Another bad effect of bmp marketing

Redvex

Redvex

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Me and two other friend needs 2 slot for to have all 10 pg (we have only 8 slot).
We miss the bonus mission pack but now we don't know if buy or not in case will be online another promotion like that

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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then why u didnt buy the slots when the bmp was running?
credit card. debit card. parents' credit card. gift card. prepaid web cards... cmon no excuses

Coridan

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i believe Gaile said there will be some information on the BMP after the holidays in one of her recent chats. May want to hold off for awhile.

I really don't see Anet passing up a chance to make more money...so it will probably be offered for sale or in another promotion

Stormlord Alex

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coridan
I really don't see Anet passing up a chance to make more money...so it will probably be offered for sale or in another promotion
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Don't kid yourselves, children. ANet is a business. Businesses make money.
Now that every Joe-Wammo has seen the shiny BMP weapons...
There's money to be made.
The BMP will be available, just wait.

quickmonty

quickmonty

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Join Date: May 2005

/agree

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lyra_song

lyra_song

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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I dont see how the BMP is anyway related to your problem...

You need slots. So buy them.

If theres any sort of hesitation to not buy it, its certainly not related to the BMP but rather your indecisiveness and lax of commitment to make some sort of decision.

"But another promo might come up?!"

Ya but dont you need slots now?

undeadgun

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Don't kid yourselves, children. ANet is a business. Businesses make money.
Now that every Joe-Wammo has seen the shiny BMP weapons...
There's money to be made.
The BMP will be available, just wait.
QFT 12 chars

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

If you need the slots now, buy them.

If you wanna wait to see if there's another promotion in the future, do it.


We can't make your decisions for you. xD

Redvex

Redvex

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
then why u didnt buy the slots when the bmp was running?
credit card. debit card. parents' credit card. gift card. prepaid web cards... cmon no excuses
No money it is a good reason
Now with xmas gift have money to spend on that

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
If you need the slots now, buy them.

If you wanna wait to see if there's another promotion in the future, do it.


We can't make your decisions for you. xD
That's my request...anyone know or have notice about future promotions? in that case i wait 'till that day

Commander Ryker

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If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.

Wakka

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Northern Ireland

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Unless they release another expansion or campaign to conincide with another BMP, its not gonna happen.

MisterMax

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Ok so let me get this straight.

- You needed 2 character slots when the BMP was out, but you didn't have enough money to buy them.

- But now that you have the money to buy them, you expect Anet to give you another promotion?

Even if you had money back when the BMP offer was active you still wouldn't have received it because you needed to spend $29 or more.

Hmm.. Just got ahead and buy the skill slots and get it over with. Doubt Anet will do anything special since there wont be anything between now and GW2.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.
You had the chance to play it when it was shiny and new.
That's your box!

Wakka

Wakka

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Northern Ireland

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Quote:
You had the chance to play it when it was shiny and new.
That's your box!
You got your shiny box, books and rubbish.
Thats your bonus pack!

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

I don't think it should be available anymore really. Why should some people have 100k+20e kuunavangs for buying into promotional crap, and others get their stuff redistributed after a couple months?

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakka
You got your shiny box, books and rubbish.
Thats your bonus pack!

Nah - I am just sharing my wisdom!
My GWEN money went into the "baby-gets-a-snowboard"-fund!


(And a part of it went into the "baby-gets-some-medical-treatment"-fund also! )

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by IlikeGW
I don't think it should be available anymore really. Why should some people have 100k+20e kuunavangs for buying into promotional crap, and others get their stuff redistributed after a couple months?
This has been discussed endless times and the bottom line? You can't compare things like mini pets or special auras to completely unique content like these missions. IMO, it was fairly obvious they were going to give alternative ways to obtain it. Gaile has more or less said there will be numerous times. And basically, it comes down to two argument, there are those that didn't bother getting it before, because they didn't expect it to be any good, and there are those that will feel cheated if they give another way to obtain the BMP because they don't want others to enjoy it.

Personally, I think they should give it out again, whether it's just a store purchase, or another promotion. The content is too good not to give to everyone, and the fact the major districts are cluttered with the guys connected to it leads me to beleive it will be made more widely available.

The only real reason against it is "no fair! it's mine!"
Yeah, you may have missed out on the box, but is that so important? especially compared to more ingame content that will expand the life of the game.

Star Gazer

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

The only real reason against it is "no fair! it's mine!"
Yeah, you may have missed out on the box, but is that so important? especially compared to more ingame content that will expand the life of the game.
Yeah, you may have missed out on the BMP, but is that so important?
Yeah, you may have missed the Prophecies CE, but is that so important?
Yeah, you may have missed the Factions Pre-Order Even, but is that so important?
Yeah, you may have missed the....etc


Yup. We missed it. And we would expect that due to us giving up the box, you gave up the bmp. The you have missed the box whining is the same about us saying you get the bmp. send me your box with manual and other goodies, and I will have no objections. If they go back on this and run this promotion again, it will hurt future promotions due to people waiting it out. "Oh, new bonus pack 2 eh? I will wait for others to play it to see if I should spend my money."

Coridan

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While I do beleive it will be offered for sale...i also believe that it will hurt ANET in the short run...possibly even the long term. They will piss off people who bought GWEN or other items from the Store to be able to recieve the BMP...where as they could have went out and bought GWEN at a cheaper price from a Game store and recieved boxes/cds/maps/whatever came in the package...

And this will send a note to all players that even tho Anet says it is exclusive and can only be obtained one way....(**psst...but if you wait long enough we will offer it for sale at a later date)...and then go back on thier word as a company it will show that they have little to no integrity..and that can/will cause some major issues down the road...because once you "lie" you are known as a liar...how many people will rush out to preorder GW2 to get some special promotion for preording...if they know that if they complain enough that Anet will offer it again. Not me...

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star Gazer
Yeah, you may have missed out on the BMP, but is that so important?
Yeah, you may have missed the Prophecies CE, but is that so important?
Yeah, you may have missed the Factions Pre-Order Even, but is that so important?
Yeah, you may have missed the....etc


Yup. We missed it. And we would expect that due to us giving up the box, you gave up the bmp. The you have missed the box whining is the same about us saying you get the bmp. send me your box with manual and other goodies, and I will have no objections. If they go back on this and run this promotion again, it will hurt future promotions due to people waiting it out. "Oh, new bonus pack 2 eh? I will wait for others to play it to see if I should spend my money."
I already covered that. The collectors editions gave you nothing except little dances or special weapon skins. Here we're talking about full fledged missions. Is missing out on a box really that important? If you wanted the box that badly, you could have just bought the game from a regular store.

And I imagine future mission packs to be handled the same way. Did anyone really think they were going to create this kind of content, and then NOT give alternate ways to obtain it?

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

We're back to beating this rotting corpse of a dead horse, again?

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
This has been discussed endless times and the bottom line? You can't compare things like mini pets or special auras to completely unique content like these missions.
Why not? They're all just pure novelty. You don't need a couple of half hour missions and blank r9 weapons for any pressing reason more than people deserve 'exclusive' collector bonuses of the past. It should be all resold or none... not screw groups over selectively.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by IlikeGW
It should be all resold or none... not screw groups over selectively.
Selectively? When have any of these been selective?

Star Gazer

Star Gazer

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
I already covered that. The collectors editions gave you nothing except little dances or special weapon skins.
Point being? I have them all, and the point is that it was EXCLUSIVE to those who bought it. Granted, it would be nice to see it in stores again, but it will never happen.

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Is missing out on a box really that important?
I should have stopped reading after this line, as you are so blind in what you WANT rather than the community. get out of the box kid.

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If you wanted the box that badly, you could have just bought the game from a regular store.
uhm...wouldnt I be missing out on the BMP then? o wait, then i could join in the same boat YOU are in for whining and complaining that I did not fulfill the obligations.
Quote:
And I imagine future mission packs to be handled the same way.
I agree. They should make it a ONE TIME, EXCLUSIVE DEAL.

Quote:
Did anyone really think they were going to create this kind of content, and then NOT give alternate ways to obtain it?
uh...yeah. kinda defeats the purpose of a promotion eh?

Coridan

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Quote:
From guildwars.com
For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free! The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history.

Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai. Experience part of Cantha's turbulent past as you witness the violent Tengu Wars. Learn firsthand how the White Mantle rose to power in Kryta. Finally, discover what became of Gwen after the Charr invaded her home and the Searing destroyed everything she'd ever known.

How to Qualify

To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion, you had to spend a total of $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or purchase and activate any product worth $29 USD (€26/£17) through the PlayNC online store, between Noon Pacific Time July 5, 2007 and Noon Pacific Time October 31, 2007.

The Details
The Bonus Mission Pack became available on November 29, 2007. This promotion is non-transferable and is limited to one per account. The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store. The Bonus Mission Pack is available only to those players who own at least one Guild Wars campaign.
I think that says that it should and is exclusive

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

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Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.
word. i want my box if i buy $30 worth of stuff online.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coridan
And this will send a note to all players that even tho Anet says it is exclusive and can only be obtained one way....(**psst...but if you wait long enough we will offer it for sale at a later date)...and then go back on thier word as a company it will show that they have little to no integrity..and that can/will cause some major issues down the road...because once you "lie" you are known as a liar...how many people will rush out to preorder GW2 to get some special promotion for preording...if they know that if they complain enough that Anet will offer it again. Not me...
This isnt any different than console games being exclusive for a short while. the only difference is that console games have a larger market, so they can afford to piss off ppl by doing this. not sure about gw.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
We're back to beating this rotting corpse of a dead horse, again?
as this is like the 10th thread on this topic, this is approaching necrophilia/bestiality with said horse.


sadly, i can see anet reigning in on their word and offer the BMP again. i rather they offer something new along the lines of the BMP.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coridan
I think that says that it should and is exclusive
/close thread

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star Gazer
Point being? I have them all, and the point is that it was EXCLUSIVE to those who bought it. Granted, it would be nice to see it in stores again, but it will never happen.
They never said the content wouldn't be available by other means later on. Infact, I thought that was quite clear in regards to the BMP. They never out right said it would be, but it was never denied.

"It is unsure if the Bonus Mission Pack will be available in the official store, no fixed decision made yet."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star Gazer
I should have stopped reading after this line, as you are so blind in what you WANT rather than the community. get out of the box kid.
Not sure what you're really trying to argue here. You missed out on the box, so you feel nobody else deserves to play these missions? We're talking about a small piece of artwork with some pretty artwork on it, that you'll probably never look at more than twice.. right? I never said that you guys aren't upset about it, it just seems rather silly to be comparing exclusive ingame content to a box.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star Gazer
uhm...wouldnt I be missing out on the BMP then? o wait, then i could join in the same boat YOU are in for whining and complaining that I did not fulfill the obligations.
And once again it just comes down to the same argument. Some of us want the new content, and then there's the rest of you who feel nobody else deserves it. Ever.

Shakti

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

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.[/QUOTE]
=WinterSnowblind
And once again it just comes down to the same argument. Some of us want the new content, and then there's the rest of you who feel nobody else deserves it. Ever.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's really a matter of "nobody else deserving it ever" for most of us (not all, some on both sides of this argument are asshats lol)

It's a matter that for the majority the opportunity WAS there but the CHOICE was to save money/get the boxed version whatever and pass on the BMP. There were those who for various reasons couldn't. But mostly...you made that choice.

This has been beaten into the ground...and under the ground, through the Earth's molten core and back out the other side...do we really need to go through all that gooie molten crap again?

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

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Calculated risk. I decided on the online store because otherwise I had no guarantee of getting the BMP. To this day I'd have had no guarantee.

That and the stuff in the box is available online anyway... so it's no big loss. And I'd rather have the BMP than some material I'm only going to look at once.

If I really felt like it I could have gone out and bought a separate boxed copy of GW:EN...! But no, waste of money.

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.
QFT

Quote:
Originally Posted by IlikeGW
Why not? They're all just pure novelty. You don't need a couple of 15 minute missions and blank r9 weapons for any pressing reason more than people deserve 'exclusive' collector bonuses of the past. It should be all resold or none... not screw groups over selectively.
Correction.


Anyways...I went with making a purchase online from the GW Store knowing that I will be missing out on the box and its contents, but only because the BMP was only going to be "exclusively" offered online for only that specific promotion. If they do release the BMP to everyone / for sale, then that exclusiveness of the promotion no longer becomes valid, and thus it means that I have been led to make a purchase I normally wouldn't under false advertising :/

Lonesamurai

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Holy shit, who pulled the horses dead body out to be flogged again?

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

Anet should release the BMP in general, they should charge what we all had to pay for it - 29 dollars.

Then, of course, there will be rage that it wasn't free and should be or that it wasn't worth it. However, Anet had repeatedly said it was intended to be a reward for those that were "loyal" to them and purchased through the online store - I did. This is the same reason why pre-order/collector's editions packages are not able to be tacked onto old accounts, especially true on the collector's edition of Prophecies.

Of course this has been discussed to death and the above is irrelevant because, well just because. Actually it is irrelevant because were it to be relevant then the people wanting it on the cheap would have no case.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by strcpy
Anet should release the BMP in general, they should charge what we all had to pay for it - 29 dollars.

Then, of course, there will be rage that it wasn't free and should be or that it wasn't worth it. However, Anet had repeatedly said it was intended to be a reward for those that were "loyal" to them and purchased through the online store - I did. This is the same reason why pre-order/collector's editions packages are not able to be tacked onto old accounts, especially true on the collector's edition of Prophecies.

Of course this has been discussed to death and the above is irrelevant because, well just because. Actually it is irrelevant because were it to be relevant then the people wanting it on the cheap would have no case.
You can buy a CE of the campaigns and link it to your old campaign of the same name. You don't get extra slots or anything except the special CE glowies.

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
You can buy a CE of the campaigns and link it to your old campaign of the same name. You don't get extra slots or anything except the special CE glowies.
CE of campaigns are no longer made, and the remaining copies of Prophecies CE are usually upwards of $100. That is, if you can find any.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Don't kid yourselves, children. ANet is a business. Businesses make money.
Now that every Joe-Wammo has seen the shiny BMP weapons...
There's money to be made.
The BMP will be available, just wait.

Arenanet has clarified in many statements and ads that the bonus mission pack is exclusive.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coridan
While I do beleive it will be offered for sale...i also believe that it will hurt ANET in the short run...possibly even the long term. They will piss off people who bought GWEN or other items from the Store to be able to recieve the BMP...where as they could have went out and bought GWEN at a cheaper price from a Game store and recieved boxes/cds/maps/whatever came in the package...

And this will send a note to all players that even tho Anet says it is exclusive and can only be obtained one way....(**psst...but if you wait long enough we will offer it for sale at a later date)...and then go back on thier word as a company it will show that they have little to no integrity..and that can/will cause some major issues down the road...because once you "lie" you are known as a liar...how many people will rush out to preorder GW2 to get some special promotion for preording...if they know that if they complain enough that Anet will offer it again. Not me...
I want to address this, because I cannot find a single reference to ""exclusive" and "can only be obtained one way." I checked the BMP Page and I don't see those words or even a hint of that sort of policy. I then checked the BMP FAQ, and a July Dev Update about the BMP, then a later Dev Update I wrote about the BMP, although the second one was about verification, so a bit off topic. And truly, I just do not see any sort of language saying that the BMP will never be available via any other means.

This is important to me because I have relayed the requests of numerous players that the BMP be offered for sale at some point in the future. If indeed ArenaNet and/or NCsoft has stated, flat out, that the BMP would be available only once, only through the promotion, and never through any other means, there would be no point in my relaying those requests.

So I hope you can help me out and show me where we make absolute statements of the kind that you mention, so that I can better understand what I should be advocating on the behalf of players concerning future BMP availability. Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by You can't see me
Arenanet has clarified in many statements and ads that the bonus mission pack is exclusive.
Can you show me where? I sure don't want to ask for something that we can't offer, because of previous statements about the BMP.

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
I want to address this, because I cannot find a single reference to ""exclusive" and "can only be obtained one way." I checked the BMP Page and I don't see those words or even a hint of that sort of policy. I then checked the BMP FAQ, and a July Dev Update about the BMP, then a later Dev Update I wrote about the BMP, although the second one was about verification, so a bit off topic. And truly, I just do not see any sort of language saying that the BMP will never be available via any other means.

This is important to me because I have relayed the requests of numerous players that the BMP be offered for sale at some point in the future. If indeed ArenaNet and/or NCsoft has stated, flat out, that the BMP would be available only once, only through the promotion, and never through any other means, there would be no point in my relaying those requests.

So I hope you can help me out and show me where we make absolute statements of the kind that you mention, so that I can better understand what I should be advocating on the behalf of players concerning future BMP availability. Thanks.

Can you show me where? I sure don't want to ask for something that we can't offer, because of previous statements about the BMP.
Apparently you missed the part where it says this.


How to Qualify

To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion, you had to spend a total of $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or purchase and activate any product worth $29 USD (€26/£17) through the PlayNC online store, between Noon Pacific Time July 5, 2007 and Noon Pacific Time October 31, 2007.


That it was only availiable at that time. That pretty much says exclusivty to me and most ppl.

Saraphim

Saraphim

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The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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Hmmm... well this:

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For a limited time*, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!
and this:

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The Bonus Pack will only* be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion* in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store.
Do tend to give the impression that the BMP was a limited time offer. Many people, myself included were under the impression that we would not be able to get it if they didn't take part in this promotion. Therefore I, like many others, decided to do without the boxed version and pay more for it through the ingame store (in actual fact £7.00 more than I could have purchased it through another online retailer).

Personally, I don't really care what happens, I have it and I'm not that bothered if other means to get it arise. But I think a lot of people will.


*My emphasis

Krazi Bastid

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!

keyword there is...FREE. i think that to get the bmp later on, they will just put a price on it. if you get all technical, im entitled to my bmp because i bought gwen at the online store, for 40bucks if i remember correctly, and got the bmp at no extra cost. im sure later on the bmp will go up for sale but then ppl will have to pay for it. the ppl who think they are being cheated or whatever because they payed online and gave up their box and adhered to the promotion, then they can just complain to anet and petition them to sell the box and manual and cds and whatever else we missed out on.