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Aerian_Skybane

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12 Dec 2007 at 17:56 - 361

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Originally Posted by bigtime102

The problem is the economy, giving low levels access to high end loot will kill the economy and trade which is a big part of this game that keeps people playing. Why else farm for high end drops? to make gold, no ones going to be making any gold when eventually everyone has the best weapons and mods and allowing low levels access to this will just speed up the death of the economy. There will be nothing left for PVE other than playing through the content. The PVE endgame - looking the best and being the richest will die and there wont be anyone playing PVE. Infact without a viable economy that leads to competition in PVE theres no reason to have this game online except for a 3d chat room.

You are stupid and represent the farmers guild who abuse their jobless state to make fake money. This will have no effect on the economy because your caste will just find new ways to abuse a public video game system. Your people represent maybe a single percentage point of the total amount of players in the game. Can't prove it, but I am quite sure I am right.

Ninian_Grace

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12 Dec 2007 at 18:05 - 362

bah I don't see why they would let that happen. those lvl 10s will get ripped appart.

Go ahead Anet! let lvl 10s into GW:EN Vs. lvl 28 monsters

...

blood4blood

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Join Date: Oct 2005

12 Dec 2007 at 18:59 - 363

Question: How is #1 (taking my level 10 character to GWEN to level to 20 & get max armor quickly) significantly different than #2 (taking a level 10 to Kaineng center to level to 20 and get max armor quickly)?

Answer: I can only do it in GW:EN temporarily because of this promotion. Other than that time limit, it's just a change of scenery.

EDIT: (re: Mordakai's post below) - My mistake, you're right.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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12 Dec 2007 at 19:00 - 364

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Originally Posted by blood4blood

Question: How is #1 (taking my level 10 character to GWEN to level to 20 & get max armor quickly) significantly different than #2 (taking a level 10 to Kaineng center to level to 20 and get max armor quickly)?

Answer: I can only do it in GW:EN temporarily because of this promotion. Other than that time limit, it's just a change of scenery.

Slight correction, the Trial period is temporary, the Level 10 entry into GWEN is permanent. (after all, Anet wants to encourage more people to buy GWEN , not discourage).

False Healer

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12 Dec 2007 at 19:53 - 365

Wounder when the Droks runners are gonna start up a QQ thread about their loss of customers cause now GWEN offers easy to get max armor for tyrian toons...

Jongo River

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12 Dec 2007 at 20:02 - 366

A lot of people seem to be forgeting that max armours (and weapons) have been available by reaching Lion's Arch and switching campaigns, for quite some time.

This is not new - except for the buff, GW:EN has just been brought in line with Factions and Nightfall. Hell, if you have Factions, it's still better to go there first, because it's got more armour choices and a number of high XP, low-risk quests.

Mordakai

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12 Dec 2007 at 20:25 - 367

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Originally Posted by False Healer

Wounder when the Droks runners are gonna start up a QQ thread about their loss of customers cause now GWEN offers easy to get max armor for tyrian toons...

There are still Droks runners?

I expect LA runners to still be in demand. However, no need to be run to Armor Harbor of Nightfall anymore...

Factions players don't benefit from level 10 GWEN. You can't get to Keineng Center until you're close to level 20 anyway, and they offer max armor there as well. (but, since it's easiest to level in Factions, it's not that bad)

Martin Firestorm

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12 Dec 2007 at 20:32 - 368

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Originally Posted by bigtime102

The PVE endgame - looking the best and being the richest...

Hilarious comment--that's not the endgame, its the end of the game. Boredom will not sustain you long.

Tender Wolf

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12 Dec 2007 at 22:34 - 369

Hmm...I personally don't mind either way. I'm neutral in here. Granted all my chars are level 20 so I hardly noticed. And only one of my chars has beaten GWEN, the rest just went to put their armor in Hall of Monuments. I spend most of my time working on titles and armor and such. And now my contest.

So I didn't notice, but I do agree that if low-leveled people went into what's supposed to be a high-end area, they should suffer the consequences. I have died numerous times at level 5 or so in Kaineng City while diong the quests and it's not a high-end only area. So...yeah.

mafia cyborg

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12 Dec 2007 at 22:59 - 370

i think it makes prophecy+gwen the perfect game. (considerin anet is sellin them together).
it adds the hero component to the prophecy campaign.
with fewer ppl playin gw nowadays is useful to make the campaign "soloable" (with heros) .

Toriyaki

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12 Dec 2007 at 23:28 - 371

Eh, since it's there, might as well take advantage of it.
Easy Legendary Survivor <3

freekedoutfish

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13 Dec 2007 at 00:03 - 372

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Fish: Letting level 10 players into GW:EN is bad.
Everyone else: No, its not.
Fish: Well, it is because of x,y, and z.
Everyone else: X is wrong, y is a misunderstanding, and z is not important.
Fish: Ok, so letting level 10 players into GW:EN is not bad. BUT GIVING THEM A BUFF IS!!!!!!!
Everyone else: No, its not.

God forbid a person have his view swayed!

bhavv

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13 Dec 2007 at 00:23 - 373

You've had your view 'sywayed' enough times, we tell you level doesnt matter in this game, and your too ignorant to learn or accept that. Just stop posting now and let this thread die please, or better still request it to be locked. Im sick of it as im sure everyone else is. You've asked and had all of your questions answered and have been kicked back into noob island enough times.

Any one that posts another message here is a rotten egg.

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13 Dec 2007 at 01:11 - 374

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

God forbid a person have his view swayed!

That's not important.
Jk, but yeah, there's quite a bit of fallacy in this thread overall.

I don't have a problem with this change, though, because it got me to play on my lv15 Drunkard Warrior that's over a year old. He's lv18 now. I'd already played through all the campaigns a bit so I really didn't want to do them again, whereas I've only gone through GWEN with a Dervish. So it was a welcome change on my end.

ThisSuddenInjury

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13 Dec 2007 at 01:19 - 375

Why not?
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ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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13 Dec 2007 at 01:20 - 376

Level 10's in Gwen does not affect the economy.
You can get to level 20 in 2-4 hours.
If they are level 10 its 1-3 hours.
Giving them an extra 3 hours doesn't kill the blasted economy, because they still have to PROGRESS through GW:EN to get to your damn high end loot, in which case they will be level 20 by then ANYWAYS.

Thats like saying because I can get a ferry at level freaking 2 from Kamadan to Kaining Centre Im ruining the economy because I got there freaking 1 hour before a normal factions would of.
My level 2 still needs to progress through the game to farm anything truly.
In which case I will then be level 20 by the time I'm at the stage of High-end loot.

bhavv

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13 Dec 2007 at 02:00 - 377

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Master Sword Keeper

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13 Dec 2007 at 06:56 - 378

[QUOTE=Ninian_Grace]bah I don't see why they would let that happen. those lvl 10s will get ripped appart.

Go ahead Anet! let lvl 10s into GW:EN Vs. lvl 28 monsters

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Originally Posted by Bhavv

um not quite.

A lvl 10 can easily modify a 55 - 20hp farmin build and power lvl with ease.

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Originally Posted by Freekedoutfish:

God forbid a person have his view swayed!

Dont wry about it dude. Only the little ones who cant be stuffed learning the game will be tearing through the bs anyway. You're only option is just to sit back in an area where there's nothin but lvl 20s and go ahhh much better. =)

netniwk

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13 Dec 2007 at 07:04 - 379

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

Dont wry about it dude. Only the little ones who cant be stuffed learning the game will be tearing through the bs anyway. You're only option is just to sit back in an area where there's nothin but lvl 20s and go ahhh much better. =)

99% of the people H/h anyway,And so will the lvl 10's with easy available heroes.
So no need to get defensive against the lvl 10's who probably know more about the game than you.

freekedoutfish

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13 Dec 2007 at 13:20 - 380

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Originally Posted by bhavv

You've had your view 'sywayed' enough times, we tell you level doesnt matter in this game, and your too ignorant to learn or accept that. Just stop posting now and let this thread die please, or better still request it to be locked. Im sick of it as im sure everyone else is. You've asked and had all of your questions answered and have been kicked back into noob island enough times.

Any one that posts another message here is a rotten egg.

Unsubcribe from the thread and dont post replies or read it then. Im not closing the thread because "your" sick of it. If a mod chooses to do so, then fine.

I love how you have some all seeing and knowing eye that knows for a fact "everyone" is sick of this thread!

Zeek Aran

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13 Dec 2007 at 13:25 - 381

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I love how you have some all seeing and knowing eye that knows for a fact "everyone" is sick of this thread!

Funny, he flamed me for doing that before, now he's doing it. =O

If your questions are answered, why continue to stick around?

I see not how this could have any effect on the economy, and if you don't like grouping with people who aren't 20, just don't do it.

freekedoutfish

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13 Dec 2007 at 14:38 - 382

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Funny, he flamed me for doing that before, now he's doing it. =O

If your questions are answered, why continue to stick around?

I see not how this could have any effect on the economy, and if you don't like grouping with people who aren't 20, just don't do it.

Im a little confused if thats a reply to me, or the guy I replied to earlier? I didnt make any comments about it effecting the economy and I personally dont mind playing with anyone under lvl20 aslong as its not a high end area where max/skilld characters are prefered.

bhavv

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13 Dec 2007 at 15:08 - 383

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Originally Posted by OI-812

...in response to the topic, I'd say my view on it is "So f**king what?"

GW:EN was released as high-level content, yes, but if you're enjoying it with your high level characters, who gives a s**t if some level 10 is in GW:EN? Making something out of nothing, yeesh.

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Originally Posted by jezz

well i dont mind..i just took my level 10 ele from NF over and several hours later i have most of EoN primary done gained most heros and am now level 20 with a couple of elites under my belt..

This is why level 10+ are allowed in Gwen, so that they can play it early if they want to. Why should the way that others play their game have any impact on you? I'm sure the majority of them, wouldnt want to play with you anyway, they use their H/H teams.

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

If this was WoW, you'd have a point, but GW was advertised as grind-free..no level grind ftw eh? now they can start title grind

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

The point is: that isn't the point. In other words, Anet is letting everyone know that the level means nothing but a number.

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

Level 20 means nothing in this game. Almost everyone who plays has a level 20, and getting to this level is not "hard" in any sense of the word.

Anet realizes this, and is allowing people with level 10's to go into EoTN. Chances are that most of those people already have characters in EoTN that are level 20, and maybe have even beaten it. And if they haven't, why not give them a free trial and see how they like it, to make the player WANT to buy the expansion in his free trial time.

Its not like level 20 takes hours to do, its a very easy and simple task (in post searing) and you're acting like its a hard and well earned accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Wait... people who play this game don't have level 20 characters already? Huh.

Why should I care what people do with low-level characters? It's not like level matters in this game anyway.

Level doesnt matter in GW. How many people have to tell you this same thing over and over agin yet you continue to rant about level 10's in GWEN?

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Originally Posted by fenix

Seriously, if level 10's being allowed into EOTN is the biggest issue you have with the game, go find a new one. You are all being WAY too picky.

True. Go play WoW, you have lots of levels to grind there and can develop your character how you envision it, with lots of level ups, grind, grind, and even more grind.

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

How does this effect you? It doesn't. If you want to PUG, then PUG. If you don't want to PUG with people who aren't level 20, then don't. It isn't like they are entering HA at level 10, with buffs to make them as good as the people level 20. Its PvE, and it only impacts you if you want it to.

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Originally Posted by Etta

And heres a nice sum up of what this whole thread has been for all of its 20 pages:

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Fish: Letting level 10 players into GW:EN is bad.
Everyone else: No, its not.
Fish: Well, it is because of x,y, and z.
Everyone else: X is wrong, y is a misunderstanding, and z is not important.
Fish: Ok, so letting level 10 players into GW:EN is not bad. BUT GIVING THEM A BUFF IS!!!!!!!
Everyone else: No, its not.

Just end it please.

Mordakai

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13 Dec 2007 at 15:42 - 384

Well, before this is gets locked, I'm going to list other things that will piss off freekedoutfish:

Last night, while I was doing Sif's "kill the bosses" Quest, Koren's Hornbow dropped. So, now have a level 12 Ranger with a nice Green. woot!

Tonight I plan on doing Blood Washes Blood to cap Barrage... yep, this update sure sucks....

freekedoutfish

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13 Dec 2007 at 15:46 - 385

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Level doesnt matter in GW. How many people have to tell you this same thing over and over agin yet you continue to rant about level 10's in GWEN?

Try to understand this yourself, before you get all high and mighty! I amended my OP pages ago stating...

"EDIT

Ok so i've had a change of heart and I now dont mind the idea of people under lvl19 going into GWEN, because it is meant to be an open ended game."

..the entire arguement about level and skill and my view on that is not important anymore, because I said I dont mind the idea of lvl10s in GWEN.

Read that and take it in! EVERYONE! Whether I changed my mind is also not a reason to troll the thread, because believe it or not people are allowed to change their opinions. My issues is purely the buff you get, nothing more and nothing less!

There is NO reason for it. If a player is skilled (as you all keep saying the game is about skill) then they should be able to handle GWEN at lvl10 and NOT require the buff.

If they cant handle GWEN at lvl10 then they either go away and get more skill or keep playing GWEN until they can handle it at lower levels.

If this game is truly about skill and nothing else, then we should not be recieving a buff when entering GWEN under lvl20. Otherwise it removes the entire point of needing to be skilled to handle those areas at lower levels because your abilities are being enhanced (whether it be huge amounts or not).

Yet you all turn around and be hyerpcrits by saying....

"Yes the game is about skill, yet it makes it more fun to have the buff."

...so aslong as you get to have your fun and get to play GWEN easier at lower levels; skill goes out the window. It doesnt matter your abilities are being ehanced and the skill required reduced aslong as you get to play GWEN earlier and easier at lower levels.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Well, before this is gets locked, I'm going to list other things that will piss off freekedoutfish:

Last night, while I was doing Sif's "kill the bosses" Quest, Koren's Hornbow dropped. So, now have a level 12 Ranger with a nice Green. woot!

Tonight I plan on doing Blood Washes Blood to cap Barrage... yep, this update sure sucks....

For god sake! Get this into your head. I didnt say people were incapable of doing any content at lower levels. If your skilled enough to do it, then great for you. Read what I wrote above and get over yourselves. Plus owning a green weapon means nothing since you could buy that on the market at any level.

Mordakai

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13 Dec 2007 at 15:54 - 386

As I tried to explain earlier, the Buff is there so that the trial players can really enjoy the game.

It's permanent so there is a reason to buy it after the Trial is over.

There's really nothing left to say, but for some reason, I just can't stay away from this trainwreck of a thread.

And sure I could have bought a green and an Elite Tome, but my point is, I didn't have to. And I like the buff. I could hang back and let the level 20's do their work (which is all that would happen with your "solution"), but really, what's the point? Just to prove that a level 10 can do GWEN?

bhavv

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13 Dec 2007 at 16:14 - 387

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I amended my OP pages ago stating...

Yet two pages ago on page 18 your still complaining about lvl 10's in GWEN, and about them getting higher level loot and drops, and then you say 'I never complained about the economy'.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Why play pve if you dont want to develop a character through levels, buy skills, armor and earn stuff. You all speak like you instantly want them to be lvl20 and full access to everything upon creation?

Wait a minute... that sounds remarkably like pvp!

So you basically want a pvp creation system in pve, where you make your character and their instantly lvl20, have full access to all skills, armor and weapons?

You want all this so you can instantly have access to full level creatures and high end areas and kick some ass? Not to mention get better drops and more gold!

That was just two pages ago. Since then you havnt mentioned anywhere that you changed your mind so... ermmmm... WTF? You changed your view pages ago and dont have a problem with lvl 10's in GWEN since when? Page 20 of 20? O.o

Your OP still reads:

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"Characters can now enter Eye of the North as early as level 10 by accepting the quest "What Lies Beneath" from Len Caldoron in Lion's Arch, "I Feel the Earth Move Under Cantha's Feet" from Minister of Maintenance Raiugyon in Kaineng Center, or "Hole of Istan" from Bendah in Kamadan. "

I personally feel this is a complete and utter crock. Now we will have lvl10s running around GWEN (high end areas) locations asking to be run from location to location and to do quest and dungeons.

So whatever.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

before you get all high and mighty!

'OMG lvl 10's shouldnt be allowed to play the same game as me because they are all noobs that ask for runs and steal my high end drops etc etc...'

Which isnt High and Mighty? O.o

Saraphim

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13 Dec 2007 at 17:05 - 388

Meh I jumped off the train, it's going in circles.

My last two cents though

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Now we will have lvl10s running around GWEN (high end areas) locations asking to be run from location to location and to do quest and dungeons.

Funnily enough I haven't seen anyone asking for runs. Seen a fair few lower levels with an 8 over their heads, but that's all.

Aerian_Skybane

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13 Dec 2007 at 17:40 - 389

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13 Dec 2007 at 17:49 - 390

[QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Try to understand this yourself, before you get all high and mighty! I amended my OP pages ago stating...

"EDIT

Ok so i've had a change of heart and I now dont mind the idea of people under lvl19 going into GWEN, because it is meant to be an open ended game."

..the entire arguement about level and skill and my view on that is not important anymore, because I said I dont mind the idea of lvl10s in GWEN.

i like these quotes still up best

best example of greed and elitism so far keep it coming

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

In all honesty, I can stomach the sight of a lvl10 in GWEN, I can understand the idea that you should be able go anywhere you want ingame, for the full openness thing.

...has it occured to them that lvl10s will enter GWEN, get the boost and farm high end creatures!

Basically I personally just hate the idea, because it kills the idea of GWEN being high end content and having a sort of reasurance that most players there have experience. Also how does a lvl10 deserve to run around in high end armor or to own a destroyer weapon or prestige armor?

So they have also killed the entire idea of leveling up!

I'm not suggesting a players level is important

GWEN was meant to be a reward for max players, and now its just.... open to everyone!

Bryant Again

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13 Dec 2007 at 18:33 - 391

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

There's really nothing left to say, but for some reason, I just can't stay away from this trainwreck of a thread.

You like to fight. It's in yo blood!

bhavv

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13 Dec 2007 at 20:26 - 392

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So this Morlock can now come out of the sewers and live in the city with.... People??? Leet Hax!

You can't see me

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13 Dec 2007 at 20:28 - 393

Where's that beating a dead horse picture?

That's all this is. Beating a dead horse about level 10's getting into a GWEN and getting to level 20 ten minutes faster then they would if in factions.

And when it comes to original intent of content, since when has this been an issue to Arenanet? It all comes down to catering to all forms of play, whether it's good for the game, or for the other players or not.

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13 Dec 2007 at 21:51 - 394

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Where's that beating a dead horse picture?

That's all this is. Beating a dead horse about level 10's getting into a GWEN and getting to level 20 ten minutes faster then they would if in factions.

And when it comes to original intent of content, since when has this been an issue to Arenanet? It all comes down to catering to all forms of play, whether it's good for the game, or for the other players or not.

Here it is

This will just attract players to buy GWEN which I find a good idea. Also it encourages new characters to go through it without having to lvl up to 20. No complaints at all here

- Ganni

freekedoutfish

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13 Dec 2007 at 22:17 - 395

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

As I tried to explain earlier, the Buff is there so that the trial players can really enjoy the game.

It's permanent so there is a reason to buy it after the Trial is over.

There's really nothing left to say, but for some reason, I just can't stay away from this trainwreck of a thread.

And sure I could have bought a green and an Elite Tome, but my point is, I didn't have to. And I like the buff. I could hang back and let the level 20's do their work (which is all that would happen with your "solution"), but really, what's the point? Just to prove that a level 10 can do GWEN?

Well yeah!

You all talk about how GWs is purely about skill, and yet when I talk about making people use those skills at lower levels in GWEN to achieve something without the aid of buffs....I get trolled?

Which way do you want it; to force people to use their skill ingame or to make everything easier and require less kill aslong as its more fun?

bhavv

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14 Dec 2007 at 01:10 - 396

Using a level 10 with the buff is still weaker then a lvl 20 because your primary attribute is capped at 12. So you are still using more skill playing gwen at lvl 10-19 then at level 20 all runed. Also, you have less HP and are more squishy, so surviving in gwen at lvl 10-19 is still harder then surviving at lvl 20. Just simple logic, really really simple.

Skill in GW is still irrelavent to level, so just quit the level = skill crap.

O.o I forgot the blessing increases your HP, I need sleep.

freekedoutfish

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14 Dec 2007 at 12:21 - 397

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Using a level 10 with the buff is still weaker then a lvl 20 because your primary attribute is capped at 12. So you are still using more skill playing gwen at lvl 10-19 then at level 20 all runed. Also, you have less HP and are more squishy, so surviving in gwen at lvl 10-19 is still harder then surviving at lvl 20. Just simple logic, really really simple.

Skill in GW is still irrelavent to level, so just quit the level = skill crap.

O.o I forgot the blessing increases your HP, I need sleep.

And you and everyone else drop the crap, suggesting im saying level = skill when im not.

Please read this....

All im saying is if lvl10-19 can survive in GWEN without the buff because they have "skill" then that is great. That shows the have skill.

If a lvl10-19 cant survive in GWEN without the buff, then they just dont have the skill to play GWEN yet. Although the same could be said for some lvl20s.

In which case those who cant survive need to go gain some skill or learn to play GWEN and try again until they can manage it.

They do not need the buff. And if the buff has as little impact as you all say it does, and it doent effect HP and only caps at 12 then whats the point of it?

The buff may not have a huge impact, but it will have some and it will enhance your abilities slightly to make you better at an area you might otherwise have not been skilled enough to handle.

But fine! Your all happy to allow the buff because its makes the game "more fun", and screw whether it reduces the skill required.

I give up.

arcanemacabre

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14 Dec 2007 at 12:43 - 398

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

All im saying is if lvl10-19 can survive in GWEN without the buff because they have "skill" then that is great. That shows the have skill.

No, that shows they can piggy-back with H/H or in a PuG of level 20's. They would be contributing little to nothing. It doesn't prove any skill at all. With the buff, they are able to contribute and be useful. This is a team game, remember? We're not talking about a level 10-19 going solo and applauding their 300-style defeat against great odds.

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14 Dec 2007 at 13:02 - 399

OMG I love that fish...
thought it was funny despite noticing the Freakedoutfish connection

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14 Dec 2007 at 14:00 - 400

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Well yeah!
You all talk about how GWs is purely about skill, and yet when I talk about making people use those skills at lower levels in GWEN to achieve something without the aid of buffs....I get trolled?

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

But fine! Your all happy to allow the buff because its makes the game "more fun", and screw whether it reduces the skill required.

I give up.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

And you and everyone else drop the crap, suggesting im saying level = skill when im not.

O.o Does this guy like need brain medication or something?

The buffs make levels 10-19 'slighty' less powerful then a level 20. He continues posting it makes the game easier for them and it now takes less skill.