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/notsigned Bad idea. You can't have cake and eat it.
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Survivor title for old characters
pumpkin pie
MithranArkanere
Yes, you can, if you have TWO cakes, if you eat part of the cake, after eating it, in your stomach...
But that has nothing to do with this.
The original Addition of Survivor was to praise those characters that already had 0 deaths. When the title was added. Ding. They got it instantly.
But that was a mistake, like the LDoA, because those characters had 0 deaths for the mere purpose of having 0 deaths. Not to get a title.
Now, there is a title that praises getting xxxXP without a single death. Dad did not existed, so players could not go for it. But now, players can activaly go for it, as long as they create new characters.
You can say, it's like masks, you get them if you where there...
NO.
You can get a title with a new character. Today.
You can't get it with an old character, never.
And since a lag hit it's the most probable case of Survivor broken when a character goes for it, that turns Survivor into a title about luck, not about skill.
Whatever the way it is, Old characters should have the chances to be able to try it.
They should have reseted the death counters to 0, informpeople about the title and make the title start from 0 for all characters when the title was added, by the way. They didn't do that, but it's not late to fix a wrongdoing.
But that has nothing to do with this.
The original Addition of Survivor was to praise those characters that already had 0 deaths. When the title was added. Ding. They got it instantly.
But that was a mistake, like the LDoA, because those characters had 0 deaths for the mere purpose of having 0 deaths. Not to get a title.
Now, there is a title that praises getting xxxXP without a single death. Dad did not existed, so players could not go for it. But now, players can activaly go for it, as long as they create new characters.
You can say, it's like masks, you get them if you where there...
NO.
You can get a title with a new character. Today.
You can't get it with an old character, never.
And since a lag hit it's the most probable case of Survivor broken when a character goes for it, that turns Survivor into a title about luck, not about skill.
Whatever the way it is, Old characters should have the chances to be able to try it.
They should have reseted the death counters to 0, informpeople about the title and make the title start from 0 for all characters when the title was added, by the way. They didn't do that, but it's not late to fix a wrongdoing.
pumpkin pie
Yo there, MithranArkanere,
Two cakes is better then one cake...I'd eat them both. Rofl, and I am not sure which Idea you are supporting, I am all for this idea, counter reset between death.
Two cakes is better then one cake...I'd eat them both. Rofl, and I am not sure which Idea you are supporting, I am all for this idea, counter reset between death.
Graphik Desine
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i believe the point of /sign and /notsign----is elaborating your thoughts past "yes" or "no" "maybe" or "qq."
cmon...elaborate. if you don't have an opinion to voice, don't type those kind of things at all
chowmein69
/signed
this is a good idea.
this is a good idea.
StelardActek
What is 'QQing' anyway?
Also, makoto, could you elaborate and say why you think it's a bad idea?
And to those people who are saying 'the whole point of survivor is to start from level 1 bla bla bla', please remember that is just how the title is currently implimented. You could just as easily say 'the whole point of MMOs is that you level forever and pay a fee every month for the privilage'. Just because things are a certain way, doesn't mean they should stay that way. What we're discussing here is an alternative that is fair to those who have gone before.
Also, makoto, could you elaborate and say why you think it's a bad idea?
And to those people who are saying 'the whole point of survivor is to start from level 1 bla bla bla', please remember that is just how the title is currently implimented. You could just as easily say 'the whole point of MMOs is that you level forever and pay a fee every month for the privilage'. Just because things are a certain way, doesn't mean they should stay that way. What we're discussing here is an alternative that is fair to those who have gone before.
anonymous
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What is 'QQing' anyway?
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John Panda
GW2 lets you transfer titles to another character i believe so go for LS on one character and transfer it to your main when you get GW2
AuraofMana
Okay some of you /unsigned people seem to be confused or just stupid:
Some characters were made BEFORE titles existed, thus, they had no way of knowing that in the future there would be a survivor title. If they knew, those who wants the title now but can't on these characters would have never died if given the choice.
For someone who wants to get LDS on a character, if they screw up and die, all they have to do is remake the character, which IS RESETTING ANYWAY. I don't see you people QQing about "OMG THAT IS SO CHEAP LOLOL". LDS was never that amazing anyway. All it takes is a lot of running around grabbing quests and standing back, which anyone with half a brain can do. The cost of gold is irrelevant, since it's around the cost of a 1.5k armor (which repays itself due to the massive amount of quest rewards). The OP has clearly stated on forcing your character to PAY gold to reset + reactivate the title.
And for those people who keep whining about "Well, now you have access to areas that have better XP and stuff like FFF". You know how long it takes to get LDS with FFF alone? You know I can just pay some guy to run me half way through the Factions campaign for crap amount of gold? Again, look at the OP's post. He/she has proposed that you must PAY GOLD to reset and reactivate the title.
Again: Read the OP's post before elaborating on why you don't think it is a good idea. If you don't have a good reason, don't bother posting.
BTW: /Signed.
Some characters were made BEFORE titles existed, thus, they had no way of knowing that in the future there would be a survivor title. If they knew, those who wants the title now but can't on these characters would have never died if given the choice.
For someone who wants to get LDS on a character, if they screw up and die, all they have to do is remake the character, which IS RESETTING ANYWAY. I don't see you people QQing about "OMG THAT IS SO CHEAP LOLOL". LDS was never that amazing anyway. All it takes is a lot of running around grabbing quests and standing back, which anyone with half a brain can do. The cost of gold is irrelevant, since it's around the cost of a 1.5k armor (which repays itself due to the massive amount of quest rewards). The OP has clearly stated on forcing your character to PAY gold to reset + reactivate the title.
And for those people who keep whining about "Well, now you have access to areas that have better XP and stuff like FFF". You know how long it takes to get LDS with FFF alone? You know I can just pay some guy to run me half way through the Factions campaign for crap amount of gold? Again, look at the OP's post. He/she has proposed that you must PAY GOLD to reset and reactivate the title.
Again: Read the OP's post before elaborating on why you don't think it is a good idea. If you don't have a good reason, don't bother posting.
BTW: /Signed.
Killy D
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Okay some of you /unsigned people seem to be confused or just stupid:
Some characters were made BEFORE titles existed, thus, they had no way of knowing that in the future there would be a survivor title. If they knew, those who wants the title now but can't on these characters would have never died if given the choice. For someone who wants to get LDS on a character, if they screw up and die, all they have to do is remake the character, which IS RESETTING ANYWAY. I don't see you people QQing about "OMG THAT IS SO CHEAP LOLOL". LDS was never that amazing anyway. All it takes is a lot of running around grabbing quests and standing back, which anyone with half a brain can do. The cost of gold is irrelevant, since it's around the cost of a 1.5k armor (which repays itself due to the massive amount of quest rewards). The OP has clearly stated on forcing your character to PAY gold to reset + reactivate the title. And for those people who keep whining about "Well, now you have access to areas that have better XP and stuff like FFF". You know how long it takes to get LDS with FFF alone? You know I can just pay some guy to run me half way through the Factions campaign for crap amount of gold? Again, look at the OP's post. He/she has proposed that you must PAY GOLD to reset and reactivate the title. Again: Read the OP's post before elaborating on why you don't think it is a good idea. If you don't have a good reason, don't bother posting. BTW: /Signed. |
StelardActek
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I can see where your coming from but at the end of the day...once your dead you've lost the title track, hence the term "Survivor"
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I think you're getting caught up on what the title means at present, not what it could mean. It doesn't HAVE to mean 'never died'. It DOES NOT mean 'never died', since once you have it you can die to your heart's content. So why not have it mean 'capable of surviving'? Why shouldn't it mean 'I got this much XP without dying while I was acquiring it'? That's still impressive, and would still make you a survivor in the minds of the layman, the non-GW player, the people who haven't heard of GW's dubiously named 'Survivor' title.
As an aside, your assertion that 'once died, never a survivor' is rather morally bankrupt if you applied it to real life. Sounds a lot like 'once a criminal, always a criminal' to me...
Killy D
And I think your getting caught up crying that you can't get Survivor on characters made before titles came in. The principle of the title is to get 1,337,500 xp from scratch without dieing once. Not, "I've died once lets get 1,337,500 xp again and lets call it survivor." 
But I can see what you mean, make some other title regardless of death, get 3,000,000 xp without dieing once etc. But The Survivor title atm is 1,337,500xp without a single death and theres not much either of us can do to change that. If you want it then just make a new character and max out titles on that one to get PKM FoW etc.
But I can see what you mean, make some other title regardless of death, get 3,000,000 xp without dieing once etc. But The Survivor title atm is 1,337,500xp without a single death and theres not much either of us can do to change that. If you want it then just make a new character and max out titles on that one to get PKM FoW etc.
Midgar
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And I think your getting caught up crying that you can't get Survivor on characters made before titles came in. The principle of the title is to get 1,337,500 xp from scratch without dieing once. Not, "I've died once lets get 1,337,500 xp again and lets call it survivor."
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But I can see what you mean, make some other title regardless of death, get 3,000,000 xp without dieing once etc. But The Survivor title atm is 1,337,500xp without a single death and theres not much either of us can do to change that.
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(...) then just make a new character (...)
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If this game is about having fun then I can't really see why it shouldn't be possible to get the title just because you died once. After all, it just encourage people who also want the cartographer title, to run around and avoid combat in the beginner arenas and thus ruining the fun for the other people. Or what about Vizunah Square where people quit if they see that the other team consists of a PUG?
Those who really wants the title and use the boring FFF or Marketplace/Jade Brotherhood methods already have it by now so there's is no way the title will get cheapened if it gets available to old characters if characters who simple died because of lag. Why should people who likes challenges not be given the chance to get the title in the real way(i.e. not using FFF or Marketplace/Jade Brotherhood) without sacrificing xxx hours?
And last but not least:
/signed
Matt_Night
/signed
I'm playing practically only 1 char which is ~30 mos old now and never got a chance to try becoming a survivor. I have 26 maxed titles on it atm and not gonna start a new 1 just to try getting this 1 title.
Being able to get survivor on "older" chars would be rly nice imo.
I'm playing practically only 1 char which is ~30 mos old now and never got a chance to try becoming a survivor. I have 26 maxed titles on it atm and not gonna start a new 1 just to try getting this 1 title.
Being able to get survivor on "older" chars would be rly nice imo.
Electric
I agree with the author odf the post and with Matt above.
My character is about two years old and is my main. This is the character i do all my titles on. I have 27 titles on this character and in no way am I willing to delete this character and start over.
I don't see this idea being any type of shortcut or downgrading people that "got it the hard way". Even at level 20 with max everything, I don't know anyone that doesnt die multiple times a day.
If u wanna get technical about downgrading titles and unfairness to people that earned titles "the hard way" before certain skills and things were out ... just take a look at the Ursan elite. Almost any title post GW:EN can be done with total ease using Ursan Blessing...examples:
Vanquishing any area
Guardian/Protector Missions
Skill Capping
All these titles are easily twice as easy if not more now by only using Ursan Blessing.
I don't see why Survivor should be any different, I think everyone should get there shot at it, the hard way or his way.
/signed
My character is about two years old and is my main. This is the character i do all my titles on. I have 27 titles on this character and in no way am I willing to delete this character and start over.
I don't see this idea being any type of shortcut or downgrading people that "got it the hard way". Even at level 20 with max everything, I don't know anyone that doesnt die multiple times a day.
If u wanna get technical about downgrading titles and unfairness to people that earned titles "the hard way" before certain skills and things were out ... just take a look at the Ursan elite. Almost any title post GW:EN can be done with total ease using Ursan Blessing...examples:
Vanquishing any area
Guardian/Protector Missions
Skill Capping
All these titles are easily twice as easy if not more now by only using Ursan Blessing.
I don't see why Survivor should be any different, I think everyone should get there shot at it, the hard way or his way.
/signed
Loviatar
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it means you got the title without dying period.
it means you created a character and *NEVER DIED* while getting the title so ...smirk..*live with it*
after the title is gotten you still have the title
nominated for most assinine idea so far this month *rather morally bankrupt*
dead is dead a criminal is alive to change.
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it means you created a character and *NEVER DIED* while getting the title so ...smirk..*live with it*
after the title is gotten you still have the title
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dead is dead a criminal is alive to change.
Elentari
/signed.
i'm prolly repeating what's been said, but i just want to emphasize that i made my main char before titles came out, and thus can currently never get legendary survivor on her. And there's no way I'd remake her just because of the sheer amount of effort put into her already (titles, customized equips, etc u know the deal). So it would be very nice to be able to get LS.
i'm prolly repeating what's been said, but i just want to emphasize that i made my main char before titles came out, and thus can currently never get legendary survivor on her. And there's no way I'd remake her just because of the sheer amount of effort put into her already (titles, customized equips, etc u know the deal). So it would be very nice to be able to get LS.
makoto
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Okay some of you /unsigned people seem to be confused or just stupid
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StelardActek
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it means you created a character and *NEVER DIED* while getting the title ...
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dead is dead
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Oh, and people really shouldn't bandy about the 'live with it' and 'if you don't like it, tough' lines so much. After all, what if ArenaNet decided to impliment this idea and you didn't like it? Would you appreciate being told 'tough, live with it' by those who like the idea? Just because we're on the internet doesn't mean we shouldn't be understanding and empathic.
Exterminate all
/signed
I REALLY like this idea, one of the best ones come up on Sarladec in a long time. It's not a bad idea, unlike others.
This is awesome, hope this gets implemented into the game via next update :P
Yes, this is great, many people will benefit from this, if you die then start over or if you want another kind of a big deal title or w/e then you will be able to get one via survivor.
Ownage :P
/signed
I REALLY like this idea, one of the best ones come up on Sarladec in a long time. It's not a bad idea, unlike others.
This is awesome, hope this gets implemented into the game via next update :P
Yes, this is great, many people will benefit from this, if you die then start over or if you want another kind of a big deal title or w/e then you will be able to get one via survivor.
Ownage :P
/signed
AuraofMana
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Plus, Anet repairing a title that would force other people to remake character and thus spending more time (AKA holding them out longer until GW2)? Fat chance.
mrmango
I love this theological debate. Both sides have great ideas. I personally don't care.
StelardActek
I honestly can't see them changing it either, but it's fun to argue. < ^.^ >
LuckyStripe
I say /singed.
Me n the other people who had bought FoW armor but died allready really missed out.
Is remaking a character that has FoW for the survivor title really worth it to the average player?
Me n the other people who had bought FoW armor but died allready really missed out.
Is remaking a character that has FoW for the survivor title really worth it to the average player?
wetsparks
average players have fow armor?
Nornagest
/signed
I really like the idea of getting LS for my ranger.
I really like the idea of getting LS for my ranger.
MithranArkanere
Everything has been already said.
The way this title work do not fit GW style, so it should be repaired, like they changed the attribute system to be able to change them anytime, instead of having to earn points, this title should be changed to be tried anytime, by resetting to 0 if you fail to achieve it.
The way this title work do not fit GW style, so it should be repaired, like they changed the attribute system to be able to change them anytime, instead of having to earn points, this title should be changed to be tried anytime, by resetting to 0 if you fail to achieve it.
wetsparks
id like a virtual reset, i am kind of proud on all the deaths my warrior has accumulated.
Seraphic Divinity
No, make it 1 billion XP, all your skills are reset, all your attribute points lost, all your armor forsaken and I may reconsider my first word.
AuraofMana
Fine, you give me 10 mil GW gold and I'll consider switching my opinions too.
Massive stacks of Ectos worth 10 mil gold works fine too.
Massive stacks of Ectos worth 10 mil gold works fine too.
MithranArkanere
In Europe 1 billion is 1.000.000.000.000.
In USA it is 1.000.000.000
I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone having any of those amounts.
- The 'Skills' thing is removed by tomes. You can make a Survivor character just with the precise skills you need thanks to them, regardless o trainers available, including elites. That makes around 17gold... no, much less, thanks to lesser prices of newly adquired skills (that you will have if they are already unlocked). So let's say 13k.
- Attribute points? They are cheap to regain, and they are dependable on leveling and quests. You can't make those quests repeatable, and recovering the rest is just easy. Let's say you get those 30 extra again automatically after hitting level 20.
- Armor? How much is that? 25k including all runes, even a +50HP rune?
So... it's all summed up in starting from Level 1 and and losing the 30 extra points until level 20, and paying around 40k?
Let's make it 50k.
Ok, that condition is fair.
What is not fair is making impossible a title just after its addition, when it is not account-wide.
In USA it is 1.000.000.000
I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone having any of those amounts.
- The 'Skills' thing is removed by tomes. You can make a Survivor character just with the precise skills you need thanks to them, regardless o trainers available, including elites. That makes around 17gold... no, much less, thanks to lesser prices of newly adquired skills (that you will have if they are already unlocked). So let's say 13k.
- Attribute points? They are cheap to regain, and they are dependable on leveling and quests. You can't make those quests repeatable, and recovering the rest is just easy. Let's say you get those 30 extra again automatically after hitting level 20.
- Armor? How much is that? 25k including all runes, even a +50HP rune?
So... it's all summed up in starting from Level 1 and and losing the 30 extra points until level 20, and paying around 40k?
Let's make it 50k.
Ok, that condition is fair.
What is not fair is making impossible a title just after its addition, when it is not account-wide.
StelardActek
I must say I'm tempted to try and contact ArenaNet somehow, point them at this thread and ask 'Is it possible you'll ever do this or, failing that, some theoretical other idea with the same eventual outcome?' If we got a definitive answer, something along the lines of 'yes', 'no', or 'if a good enough idea is suggested'. Obviously one of the first two would be best because then we could stop arguing about it and wait.
Also, MithranArkanere, I agree that 50p sounds a reasonable amount to charge for whatever kind of reset. In case anyone's forgotten, I'm in favour of just resetting the count of XP towards the title and keeping the death count. :P
Also, MithranArkanere, I agree that 50p sounds a reasonable amount to charge for whatever kind of reset. In case anyone's forgotten, I'm in favour of just resetting the count of XP towards the title and keeping the death count. :P
d0m3l
/singed
would love a possibility of earning LS
would love a possibility of earning LS
Riplox
I think this is a great idea, and others who said it goes against the rest of GW is right. There needs to be an option for preexisting characters to attain this title. And such, the suggestion of the progress reset is a totally viable option. How I see this working is as follows:
If at any time before you reach LS, the survivor title counter resets to 0 and you lose whatever survivor title you had. The rest of the title details remain the same (xp required, what type of deaths count, which do not, etc.).
If at any time before you reach LS, the survivor title counter resets to 0 and you lose whatever survivor title you had. The rest of the title details remain the same (xp required, what type of deaths count, which do not, etc.).
StelardActek
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If at any time before you reach LS, the survivor title counter resets to 0 and you lose whatever survivor title you had. The rest of the title details remain the same (xp required, what type of deaths count, which do not, etc.).
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Secondly, this negates the gold cost incurred by rolling a new character under the current system. Not sure if that's a huge issue in itself, but it seems to be a point of contention with the 'you should start from level 1' crowd. That's why I think talking to an NPC and paying 50p or so sounds fair.
That said, I like your idea. It could work.
You can't see me
This would mean that they would have to give people another chance at LDoA. I don't want to remake my only prophecies character just because I didn't know enough back then.
Same with Survivor.
/Not Signed.
Same with Survivor.
/Not Signed.
MithranArkanere
No. That would mean that people tha leave preSearing would lose LDoA. But that's for another thread.
StelardActek
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No. That would mean that people tha leave preSearing would lose LDoA. But that's for another thread.
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Ascalon Runner
Giving characters that died another shot at the Survivor title would be a slap in the face to each and every player who skinned their knuckles earning the title.Having the Survivor title shows to the world that you have a reliable Internet connection and are unlikely to lag out on your party members during a critical mission (such as a GvG match).If you're so eager to earn a maxed out title, do yourself a favor and purchase Prophecies so that you can earn the Legendary Defender of Ascalon title instead. You'll have a maxed out title that can be applied towards the Kind Of A Big Deal title track and much less anxiety (until you get your electric bill).Prophecies is the cheapest of the PvE campaigns plus you get a few maxed out weapons by typing "/bonus".I have quiet a few characters on my main account that were created before titles were added to Guild Wars myself.I'm willing to accept that I can't get every title in the game and so should you.
MithranArkanere
We have already discarded the 'Survivor is hard'.
It's even easier with a Mesmer/Dervish with Illusion of Weakness and that other enchantment that heals when HP is low. Then go to Cantha and... well, it's all in the thread.
It's even easier with a Mesmer/Dervish with Illusion of Weakness and that other enchantment that heals when HP is low. Then go to Cantha and... well, it's all in the thread.