuildWars order as we know it would collaspe. Thankgod A-net predicted the outcome and, let's say "changed the future" by not giving the the survivor title to older characters. Good job A-net! *high five*
Let's say a character in prophs did achieve the 1337k experiance required with 0 deaths. Sure, let's give them the title, they planned ahead. Unfornately, for those that did not and are now pissed, you failed to predict the title, you failed to get the title based on the predictions, therefore you don't get the title. When will you people learn.
You don't get second changes at suriving. If you failed to meet the requirements, you don't deserve the title.
Day Trooper
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IF older one-minded characters were given a chance @ survivor title, the whole GuildWars order as we know it would collaspe.
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Well, maybe for Solus it would kill GW
. Hey, that would probably make him in the minority, wouldn't it? 
I just don't see why some peeps have such an adamant stance against this.
As I explained earlier, this title has become almost a complete joke now. Not only can you just {F12}{ENTER} yourself out of that near-death, but in addition new chars are given all sorts of extra advantages that make it just that much easier to achieve.
ANet, why should us old-timers not be given a crack at this?
pumpkin pie
why hasn't Anet say anything regarding the survivor title for character before factions?
sure would be nice to know where Anet stands regarding this.
I am very curious, how is making survivor title available for older characters make the whole Guild Wars Order as we know it collapse? what the hell is a Guild Wars Order? and why is older character "One Minded?" please do elaborate. or that's just YOUR ONE MINDED OPINION?
as a matter of fact some players do rant and whine about events items, ie make hat available, bla bla bla, and they got it, the HAT NPC. things do change. but if you had not bought the game back then, i don't see any point of you ranting about not getting the event items, unless if you did purchase the game back when the events were and did not get the items ... go ahead, rant, I won't stop you.
sure would be nice to know where Anet stands regarding this.
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O, now how does leaving out LDOA/Survivor titles make it fair? Shouldn't it benefit the whole?
Seems not, back to the minority. Sorry bud, but if you change one thing, more rants start, as this one did. People get annoyed they don't get to have everything they want, so they make threads about it. I don't want 98% of the Changes to skills A-net makes, and I doubt many people would. Yet A-net does not change things because I want them, they change things to "balance the game". So Isn't it simply? IF older one-minded characters were given a chance @ survivor title, the whole GuildWars order as we know it would collaspe. Thankgod A-net predicted the outcome and, let's say "changed the future" by not giving the the survivor title to older characters. Good job A-net! *high five* Let's say a character in prophs did achieve the 1337k experiance required with 0 deaths. Sure, let's give them the title, they planned ahead. Unfornately, for those that did not and are now pissed, you failed to predict the title, you failed to get the title based on the predictions, therefore you don't get the title. When will you people learn. You don't get second changes at suriving. If you failed to meet the requirements, you don't deserve the title. |
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No negatives? There is plenty of negatives. First off we've have 100's of Prophs characters running around ranting about getting the title, and how much effort it required to get it.
I wasn't around for some of the first event items, but I feel I DESERVE IT! Do I get the items? Should I make and post about it and rant/flame all day? No. If you missed out, Get over it. It won't change. |
things do change. but if you had not bought the game back then, i don't see any point of you ranting about not getting the event items, unless if you did purchase the game back when the events were and did not get the items ... go ahead, rant, I won't stop you.
The Legg
never going to happen, we all had the choice to remake characters when factions came out in order to get the survivor title. Those that chose not to then that is your choice, live with it.
Day Trooper
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I just don't see why some peeps have such an adamant stance against this.
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never going to happen, we all had the choice to remake characters when factions came out in order to get the survivor title. Those that chose not to then that is your choice, live with it.
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Oh - and 'never say never'
Especially when it come to Guild Wars!
Mad Punisher
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good idea
good idea
T. Drake
I had a ranger before Factions release.
The Survivor Title appeared with Factions and I couldn't care less.
Brought this ranger through all three campaigns later, capped all elites, bought all skills and two 15K armours. He had 5 maxed titles.
I've deleted him and started a new ranger. He's got the survivor title now + 26 others.
So what is the problem?
Now, should I demand from A.Net to give me "my money" back which I used to equip my old ranger, because they suddenly decide to give pre-Factions characters a chance to get the title?
I have a new one, because I wanted the survivor title.
The Survivor Title appeared with Factions and I couldn't care less.
Brought this ranger through all three campaigns later, capped all elites, bought all skills and two 15K armours. He had 5 maxed titles.
I've deleted him and started a new ranger. He's got the survivor title now + 26 others.
So what is the problem?
Now, should I demand from A.Net to give me "my money" back which I used to equip my old ranger, because they suddenly decide to give pre-Factions characters a chance to get the title?
I have a new one, because I wanted the survivor title.
Day Trooper
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I've deleted him and started a new ranger. He's got the survivor title now + 26 others....I have a new one, because I wanted the survivor title.
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So what is the problem?
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Again - what is your issue with this?
ANet can change this - it is a game after all (lord knows everything else in this game does!)
Day Trooper
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I've deleted him and started a new ranger. He's got the survivor title now + 26 others....I have a new one, because I wanted the survivor title.
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So what is the problem?
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In addition - isn't deleting a character kind of a silly thing to ask players to do - to attain a title they never had a shot at??
Again - what is your issue with this?
ANet can change this - it is a game after all (lord know everything else in this game does!)
Mordakai
It's like Legendary Defender of Ascalon: You have to choose to pursue before a certain point in the game.
The fact that LDoA and Survivor are mutually exclusive is not by chance either....
The fact that LDoA and Survivor are mutually exclusive is not by chance either....
Day Trooper
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It's like Legendary Defender of Ascalon: You have to choose to pursue before a certain point in the game.
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The fact that LDoA and Survivor are mutually exclusive is not by chance either....
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T. Drake
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Well great for you! GGs
Simple! The problem is old chars never had a chance to go for this title. Just because you remade your char - doesn't mean everyone else had to do the same (no way I'll ever delete my main). In addition - isn't deleting a character kind of a silly thing to ask players to do - to attain a title they never had a shot at?? Again - what is your issue with this? ANet can change this - it is a game after all (lord know everything else in this game does!) |
My old character had no choice either, so I "sacrificed" him to restart again and get the title.
So why can't you do the same? Is it laziness?
What the OP asks for is a chance to "get a shot at a title" again and again.
Yeah if you use certain way it's not a problem to reach 1.337.500 EP, but earning the money in order to pay the fee is not a problem either.
And I really don't want to think about the fact that this option would give the Database guys at A.Net a real headache. They would need to invest some money for this. For a game that they are already done with.
Isileth
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My old character had no choice either, so I "sacrificed" him to restart again and get the title.
So why can't you do the same? Is it laziness? |
Just because others have done so, doesnt change the fact that the mechanic is still poor. This is a CORPG afterall. Deleting a char just to be able to attempt part of the game is bad enough, even more so when its an RPG.
Day Trooper
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The point is, its a bad mechanic. You shouldnt have to delete your char.
Just because others have done so, doesnt change the fact that the mechanic is still poor. This is a CORPG afterall. Deleting a char just to be able to attempt part of the game is bad enough, even more so when its an RPG. |
Lil Ferk
I'm probably sounding really ignorant here but couldn't you guys just make a new char work it up to ur main's status and delete ur main when he's no different from ur other char(except for maybe the name)
The only problem with that i can see would be bdays. But w/e i stated my idea what do u think?
The only problem with that i can see would be bdays. But w/e i stated my idea what do u think?
Isileth
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I'm probably sounding really ignorant here but couldn't you guys just make a new char work it up to ur main's status and delete ur main when he's no different from ur other char(except for maybe the name)
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If they deleted it they would never get it back to the level it was at.
And then as you pointed out birthdays as well.
People shouldnt have to delete a char just to be able to show a title on their main char. Especially when they could have that title on another char.
While the player can and possibly has achieved it, they cant show it because it isnt on their main char.
Clarissa F
ummm, delete your old character, use the exact same name and looks for the new character, get survivor. If you are REALLY that attached to the character, other than that "awesome" minipet farm it creates for you every year, to the point it hurts to delete it, then recreate the EXACT same character in name and looks, you have problems. Deep....deep problems.
Get help. Long term help.
And please, let's not hear of the "time invested in the character". It's not like you are investing in a profession or education. You are playing a game. It is fun, and yes, other real people play characters with you, but it's just a character in a game.
Get help. Long term help.
And please, let's not hear of the "time invested in the character". It's not like you are investing in a profession or education. You are playing a game. It is fun, and yes, other real people play characters with you, but it's just a character in a game.
Isileth
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It is fun, and yes, other real people play characters with you, but it's just a character in a game.
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I havent seen any posts here that come even close to your suggested attachment to a char. Its just a suggestion that chars created before the title can try and get it without having to start all over again.
TaCktiX
I find it interesting that the only people overtly opposed to the change are the people who suckered up and deleted their characters for the sake of the title. It's as if the only way you can rationalize your personal decision to delete is to insist everyone else has to do it that way as well.
Clarissa F
point taken. Thing is, it doesn't take long to roll up a character and get him to level. Especially now, when you can get them to lvl 10, go to Lion's Arch, hop over to Kaineng or even EotN, now, get max armor and weapons, and buff your character to lvl 20. Especially with the EotN option, there is a greater chance to get survivor than ever: with very little time invested(a week at an hour or so a day and a few hours a day on the weekend).
Considering how many times this has been debated, if Anet were going to do it, it would be done. Kill your prize monk or whatever...have a beer...re-roll.
And if you are complaining because of having your character since the beginning of Proph, that is a bit of extreme sentimentality saved for the killing off of favorite characters in prime time tv dramas/soap operas. Go watch Oprah and reroll.
Considering how many times this has been debated, if Anet were going to do it, it would be done. Kill your prize monk or whatever...have a beer...re-roll.
And if you are complaining because of having your character since the beginning of Proph, that is a bit of extreme sentimentality saved for the killing off of favorite characters in prime time tv dramas/soap operas. Go watch Oprah and reroll.
MithranArkanere
Sorry, but I'm not deleting my characters with more than 600 purchased skills, and I still deserve being able to access a title that didn't exited before their creation.
Isileth
Its not the level. A lot of people have 20+ titles on these chars. Titles that would take a long time to get again. People have armor and weapons etc.
Not everyone can play hours a day. A lot of players wouldnt not have time to get to that position again.
The reason they either delete or miss out is is because of this mechanic. That can be changed.
Not everyone can play hours a day. A lot of players wouldnt not have time to get to that position again.
The reason they either delete or miss out is is because of this mechanic. That can be changed.
Solus Spartan
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Sorry, but I'm not deleting my characters with more than 600 purchased skills
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Isileth
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Then you don't get the title. Simple.
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TaCktiX
No, we couldn't possibly be suggesting that. How dare we use Sardelac Sanitarium for well-informed possible changes to the game we love that would make it better? I mean, the nerve of us...
Solus Spartan
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Or, as we are suggesting
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Anyway, if this was an issue, should have been solved when the title was released. Not solved then, why would A-net care about it now.
I feel I've stated my points, thus I leave let this train-wreck idea die and not give it the attention.