Another bad effect of bmp marketing

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Tyla
Emo Goth Italics
#41
move it on people, nothing to see here
maraxusofk
maraxusofk
Desert Nomad
#42
well as long as people will hafta buy it and wont get it as part of a promotion thats cool. otherwise we woulda been jipped to buy it for more online.
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Wilian Norward
Ascalonian Squire
#43
I wouldn't hold your breath hoping that Anet is a business so they will be compelled to sell the BMP in the store.

To that logic why not sell gold in the store, or minipets, or those collectors dances, or those auras since apparently they are only in it for the money?

The special bonuses are designed to promote their product, what part of that is so hard to understand? Re-releasing the promotions for anyone to buy completely defeats that purpose.
Gaile Gray
Gaile Gray
ArenaNet
#44
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Originally Posted by Krazi Bastid
For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!

keyword there is...FREE. i think that to get the bmp later on, they will just put a price on it. if you get all technical, im entitled to my bmp because i bought gwen at the online store, for 40bucks if i remember correctly, and got the bmp at no extra cost. im sure later on the bmp will go up for sale but then ppl will have to pay for it. the ppl who think they are being cheated or whatever because they payed online and gave up their box and adhered to the promotion, then they can just complain to anet and petition them to sell the box and manual and cds and whatever else we missed out on.
Yes, exactly. Or...
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Apparently you missed the part where it says this: To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion, you had to spend a total of $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or purchase and activate any product worth $29 USD (€26/£17) through the PlayNC online store, between Noon Pacific Time July 5, 2007 and Noon Pacific Time October 31, 2007.

That it was only availiable at that time. That pretty much says exclusivty to me and most ppl.
Well, actually, what those lines refer to is the promotion that allowed people to get the BMP for free. Let me make that more clear by emphasis: "To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion..." You see, it's doesn't say "to get the Bonus Mission Pack..." but "to get the promotion..." The promotion gave the BMP free to those who met the requirements, but the BMP wasn't a promotion in and of itself. (I know that sounds confusing. )

It's like our Holiday Promotion, where if you purchase GW:EN, you can get a campaign for 1/2 price. After the promotion, we're not going to stop offering GW:EN, we're simply going to stop the bonus pricing on the campaign. The same applies, in my opinion, to the Bonus Mission Pack. We had a promotion and gave a free BMP as part of that promotion. But I truly don't see where we would be precluded from offering the BMP again and since so many players have asked for that, I personally believe that we should do so. (It's up to the company to decide whether to make that offer of not, of course!)

Thanks for the references, and I truly don't mean to argue, but I do think that it's important for me to clarify what the message was in the marketing text.
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blurmedia
Banned
#45
Sounds like a "wanna make more money guys? hmm" question to me
Shadow Kurd
Shadow Kurd
Wilds Pathfinder
#46
You got PWND by Gaile !!

So if i see this clear when(and if) the BMP becomes available in the store, we will have to pay for it
DeBron
DeBron
Lion's Arch Merchant
#47
No one expected the BMP to actually be good . . . most promotional stuff is garbage.
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Loviatar
Underworld Spelunker
#48
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Yes, exactly. Or...
Well, actually, what those lines refer to is the promotion that allowed people to get the BMP for free. Let me make that more clear by emphasis: "To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion..." You see, it's doesn't say "to get the Bonus Mission Pack..." but "to get the promotion..." The promotion gave the BMP free to those who met the requirements, but the BMP wasn't a promotion in and of itself. (I know that sounds confusing. )
hi Gaile please remember i am on your side but here it is from the site with no *free* qualifiers on it.

this is the only way and only the exact qualifing account can get it.

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The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store.
only be available to the specified account

not free to that account but exclusive to that account with zero qualifiers
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Sharkman
Frost Gate Guardian
#49
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The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store.
Thats there just so nobody will be able to complain when they cant pass their key on to a buddy or second account.
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Loviatar
Underworld Spelunker
#50
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Originally Posted by Sharkman
Thats there just so nobody will be able to complain when they cant pass their key on to a buddy or second account.
since there is no key given thats BS as it is automatically added to the account using the store.

next .................

linkie for all as i forgot it.

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ck/default.php

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Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack Promotion
For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!
The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history.
Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.
Experience part of Cantha's turbulent past as you witness the violent Tengu Wars.
Learn firsthand how the White Mantle rose to power in Kryta.
Finally, discover what became of Gwen after the Charr invaded her home and the Searing destroyed everything she'd ever known.


How to Qualify

Spend a total of $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or purchase and activate any product worth $29 USD (€26/£17) through the PlayNC online store, between Noon Pacific Time July 5, 2007 and 11:59 PM Pacific Time October 31, 2007.

You can spend the required amount all at once, or over time; your purchases will be tracked and once you meet the requirement, you will qualify to receive the Bonus Mission Pack!



The Details

The Bonus Mission Pack will release in November. This promotion is non-transferable and is limited to one per account. The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store.
yes it says free

note that it will only be available to that account that qualified before yelling see.....

not available for free but flat out only available period exclusive to the qualifying account
thunderai
thunderai
Community Works Moderator
#51
My personal feeling is that (we) were esentialy blackmailed into purchasing GWEN online if we ever wanted the BMP. This was our one chance. Reading the text, I wanted the BMP so I sacrified the box and got EotN online. Now I suppose they could argue I could have purchased anything else adding up to the qualified amount; however, I already had everything. Which left me no choice and as such I was blackmailed into it.

Now, if they want to release the BMP for a cost of $29.00 then I have no problems, or if they offer it for free with another qualifying purchase of $29.00 then I have no problems. If they ever give it for free without any attachment then I have problems. I'm not so vain to think I'll ever get a box in the mail for EotN but it would be a nice deal if they offered the box contents as part of this future promotion to give away BMP.
Cacheelma
Cacheelma
Desert Nomad
#52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.
Totally agree with you. This is why I think the whole BMP thing is a failure from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Yes, exactly. Or...
Well, actually, what those lines refer to is the promotion that allowed people to get the BMP for free. Let me make that more clear by emphasis: "To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion..." You see, it's doesn't say "to get the Bonus Mission Pack..." but "to get the promotion..." The promotion gave the BMP free to those who met the requirements, but the BMP wasn't a promotion in and of itself. (I know that sounds confusing. )

It's like our Holiday Promotion, where if you purchase GW:EN, you can get a campaign for 1/2 price. After the promotion, we're not going to stop offering GW:EN, we're simply going to stop the bonus pricing on the campaign. The same applies, in my opinion, to the Bonus Mission Pack. We had a promotion and gave a free BMP as part of that promotion. But I truly don't see where we would be precluded from offering the BMP again and since so many players have asked for that, I personally believe that we should do so. (It's up to the company to decide whether to make that offer of not, of course!)

Thanks for the references, and I truly don't mean to argue, but I do think that it's important for me to clarify what the message was in the marketing text.
God, Gaile, you're good, especially with the whole bait & switch thing you and Anet tend to do.

After all, who cares about anything else as long as you can get more money, right?

I truly wish that this will bring you far, and good.
Coridan
Coridan
Forge Runner
#53
but this is total BS in no way did Anet or Gaile imply to those of us who purchased GWEN through the online store that the BMP would be available at a later date. I am afraid that my "trust" in Anet is going to go rapidly downhill....tis unfortunate because i really was under the impression and the impression was given by Anet that the ONLY way to get the BMP was through this promotion.

Everyone here knows that although it may not have been specificaly stated...it was strongly implied that the BMP would only be available to those how made the qualifying purchases from the in game store between the dates that were specified. I am exteremely disappointed in Anet...its just sad that you think you have found an honest business "partner" and then have them betray that trust....so disappointing.

Why disappointing? Because i had just purchased factions not too long before this announcement (the BMP offer)..and I wouldn't have purchased GWEN through the on line store at that time unless i had to, because i still had factions to beat...had no need for new content at that time and would have held off on purchasing GWEN expect for the fact that it was implied that the only way to get the BMP was to purchase 29.99 dollars worth of stuff through the online store. I didn't need extra slots/unlocks/whatever else was availble for purchase...as i have 8 slots and only 3 filled with toons..but i didn't want to miss out on the chance to play content from GW that was only a limited time offer...therefor i purchased GWEN so i wouldn't miss out on the BMP...if Gaile had given a bit more clarification about the release of the BMP i would have held off...funny that she couldn't be more specific until after the BMP was released...shaddy dealings i reckon...now i know to never believe what Anet says reguarding anything else...maybe next week the will offer the divine aura through the online store...or maybe there will be an exclusive BMP2 that you can only get with a 29.99 purchase through the online store...i would imagine that i would just have to wait it out..since i haven't even done the BMP missions yet because I like to finish a campaign before moving on to the next set of things to do in the game...basically i got screwed out of my money because i sure as hell wouldn't have bought GWEN yet because my characters are not in need of new content that can be purchased at a later date....
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azizul1975
Lion's Arch Merchant
#54
i started playing GW not long before the BMP promotion came out, may be in May. at the time i only had Faction campaign. then the promotion came out, and i bought Prophecy through online store thus qualifying me for the BMP. in fact i bought Nightfall through online store as well, so now i have all 3 campaign. the only one i don't have right now is GWEN.

Now, i think i will hold on from buying anything from the online store for a while, who knows, Anet will come out with another set of BMP ( call it BMP version 2, with different story...lol) . i dont need GWEN for the moment. There is a lot more of GW i havent explored yet in the 3 campaign.
Gregslot
Gregslot
Wilds Pathfinder
#55
Nahhh, look at you all! So selfish.
Just becuase you got a new toy you dont want others to get it too.
Want to feel different and special? Putt a watermelon on your head and go take a walk!
Your are all sounding like spoiled children.
This is just like asking to lower some requirements at HoM, some people dont want it to because they have it and they dont want others to have it. Just like selfish spolied little children.
And now correct me if im wrong.


And by the way, you should be happy if they become available. Im sure there are at least 1-2 people you know that couldnt get the BMP for one reason or another. So feel happy for them, instead of wishing his disgrace.
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CyberNigma
Jungle Guide
#56
I don't care if they sell it or not. It won't affect whether I have it. However, I would suggest, if you like buying stuff in the store, and will be playing GW2, do not ever try one of their promotions, regardless of what they say if it means (for you) buying a digital version over a retail version. Regardless of what they say, or how confusing they may word it, they will most likely offer an alternative afterwards (or provide a lamen's interpretation of their wording). Also not that the clarifications of any promotion will almost certainly be made AFTER the promotion period and not during the promotion period (as we are seeing here).

I don't care if it's exclusive or not. I bought char slots, but I really 'needed' them I suppose, or at least one or two maybe not three.

Lesson for all of you that doubted: it's purely marketing speech and yes, ANet will provide other means. I actually think its good because now in the future if I come across that choice I know that promotions will become content. I like the maps and stuff, including books (worthless to most people), which means this works out for me.

Remember, ANet is (collectively) a Grandmaster Marketer. Do not ever think that they are ruling anything out in your interpretation of their wording. There's a reason to wait until after the promotion for clarifications and speculation.
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CyberNigma
Jungle Guide
#57
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Originally Posted by Coridan
but this is total BS in no way did Anet or Gaile imply to those of us who purchased GWEN through the online store that the BMP would be available at a later date. I am afraid that my "trust" in Anet is going to go rapidly downhill....tis unfortunate because i really was under the impression and the impression was given by Anet that the ONLY way to get the BMP was through this promotion.

Everyone here knows that although it may not have been specificaly stated...it was strongly implied that the BMP would only be available to those how made the qualifying purchases from the in game store between the dates that were specified. I am exteremely disappointed in Anet...its just sad that you think you have found an honest business "partner" and then have them betray that trust....so disappointing.

it's marketing, she didn't imply either way. They always wait until after some release to 'clarify or simpy' their statement. You should know that by now. It's happened with every chapter so far in some way or another, although in some cases they have changed according to users wishes...some..cases..

As far as any CE(which they seem to have stuck to at least by not re-releasing them) or expansion/feature you are taking a gamble on whether your interpretation is correct. Extra storage was an example, though they changed it a bit according to users' wishes.

Personally, I like the idea that nothing (except CE which is tied to the particular box releases) is exclusive. This means you can always wait it out for either a price drop (or sale) or a release via the in-game store. For those of you playing GW2, it means thatyou can choose to do the promotions (if you intended to buy something from the in-game store anyways), OR if there is nothing from the store you want or need, you can stick to retail until that item you DO want becomes available. It's a win-win situation.
Hott Bill
Hott Bill
Wilds Pathfinder
#58
Anet said "If you spend money in the in-game store you would receive the BMP" stop crying because you were not smart enough to buy when the promotion was going on.
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Loviatar
Underworld Spelunker
#59
[QUOTE]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coridan
but this is total BS in no way did Anet or Gaile imply to those of us who purchased GWEN through the online store that the BMP would be available at a later date. I am afraid that my "trust" in Anet is going to go rapidly downhill....tis unfortunate because i really was under the impression and the impression was given by Anet that the ONLY way to get the BMP was through this promotion.

Everyone here knows that although it may not have been specificaly stated..
it was specifically stated at that link i gave to the GW site


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The Details

The Bonus Mission Pack will release in November. This promotion is non-transferable and is limited to one per account. The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store.
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azizul1975
Lion's Arch Merchant
#60
ok.. one more thing, how would those who get kuunavang by buying faction collectors edition feel if Anet make it available through online store for let's say $2 ? cheated ?

it was exclusive, part of promotion, i think, and yet anet didnt say they wouldnt make it available for possible sale in future....right gaile? or did they?