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Originally Posted by Turgon Lei Kung
Ok. It's in milliseconds. It's a 32-bit signed integer. That's 31 working bits. (2^31-1)/(1000*60) is 35791 minutes and change.
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A.net just reset the Favour of European Server
garethporlest18
Malice Black
The math is coming out..mst b surius biznus
Aum
have we been exploited? 
now really. i ... am... kidding.
now really. i ... am... kidding.
Kusandaa
Aw but I liked doing the /favor command every now and seeing big numbers. I don't think I checked before going to bed, last thing I remember was 28k or so.
Turgon Lei Kung
Sorry
As mentioned earlier, sometimes computers cannot hold very large numbers unless they're specifically told to. This computer was told 'take the number of milliseconds of favor, and put it in a 31-bit integer'. 31-bit integer is technical speak for a number 2147483648. Take that number, divide it by 1000 for seconds, divide it by 60 for minutes, and that's the maximum number of minutes that can be stored.
As mentioned earlier, sometimes computers cannot hold very large numbers unless they're specifically told to. This computer was told 'take the number of milliseconds of favor, and put it in a 31-bit integer'. 31-bit integer is technical speak for a number 2147483648. Take that number, divide it by 1000 for seconds, divide it by 60 for minutes, and that's the maximum number of minutes that can be stored.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Turgon Lei Kung
Sorry
As mentioned earlier, sometimes computers cannot hold very large numbers unless they're specifically told to. This computer was told 'take the number of milliseconds of favor, and put it in a 31-bit integer'. 31-bit integer is technical speak for a number 2147483648. Take that number, divide it by 1000 for seconds, divide it by 60 for minutes, and that's the maximum number of minutes that can be stored. |
Big_Daddy
God damn, and there I was without a rush to go to the UW thinking we had almost a damn month worth of favor. 
That aside, I believe that Anet had to know that the entire GW community was going to max those 2 titles, that is 6 mins a pop!!!
I do believe it had to be on purpose, after all, they cannot have the UW open 24/7 for a month!!
That aside, I believe that Anet had to know that the entire GW community was going to max those 2 titles, that is 6 mins a pop!!!
I do believe it had to be on purpose, after all, they cannot have the UW open 24/7 for a month!!
Abedeus
Next time they should make a free UW/FoW week again. It's kind of a ripoff, since we weren't told that someone will reset favor at some point -.-
Aum
"someone" didn't reset it... the bucket used to store the number of minutes of favor "overflowed" because the computer incremented the value past the amount allowed in the bucket. Thus resetting or losing the "real" value of favor.
Antheus
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Originally Posted by Aum
"someone" didn't reset it... the bucket used to store the number of minutes of favor "overflowed" because the computer incremented the value past the amount allowed in the bucket. Thus resetting or losing the "real" value of favor.
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MirkoTeran
Really nice one! Favor killed by overflow.
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<A.Net> Buying Int64. PM with offers.
Silly Warrior
It was up to 18 days the last time I checked, but its ashame it reset. It will most likely get even higher by the end of Sunday and early Monday morning, we'll see.
Ma3x666
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Originally Posted by Turgon Lei Kung
Ok. It's in milliseconds. It's a 32-bit signed integer. That's 31 working bits. (2^31-1)/(1000*60) is 35791 minutes and change.
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If anyone can post a screenie with time over 35791, we will have to find a better theory
But it's highly unlikely that they would manually reset the time just at int32 upper bound.
zwei2stein
ah, so its 32bit int and miliseconds instead of 16bit int and minutes, that makes a lot more sense actually.
Heh, funny thing is fix for this "bug" takes few seconds (literaly) while it undid 7000 title donations of players which probably took them about hundred thoudand hours of collective playtime.)
Heh, funny thing is fix for this "bug" takes few seconds (literaly) while it undid 7000 title donations of players which probably took them about hundred thoudand hours of collective playtime.)
moko
i duped favor and they banned it
sorry
sorry
shoyon456
Anet should give us back all the favor time we EARNED. They should have realized the consequences of a weekend such as this and prepared accordingly.
Also, anet wanted to change the favor system to the retarded title-pve based way it is now, they should live with the fact that it was NOT A GOOD IDEA. Give us back the month of favor we earned imo, and since QQ'ing seems to work now, i WILL NOT let this injustice rest until favor is linked to HA again or we get back our 25+ days of favor!
Also, anet wanted to change the favor system to the retarded title-pve based way it is now, they should live with the fact that it was NOT A GOOD IDEA. Give us back the month of favor we earned imo, and since QQ'ing seems to work now, i WILL NOT let this injustice rest until favor is linked to HA again or we get back our 25+ days of favor!
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i duped favor and they banned it
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Kayelyyb
we lost favor to a mathmatical problem? what is anet using a comodore64 for it's server system ?????
Chicken Ftw
Who cares? It's already back at 7k. Besides, did you really need the ability to farm UW/FoW 24/7 for a month?
English Warrior
FFS why reset it when they should have known this would happen when 2 titles have double points!?!
Kayelyyb
It has nothing to do with IF we need to..... but fact the favor was earned by those hard working guys maxing the titles and anet just spit in their face and said we know we said we would hand out favor based on titles but it is our game and we can change the rules anytime we wish and there is nothing you can do about it. personally i don't understand this whole math thing it has place for 5 digits so let favor build up to 99999 then reset if it has to reset.
Rygar_UK
We can see the problem. Now for a possible solution:-
Reduce the number of minutes of favor extended from 3 to 2 (permanently),and possibly 1, when we have weekends like this.
That's fair, innit?
IGN: Rygar UK
VSUK Rocks
Reduce the number of minutes of favor extended from 3 to 2 (permanently),and possibly 1, when we have weekends like this.
That's fair, innit?
IGN: Rygar UK
VSUK Rocks
Selket
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i duped favor and they banned it
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you can't get banned, noooooooooooooooo
the pretender
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
last time i checked, favor was about 32k minutes.
My guess is that someone at anet needs to learn difference between *int* and *long* and how cool is to use later one. |
Kashrlyyk
They should just store it in minutes not milliseconds. We get 1 hour and then +3 minutes everytime someone maxes a title.
Aera
I don't see the problem.
If you want to go to UW, move to the European servers?
If you want to go to UW, move to the European servers?
ThisSuddenInjury
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
last time i checked, favor was about 32k minutes.
My guess is that someone at anet needs to learn difference between *int* and *long* and how cool is to use later one. |
BenjZee
omg i get it yey
Integer and long are data types used in programming. integer for whole number long is used when values will be long...lol
Integer and long are data types used in programming. integer for whole number long is used when values will be long...lol
I pwnd U
Seems they have reset it several times according to one of my guildies. o.O Apparently they don't want us to have favor for that long.
Big_Daddy
Another way for THE MAN to keep us down!!!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
Longasc
Overflow!
If it is (2^31-1)/(1000*60) is 35791 minutes and change or 2^15 or whatever people posted.
The fact is that 3 weeks of favor got lost (~23 days).
I did not like the new title-grind based system from day one, it was a bad replacement for an even worse system.
Time to fix this not really good solution so that it is at least not failing like it just did!
If it is (2^31-1)/(1000*60) is 35791 minutes and change or 2^15 or whatever people posted.
The fact is that 3 weeks of favor got lost (~23 days).
I did not like the new title-grind based system from day one, it was a bad replacement for an even worse system.
Time to fix this not really good solution so that it is at least not failing like it just did!
Malice Black
iz teh guvermunt!!1 dey mad em do it!
Does it really matter? 8k+ and counting. Not like FoW/UW mean shit anymore. If it wasn't for shards and ecto those areas would be dead.
Does it really matter? 8k+ and counting. Not like FoW/UW mean shit anymore. If it wasn't for shards and ecto those areas would be dead.
tanis616
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
iz teh guvermunt!!1 dey mad em do it!
Does it really matter? 8k+ and counting. Not like FoW/UW mean shit anymore. If it wasn't for shards and ecto those areas would be dead. |
MagmaRed
I like how everyone QQs over this, speculates on what happened, and yet we know NOTHING official yet. It doesn't really matter. If we lost an entire month of Favor, do you really think it will take long to get favor long enough to do UW/FOW anyway? When was the last time we didn't have favor for an extended period of time? The new system works in a way that allows us to have favor virtually non-stop. When we lose it, it isn't lost for long.
I'm glad people think they know what happened. But it doesn't matter what happened. If it was intentional or not, it doesn't matter. If it was a bug, it didn't ruin anything anyone was doing.
I'm glad people think they know what happened. But it doesn't matter what happened. If it was intentional or not, it doesn't matter. If it was a bug, it didn't ruin anything anyone was doing.
cosyfiep
its the weekend, no one is working at anet, wait until monday and, uhm, monday is a holiday....so wait until tuesday and then we might get a reply.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I like how everyone QQs over this, speculates on what happened, and yet we know NOTHING official yet. It doesn't really matter. If we lost an entire month of Favor, do you really think it will take long to get favor long enough to do UW/FOW anyway? When was the last time we didn't have favor for an extended period of time? The new system works in a way that allows us to have favor virtually non-stop. When we lose it, it isn't lost for long.
I'm glad people think they know what happened. But it doesn't matter what happened. If it was intentional or not, it doesn't matter. If it was a bug, it didn't ruin anything anyone was doing. |
This event removed a lot of undone titles that could have fueled steady favor for better half of year, it also removed big favor burst that was making up for that.
So yes, it will take longer to get favor.
Also, it if was intentional or not matters. A lot. Luckily, it seems to be bug, otherwise anet is in big QQ trouble.
Freke
I dont see why everybody cares so much for losing favor. We have it most of the time anyways, but you arrogant people cant stand not having it just most of the time. And these people earning their titles? They don't care at ALL about 3 minutes of favor- they care about maxing titles so that they get an even elite-ier tier on the Maxed Title track. It's the d-bags sitting in the Temple of Ages that whine so much about being unable to farm ectos straight for 23 days. QQ moar, kthxbai.
MagmaRed
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Favor "up time" was continuously decreasing as more and more people are done with their titles for HoM (as predicted by people who didnt like this idea). You might have noticed that instead of few minutes of wait it was couple of hours of wait lately.
This event removed a lot of undone titles that could have fueled steady favor for better half of year, it also removed big favor burst that was making up for that. So yes, it will take longer to get favor. Also, it if was intentional or not matters. A lot. Luckily, it seems to be bug, otherwise anet is in big QQ trouble. |
If people start maxing titles on their other characters, favor will pop back to a frequent status.
I play about 4 hours a day, 7 days a week. I have 13 characters still with titles I can and want to max. Someone who plays 3-4 hours a week will still have plenty of options for titles to max.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I have 13 characters. I know I have more than the 'average' player, but even the 'average' player will have 3-4 characters. How many people have GWAMM on even 1 character? How many people have Kind of a Big Deal on more than 1 character?
If people start maxing titles on their other characters, favor will pop back to a frequent status. I play about 4 hours a day, 7 days a week. I have 13 characters still with titles I can and want to max. Someone who plays 3-4 hours a week will still have plenty of options for titles to max. |
do YOU plan to have GWAMM on several characres?
do YOU plan to get even KOABDs on several characters?
I know I don't plan either of those thing. There is no point in maxing titles on secondary characters, even if you are spread-attention-to-all-of-em type of player like i am (10 chars).
bakaboiya
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I have 13 characters. I know I have more than the 'average' player, but even the 'average' player will have 3-4 characters. How many people have GWAMM on even 1 character? How many people have Kind of a Big Deal on more than 1 character?
If people start maxing titles on their other characters, favor will pop back to a frequent status. I play about 4 hours a day, 7 days a week. I have 13 characters still with titles I can and want to max. Someone who plays 3-4 hours a week will still have plenty of options for titles to max. |