post what you found in gwdat!

Sha Noran

Sha Noran

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq

Idiot Savants [iQ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Re-use is the name of the game these days. It's simply impossible to make a financially viable game without it.
Lol, financially viable. Keep in mind this is Guild Wars, and the only reason we're going to GW2 instead of Utopia is because the current business plan isn't financially viable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seef II
Does anyone recall when the Canthan Hand Axe skin was implemented? Was it with the Totem Axe update? What about the Jade Sword? Looks like some weapons never got implemented. Odd that The Ugly Stick's in the middle of it, I don't recall it being missing at Factions release.
Code:
 Hand Axe
Totem Axe
Soulkeeper Axe
Urgoz's Longbow
Darkwing Hornbow
Darkwing Recurve Bow
Darkwing Shortbow
Fan of Sighs
Shard Hammer
[proper]The Ugly Stick
Ominous Aegis
Howling Shield
Shadow Web Shield
Lotus Staff
Jade Sword
It's things like this that really kill me, personally. Why are these items all listed in the .dat if only a small portion of them were actually implemented? And why are they listed together if they weren't released together?

IIRC, the Canthan Hand Axe and the Jade Sword were in a completely different update than the Totem Axe... and the Totem Axe was released at the same time as a variety of Green fans, but none of them are called the Fan of Sighs. As for the "[proper]The Ugly Stick", it could be that this was notation of the release of The Ugly Stick's skin as an independent drop, because I'm absolutely sure that the Green had a unique skin for a while before it spontaneously appeared as a drop otherwise some months after Factions release.

Also, the Darkwing bows here cannot be correspondent to Ironwing bows, because there are only Irongwing Flatbows and Ironwing Longbows, no Recurves, no Shorts, and no Horns.

Now it could be argued that this list is outdated and that the names were changed on skins that were later released, i.e. the Shard Hammer could have become The Icebreaker that we know today, but I would say that some of those skin names have 0% compatibility with any skins I can think of. What could a "Shadow Web Shield" even be?

All of that said, I would encourage everyone getting a raging boner over random shit they find in a game's .dat file to please take a breath, and not be disappointed if they never get anything they now are "expecting". The information about a Xunlai Market sounds like it has legitimate potential, as do a few other select things that have been suggested, but keep in mind that all of this information is coming from the same place as tiny pictures of Trogdor and strange composite pictures of some ANet employee's ranch house.

EDIT: I don't mean to be entirely discouraging. This thread is certainly interesting, and digging through the .dat has found things in the past (notably, of course, the Polar Bear). I would just hope to curtail a small percentage of the "wahhh where's the Xunlai Market??!!?" threads that will be showing up from now until forever.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Myaka
Looks like the animations on the "alter" floor in Hells Precipice, too me.
Its the decoration on the bloodstone. (when you do gain Olias, look for it)

MoriaOrc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Arena Net File Format. ANFF = FFNA (little/big endian encoding)

It's proprietary format for storing anything, some can be scanned as text, others are encrypted, etc... There's not much to do with those, hex editor is your best bet.
Ah, cool, thanks for the info. Even less doable then I'd imagined. Move that from "Completely Unrealistic" to "Never".

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
Its the decoration on the bloodstone. (when you do gain Olias, look for it)
It is ALSO the floor in Hell's Precipice.

gil0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

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Whit what program you open the GW.dati found a program but it had no .exe file and i didn`t know what to do whit it.

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
No it's not.

Amoon Oasis is this:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/7/7...noon_Oasis.jpg

Just look at the sky.

- It may be an isle.
- It must be in Kryta, the Battle isles or the Sea of Sorrows.
Is it Lion's Gate?

[riVen]

[riVen]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar
Is it Lion's Gate?
No.

(12chars)

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar
Is it Lion's Gate?
Read again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Amoon Oasis is this:
I have stronger and strnger reasons to believe that if they add the Xunlai Market, it would be in the Battle Isles.

TimTimTimma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Indianapolis

krazy Guild with Krazzzzy People [krzy]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Read again.


I have stronger and strnger reasons to believe that if they add the Xunlai Market, it would be in the Battle Isles.
Would be a good way to get PvE players over to the battle isles, I mean suppose after you post your stuff you get curious about the islands and explore and discover u enjoy pvp. :-)

Free Runner

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I have stronger and strnger reasons to believe that if they add the Xunlai Market, it would be in the Battle Isles.
Code:
Marketplace
A large market where people from different parts of the world come together to trade their goods.
You must own Guild Wars Prophecies to purchase this upgrade.
I would guess it is on the Battle Ilse due to the "from different parts of the world".

Also from Gaile:

Quote:
Ok, having tidily merged this, I can tell you that ol' DAT file has a ton of stuff, from last year, this year, four years ago, three offices prior, a staff member's moving sale, somebody's gerbil's birth announcement, and more. Nothing really to say. *shrug* -- Gaile 01:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[riVen]

[riVen]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Hmm, it doesn't make sense for them to knowingly leave traces of an auction house-like system in the DAT file (which they know people browse through all the time very well), considering the many discussions that have been had on the subject in the past.

If I were A-net and I weren't planning on adding an auction house-like system to GW1, I would make sure to not leave data like this lying around, as to not fire up the discussion (and inevitably, pissed off and disappointed people) yet again.

But then again, maybe they are that careless.

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile
Somebody's gerbil's birth announcement
Why the crap would they put that in the .dat?

Antitorgo

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Duty

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seef II
Does anyone recall when the Canthan Hand Axe skin was implemented? Was it with the Totem Axe update? What about the Jade Sword? Looks like some weapons never got implemented. Odd that The Ugly Stick's in the middle of it, I don't recall it being missing at Factions release.
Code:
 Hand Axe
Totem Axe
Soulkeeper Axe
Urgoz's Longbow
Darkwing Hornbow
Darkwing Recurve Bow
Darkwing Shortbow
Fan of Sighs
Shard Hammer
[proper]The Ugly Stick
Ominous Aegis
Howling Shield
Shadow Web Shield
Lotus Staff
Jade Sword
Found those many moons ago looking for new skins once the Jade Sword made it's appearance. I'm pretty sure though, that they are legacy names from the way-back machine.

Actually, if you notice, the names of all the weapons don't exist in the text file, so either I mis-coded something somewhere and missed them, or they are done server-side now. As to why some appear and not others might have to do with when they were coded or else whether they are available as bonus items or something... I'm not quite sure.

Seef II

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

Quote:
Most people use the GWdatbrowser... maybe they should put the #ID of the item that had them... everyone should put the #IDs...
ID numbers differ from installation to installation. Someone who began at NF and went back to buy Factions and then Prophecies will have a wildly different dat than someone who bought only the Prophecies + EotN combo. Yes, even after imaging.

Quote:
I'm not asking how to navigate the GWdatbrowser or how to look at the pics, I know how to do that, but people post random strings that they happen to find that I have no clue where they found them. None of them have posted how they find them, but they just post them, and is in fact most of the basis of the existence of the Marketplace. I just want to see it for myself.

And btw, instead of being a jerk, if someone did post how to find it, you could have just said so.

EDIT: After a quick runthrough of the thread, I didn't see anything that answers my question (considering that I have been reading this thread somewhat regularly, I didn't think I would find anything...)
My dat's different than your dat, anyway. I can't tell you where I found it because of that simple fact. If you -image after every patch, and have been doing so since about Eye of the North's release, you should find mention of certain event quests and marketplace strings in a bunch of "unknown" text files at the end.

Burden of proof's on you if you know how to do it all already. Because I might have changed stuff, y'know. I will tell the other people how I found the stuff.
Method of finding stuff:
  1. Open GWDatBrowser and let it process your dat.
  2. Sort by type or by ID# (whatever pushes your buttons). You will be most interested in anything not an FFNA, most likely, until someone figures out how those work.
  3. Select a file of interest
  4. Extract it by right-clicking and dumping it where you please. You'll have to save "Unknowns" as RAWs because the filetype is, well, unknown

If it's an "unknown" text file, e.g., for skill descriptions, it's quite well and possible to read it in GWDatBrowser. But it's easier on the eyes to clean them up.
  1. Rename the .raw to .txt
  2. Get a hex editor and open the txt file. This is the same view as GWDatBrowser, except you can actually change stuff.
  3. Notice that between every letter in the string, there's a null character. Replace all hex strings of "00" to (blank) to get rid of them.
  4. Now, everything is jumbled up. But hope's not lost. Replace all hex "10" with "0D" to put line breaks in with the stuff. You end up with something that looks like this - it's easily readable by you and your favorite text editor:

(Click to enlarge. I use a more up-to-date version of GWDatBrowser personally, but it's not in English.)

Ravious

Ravious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Servants of Fortuna

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antitorgo

People asking for a way to decode FFNA files -- you can't, the information in there appears to be a mechanism for doing lookups within the DAT file itself. (Like a FAT table or something similar to it)
So does that mean no model viewer?

TimTimTimma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Indianapolis

krazy Guild with Krazzzzy People [krzy]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seef II
ID numbers differ from installation to installation. Someone who began at NF and went back to buy Factions and then Prophecies will have a wildly different dat than someone who bought only the Prophecies + EotN combo. Yes, even after imaging.


My dat's different than your dat, anyway. I can't tell you where I found it because of that simple fact. If you -image after every patch, and have been doing so since about Eye of the North's release, you should find mention of certain event quests and marketplace strings in a bunch of "unknown" text files at the end.

Burden of proof's on you if you know how to do it all already. Because I might have changed stuff, y'know. I will tell the other people how I found the stuff.
Method of finding stuff:
  1. Open GWDatBrowser and let it process your dat.
  2. Sort by type or by ID# (whatever pushes your buttons). You will be most interested in anything not an FFNA, most likely, until someone figures out how those work.
  3. Select a file of interest
  4. Extract it by right-clicking and dumping it where you please. You'll have to save "Unknowns" as RAWs because the filetype is, well, unknown

If it's an "unknown" text file, e.g., for skill descriptions, it's quite well and possible to read it in GWDatBrowser. But it's easier on the eyes to clean them up.
  1. Rename the .raw to .txt
  2. Get a hex editor and open the txt file. This is the same view as GWDatBrowser, except you can actually change stuff.
  3. Notice that between every letter in the string, there's a null character. Replace all hex strings of "00" to (blank) to get rid of them.
  4. Now, everything is jumbled up. But hope's not lost. Replace all hex "10" with "0D" to put line breaks in with the stuff. You end up with something that looks like this - it's easily readable by you and your favorite text editor:

(Click to enlarge. I use a more up-to-date version of GWDatBrowser personally, but it's not in English.)
What hex editor do you use?

dread pirate fargus

dread pirate fargus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

in bed

X Peace And Love X [PaL]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sha Noran
Now it could be argued that this list is outdated and that the names were changed on skins that were later released, i.e. the Shard Hammer could have become The Icebreaker that we know today, but I would say that some of those skin names have 0% compatibility with any skins I can think of. What could a "Shadow Web Shield" even be?
Forgotten shield?

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus
Or possibly the non green version? oooo would be nice to have that

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

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The Update today was to big just to be Skill and bug updates, Weapon Design winners? Anyone wanna do some digging.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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I agree with Kerwyn. Start comparing your preupdate to postupdate .dats and tell us what is new. There were definately some stealth updates. Hopefully it wasn't just all online store changes.

Antitorgo

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Duty

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
I agree with Kerwyn. Start comparing your preupdate to postupdate .dats and tell us what is new. There were definately some stealth updates. Hopefully it wasn't just all online store changes.
Text-wise? Not much, looked like it was mostly some housekeeping. Pretty sure some new textures got added, but I haven't been keeping track of those... Gives me an idea tho.

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

How many different GWDatBrowsers are out there actually?


Because mine is rather clumsy - I basically click randomly on things and see a preview window or text pop up. Not really possible to find new stuff with this method.

Seef II

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

There's an English one dated May 29 2007 or thereabouts. I use a Spanish? (I think, I'm pretty ignorant of European languages) one dated sometime in July that's a little better at previewing stuff. The English one's easily obtainable with even minimal Google-fu, and is good enough.

[edit] To find stuff, Longasc, new files tend to be appended to the end of the dat - that's where all of my BMP item icons are, for instance. It helps to -image religiously after every patch. Text updates get mashed in anywhere, I've found Nightfall stuff as early as file #32000 in my dat.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc
How many different GWDatBrowsers are out there actually?


Because mine is rather clumsy - I basically click randomly on things and see a preview window or text pop up. Not really possible to find new stuff with this method.
All I can say is that if you google the names of the 'creators' (Irina, BoyC and Blackdragon) you get to here:
http://forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.ph...22c8dd56e6d2a4
(I apologice if I can't post this link, I've seen nothing agaist it in the rules)

Irina made the GUI, and BoyC and Blackdragon the code to 'read' the gw.dat.

It seems that the last version has a problem reading the Windows Registry in some computers, though...

IrinaBertram

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ashes of Humanity

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc
How many different GWDatBrowsers are out there actually?


Because mine is rather clumsy - I basically click randomly on things and see a preview window or text pop up. Not really possible to find new stuff with this method.
There really should be only 1 version of it (at http://www.raechaer.de/GWDat_002.zip) since I asked people not to distribute modified versions of it without notifying me.

And yes, it is kinda clumsy, because there isn't really any structure in the GW.dat (at least as far as we know) and the GWDatBrowser is more or less just a proof of concept, it never was meant as an application for the regular GW players.

CassiusDrehyg

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

LFGuild

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaern Majes
Not sure if anyone else posted it but it looks a lot like Nundu Bay to me.
That, my friend, is the original incarnation of RA, back before the Battle Isles were introduced into the game.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg
That, my friend, is the original incarnation of RA, back before the Battle Isles were introduced into the game.
No it isn't. I know what the old RA looked like and that's not it.



Does not look like any part of,

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Yah, you can see a boat, too.

But where's the small isle? And the brownish terrain?
I've been looking in all the Outpost pictures of Kryta, maguuma, Kourna and the Battle isles in the wiki.

Nothing.

That thing must be either very old or very new.

sanderevers

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2007

It is there, in the sea near Lion's Arch.

Hunmassiv

Hunmassiv

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2007

Hungary

Guardians of the Stars [GOTS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/D%27Alessio_Arena

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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XDD We are talking about the Outpost description picture, not the mission map picture, XDD

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc
How many different GWDatBrowsers are out there actually?


Because mine is rather clumsy - I basically click randomly on things and see a preview window or text pop up. Not really possible to find new stuff with this method.
Since it comes with source, anyone can compile their own version.

Hole Sale Traps

Hole Sale Traps

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

TCI The Crimson Invasion

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Interesting. That "Last Stand" skill in the uncatagorical section seems to be what kicks in whenever a mission is completed and right before the cutscene loads (so you don't die right after beating the mission, but before it technically "ends").

"Headshot!" Shout. For 0...0...0 seconds, the next attack by each nearby ally is a critical hit. (Nightfall)

Lawl

aus36

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2007

Black Nova Freelance Assoc [BNFA]

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I had an old gw.dat on my work computer that i was taking a look at just now where i found this image.


These are all the icons for the guild services. That second one to the right on the top row - doesn't it kind of resemble a Vault door? Total conjecture here, but perhaps guild storage was closer than we thought?

But at the same time, there's no festival hat maker, emblemer or ambassador (which were added on December 7th) so this is a probably obsolete image. It looks like it may be an icon for a feature that was once considered, art was drawn up for it, and then it was not brought live when they couldn't make it work properly.

aus

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

rutrow, here comes the claws.

I would definitely be interested in having a version of the dat that does the dump and compare like Antigorgo(?sp sorry if i butchered) has. As digging through it blindly is a bit tedious.

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
Thank you for posting where I got the image from... Try reading my post next time.
lol you should have probably clarified that was the outpost for RA long ago. before it was called RA. and your right, that picture is NOT of the old RA outpost. it didn't look like that.

Shawn The Divine

Shawn The Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Nova Scotia

My Other Healer Is Lvl Eighty

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xx_Sorin_xX
lol you should have probably clarified that was the outpost for RA long ago. before it was called RA. and your right, that picture is NOT of the old RA outpost. it didn't look like that.
It was called Competition Arenas, and yes that picture IS of the old outpost. To be specific the upper left section of that picture is the outpost.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by stretchs
I would definitely be interested in having a version of the dat that does the dump and compare like Antigorgo(?sp sorry if i butchered) has. As digging through it blindly is a bit tedious.
Here's the problem - the version someone sends to you could be keylogger.

GWDatBrowser comes with source. As such, whatever someone compiles and provides in exe form can be anything. Keylogger, trojan, you name it.

This is why people *should* be reluctant to accept it in compiled form.

Free Runner

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine
It was called Competition Arenas, and yes that picture IS of the old outpost. To be specific the upper left section of that picture is the outpost.
That thing in the upper left section is the boat. That picture is not from any part of the CA island. All it had was a small beach, a boat and a pond with a shark creature swimming around.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Runner
That thing in the upper left section is the boat. That picture is not from any part of the CA island. All it had was a small beach, a boat and a pond with a shark creature swimming around.
The outpost part of that map is the top left part : the boat and the land just infront of it. Then there's a small "river" seperating it from the actual arena, where the fights were held (which is still one of the maps in rotation).

The old Competition Outpost and the arena map are one and the same. Actually, way back, every arena had it's own outpost and purpose. Was something like :
Ascalon Arena: 4v4 random arena
Shiverpeak Arena: 4v4 random arena
D'Alessio Arena: 6v6 random arena
Fort Koga : 4v4 random arena
Amnoon Arena: 6v6 team arena
Deldrimor Arena: 4v4 team arena


later on they just merged the bunch of maps into competition arena and kept drok's as team arena