Another bad effect of bmp marketing

move it on people, nothing to see here

well as long as people will hafta buy it and wont get it as part of a promotion thats cool. otherwise we woulda been jipped to buy it for more online.

I wouldn't hold your breath hoping that Anet is a business so they will be compelled to sell the BMP in the store.

To that logic why not sell gold in the store, or minipets, or those collectors dances, or those auras since apparently they are only in it for the money?

The special bonuses are designed to promote their product, what part of that is so hard to understand? Re-releasing the promotions for anyone to buy completely defeats that purpose.

Yes, exactly. Or...
Well, actually, what those lines refer to is the promotion that allowed people to get the BMP for free. Let me make that more clear by emphasis: "To qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack promotion..." You see, it's doesn't say "to get the Bonus Mission Pack..." but "to get the promotion..." The promotion gave the BMP free to those who met the requirements, but the BMP wasn't a promotion in and of itself. (I know that sounds confusing. )

It's like our Holiday Promotion, where if you purchase GW:EN, you can get a campaign for 1/2 price. After the promotion, we're not going to stop offering GW:EN, we're simply going to stop the bonus pricing on the campaign. The same applies, in my opinion, to the Bonus Mission Pack. We had a promotion and gave a free BMP as part of that promotion. But I truly don't see where we would be precluded from offering the BMP again and since so many players have asked for that, I personally believe that we should do so. (It's up to the company to decide whether to make that offer of not, of course!)

Thanks for the references, and I truly don't mean to argue, but I do think that it's important for me to clarify what the message was in the marketing text.

Sounds like a "wanna make more money guys? hmm" question to me

You got PWND by Gaile !!

So if i see this clear when(and if) the BMP becomes available in the store, we will have to pay for it

No one expected the BMP to actually be good . . . most promotional stuff is garbage.

[QUOTE]hi Gaile please remember i am on your side but here it is from the site with no *free* qualifiers on it.

this is the only way and only the exact qualifing account can get it.

only be available to the specified account

not free to that account but exclusive to that account with zero qualifiers

Thats there just so nobody will be able to complain when they cant pass their key on to a buddy or second account.

since there is no key given thats BS as it is automatically added to the account using the store.

next .................

linkie for all as i forgot it.

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ck/default.php

yes it says free

note that it will only be available to that account that qualified before yelling see.....

not available for free but flat out only available period exclusive to the qualifying account

My personal feeling is that (we) were esentialy blackmailed into purchasing GWEN online if we ever wanted the BMP. This was our one chance. Reading the text, I wanted the BMP so I sacrified the box and got EotN online. Now I suppose they could argue I could have purchased anything else adding up to the qualified amount; however, I already had everything. Which left me no choice and as such I was blackmailed into it.

Now, if they want to release the BMP for a cost of $29.00 then I have no problems, or if they offer it for free with another qualifying purchase of $29.00 then I have no problems. If they ever give it for free without any attachment then I have problems. I'm not so vain to think I'll ever get a box in the mail for EotN but it would be a nice deal if they offered the box contents as part of this future promotion to give away BMP.

Totally agree with you. This is why I think the whole BMP thing is a failure from the beginning.

God, Gaile, you're good, especially with the whole bait & switch thing you and Anet tend to do.

After all, who cares about anything else as long as you can get more money, right?

I truly wish that this will bring you far, and good.

but this is total BS in no way did Anet or Gaile imply to those of us who purchased GWEN through the online store that the BMP would be available at a later date. I am afraid that my "trust" in Anet is going to go rapidly downhill....tis unfortunate because i really was under the impression and the impression was given by Anet that the ONLY way to get the BMP was through this promotion.

Everyone here knows that although it may not have been specificaly stated...it was strongly implied that the BMP would only be available to those how made the qualifying purchases from the in game store between the dates that were specified. I am exteremely disappointed in Anet...its just sad that you think you have found an honest business "partner" and then have them betray that trust....so disappointing.

Why disappointing? Because i had just purchased factions not too long before this announcement (the BMP offer)..and I wouldn't have purchased GWEN through the on line store at that time unless i had to, because i still had factions to beat...had no need for new content at that time and would have held off on purchasing GWEN expect for the fact that it was implied that the only way to get the BMP was to purchase 29.99 dollars worth of stuff through the online store. I didn't need extra slots/unlocks/whatever else was availble for purchase...as i have 8 slots and only 3 filled with toons..but i didn't want to miss out on the chance to play content from GW that was only a limited time offer...therefor i purchased GWEN so i wouldn't miss out on the BMP...if Gaile had given a bit more clarification about the release of the BMP i would have held off...funny that she couldn't be more specific until after the BMP was released...shaddy dealings i reckon...now i know to never believe what Anet says reguarding anything else...maybe next week the will offer the divine aura through the online store...or maybe there will be an exclusive BMP2 that you can only get with a 29.99 purchase through the online store...i would imagine that i would just have to wait it out..since i haven't even done the BMP missions yet because I like to finish a campaign before moving on to the next set of things to do in the game...basically i got screwed out of my money because i sure as hell wouldn't have bought GWEN yet because my characters are not in need of new content that can be purchased at a later date....

i started playing GW not long before the BMP promotion came out, may be in May. at the time i only had Faction campaign. then the promotion came out, and i bought Prophecy through online store thus qualifying me for the BMP. in fact i bought Nightfall through online store as well, so now i have all 3 campaign. the only one i don't have right now is GWEN.

Now, i think i will hold on from buying anything from the online store for a while, who knows, Anet will come out with another set of BMP ( call it BMP version 2, with different story...lol) . i dont need GWEN for the moment. There is a lot more of GW i havent explored yet in the 3 campaign.

Nahhh, look at you all! So selfish.
Just becuase you got a new toy you dont want others to get it too.
Want to feel different and special? Putt a watermelon on your head and go take a walk!
Your are all sounding like spoiled children.
This is just like asking to lower some requirements at HoM, some people dont want it to because they have it and they dont want others to have it. Just like selfish spolied little children.
And now correct me if im wrong.


And by the way, you should be happy if they become available. Im sure there are at least 1-2 people you know that couldnt get the BMP for one reason or another. So feel happy for them, instead of wishing his disgrace.

I don't care if they sell it or not. It won't affect whether I have it. However, I would suggest, if you like buying stuff in the store, and will be playing GW2, do not ever try one of their promotions, regardless of what they say if it means (for you) buying a digital version over a retail version. Regardless of what they say, or how confusing they may word it, they will most likely offer an alternative afterwards (or provide a lamen's interpretation of their wording). Also not that the clarifications of any promotion will almost certainly be made AFTER the promotion period and not during the promotion period (as we are seeing here).

I don't care if it's exclusive or not. I bought char slots, but I really 'needed' them I suppose, or at least one or two maybe not three.

Lesson for all of you that doubted: it's purely marketing speech and yes, ANet will provide other means. I actually think its good because now in the future if I come across that choice I know that promotions will become content. I like the maps and stuff, including books (worthless to most people), which means this works out for me.

Remember, ANet is (collectively) a Grandmaster Marketer. Do not ever think that they are ruling anything out in your interpretation of their wording. There's a reason to wait until after the promotion for clarifications and speculation.

it's marketing, she didn't imply either way. They always wait until after some release to 'clarify or simpy' their statement. You should know that by now. It's happened with every chapter so far in some way or another, although in some cases they have changed according to users wishes...some..cases..

As far as any CE(which they seem to have stuck to at least by not re-releasing them) or expansion/feature you are taking a gamble on whether your interpretation is correct. Extra storage was an example, though they changed it a bit according to users' wishes.

Personally, I like the idea that nothing (except CE which is tied to the particular box releases) is exclusive. This means you can always wait it out for either a price drop (or sale) or a release via the in-game store. For those of you playing GW2, it means thatyou can choose to do the promotions (if you intended to buy something from the in-game store anyways), OR if there is nothing from the store you want or need, you can stick to retail until that item you DO want becomes available. It's a win-win situation.

Anet said "If you spend money in the in-game store you would receive the BMP" stop crying because you were not smart enough to buy when the promotion was going on.

[QUOTE]it was specifically stated at that link i gave to the GW site

ok.. one more thing, how would those who get kuunavang by buying faction collectors edition feel if Anet make it available through online store for let's say $2 ? cheated ?

it was exclusive, part of promotion, i think, and yet anet didnt say they wouldnt make it available for possible sale in future....right gaile? or did they?

I doubt you'd still say this when Anet reveals some other ways for people to get the BMP.

Who would be "not smart enough" then?

I'm guessing you didn't get the BMP. hmm?

I didn't even bother with GWEN. Your point being?

QFT. Redundant debate. I got the BMP cos I did X. You don't have the BMP, but you'll get it soon by doing Y. Or not, by not doing Y, and not having done X. Maybe Y = money? Might be. So what?

Don't like GWEN? Don't like GW anymore? Not like the good ol' days? Made you quit playing, did it? So stop posting.

Simple as that. Get over it.

Interesting points. Let me see if I can explain:

• We don't sell gold because it devalues the game economy and would cause problems to players, as a whole.
• We don't sell miniatures because... I don't know, we just haven't, although I don't guess I see an economic harm to their sale. (I'll ask about that one to see what the philosophy is on it.)
• We don't sell the collector's dances or the divine aura (or holiday hats) because they are associated with certain purchases and are always offered on an excusive, limited-number, and limited-time basis. I'm pretty sure that this is understood amongst gamers. I know in my mind, the very meaning of "Collector's Edition" includes such concepts as special, exclusive content, and limited in numbers.)

That verbiage is to tell you which account can access the BMP, based on your acquistion. It tells you that you cannot acquire it in the In-Game Store, or the PlayNC Store, and then say "It's for my other account" or "I want this to be activated on the account of my friend/wife/guildmate." (I wish it could!)

The wording you quote means that the account that acquires it -- in this case through a promotion -- must be the one that activates it. This wording has nothing whatever to do with the means by which you acquire it, whether you get it through the promotion or not. If we were to sell it, the exact same wording would apply. Hope that helps!

Thank you, Sharkman, you said it more clearly than I did.

I have one. I think it's neat that it's a CE exclusive, BUT, by offering it separately, it could save a bunch of people money by not buying the CE and just buying the mini-pet along with the regular version (assuming the mini-pet plus regular is less that the CE which has all the physical extras). It would be good for the consumer, but I think it would backfire on ANet, assuming they want sales of the CE.

When did I mention GW:EN?

Was the BMP not a special, exclusive content? That is how it was portrayed and marketed....and I am pretty sure that this was understtod amongst gamers in the GW community as well.

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Highlighted for emphasis... I would not have spent $29.99 in the online store had i not been mislead about the availabity of the BMP

Yet your post makes you out to be a spoiled little child youself, you are kinda begging to get this, like "OMG ME WANT ME WANT"...

And yet again, i say "Move it on people, nothing to see here".

Age old debate, can a mod please close?

Oh I'm sorry. I thought I don't have to explain everthing to you IN DETAIL and that you'd understand what I implied. Guess I'm wrong so here goes:

I don't like the whole BMP thing. I hate how it's done. And as I was (and still am) upset with everything about GW I decided not to bother with GWEN thus resulting in me not getting BMP as well. I don't care. I'm glad about my decision.

What I'm posting in this thread is this: I don't like how Gaile and Anet started to make it sound as if they'll make the BMP (which people more or less assumed that it would be exclusive to the promotion) available again later by some other means. While it proves my point that Anet isn't what I thought it is, I still don't like it.

Get it now, or should I explain more?

I think is it pretty clear that Gaile is doing her job very well. She hears in the community people are upset they didn't get the chance to get the BMP and she is trying to find a way to justify a new release. I do not fault her for that at all. What I think aNet and crew need to do is tell the community that they have balls and not re-release it. Maybe they can actually make something of an expansion pack type of content in which our toons die and actually have a fitting end to their life before GW2 comes out.

Gaile, you hear I want to se emy toon die in a blaze of glory. I dont think I should have to payfor it but I will if I can just see a fitting end to my toons life rather than some silly monologe.

well I should add, unless in GW2 there is an openning after you link the toons in which yopu see your toon finally die.

With all respect, where?

Where was it said, "If you don't participate in this offer, you'll never have a chance to get this content. Ever." When was it stated, "Buy now, or forever hold your peace?" I honestly and truly want to be sure we all understand one another, but I've scoured the documents, the pages, the FAQs, and the Dev Updates, and I do not see a "one time only" or "exclusive," or "never to be offered again" in any of those pages.

So the message in the future is: don't buy anything from Anet at release. In two months it will be way cheaper AND you can get any special promotion still.

Edit- Nevermind, if you couldn't find it I probably read it wrong.

Where is it stated that there will only be one chance at getting the Divine Aura, or Kuunavang? My guess be the same spot that it was said the BMP would only be available to those who actually participated in the promotion. If you're basing your argument on an assumption that people see things the same way as you (i.e. if I see collector's I think "exclusive and one time only" but if I see bonus I think "everyone can get it when and wherever") then it's going to be rough going for you.

I can't speak for anyone else in regards to how they interpret words from marketing ads. I don't feel like anyone can speak for me either. When you see collector's you may very well think that it's a one and done type thing, but that's just your interpretation. Mine might be that it's available for a relative few now, but later on it will be made available to all by other means. Of course, those who interpreted it as something special that they would have would feel mislead and betrayed.

The same can (and is) said for the BMP. Just like "Collector's" items, it was never flatly stated that "Buy now, or forever hold your peace". But some people might think it implied that, just like some people are hopeful that divine aura's and other collector's edition items will be made available later because it was never stated definitively that they wouldn't be. But now comes the whole skewing of words and their meanings deal and how they are interpreted by the general public, and I see that's the game you want to play. Frankly it turns me off of the company.

As much as I would normally defend you guys I can't on this one.

The language used *strongly* implied it, in fact it is pretty much the same language used for CE and pre-order stuff when it was out. It obviously isn't false advertising or bait and switch, however it isn't a very good thing going on. It reminds me of a friend of mine that purchased a device that would make all your remotes into one unit (mind, this is the late 80's early 90's when this stuff was new) for about half of what all the others cost - they received a rubber band and instructions on how to band them together. Not false, not bait and switch, not even a lie - yet no one is going to feel happy and content when this happens.

At the very least you chose to respond to threads in which it was *always* said to be exclusive (that is, the only way to get it) with answers to any questions except correcting that one. If you has even once said otherwise I would also be right there pointing it out. You pretty much gave tacit approval to the message there. In fact, how long was it before you even convinced others that it needed to be available in the online store - your constant "I will check" also strongly implies it was not originally intended to general release and was the equivalent of the CE stuff.

I don't see *anyone* arguing that they thought otherwise, they are simply arguing that it isn't fair to do this and now want both. I would note they only argued this *after* they saw the missions were good - they were assuming they would suck and not be worth it and those of us that spent *extra* in your online store had a belief that you guys would do good.

Ahh well, like I said before offer it for what I payed for it - 29 dollars and I won't really care too much (I still think it is wrong, but I can live with that). I would also say that you can sell the BMP for 5-10 dollars but allow the weapons to stay exclusive to those of us who supported you (much like the CE or pre-order items remain exclusive). I *do* feel sorry for newer players that would like to play those missions and were not there for the promotion. Lets face it, I (and the other BMP people) purchased the game to get the missions anyway, the weapons were a nice add-on and is most likely what most of the complainers are actually wanting.

In the end you guys said "support us and we will give you something special" (much the same reason many of us get CE editions) and it is now turning into something that is well, not special. I purchase the game because I like it and I don't see that changing, however I spend a little extra for the online store and purchase special editions to support you guys and it doesn't feel nice to have the promised reward to be given to everyone who didn't bother to do so even though they knew about it. If this turns out wrong I can't say my motivation for paying a little more to help you guys out is going to be very strong and I rather suspect that you will loose more than from that sentiment than you stand to gain from doing what some want for the BMP.

It seems like a good news will come for those who don't have BMP, like me.

Also, I am soooo tired and sick of looking for a new shield that suits my warrior (Sold my tormented shield already). Tengu Shield will totally satisfy my lustful need

the only bad effect of bmp marketing is the amount of whining it generates in the QQers here.

[QUOTE=strcpy]As much as I would normally defend you guys I can't on this one.

The language used *strongly* implied it, in fact it is pretty much the same language used for CE and pre-order stuff when it was out.

In the end you guys said "support us and we will give you something special" (much the same reason many of us get CE editions) QUOTE]

Totally, completely agree. If Gaile wants to turn her previous CR statements and various assurances that the BMP was special and for the time it was indicated only (and reinforced time after time) into her above statement, that's a bold-faced reversal of position, and a virtual lie, right here for us all to see.

I'm not claiming that they legally can't repackage the BMP or re-offer it or whatever, obviously they can. But it's a blatant breach of trust, and Gaile needs to come right out and address that, rather than her typical straw man arguments that Anet never claimed on the outset that the BMP could legally be redistributed via whatever means has the exact same meaning as her numerous CR statements that the BMP was a one time only deal.

I'm pretty shocked at Gaile's above statement. It really shows a breach of trust, and that her word is worth very little in these forums.