Insane lag at Event

toasted

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

N/Me

oh snap!



Quote:
Originally Posted by Tooplex198
What the hell! I just wasted 35 mins of my life for a hat and now its gone! Super Epic Fail no actually i need this picture:



And also ive lost 3 shards

the_last_m_p

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Well for some weird reason my char being in dis 1 english european lost not only everything from THIS event, but everything from the one 3 hours bfore as well
Needless to say, I am not happy - I had about 100 presents collected during the earlier one

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

Hmm I smell a need for a ReduX

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

I would deal with lag and stuff, but rollback?

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

45minutes rollback to me. lost 7 unlucky points and i have 31 cc shards as i had before grenth arrived.

the_last_m_p

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Don't think it was a rollback. Seems as if one of their servers crashed, before the changes on it could be propagated to other servers. i.e. if you stayed connected and then died on it, you lost all you had for all the time you were on. I should have logged out after the last event *(&&*^%&*%^!!!! &^*********!!!!

P.S. about 3-4 hours or so lost for me, so don't think you are the worst case

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Only a few mins rolled back for me, i sold a couple items, before the event started and they are still gone.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

it was definitly a rollback. my unlucky title said 442155 and now after err7 is back @442148. i got those 7 points on grenth rings

geekling

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by angry_beaver
Just read someone lost 359 mins of drunkard title but not sure if that is true or not!
Not 359, but yep. Lost a solid hour or so of drunkard points racked up while waiting for the event to start. (Plus hat and pressies etc.)

European server LA district 5 if that matters.

Oh, and add me to the not happy crowd - if that needs to be said.

tinyterror

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

Surprised ANet haven't made a statement as yet. Usually very good at that - or maybe I've missed it?

Ahh, my question on rollback was answered as I posted it - Oh that SUCKS! so those who've stayed on for several hours instead of just jumping on for goodies actually get hit harder?!!? - nice one :/

Mr.Bimble

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

[ARSE] The Happy Campers

N/W

Its a shame when a sytsem crashes,but this does piss one off. You wait around for ages to get the hat in LA, and then nothing,what a waste of time.I really would like to know how and why I jumped from dist 30 to dist 5. And then it happens again in kamadan,wait wait wait and nothing again.

the_last_m_p

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinyterror
Surprised ANet haven't made a statement as yet. Usually very good at that - or maybe I've missed it?

Seems to be a lot of complaints in game at the minute of people losing the last events goodies too (8am GMT) - don't know how true it is - anyone here experienced it?
I stayed logged on from the previous (8 GMT) event, so yes, I lost everything. Back to pristine character

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

Wait for it. It's the small hours of the morning in the western US right now (4 am I believe).

Oukanna

Oukanna

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Ancient Shaolin Guardians

E/D

so some people managed to get 50 presents and others 0 :-(
Not quite fair, definatly need a redux xD

shadows of hob

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rocky (Dragon)Mountains

Mo/Me

Everybody in Kamadan lost his/her presents and hat last hour......

After everybody got about 120k ping and an error 7, Kamadan was full of people complaining.....

Way to go, Anet!

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

funny this, so many posts over the last 2 1/2 years of gw about lag outs at stuff like this, but for some reason, it never happens to me even when im in the place and time that you state.

I live in Wales, in the uk.

my highest ever ping 15,000 when on wireless on low signal.

Artisan Archer

Artisan Archer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Free Wind

R/

I got set back 2, but getting angry at ANet isn't going to work. I'm pretty sure they aren't very happy with this either...

captain_carter

captain_carter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

England

The X Viles [TXV]

R/

I only lost all the progress from Kamadan, I still had my Dwayna hat and presents from LA, maybe because I changed location and district I only lost about 5 minutes, or maybe my computer crashing just as ping reached 50,000 saved me.

angry_beaver

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

Well, one good thing from all this, I have the title for longest ping time, woohoo.

Shame it doesn't offset the disappointment from losing all those gifts and the fact that even with a redux, it will still leave those who got kicked out at a disadvantage. Those that didn't get kicked will be able to partake again.

Mr.Bimble

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

[ARSE] The Happy Campers

N/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
This was already explained by Gaile. If the district wasn't there when the event started, it won't happen there at all.
And where was this from?

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

I've been death-leveling for the past 19 hours and it has been uninterrupted. This must only affect present farmers in the big towns.

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
funny this, so many posts over the last 2 1/2 years of gw about lag outs at stuff like this, but for some reason, it never happens to me even when im in the place and time that you state.

I live in Wales, in the uk.

my highest ever ping 15,000 when on wireless on low signal.

Game ran perfectly, before the presents came.
However, my brother, who was on a lower district, was completely uneffected by this.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bimble
And where was this from?
Here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...47#post3494147

VinnyRidira

VinnyRidira

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ridirian Guides

W/Me

Totally unacceptable. I had 3 presents and a hat before I could log in again and now they are gone. Its like I was never in the event, I also lost the shards I won.
They rolled back my character, bugger that.

dan_dv

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Waited over an hour this morning (08:00 AM) in Lions Arch, and the Wintersday Grand Finale didn't run at all.
Tried again in Kamadan (11:00 AM). Event started and did manage to get a hat and a few presents before major lag and disconnect.
When i was able to login again, hat and presents were gone.
Dont know if theres any point to try a third time?

Mr.Bimble

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

[ARSE] The Happy Campers

N/W

I was waiting in a district(27) from the before the start of the event. With nothing happening after waiting for 15 or so minutes we suddenly found ourselves in another district,5 I think. I don't see the relevance of the statement.The problem seems to be europe wide though

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Minor advices for the next events you'll attend: remind people that stopping displaying minipets can ease the situation; avoid spamming commands, I used "; space" calmly during the mega-lag and got my 32 gifts even if it was hyper slow (you just have to wait patiently when the screen does not update).

The more we load the servers, the more we make everyone's problem worse and this gets back at us, because we all share the same servers.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

I doubt 20 minipets would affect it that much, I'd hazard a guess that the particle effect (or whatever it is) on the presents is a much heavier load.

Jhadur

Jhadur

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
This was already explained by Gaile. If the district wasn't there when the event started, it won't happen there at all.
When I got to Kamadan it was 14 mins past the hour and the district was nearly full of people and the event didnt happen at all. There were some poeple there that said they had been there since about 5 past the hour. So the district was definately there when the event should have started in kamadan at 15 mins past the hour.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Minor advices for the next events you'll attend: remind people that stopping displaying minipets can ease the situation; avoid spamming commands, I used "; space" calmly during the mega-lag and got my 32 gifts even if it was hyper slow (you just have to wait patiently when the screen does not update).

The more we load the servers, the more we make everyone's problem worse and this gets back at us, because we all share the same servers.
I was trying to pick up presents slowly just using next item and space but at a ping of 143k there's not much you can do. I then logged out (wasn't kicked) and when I got back on my presents that I had managed to get were gone and so was the hat.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
... (you just have to wait patiently when the screen does not update)...
Waited for 40(!!) minutes without an update! Last ping I saw was 197k!

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saraphim
I doubt 20 minipets would affect it that much, I'd hazard a guess that the particle effect (or whatever it is) on the presents is a much heavier load.
It simply is a matter of scale: 20 minipets means 20 basic AI to activate and allocate resources for them. It may not be great, but it's load to remove from the server. Any load removed is good! (during the event, I avoid speaking in chats, except for answering questions)

Same thing can be said of the nice PvP emotes, sparklers and other graphical bonuses. We should even all be naked

infite

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/W

Why cant the gifts just appear to inventory?

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Waited for 40(!!) minutes without an update! Last ping I saw was 197k!
I didn't have to wait too much and got a good 32 gifts (even collected one after the event was finished).

And the reason why I replied this way to your message is to try to show you that my advice was a general one. It's impossible to understand everyone's situation, but it's possible to stop looking only at my own situation.

Markaedw

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

Gratz are in order!!! The afkers and greifers have finally killed the game.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
It simply is a matter of scale: 20 minipets means 20 basic AI to activate and allocate resources for them. It may not be great, but it's load to remove from the server. Any load removed is good! (during the event, I avoid speaking in chats, except for answering questions)

Same thing can be said of the nice PvP emotes, sparklers and other graphical bonuses. We should even all be naked
Well yes, but as the lag spikes didn't get serious until after the presents started dropping (in Euro Eng Districts 1 and 5 at 8am and 11am respectively) I think it's fair to say they're the main culprit, yes?

So instead of dropping them on the floor - simple solution: drop them straight into your inventory instead.

The only negative aspect of that is that it prevents people from nabbing unassigned presents left lying around by AFKers, and removes a bit of the ambience of having gifts rain from the sky.

Personally I haven't experienced anything as extreme as some describe here.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saraphim
Well yes, but as the lag spikes didn't get serious until after the presents started dropping (in Euro Eng Districts 1 and 5 at 8am and 11am respectively) I think it's fair to say they're the main culprit, yes?
No, probably not. If you know how a server works, you'd understand that the problem may not be due to one very specific activity. If you load the server before the event, with 20 minis, lots of graphical this and that, then there's going to be a problem when suddenly the server has to generate about a hundred gifts.

I'm NOT saying it's the main culprit, I'm just saying it COULD help.

Quote:
So instead of dropping them on the floor - simple solution: drop them straight into your inventory instead.
Have no problem with that. Some will say we're lazy.

Quote:
removes a bit of the ambience of having gifts rain from the sky.
Agree too, I would prefer it to stay that way. I wonder whether last year's event had the same problem, maybe someone remembers?

allience

allience

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

omg stupid rollback! i my hat is gone and so are the presents. what a waste of time.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
I'm NOT saying it's the main culprit, I'm just saying it COULD help.
Or they could remove non essential wandering NPCs. You know that people would just gripe if they couldn't release 20 mini pets. Enough people already gripe if the limits been hit already.

Quote:
Agree too, I would prefer it to stay that way. I wonder whether last year's event had the same problem, maybe someone remembers?
Last years event had the problem that presents in Kamadan landed on the two ledges behind the rings. People couldn't retrieve them unless they got killed by the Grentches very close to them and re-spawned on the ledge. As such by the end of the day some districts had hundreds of them sitting up there sparkling away to their hearts content. Eventually someone from Anet spawned up there and picked them up.

They seem to have avoided that this year from what I've seen so far.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
... lots of graphical this and that,....
Servers are not affected by "graphical this and that", 100 gifts could be as little as what, 1k of memory? Possibly less. Laughable load.

Server does not have to care about gprahical apparance of item, client is there to do that. Having them compute particle effects and stuff like that would mean pretty bad programing (and waste of BW).

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Servers are not affected by "graphical this and that", 100 gifts could be as little as what, 1k of memory? Possibly less. Laughable load.
I was obviously talking about the graphics management, not the mesh and textures which are in your Gw.dat (though it's not obvious that ALL is there). With all the clutering and all people in the center ring, the server has to check a few things I guess.

Another problem being that GW districts are not servers, but probably virtual servers (and one or two hundreds of them if I'm not mistaken), which means that virtual memory swapping becomes a HUGE pain in case of physical and virtual load. Of course, I'm NOT Anet and could be very mistaken about what's happening.

I'm not trying to be smart here, rather useful (I'll even be happy to know the truth and admit I was wrong). So if you have a better idea, please state it!