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smilingscar

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03 Dec 2007 at 03:51 - 121

For those against it, what if it also cost skill points to reset? As I see it, skill points are the currency of xp. What if in order to reset you had to pay skill points equal to 1,337,500 xp, and then you had start the title from there? Yes you're still paying to reset a title, but I don't think it's as easy for the average player gather as gold or gems. According to my math, that would work out to 99.79 skill points (that's factoring in the low xp req for lower lvls). Perfect, round it up to 100 and it's a nice even number.

I vote for yes, with the cost of __k+100 skill points and you have to start earning the xp again. I think that's a big investment to call cheap, especially when all it takes is one lag death to make all that investment worthless (maybe make that count for the unlucky title

).

/signed

StelardActek

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03 Dec 2007 at 04:58 - 122

Heh, funny you should mention the unlucky title. When I was getting my survivor, a friend of mine was going for it too, but got unlucky and lagdied. I said at the time and have thought since that you should get 'unlucky' points for dying once the survivor title appears, with the amount of unlucky points rising as you get closer to LS. But I'm not actually suggesting that, so don't argue about it in this thread please. Just thought it'd be amusing to relate to you guys.

Lady Raenef

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03 Dec 2007 at 05:08 - 123

Hmm, I think more thought process needs to be put into this, as well as more research put into things. For example...

I can farm about 12,000 experience around 8-10 minutes without having anywhere near the chance of death. A title easily earned.

I won't sign or unsign, but that's just a thought to put in there.

StelardActek

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04 Dec 2007 at 07:24 - 124

Well, I think everyone's offered their opinions now, but we have no way of knowing if ArenaNet even saw this thread. What to do...

AuraofMana

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04 Dec 2007 at 08:18 - 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ascalon Runner

Giving characters that died another shot at the Survivor title would be a slap in the face to each and every player who skinned their knuckles earning the title.Having the Survivor title shows to the world that you have a reliable Internet connection and are unlikely to lag out on your party members during a critical mission (such as a GvG match).If you're so eager to earn a maxed out title, do yourself a favor and purchase Prophecies so that you can earn the Legendary Defender of Ascalon title instead. You'll have a maxed out title that can be applied towards the Kind Of A Big Deal title track and much less anxiety (until you get your electric bill).Prophecies is the cheapest of the PvE campaigns plus you get a few maxed out weapons by typing "/bonus".I have quiet a few characters on my main account that were created before titles were added to Guild Wars myself.I'm willing to accept that I can't get every title in the game and so should you.

Because some of us don't want to remake our character that existed before the title was made. Maybe you have the time to do it, but most people don't play GW that much.
And learn to space between your sentences.

Spam until page 3 million, crash the GWG server, and that should get enough attention.
Actually even then it might not :/

StelardActek

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04 Dec 2007 at 23:05 - 126

I should probably mention to AscalonRunner that having LS so you can show the world you have a reliable internet connection is pretty weak. But even if that's your reason, you still need a reliable connection to get it even if old characters are given the chance to get the title. Or did you forget you still need to get 1,337,500XP without dying?

As to the idea of getting 'Prophecies so that you can earn the Legendary Defender of Ascalon title instead', well... were you even thinking when you typed this? The people who want this changed already HAVE Prophacies. I suspect most of us already HAVE LS, just not on our favourite characters; I certainly do. Getting LDoA on a brand new character isn't going to help us with that.

FoxS

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LUXN

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04 Dec 2007 at 23:14 - 127

I don't really care about the survivor title. There weren't titles for it when I started playing, even though I was probably pretty close to getting them. There are a lot of methods currently to obtain the survivor title, which kind of takes away from the prestige of it. Why not start a new character if you want to get it, or try going for some other difficult to obtain title to compensate for not being able to obtain the survivor title on that character?

StelardActek

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05 Dec 2007 at 03:43 - 128

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxS

I don't really care about the survivor title. There weren't titles for it when I started playing, even though I was probably pretty close to getting them. There are a lot of methods currently to obtain the survivor title, which kind of takes away from the prestige of it. Why not start a new character if you want to get it, or try going for some other difficult to obtain title to compensate for not being able to obtain the survivor title on that character?

Well, I can only speak for me, but I want LS on my main because I got it on another character which I'm not interested in playing, so noone will ever know, unless I somehow do it again on my main.

WhiteWasabi

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05 Dec 2007 at 04:00 - 129

/SIGNED!!!!

I would love to get Legendary survivor on my main character. I am at 29 max titles and 21 MILLION experience on my main toon. I don't want to restart obviously. Please make it available for older characters.

Or.....Just make ALL titles Account based. It is the same person playing the account. All titles should be account based imo.

Here is a pic of my UBER toon's stats.

StelardActek

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05 Dec 2007 at 04:22 - 130

Wow, that's a LOT of XP! Dunno how much I have, but I don't think it's 5 million yet. Or 4, even.

Anyway, while I would love for every title to be account based, I can at least see one reason for character based titles. Obviously, if Survivor was account based, everyone would make a dervish and use the mystic regen method of getting the title. But in the end, who cares? :P

Please, make your own thread suggesting this. I'll sign on it.

pumpkin pie

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05 Dec 2007 at 06:13 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWasabi

/SIGNED!!!!

I would love to get Legendary survivor on my main character. I am at 29 max titles and 21 MILLION experience on my main toon. I don't want to restart obviously. Please make it available for older characters.

Or.....Just make ALL titles Account based. It is the same person playing the account. All titles should be account based imo.

Here is a pic of my UBER toon's stats.

you could get rich by selling skill points.... rofl

well done!

MithranArkanere

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05 Dec 2007 at 11:58 - 132

I used all my skill points to buy skills... soon I'll have all 1319... and then I'll conquer the world!! Mwa-ha-ha!

Well, back on topic, remember that and old character may be already in level 20, but he will NEVER be able to make again all those quests and get all those mission rewards, so it will always take more time, even with the more rewarding, but 'safe' repeatable quests.

milan

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05 Dec 2007 at 14:06 - 133

No it won't take more time at all, that's absolute rubbish.

You can dive straight into safe, simple xp farming as an established level 20 with skills, runes, weapons and max armour.

AuraofMana

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05 Dec 2007 at 20:58 - 134

Because you totally cannot if you start a new char with elite and non-elite tomes, ferrying in Kamadan, and general experience playing GW.
Oh yeah, it's HORRIBLE that this repeatable safe thing here. I mean come on, those other ppl who started a new character can just remake if they mess up so it's not fair.
Oh wait.

MithranArkanere

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05 Dec 2007 at 22:13 - 135

300 quests of 3000XP are more than 300 runs of a quests that gives 2000 or 2500.

Canthan survivor is less prestigeos than Tyrian, but it seem they all share the same Survivor title... so it is still unfair, even between those who got survivor.

Ascalon Runner

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06 Dec 2007 at 05:10 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Because some of us don't want to remake our character that existed before the title was made. Maybe you have the time to do it, but most people don't play GW that much.
And learn to space between your sentences.

Spam until page 3 million, crash the GWG server, and that should get enough attention.
Actually even then it might not :/

I don't have Survivor on any of my characters and have no plans to work on obtaining it for any of my future characters. It's just too difficult for me because I get excessive lag too often.

Vinraith

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06 Dec 2007 at 06:15 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

You can dive straight into safe, simple xp farming as an established level 20 with skills, runes, weapons and max armour.

That's fundamentally the problem with any kind of survivor restart scheme, the act of getting that much experience with an established character simply isn't equivalent to doing the same with a newly minted one. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get survivor on my main if there was a fair way to do it, but short of making her level one and stripping her of all PvE skills/titles, elite skills, max items, and map travel options I don't see how one could do it.

Laughing Bat

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06 Dec 2007 at 11:18 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by StelardActek

While you said 'not signed', this sounds more like support of the general principle we're going for here.

The reason I said not signed is because I don't like the idea of letting people earn the title on old characters. But if someone earns the title on a new character I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to show it on other characters, they would of still done all of the same work to get the title. The only major change I can see it making to the title is witch professions people earn it on.

杀TanK杀

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06 Dec 2007 at 11:48 - 139

If you could achieve the title on old characters.. then pretty much everyone would be getting the title, and very easily at that.

So giving this ability is pretty much just a +1 koabd track point...

AuraofMana

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06 Dec 2007 at 20:39 - 140

Oh okay let's just not make it fair for people who didn't have a chance and be like "LOLOL MY CHAR GOT THIS I DONT WANT YOU TO HAVE IT CUZ I GRINDED FOR X HOURS AND LIKEZ I AM TOTOALLY LEET DUE TO IT!!111"

Ixl Krosstika Ixl

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06 Dec 2007 at 21:50 - 141

/signed
Great idea, second chances are awesome.

StelardActek

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06 Dec 2007 at 23:06 - 142

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I still think that if you spend enough money on it buying tomes and getting run places (Consulate Docks, for example), then getting Survivor on a new character wouldn't be any harder than getting it on an old one.
As for PvE skills, feh, I don't even use them. None seem particularly useful to me.

Ascalon Runner

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:26 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWasabi

/SIGNED!!!!

I would love to get Legendary survivor on my main character. I am at 29 max titles and 21 MILLION experience on my main toon. I don't want to restart obviously. Please make it available for older characters.

Or.....Just make ALL titles Account based. It is the same person playing the account. All titles should be account based imo.

Here is a pic of my UBER toon's stats.

I propose that aNet adds an account based title track that is based on the number of times a player creates a character with Legendary Survivor and that players get to keep the points towards this new title even if they delete the character. This way a player who wants to brag about their ability to avoid death can do so even when playing on an older character. If a player chooses not to delete their Legendary Survivor character then they can make that mahogany odor permeating their guild hall all the stronger.

Snow Bunny

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07 Dec 2007 at 15:15 - 144

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graphik Desine

......

i believe the point of /sign and /notsign----is elaborating your thoughts past "yes" or "no" "maybe" or "qq."

cmon...elaborate. if you don't have an opinion to voice, don't type those kind of things at all

My main was decked in FoW, and I remade her completely to get R3 Survivor.

This is a thread dedicated to the collective laziness of GW players who will WHINE TILL THE NTH DEGREE, THEN WHINE SOME MORE WHEN STUFF ISNT VALUABLE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY WHINED SO DAMN HARD ABOUT IT.

/endvisceraloutburst

MithranArkanere

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08 Dec 2007 at 00:54 - 145

If my father died in a war, would be fair to have your killed too?
No.

So you starting again for survivor is not an excuse. But being the title added in a certain moment.

It's not "I'm lazy". It's "This is my first character and I'm not going to delete it. Never" + "All characters should the same rights to get titles".

Marty Silverblade

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08 Dec 2007 at 01:07 - 146

I've always thought it was fair to have the XP amount required for R3 increased by X00 amount for every death you have, resetting the survivor title each time you die, obviously.

cellardweller

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08 Dec 2007 at 01:15 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

I've always thought it was fair to have the XP amount required for R3 increased by X00 amount for every death you have, resetting the survivor title each time you die, obviously.

Tell that to my poor warrior that had over 3000 deaths from pvp before factions came out =)

The Meth

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08 Dec 2007 at 01:16 - 148

Thread #147234 on this subject the first 147233 failed, so will this.

StelardActek

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08 Dec 2007 at 04:39 - 149

If enough people want it and we have a reasoned idea that would work, then it might happen.

Solus Spartan

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08 Dec 2007 at 07:33 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by StelardActek

Firstly, having done it with one character, I have to say that starting from level 1 and getting 1,337,500 XP without dying is a truely impressive feat

No... it's not. Elite tomes, access to eotn from lvl 10, using kilroys punch-out dungeon quest, it's extremely EASY now.

StelardActek

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08 Dec 2007 at 14:50 - 151

I have to agree that with being able to get to Gunnar's Hold at level 10, ArenaNet have just made this title easier again.

MithranArkanere

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08 Dec 2007 at 15:27 - 152

See? More and more reasons to let people try it again.
It was really hard when there was only Prophecies, becasme quite easier with Factions, and now it's just a time-consuming (and gold consuming if you use tomes) title.

Letting people wast... ahem, use their time with this is fair.

TaCktiX

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12 Dec 2007 at 23:52 - 153

/Signed

My main character has 14 maxed titles, 3 elite sets of armor (and a non-elite max I'm quite attached to), and over 1,200 hours played in 18 months. I'm sorry if you're such a dedicated sod that you're willing to remake your character, I'm not. I have so many fond memories of times I repeatedly died doing things the hard way (remember the second 15AP quest in Tyria? Yeah, I left from Ice Caves through Icedome, ignoring the part about leaving from Iron Mines...with henchies), and deleting my main character would be nerf all of those. I have Legendary Skill Hunter and Legendary Guardian, so all those "ez xp" options are no longer open to me. Legendary Survivor will be HARDER to get for me than Joe NewChar.

And to make it clear, I have a Ritualist who has Survivor. She was working toward R2, but I believe in going for the title by playing through the story. Jade Brotherhood mobbed her dead in Xaquang. I have an Elementalist who's at Level 11 in Prophecies. She'll likely get Survivor and keep on going, but the crap thing is how much Survivor characters are barred from until they get the rank they want. I can't take on Bonfazz Burntfur in Diessa Lowlands, because my henchie party drops dead too easily, and asking all my guildies with tons of Level 20 characters is rather circumventing the system. If I could wipe and run at the significantly weakened mob again, he'd have been killed ages ago. Bummer...I'm going for Survivor, I can't.

Shayne Hawke

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13 Dec 2007 at 00:47 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by smilingscar

For those against it, what if it also cost skill points to reset? As I see it, skill points are the currency of xp. What if in order to reset you had to pay skill points equal to 1,337,500 xp, and then you had start the title from there? Yes you're still paying to reset a title, but I don't think it's as easy for the average player gather as gold or gems. According to my math, that would work out to 99.79 skill points (that's factoring in the low xp req for lower lvls). Perfect, round it up to 100 and it's a nice even number.

I vote for yes, with the cost of __k+100 skill points and you have to start earning the xp again. I think that's a big investment to call cheap, especially when all it takes is one lag death to make all that investment worthless (maybe make that count for the unlucky title

).

/signed

I didn't actually think about how rough it might still be to get the title, even with a death reset, for any character. I guess one lag death can put it all into perspective.

I like your idea of spending skill points. I don't have much else to do with them now that I'm finished with my Skill Hunter titles.

pumpkin pie

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13 Dec 2007 at 02:44 - 155

Shayne Hawke you can buy that skill transfer thingy from the Ausrian and probably transfer it to your survivor character and let them buy cap sig

Day Trooper

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13 Dec 2007 at 03:10 - 156

Without question - with all the additional perks given to new players - old characters need to have a crack at Legendary Survivor!

No? Let me explain...

(1). With the advent of tomes, at a very low level you can have all the skills unlocked that 'back in the day' would have taken quite a long time to attain.

(2). Consumables, consumables, consumables.

(3). And the latest - an insane buff given to level 10 characters which enter EotN.

(4). EDIT: How could I forget this one? "On noess!! - I aggro'd everything and am about to die!!" {F12}{ENTER} /safe

For the longest time - those who asked for a chance to get LS with old characters were berated with 'on nooess the hard part about LS is getting to level 20! So it's not fair to those who started at level 1!'

However, fast-forward to now, and just take a look-see at the monster thread regarding 'thoughts on level 10 characters getting access to EotN with the permanent buff to health and attributes.' This thread is completely filled with peeps saying 'it's no big deal! I got to level 20 in 3-4 hours! So who cares!'

Three to four hours to get to level 20? Sounds like any arguments about 'level 1 to 20 being the hard part to getting LS' are now out the window.

Further, the sad thing is - I bet that some of these people who are so against giving older chars at chance at LS - ar the same ones who don't have any problem whatsoever with level 10s getting the super-buff in EotN (which of course gives you an added edge to getting LS!).

ANet - I've been playing your awesome game here for well over 2 years now. Please give us older chars (the ones who got your game off the ground, no less!) a chance to get Legendary Survivor!

Shayne Hawke

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13 Dec 2007 at 03:23 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Shayne Hawke you can buy that skill transfer thingy from the Ausrian and probably transfer it to your survivor character and let them buy cap sig

Understandable and obvious, yes, but that's not what we're arguing here.

Of course I could spend skill points from my main character to power a new person through to get LS.

But then what would I be doing in this thread? I want there to be a way to get LS on my main character, not some new toon that I probably won't play much afterwards.

Quote:

Without question - with all the additional perks given to new players - old characters need to have a crack at Legendary Survivor!

No? Let me explain...

(1). With the advent of tomes, at a very low level you can have all the skills unlocked that 'back in the day' would have taken quite a long time to attain.

(2). Consumables, consumables, consumables.

(3). And the latest - an insane buff given to level 10 characters which enter EotN.

For the longest time - those who asked for a chance to get LS with old characters were berated with 'on nooess the hard part about LS is getting to level 20! So it's not fair to those who started at level 1!'

However, fast-forward to now, and just take a look-see at the monster thread regarding 'thoughts on level 10 characters getting access to EotN with the permanent buff to health and attributes.' This thread is completely filled with peeps saying 'it's no big deal! I got to level 20 in 3-4 hours! So who cares!'

Three to four hours to get to level 20? Sounds like any arguments about 'level 1 to 20 being the hard part to getting LS' are now out the window.

Solid argument. LS was added a long time ago when tomes and consumables didn't play so much a major part of the process. Now it's just been easier and easier.

It really kills the argument of people being too lazy to go back, because there's so many easy ways now of getting this title. For any new LS, getting from 1 to 20 is probably the only rough thing about it. At 20, just about everything is open for you to do.

Therefore, no real reason why starting at 20 should be that much significantly easier.

MithranArkanere

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13 Dec 2007 at 15:14 - 158

A new character can make Augury Rock again and get those 50.000Xp, an old one would have to find a way to get more XP.

Even if you go make Fronis dungeons again and again, you may get 45.000 per run with scrolls, but a lag hit will always kill you, since there won't be allies to help.

Vann Borakul

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13 Dec 2007 at 19:07 - 159

/signed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamfast

Not a bad idea. I also understand wanting to try for the Only characters OLDER than the Survivor Title Track introduction date are eligible. And if you die, you can NOT go back and reset to zero and try again.

This right here. This is perfect. I've always hated how I'm down a title because my character is old. Old characters shouldn't be penalized.

MithranArkanere

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13 Dec 2007 at 22:30 - 160

In that case, players should be warned about the title in the Tutorials and with Blue Tootips.

Something like, after the first XP earned, a message that says:
"If you earn expeiencie without dying, you will get the Survivor title".